It's sad, I know, but the school's one of the best in Jerusalem, and it's religious (otherwise my grandmother would drop dead). There certainly are the good sides, but there are also the bad sides and the problems with such circumstances.
One of them is the inter-sexual social situation. Not being fully exposed to a bi-sexual environment, I do get psychologically developed in a different way, and that I must stop.
The fist step in constructing a relationship is empathy.
So I need common grounds with virtually any woman. As it's happening now (according to stereotype, that are statistically true were I live and interact), women are centred around clothes, cellphones and hair.
Clothes I have; but since they are constructed differently and I am hopeless in fashion. That is something I can't really help.
My cellphone was stolen.
Hair I have; and though it has little in common with women's hair, it's got more in common than clothes.
So I have to choose between the three. Hair is what I have to learn more about in order to empathise with women and not be left in totally different worlds. Proposition:
quote: Do I now have the longest hair on Hatrack???
Several women's threads about hair have been posted on Hatrack, and some wanted a hair contest.
Since I need to learn more and empathise (and Raia can guarantee I've tried to overcome my typical criticism of women and their hair), I propose that this contest be done, and I'll judge (as practice for my empathic plan).
Procedure:
Every female between the ages of 5 and 95 (and Bob_Scopatz, if too persistent, nya!) may enter a photo (or more) with her hair down - as much as possible of it seen. Rough dates or times are necessary to be mentioned, and any information of trims or haircuts is to be added. Moreover, one can add info of friends and their photos (not that there should be any reason, but just to cover the legal holes), and inform the appropriate information as well.
The results will be announced by me, and thy have absolutely no purpose aside from trying to make you females compete again for prestige (based on the quote that "long hair is hot", again - Bob_Scopatz), and I gain some empathic feelings regarding these weird strands that our head produces.
Request:
Who's in, so I can become a more empathic person, which is Hatrack's aim?
[ April 02, 2005, 10:11 AM: Message edited by: Jonathan Howard ]
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
Um...wow.
-Trevor
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
I don't see the connection.
Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
Between?
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
OK, this made me giggle. Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
Conventional psychology does not apply to me.
Do I really have to paraphrase? I don't have the energy.
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Between pictures of women with hair (as opposed to bald women, I suppose), empathy, and your ability/inability to have relationships with females. Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
Remember,
quote: Conventional psychology does not apply to me.
Seeing the pictures and judging will give me a bit of an understanding, and hopefully a type of empathy. Heck, if men go wild over women's hair, there must be something about it, no?
I believe that this unconventional method will bring me to empathy, hopefully sympathy. Then, having a more extensive base of women-psychology understanding and a base for discussion, I will be a more understanding person about women, and less ignorant.
I scored as an "empathic male" on the personality test that was posted here. According to BBC, women are more empathic than men, and I am rather empathic for a man. Why not widen that span?
I'm not paraphrasing again!
JH
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
He has a hair fetish. This is just a ploy for him to be able to see lots of luscious, silken, Jatraquera locks. Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
quote: He has a hair fetish. This is just a ploy for him to be able to see lots of luscious, silken, Jatraquera locks.
First off, no.
Secondly, I can check out other women anywhere on the Web.
Thirdly, where did you get that from?!
Posted by jebus202 (Member # 2524) on :
On a related note I will be having a breasts and legs judging competition.
Only those with nice breasts and/or legs need apply.
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
Because that just seems a little...odd. And in a vaguely disturbing manner, just a little invasive as well.
-Trevor
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
Maybe from the fact that you're basically doing an elaborate version of, "sendz me all ur picz so I cn tell if u r hawt." Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
There are erotica sites for that. So that really isn't a claim. Why else would I post it here?
Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
Well, you've seen my picture (and met me in person), and I'm lazy, but I can definitely vouch for you as having tried to overcome your hair preconceptions.
The thread made me giggle too.
Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
So who are you in favour of, the truth (me), or those few with their conspiracies?
Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
Generally speaking, just in this thread, or with relation to women's hair?
Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
All. Just to make sure.
Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
Uhhh...
Is this a trick question?
Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
No, just as long as you don't post a trick answer.
Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
I... um... agree with everyone. Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
So I'm now being cirled in by everyone?
Posted by James Tiberius Kirk (Member # 2832) on :
Niiiiiiiice.
--j_k
Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
No, I meant you too. I agree with literally everyone.
Like that joke about the rabbi, with "culam tzodkim."
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
*grabs 14-inch knife and begins to stalk JH* Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
I'm sure there's someone on this board who doesn't think this thread amazingly suspect.
-Trevor
Posted by jebus202 (Member # 2524) on :
quote: Like that joke about the rabbi, with "culam tzodkim."
Oh yea, that one.
Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
quote: *grabs 14-inch knife and begins to stalk JH*
Why, ketch?
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
quote: Thirdly, where did you get that from?!
Hon, it was a complete joke.
I am amused at your "quest" though. I also don't get how looking at a bunch of hair will help you to get along with women better.
Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
quote: Hon, it was a complete joke.
The question is, are you just saying that to make me feel better and calm me down, while you're secretly e-mailing everyone with a member number of #1 to #7600 (except for #6934) and all others on your contact lists in order to warn them of Jonathan Howard and his secret sexual addiction to long-haired women?
Because, let me tell you: that is unacceptable!
As for your second question - it's the best thing I thought of, and the explanation is above. If you have a better suggestion (I tried all conventional ones), I'd be more than glad to hear it.
JH
Posted by Olivetta (Member # 6456) on :
*blink*
Same planet, different worlds.
*backs out of thread, slowly*
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
See, there are sites on the web that profile long hair, too. You can have all the pictures of women's long hair that you want. E.g., The Long Hair Site and Longhairlovers.com. Persons with long hair can find excellent recommendations there for products and accessories.
Okay, now I feel like a pimp.
Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
And I feel like a woman!
Sorry, I should stop being so snarky!
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
Just please don't send me your therapy bill. *grin
Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
Thera...what?
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
"Speak, woman, and enter."
Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
Ahem!
quote: Speak, friend, and enter.
Don't mess with LOTR!
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I'm a sucker for girls with long hair, especially long curly hair. Mostly becuase my ex girlfriend had long curly beautiful brown hair that reached down to the small of her back, and when she straightened it, it went beneath her thighs.
Not necesarily a fetish, more like a preference.
Then again, I'm not seeking out photos of every longhaired girl on Hatrack...
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
Ah well, you know what they say - hair today, gone tomorrow.
I'm just amazed he has the patience to comb through all the pictures.
I've heard that one person's body is another person's temple, but isn't this taking it a little too literally.
But I'm sure I should just cut this short before anyone wigs out.
-Trevor
Posted by Khavanon (Member # 929) on :
*Butting my unwelcome man-ness into the conversation*
quote: The fist step in constructing a relationship is empathy.
So I need common grounds with virtually any woman. As it's happening now (according to stereotype, that are statistically true were I live and interact), women are centred around clothes, cellphones and hair.
She might as well know cars, video games, and sports (which she might, depending on the woman). The truth is, you're going to adjust unconsciously. No matter what you know, you're going to have to develop a social part of you that's not knowledge and words. You have little control over this directly. You have to be interesting and fun, and that only comes with experience. You could be the guru on hair and geek it up. Chances are, if you're fun with guys, you can be fun with girls, too (Note the phrase chances are).
Enough of my idiot man-speak *shuffles out under heavy fire.*
Posted by Beren One Hand (Member # 3403) on :
quote:and thy have absolutely no purpose aside from trying to make you females compete again for prestige
I'm not weirded out by the focus on hair. But I don't think you can relate to women by running a contest to judge them by their appearance.
Perhaps a better tactic is to ask women to share stories of why/if they view hair differently than men do.
Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
Hey, BOH, the women started the competition.
Interestingly enough, not one didn't start by questioning my motives (except those who left the thread).
Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
quote: Perhaps a better tactic is to ask women to share stories of why/if they view hair differently than men do.
The sequel to "War and Peace": "Men and Women."
Posted by Beren One Hand (Member # 3403) on :
Oh, they're just teasing you.
There are lots of great hair stories out there. Just ask Galadriel. Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
Edit: Remember, Jonny, "Actress" is with a double "s".
[ April 02, 2005, 10:30 PM: Message edited by: Jonathan Howard ]
Posted by Beren One Hand (Member # 3403) on :
No wonder she didn't care giving away her hair to a dwarf!
"...it shall be set in imperishable crystal to be an heirloom of my house"
Gimli is a sucker. Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
Gimly has enough of a beard himself.
Posted by Beren One Hand (Member # 3403) on :
Your thread brought a smile to my face because it reminded me of the daily sideburn report.
Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
I've got a picture of female anatomy with long sideburns, it looks like an ultra-Orthodox Jewish female-anatomy.
Where should I upoload it for you to see?
JH
Posted by Beren One Hand (Member # 3403) on :
I sure hope that's not the subject of your new website. Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
You'll need a password for the Secret Section, provided you have a complete Intelligence-style psychological diagnosis; you (both physically and on the net) and your computer actions will be monitored at all times while on the Secret Section - by armed military.
If you can provide money for that - OK.
[ April 02, 2005, 11:04 PM: Message edited by: Jonathan Howard ]
Posted by Morbo (Member # 5309) on :
Good luck on that empathy, Jonathon. It's not easy to develop, and judging photos won't help.
Spider Robinson says, "The first thing you realize when you discover true empathy is that your brothers and sisters are starving to death. And that hurts."
Or, in this case, growing their hair and refusing to share.
If you want to develop empathy, Jonathon, try to figure out why they are reluctant to share photos on this thread.
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
quote: If you want to develop empathy, Jonathon, try to figure out why they are reluctant to share photos on this thread.
Very, very keen, Morbo. Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
Hm... Fetish Conspiracy(TM)?
Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
Na, not that.
But, maybe it's because they think that it's either ineffective, or that there are better places to acquire empathy?
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
What? I'm not involved in a Fetish Conspiracy.
-Trevor
Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
Wrong smiley. So what's your belief?
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
There is something about a guy asking a bunch of girls for photos--any photos, that is creepy.
Empathize with that. Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
It does sound quite outrageous... Come to think about it...
*Contemplates thought.*
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Tip: You'd do far better to read threads that discuss female-perspective topics. Ask questions if you have them. Listen carefully. I think you will learn a lot that way.
Posted by Space Opera (Member # 6504) on :
I am so confused. You're trying to develop empathy and understanding for me, as a woman, by looking at a picture of my hair?
space opera
Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
Not precisely, and I'm not paraphrasing...
Posted by Space Opera (Member # 6504) on :
Wow. So basically you've created a very long confusing intial post that you don't wish to clarify. You're going on my top 10 weirdo list now. Listen to bev, by the way.
space opera
Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
I am. And I did try to clarify several times...
*Note: work on language skills.*
Posted by Primal Curve (Member # 3587) on :
Hey J,
Empathy. If you were empathetic, you would realize that by "refusing to paraphrase" (read: make any damned sense) you are not showing any empathy what soever. An empathetic person would sense the lack of understanding and try their damndest [sic] to make sure they understood. Rephrasing, paraphrasing or simplifying terminology are great places to begin. God help us if you're going to be a teacher.
And another thing; I'm not very easily creeped out, but this thread is absolutely dripping with Peeping Tomesque effedupitude (Lexicon? Who needs it- I make it up myself!)
Posted by Morbo (Member # 5309) on :
quote: So I need common grounds with virtually any woman. As it's happening now (according to stereotype, that are statistically true were I live and interact), women are centred around clothes, cellphones and hair.
from the 1st post.
Correct me if I'm wrong, Jonathon, but you seem to be seeking some commonality with women. Perhaps to have stuff to chat about. Not the same thing as empathy.
Also, "women are centred around clothes, cellphones and hair" is just, really laughable, and absurdly patronizing. I chat with a few girls online, and can't recall ever discussing any of those three topics at length. Same with girls in RL.
Posted by Primal Curve (Member # 3587) on :
Obsession with hair? Freudian slip? Projecting his own obsession on others? Hmmmm...
Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
quote: Also, "women are centred around clothes, cellphones and hair" is just, really laughable, and absurdly patronizing. I chat with a few girls online, and can't recall ever discussing any of those three topics at length. Same with girls in RL.
Lucky bugger...
Oh, and Primal Curve - psychoanalysis sucks. Move over to behaviourism, as long as you stop Skinnering me!
[ April 05, 2005, 12:13 AM: Message edited by: Jonathan Howard ]
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