Hatrack River Forum: I finished SotG, and felt something was missing. What's the meaning of this?

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Posted by Altáriël of Dorthonion (Member # 6473) on :

*SPOILERS*

I finished Shadow of the Giant, but I must know somenthing, What happens to Bean? What happens to the 9th child?? I definately think there must be a book missing from this series.

Posted by Susie Derkins (Member # 7718) on :

That's how I felt at the end of Children of the Mind. I was like: Dude! Descolada planet! What's going on?

I'd like to think the next book will resolve both of our problems. [Cool]

Posted by Susie Derkins (Member # 7718) on :

I also like to think that somehow Volescu is responsible for the Descolada.

Don't you agree, Uncle O? Great idea, right?

Posted by Altáriël of Dorthonion (Member # 6473) on :

Yeah, I hope OSC finally joins both stories in a single series finale. I can't wait to know what happened to Bean's 9th child!
Do you think we should make up some names for what this wold be called?

Maybe something like,
"Ages in the Shadows" or something.
Pretty stupid isn't it?

Posted by ecneics (Member # 7817) on :

There is another book coming to link the speaker series to the bean series. OSC has talked about this in various places.

Posted by Altáriël of Dorthonion (Member # 6473) on :

Yay!! i knew Ender's and Bean's storylines would eventually intersect again! [The Wave]

Posted by Portabello (Member # 7710) on :

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I also like to think that somehow Volescu is responsible for the Descolada.

Ick. The decolada is too cool to come from that worm, IMO.

Posted by Susie Derkins (Member # 7718) on :

But maybe it comes from the SuperPeople he creates. On his planet where he's harmless.

Posted by Altáriël of Dorthonion (Member # 6473) on :

I don't think he had anything to do with the Descolada. Isn't it just part of the natural ecosystem in Lusitania? I don't think that in the 3000 years that have happened, such an intricate system would've evolved so fast.

Posted by IanO (Member # 186) on :

The Descolada was a created virus because there is no way it could have evolved, which was discovered by Qing Jao and Wang Mu in Xenocide. The descolada destroyed all but a handful of species it could twist into a symbiotic relationship so as to regulate the planets gaialogy- to 'lusiform' the planet. Children of the Mind had Miro and Val Jr searching for the home planet of the 'descoladores'. They find it and even begin to interact with them. The book never realy closes that story line.

Posted by Altáriël of Dorthonion (Member # 6473) on :

Wow! I just remembered that to be true!
Thanks.

Posted by neo-dragon (Member # 7168) on :

You guys need to venture over to the other side more often. OSC himself has been spilling the beans (pardon the pun) for weeks about both of the upcoming novels, one tentatively titled "Ender in Exile", and the other called "Shadows in Flight".

Posted by Altáriël of Dorthonion (Member # 6473) on :

What? Two? I thought one final one would cover it...Oh well, more reading for us.

Posted by Susie Derkins (Member # 7718) on :

The... other side?

What's so wrong with the self-congratulatory, ego-inflating, chummy stuff on this side?

Posted by neo-dragon (Member # 7168) on :

The first book will take place before Speaker for the Dead, and will be about Ender meeting Randi and Achilles Jr. (the 9th child) on a colony world. The second will take place after Children of the Mind and be about Bean's children, and the characters from the Speaker books. OSC has implied that Bean will most likely be dead already by that point.

Posted by accio (Member # 3040) on :

Don’t forget about the Christmas book [Wave]

Posted by Susie Derkins (Member # 7718) on :

An Ender Christmas Special? [Angst]

Posted by Altáriël of Dorthonion (Member # 6473) on :

Wow. I've got something to look forward to then.

Posted by neo-dragon (Member # 7168) on :

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Don’t forget about the Christmas book

Actually, Im trying to... [Grumble]

Posted by BryanP (Member # 7772) on :

I like how we and OSC keep referring to the Shadows in Flight book as just one book. Ha! Like he could wrap up everything with Bean's children, the Descolada and the chaos within the government of the Human Colonies (whatever it's called), which Ender/Peter will be a part of, all in one book. I bet we'll get another four!

Posted by neo-dragon (Member # 7168) on :

Can't wrap up 3 plot threads in one novel (which could be 600 pages for all we know)? I don't see why not. No offence, but that's why he's a professional writer, and you (as far as I know) are not. [Razz]

Besides, I bet that Card never intends to wrap up everything. I'm sure he'll leave us something to speculate about. The best endings are the ones that leave some things to your imagination.

[ April 15, 2005, 12:47 AM: Message edited by: neo-dragon ]

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I just want to know how people will react to the news that buggers are not only alive, but are now on many planets. How will they react to the new Formic Empire? Hpw will the Starways congress react to a Descolada planet. They were willing to little doctor a planet because Descolada might escape, what will they do to a planet that makes it? Will we see more Locke essays?

[ April 15, 2005, 01:25 AM: Message edited by: Wowbagger the Infinitely Prolonged ]

Posted by jongo05 (Member # 7580) on :

And here I venture out into the other side hoping not to be utterly shocked and I find this topic. What's up with that?

Posted by Susie Derkins (Member # 7718) on :

I wonder if Uncle Orson's life insurance covers the potential trauma we'd all suffer if he were to die before finishing all these stories.

Posted by Wowbagger the Infinitely Prolonged (Member # 7476) on :

I'm still waiting for a new Lovelock book...

Posted by neo-dragon (Member # 7168) on :

I don't understand the segregation of Hatrack at all. People create threads which they know belong on the opposite side just because the feel "more comfortable" on one side rather than the other...? [Confused]

It's like they are different societies or something. I mean, they're just two sections of the same online discussion board. They're two mouse clicks away from each other. It's not like walking into a room full of strangers or anything. It's time to break down the Hatrack wall, before we start speaking different languages and lose the ability to interbreed. [Eek!]

Posted by Susie Derkins (Member # 7718) on :

I hope I made it clear that my post about the other side was completely tongue in cheek.

Posted by neo-dragon (Member # 7168) on :

You did, but the segregation is obvious nonetheless.

Posted by Susie Derkins (Member # 7718) on :

I think for most of us who have been here a long time, it's not a blatant avoidance of the forum as much as disinterest. I talked a lot about OSC books when I first read them 10 years ago, but don't find much occasion to discuss them after being a forum member for that long. [Dont Know]

Posted by Orson Scott Card (Member # 209) on :

That's right - when people come here to research stuff about me, or in the first blush of liking one of my books (come on, it happens), then the "other side" is the place to go. Enough established members visit there to answer questions; and my spies monitor that area to make sure serious questions get answered if nobody volunteers.

But on THIS side, the community thrives. It isn't really centered on me or my work any more. It's just ... people who get together because it's a good community where you aren't likely to be flamed or abused - a place for civilized discussion.

Even discussions of why OSC is an idiot about politics or how he has stopped writing good books anymore.

Oh, wait, those discussions are on the OTHER side.

[ April 15, 2005, 02:39 AM: Message edited by: Orson Scott Card ]

Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :

Eh, they're here too, sometimes. We have boundary issues. [Wink]

Posted by IanO (Member # 186) on :

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Even discussions of why OSC is an idiot about politics or how he has stopped writing good books anymore.

Oh, wait, those discussions are on the OTHER side.

Not that I said that, but man, I wish I had never brought the subject up.

[ April 15, 2005, 09:13 AM: Message edited by: IanO ]

Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :

[No No]

It was a very good essay, Ian, regardless of whether one agreed with it or not. You should not regret it -- and I doubt that's what OSC was referring to.

Posted by Altáriël of Dorthonion (Member # 6473) on :

Yeah, I usually like writing more on the content and style than what the point of view is. Its ow you defend your opinions and views that counts.

Posted by BryanP (Member # 7772) on :

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Can't wrap up 3 plot threads in one novel (which could be 600 pages for all we know)? I don't see why not. No offence, but that's why he's a professional writer, and you (as far as I know) are not. [Razz]

I obviously think he's a fantastic writer and, sure, I bet he could wrap it up in one book if he wanted to. But, going from experience, I don't think I'm crazy to think it may be stretched out into more than one book. When was the last time you've seen OSC publish a book that was 600 pages long? I haven't read all his books yet, but so far I think the longest one I've read has been Xenocide, and it ain't 600 pages. Also, he always seems to exceed his original plans. He did so for the Alvin series, he did so for Xenocide/CotM (which was originally supposed to be one book) and he did so for the Shadow series (I don't think he ever intended to go past Ender's Shadow and then there were only supposed to be 3 total). So, I think there is plenty of history to suggest that Shadows in Flight may end up being more than one book. But we'll see. Frankly, I hope it is more than one book.

Posted by Susie Derkins (Member # 7718) on :

For what it's worth, OSC is probably the only author I really loved ten years ago that I still really love now. Of course, the reasoning is quite different, my tastes having matured.

Hmm... this started out as a compliment, but I think I ended up concluding that his books appeal to both immature and mature tastes. I guess that can't be all bad.

Posted by ecneics (Member # 7817) on :

I fomulated a theory long ago when reading the earlier books that perhaps the afflicted people of Path are actually the best result of an experiment to turn Anton's key. I also had theories that Bean's ancestry may be the inhabitants of the Descolada planet. This was way back during Ender's Shadow. It has held to be a possible truth through the series. Just my 2 cents.

Patrick

Posted by accio (Member # 3040) on :

Here’s what he said on the subject on the other side.

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posted April 13, 2005 08:52 AM
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The genetic change that was being fixed on Path was a simple one, a tiny splice. It could be fixed with a virus because it was a one-step alteration. (Even then, it would have to be a very FAST virus, and one exceptionally resistant to the body's immune system; and being so fast and resistant, it would be a dangerous thing to unleash on a population in case it mutated and did extra unintended things.)

Neither the original alteration nor the cure have the slightest thing to do with Bean; the technique could not cure his problem because his body already HAS the structures, etc., that his genes created. His body wouldn't suddenly start producing the growth inhibitors just because his genes changed. He already IS what he is.

You can find the whole thread at http://www.hatrack.com/ubb/forum/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=002947#000005

Sorry I don’t know how to hyperlink with “show as” on this forum. [Frown]

Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :

code:

 [url=http.whatever]Show This[/url]

Or you can just use the URL button below the reply screen.

Posted by LadyDove (Member # 3000) on :

I've heard "familiarity breeds contempt", but when it's impossible to take a well loved and read person out of context because he/she is part of the current content, I think that familiarity breeds respect.

Did that make any sense?

Posted by accio (Member # 3040) on :

rivka: Thank YOU!!!

Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :

Anytime, accio. [Smile]

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Posted by Verai (Member # 7507) on :

Blah. I don't get the discrimination. I'm sure if half the people here migrated their post type on "the other side," then there'd be a problem with the forum labels. But the off-topic posts that pop-up are few. Rare. It doesn't make my day miserable to see a topic that I am not interested it.