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That's the way I choose to live - on the edge.

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Hahaha! That's just what I needed, a good laugh. Whoops, I think I woke my roommate up.
 

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Posted by Verily the Younger (Member # 6705) on :
 
I hate Daylight Saving Time because it's gibberish. Especially in Alaska where the sun doesn't play by your silly Lower 48 rules anyway. I'd like to see it abolished altogether.
 

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Posted by Boris (Member # 6935) on :
 
Why are we saving daylight anyway? I think we need two days every year where we just set the clock back an hour. Maybe more than two days...Maybe 12 would work well. Then we could have a full half day of extra sleep each year.
 

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Posted by Stan the man (Member # 6249) on :
 
The sun should not rise until noon anyway. Screw it all. (note: Stan is not a morning person)

It can go down the same time it always would, just rise later.
 

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Posted by Boris (Member # 6935) on :
 
I like that idea, Stan. In fact, I think we should draft a bill and submit it to congress.
 

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Posted by Stan the man (Member # 6249) on :
 
BTW, is that time change whole clock thing happening tonight? I forget.
 

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Posted by Orson Scott Card (Member # 209) on :
 
Yes, it's tonight. Set your clock one hour later. Then, when you wake up, wonder if you already did it and then set it yet another hour ahead. Then be really early to everything.

Just another public service of Hatrack River online.
 

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Posted by Stan the man (Member # 6249) on :
 
thanks, my computer automatically did it. I now have half an hour (it's 3 am where I am) to get ready for work. Good thing I write the watchbill.
 

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Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
 
You could always move to Saskatchewan. No Daylight Savings Time there. Or Sri Lanka. None here, either. And there would be an added bonus. Well, more for me than for you, sadly enough. I'd get to pick yer brains!

Yeah, I knew it. You're never coming here, are you?
 

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Posted by JonnyNotSoBravo (Member # 5715) on :
 
Not if you're going to pick at my brains.

Yuck.
 

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Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
 
That was actually directed at OSC himself. You know, the master of sci-fi. I'd love to pick his brains. Well, only if it wasn't messy or grossed me out, cuz if it did, ugh! I just don't have the stomach for blood and gore.
 

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Posted by Alcon (Member # 6645) on :
 
You could move to southern Indiana, where we just say to hell with the whole thing despite being smack dab in the middle of it.
 

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Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
 

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I never get that hour back again.

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I'm haggard with sleep deprivation all summer.

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You make your own schedule. You work for yourself. Why in the WORLD are you sleep deprived? You don't even play Civ 2 anymore!

Just sleep in.
 

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Posted by Telperion the Silver (Member # 6074) on :
 
Ahhh... I must be the only person on Earth right now who is liking this spring forward thing. I just got off work early! Hahaha! Ahhh... feels so nice. Sometimes the midnight shift really pays off.

 

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Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
 
explains why I am so sleepy and lagurchedy.
*longs to make own schedule*
 

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Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
 
Hey, Uncle Orson, you could also move (back?) to Indiana. We don't have daylight savings time, either.
 

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Posted by LockeTreaty (Member # 5627) on :
 
I wouldn't move to Indiana so fast. There is a very strong likely hood that Indiana will be going on daylight savings time in the very near future. The bill has already passed through one house and is sitting in the other's rules committee in preperation for the vote. We may be going on daylight savings time as soon as 3-months from now (Although we are adamant that we don't adopt it until our Indy 500 is over. ). Soon only Arizona will be fighting the good fight on the continental United States for keeping us lazy people from having to change our clocks.

<---Highly considering the move to Arizona upon graduation from colege.
 

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Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :
 
News Article:

Today President Bush announced his new Personal Time Accounts For Daylights Savings. The idea is that each of us really set our clocks back 55 minutes every year instead of the full hour. We then invest those extra 5 minutes in a governmentally approved time investment plan where it has been shown they earn a higher rate of time over interest.

"By the time a 20 year old today is ready to retire," said a spokesman for the president, "he will have earned and saved, on average, three and a half years."

Opposition leaders argue that such an investment scheme will increase the national time-debt to well over 2.5 centuries. "Though our President would love that" joked the Democratic Representative from Montreal. "That would put him right smack in the middle of the era of heraditary kings named George."
 

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Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
 
Friggin' brilliant, Dan.
 

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Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
 
For years, every spring Porter would grumble about Daylight Savings and threaten to "rebel" by--gasp--*not* changing our clocks! That would show 'em!

I don't like this idea because I don't do conversions well in my head. I am one of those people for whom setting the clock 5 minutes fast actually works, because whatever time the clock says, I believe it. So while *not* changing clocks with the rest of the country wouldn't make anyone outside our home suffer much, *I* would be seriously messed up. I got so tired of the yearly "rant".

So this year I was thankful that Porter went to bed early and I could change the clocks in peace.
 

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Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
 
Say thanks that we're on Earth.

On Jupiter you have no seasons.

On Venus every day is two years.
 

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Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
 
I just got used to getting at up at 5:45 to go to the gym in the morning. It was getting easier because of the sun being up.

Aaaaargh!
 

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Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
 

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I'm sick of "spring forward." I never get that hour back again.

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It's our age.

I hate that daylight savings time starts earlier and ends later than it did when I was a kid. (For one thing, it makes Passover seders start rediculously late at night.)

On the other hand, I love "fall behind." Ah, that extra hour of sleep.

I love sleep.
 

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Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
 
The only thing that bothers me about daylight savings time now is that it makes some of the shows I like on cable tv come on at different times.

Otherwise, since we don't change, I have no opinion.

I do think, though, that the Indiana state government spends ENTIRELY too much energy trying to decide whether or not to have daylight savings time.
 

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Posted by CaySedai (Member # 6459) on :
 
You can look up Sunrise-Sunset times to find out what they will be in June. For my town in Iowa, in June, the sun will rise as early as 5:38 a.m.

Without DST, that would be 4:38 a.m.
 

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Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
 
What I think is bizarre is how when DST begins, the days are already far longer than at the time it ends. What is the sense in that? Why does it extend into October? Why not instead extend it into March? Does it have to do with farmers and crops?
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
I think it must.

I have a lot of relatives in AZ, and it's always hard to remember that until now, they've been one hour behind me, but now they're two, like my relatives in CA... Argh.
 

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Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
 
Personally, I think Indiana has the right idea.
 

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Posted by LockeTreaty (Member # 5627) on :
 
I think that originally daylight savings times was designed for more efficient production, which is why daylight savings time was started in world war I and, after its elimination soon after the wars end, world war II. After world war II people in the buisness sector had learned that it was a great way to increase profits; therefore it was adopted on a state-to-state basis.

As far as farmers are concerned, those in Indiana have no desire to adopt dayight savings time. They do have some justification besides being too lazy to change all their clocks twice a year. In the case of dairy farmers, cattle must be milked on a very specific schedule, and by switching to daylight savings time the farmer has to ignore the change in time as far as milking the cattle is concerned, otherwise it would be much more likely to get bad milk. I don't know why crop farmers seem to have such a islike for daylight savings time, because I thought that it was for farmers that Ben Franklin had thought up the switching of the clocks. Imust assume that they are like me, and they would much prefer to be lazy.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
If you ever read the Anne Shirley books, it's implied in Rilla of Ingleside that the Germans originally came up with DST, and there was some opposition to adopting it, but I've never done any research to back that up because...

*whispers* I don't care.
 

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Posted by LockeTreaty (Member # 5627) on :
 
I couldn't agree more, adam. I think thats the secondary reason for most of the state wanting to petition the federal government to have our time zone changed to central if we are forced to adopt daylight savings time by those nasty little legislators.

The primary reason being that a large portion of Indiana is essentially a suburb of Chicago, and it would make more economic sense to tie our time zone with Chicago.
 

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Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
 

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For one thing, it makes Passover seders start rediculously late at night.

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Ah! So fun to be in Israel.
 

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Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
 
Well, yes, holidays occur at the right time in Israel.

So you don't sit in your sukkah in overcoats (like those in northern climates do here) or try to figure out how to install a ceiling fan in your sukkah (if you live in Florida, where it's usually uncomfortably hot and humid for Sukkot).
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Ela, the solution to that is to move to Southern California. The temperature isn't quite right every year, but every time I was in a sukkah, it was temperate and nice.
 

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Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
 
I fear earthquakes too much to ever live in California.
 

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Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
 

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So this year, I'm making a change. A drastic one. I'm setting my clocks 23 hours BACK and if the rest of the world doesn't like it, TOUGH NOOGIES!

(Actually, some of my clocks I'm only setting back eleven hours. That's the way I choose to live - on the edge.)

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I feel much the same way - I wasn't getting enough sleep already and now I have to go ahead and deprive myself of another hour.

I applaud this principled act of resistance. It makes me ashamed, because I'm wimping out on it, even though I agree.

Three of the clocks in our house I have to reset are mechanical - they have to be turned by hand via a tiny nob on the back. Bottom line - I'm too dang tired (a polite word for "lazy") to do the principled thing. Setting those clocks ahead one hour instead of back 11 is just so much faster and easier.

*hangs head in shame*

[ April 03, 2005, 12:38 PM: Message edited by: sndrake ]
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Eh, they're not as scary as hurricaines.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Setting your clock back 23 hours, hmm? So that means you're living in the past, but getting a preview of things almost a day before they happen.

That must be useful.
 

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Posted by Lupus (Member # 6516) on :
 
I'm just glad that my cell phone (which I use as an alarm) automatically sets the time...otherwise I would have missed church this morning. As it was, I was rather confused when I looked at my clock after I got out of the shower...as I thought I was up an hour early. I had to think about it for a while before I remembered that the government had jacked an hour from me.
 

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Posted by Verily the Younger (Member # 6705) on :
 

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Eh, they're not as scary as hurricaines.

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How could a hurricane be scarier than a massive earthquake?

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There is something spooky about seeing it coming for you a week ahead of time. Sort of like in the horror films how the bad guy chases the victims around for a while before killing them.
 

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Posted by Verily the Younger (Member # 6705) on :
 
I'd rather have the bad guy chasing me, so that I can at least have some time to think and maybe find a way to stop him, than to have him appear out of nowhere and slit my throat before I realize there is a bad guy.
 

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Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
 
Exactly, Verily.

Besides, even though the California climate might be right for Sukkot, I am willing to bet Californians still have to start Jewish holidays at inconvenient times of the day.
 

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Posted by littlemissattitude (Member # 4514) on :
 
I'll tell you exactly why I don't like daylight savings time. You see, I have this strange notion that when it gets to be evening, it's supposed to get dark. But around the summer solstice, even at the mid-latitudes where I live, it doesn't get full dark until after nine p.m. That's way too late.

Now, understand, I don't like it when it gets dark at 4:30 in the afternoon around the winter solstice, either. That's too early. But after seven p.m. or so, in my universe, it's supposed to be dark. In fact, the only thing I hated about England when I was there was that, since I was there at the end of June, beginning of July, the sun didn't go down until something like ten p.m. and then it got light again around four or four-thirty a.m. That's just too much sunshine for me.
 

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Posted by lem (Member # 6914) on :
 

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it also causes me to gain weight

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I new there had to be a reason, other then a sedentary job, Civ 3, and TV, that caused me to gain weight!
 

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Posted by Verily the Younger (Member # 6705) on :
 

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You see, I have this strange notion that when it gets to be evening, it's supposed to get dark.

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That is a strange notion. A summer trip to Alaska would cure you of that. Or make your head a splode.

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Undoubtedly, my head would just go pop and make a horrible mess.

Actually, I wouldn't mind visiting just to see what it's like. But it would probably be like Las Vegas is for me. I love Vegas for three days; any longer than that and it makes me absolutely insane.
 

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Posted by Uhleeuh (Member # 6803) on :
 
I love living in AZ this time of year.

Then again, I also hate it because everyone else I know has to add an hour to their clock and that royally screws up how often I get to talk to them.
 

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Posted by Verily the Younger (Member # 6705) on :
 
Ah, Las Vegas will do that to anyone. Any city that puts slot machines right next to the ATMs at the bloody convenience stores is just asking for trouble.
 

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Posted by Grisha (Member # 6871) on :
 
I have been told that even Indiana is going to do Daylight Savings Time starting next year(I've been trying to verify through further research with no luck), if this is true, it is a step in the wrong direction. Every state should be getting rid of Daylight Savings Time, instead of the few tates with the good sense not to be on it, going to it just to conform.
 

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Posted by Orson Scott Card (Member # 209) on :
 
Indiana has always had Daylight Savings Time, except for the corner of the state that Gary is in and the southwest corner. So for half the year, the whole state is on the same time; and the other half, the state is divided along the timezone lines. It's weird, but when I lived there, people seemed happy enough with it.
 

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Posted by jeniwren (Member # 2002) on :
 
The thing I'm really mourning is that I lost an hour of Hatcrack time!
 

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Posted by dread pirate romany (Member # 6869) on :
 
I like DST. So many people forget to set their clocks ahead that I can actually find a parking spot at church.
 

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Posted by Cow-Eating Man (Member # 4491) on :
 
I think you meant Indiana has never had daylight savings time. Of course, as usual, there are people trying to get it through the legislature.

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Edit: while I return to correct mistakes in your post, I must also confess to mistakes in my own.

Mine first:

Indiana did have daylight savings briefly during 1918, according to an article in last Sunday's Greater Lafayette Journal and Courier (which, regrettably, wants to make you pay to view it).

Yours continued:

There is never a time that the whole state is in the same time zones. Counties near Chicago follow Central using DST and counties near Louisville follow Eastern using DST. The rest are Eastern without DST, which means now I don't have to wait as late to call the West Coast.

[ April 03, 2005, 08:42 PM: Message edited by: Cow-Eating Man ]
 

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Posted by Audeo (Member # 5130) on :
 
Personally I enjoy daylight savings. In the summer the sun rises at 4:30 am and doesn't fully set until 10 pm. Without daylight savings it'd rise at 3:30 in the morning! Personally I have a difficult time sleeping when the sun is up, so with daylight savings I at least have a chance to sleep in until 5 or so in the morning before the sun, birds, and heat begin to wake me up (yes, I have blinds; no they are not effective at keeping the sun out), and with 18 hours of daylight a day, there's plenty of time after work to go for a nice long hike, or even go for a swim in the river before it cools off. It probably doesn't hurt that my internal clock is messed up by the three time zone shift that I experience when I go home for the summer, so I am actually tired at 10 pm, unlike during the school year when I go to bed around 1 or so.
 

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Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :
 
Southern Indiana does not have Daylights Savings Time.

Hatrack River, according to Alvin Maker, is in Southern Indiana.

We are in Hatrack River right now.

Hence--we are immune to Daylight's Savings.

on an unrelated Indiana Question---

With the Native American Groups requesting a more PC labeling of sports teams and anything else that uses their likeness in an innappropriate way, do we need to change the name of Indiana to Native Americanna?
 

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Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
 
I like living in Arizona for the same reason. Of course, this year I had to be in Iowa when it changed, on a night when the loss of that hour meant one less hour to spend with other Hatrackers. Grrrr.
 

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Posted by Shan (Member # 4550) on :
 
Seize the Daylight

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From Ben Franklin's era until today, the story of daylight saving time has been a fascinating and sometimes bizarre amalgam of colorful personalities and serious technical issues, purported costs and perceived benefits, agendas of interest groups and policies of governments, pushes for uniformity and pulls for regional differences. In fact, the sunlight that stole through Ben Franklin's window on that Paris morning has preoccupied the thoughts of more than a few scientific minds, and the energies of numerous political leaders, in a host of intriguing and unexpected ways in the two hundred-plus years since it awakened Franklin.

Excerpted from Seize the Daylight by David Prerau. Used by permission of Thunder's Mouth Press.

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Interesting trivia tidbits for the history buffs . . .
 

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Posted by Orson Scott Card (Member # 209) on :
 
Dan_Raven, I think we need to change the name of Indiana to "East Chicago."

OK, so maybe it would be better just to name it Wabash - or Wobbish, the way we spell things here.
 

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Posted by Cow-Eating Man (Member # 4491) on :
 
This was in Indianapolis monthly a few years ago. I still laugh when I look at it.
 

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Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
 
Hey, I'm not particular what it's called; I'd just be glad to have another option to call the state's citizens beside "Hoosier."

...though there is something kind of amusing about the school's sports teams having the same name as the state's inhabitants. It'd be like the UGA Georgians or the UNC North Carolinians.
 

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Posted by Crotalus (Member # 7339) on :
 
This has nothing to do with DST, I just wanted to say I like the 'head a splode' phrase. I don't hang out on the net much these days (a wife, toddler, and upcoming baby cured me of that), and so if i'm behind on the slang, forgive. Head a splode is almost, almost, as good as my sign off acronym (which still hasn't caught on). Here it is. Plast. Abbr of 'Peace, love, and Souuuuullll Traaainnn." Learn it, love it, use it!

Plast,
Crotalussssss
 

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Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
 
I can't believe all you people whining. Am I the only person who actually enjoys having some daylight left to do something outdoors when he gets off work in the afternoon? I would prefer that we keep it like this all year long. Who cares if the sun is shining when I get up and go to work in the morning? I want the sun shining when I get home.
 

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Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
 
zgator, I agree that if I could change it, it would be to keep DST year-round. It depresses me in the winter when it gets dark aroun 4:30pm!

Of course, if we kept it, the sun wouldn't rise above the mountains till 10am. That would be weird.
 

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Posted by Space Opera (Member # 6504) on :
 
Sorry, Dan. Though I like your theory, southern Indiana in fact does follow daylight savings time. I was quite relieved to discover this, as Mr. Opera works in Louisville. I'm not sure how far the DST area extends, though.

space opera
 

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Posted by Erik Slaine (Member # 5583) on :
 
Boy, OSC and I actually agree on something for a change.


 

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Posted by Jenny Gardener (Member # 903) on :
 
I'm a Hoosier, and I like not having to change my clocks. I'm forgetful enough as it is. I'd hate to have to remember to shift the times I do things. I'd inevitably be an hour late or early. I'm too old to change now. I can change timezones, that's okay, I get why that happens. But in my own home? Nope, not gonna happen. And I'll be crotchety about it, too!
 

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Posted by LockeTreaty (Member # 5627) on :
 
Indiana is what you might call "patchy" in terms of observing DST. The southwest tip and the northwest corner both observe central time year round including DST. The sections nearest to Louisville and Cincinatti both observe DST as well as Eastern time.

Here's a really poorly designed map, but it gives you a basic idea of Indiana's current situation.
 

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Posted by Jay (Member # 5786) on :
 
Energy Bill Would Extend Daylight Savings

So ok, let me get this straight. We’d switch in November and again in March? Why not just make it all year round? If it’s good for two more months, why isn’t it good for 4 more or all 12!!
 

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Posted by screechowl (Member # 2651) on :
 
Here in Kansas that extra hour of daylight just means one more hour for the summer sun to burn up lawns.
 

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Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
 
From the article.

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"The more daylight we have, the less electricity we use," said Markey, who cited Transportation Department (search) estimates that showed the two-month extension would save the equivalent of 10,000 barrels of oil a day.

The country uses about 20 million barrels of oil a day.

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And you know that God is offended when we reject the majesty of his creation and fiddle with time.

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Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
 
Yeah, but until we figure out where Eden was and what time it is there, we're just messing with it anyway, right?

Does anyone else find it amusing that it is just days after OSC complained about DST and the legislators are trying to fiddle with it even more?

I'm telling you, if you say it on Hatrack, the world takes notice. You can go to lesser known forums and say whatever you want but if you say it here, expect congress to act, or David Kelley to write a script about it.
 

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Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
 
If you want strict geography Eden was at the intersection of the Tigris and Euphraties and another river that doesn't exist anymore.

We could go by Eden Mean Time instead of Greenwich.

AJ
 

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Posted by Mabus (Member # 6320) on :
 
D'oh!

I just realized that's what the Iraq War was about...the government is trying to locate Eden!
 

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Posted by Tstorm (Member # 1871) on :
 
This is where I chime in and say, "Thanks anyway, but I disagree. I enjoy my time off work when there's some daylight. The more, the better.

Now, I'm not sure about extending daylight savings time. I kinda like things the way they are.

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You can't remember to turn your clock ahead/back? Are these the same people who forget to file their taxes? The same ones who don't change the batteries in their smoke detectors? Jeez...some people.
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Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
 
I don't change my clock. At least, not the one in my truck. For the summer it's 15 minutes ahead, for the winter it's 1 hour and 15 minutes ahead. No problem. My other clocks either change themselves or I set them to the correct time the first power outage after the switch. If I don't have to reset it 'cause it's blinking, it stays the same.

Ha!
 

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Posted by ludosti (Member # 1772) on :
 
I suppose I can understand the usefulness of daylight savings time when understood in the context of farm life and little or no electricity. However, since there are very few people in the US still living on farms or living without electricity, I think it's an idea that has long outlived its usefulness. With our flourescent lighting and multiple shiftwork and late-night tv, I think we have no need to continually fiddle with our clocks. That said, I'm really glad I live in Arizona, where the last thing we need is more daylight, but I still end up messing with my alarm clock because it automatically adjusts for daylight savings time.

[ April 07, 2005, 06:17 PM: Message edited by: ludosti ]
 

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Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
 
Notice how much energy its anticipated we'd save by a switch to longer daylight savings.

That's hardly an idea that's outlived its usefulness.
 

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Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
 
Wow, what a thought. You know how your clock has been programmed to change itself for daylight savings? If they extend it, won't we all need to get new clocks? Or VCR's. My VCR's are programmed already. I doubt there's a downloadable patch for those.

I can understand the downtown areas wanting to extend it so people will shop. I know in the winter here, it's dark by 5:30.

I just wonder if the extra fuel savings won't be spent making new VCR's and clocks.

Also, what time is it at the intersection of the Tigris and Euphraties? That's the real time. Right?
 

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Posted by ludosti (Member # 1772) on :
 
Why don't we just switch permanently then?
 

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Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
 
Accidents in the dark. Particularly accidents related to school children in the dark, waiting for the bus.
 

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Posted by Jay (Member # 5786) on :
 
Bahh…. So switch the kid’s school by an hour then. Don’t switch everyone else.
I wonder if this is a way to slowly get to so it stays the same year round. Ya know wean us into it slowly. Have it this way for a few years, then move it again in a few years. Then finally everyone will be sick of switching at the beginning of the month and back at the end of the month that they finally say ok, we’ll quit.
 

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