Or at leastone who, upon being asked what her hobbies are, lists video games...actually, I think that was the first thing she mentioned. I'm not getting my hopes up or anything, but a gorgeous girl who likes video games, reading, is a (get this) Mechanical Engineering major, and can dance is going to go pretty high on my list...really fast.
Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
Have you ever dated a woman that you didn't immediately fall in love with?
Doesn't that sound desperate?
Would you want to go out on more than one date with a desperate person?
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
Heh.
What about the last girl you started a thread about? The one going home for the summer but would be back in the fall?
-Trevor
Edit: You remember, the one you were so stoked when she maybe, tenatively agreed to a second date?
[ May 05, 2005, 12:55 AM: Message edited by: TMedina ]
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
I have a friend who has the same, ah, issues with dating. I have advised him that he needs to know and love himself before he starts looking for someone else to love, and that not every girl he dates will be the love of his life. I don't know whether that advice pertains to you, but you might want to think about it.
I don't mean to hurt your feelings or anything. I told my friend that because I love him like a brother, and want the best for him.
Posted by HollowEarth (Member # 2586) on :
quote: Love is the delightful interval between meeting a beautiful girl and discovering that she looks like a haddock. -John Barrymore
Posted by Clincher (Member # 7395) on :
Sour Patch Kids hurts the roof of the mouth
[ May 05, 2005, 01:51 AM: Message edited by: Clincher ]
Posted by Boris (Member # 6935) on :
quote: Have you ever dated a woman that you didn't immediately fall in love with?
Yes. I'm not in love. I just think it's really cool that I've met a girl who's interested in a lot of the things I am. There aren't many gaming girls out here.
quote: What about the last girl you started a thread about? The one going home for the summer but would be back in the fall?
I have her email. I've been trying to keep in touch. She hasn't emailed me back yet.
quote: I have a friend who has the same, ah, issues with dating. I have advised him that he needs to know and love himself before he starts looking for someone else to love, and that not every girl he dates will be the love of his life. I don't know whether that advice pertains to you, but you might want to think about it.
I know. I'm learning that now. I don't expect much out of this. In fact, I'll probably never even see her again. The real triumph is the fact that I was able to introduce myself to a complete stranger and have a 30 minute conversation with her without feeling like a dork. Sorry if my first post sounded like I'm a love-sick puppy (Even though I am). To be honest, I've realized (since getting "stoked" about the second date with the one girl) that I need to get to know people and have friends before I can even start thinking about having a girlfriend. If things develop, great. If not, I have friends. Win-win situation. No really. Something just clicked on in my head about a month ago and I'm starting to realize the fact that there are actually a lot of girls who like me, and I'm just learning how to deal with that now
edit: Clarification. Not a lot of girls here interested in gaming AND dancing.
[ May 05, 2005, 02:09 AM: Message edited by: Boris ]
Posted by Alcon (Member # 6645) on :
Hehe, I think this was more a thread about: "Holy cow a girl who games!!" (a rare breed that one) than "I'm in love with someone".
Posted by Boris (Member # 6935) on :
Yeah, what Alcon said Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
Boys. Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
I read it the same way as the boys.
Boris, there are geek girls in the world, plenty of them. If you're a geek boy, you just need to find yourself a geek girl. When you're ready, that is.
I'm a geek princess married to a geek prince. Posted by Talison (Member # 7935) on :
Girl gamers are out there Posted by Boris (Member # 6935) on :
quote: Boris, there are geek girls in the world, plenty of them.
Yeah. Just not in Rexburg, Idaho Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Yah, I hear you on that score. I had to move halfway around the world to get mine. I hope yours is easier to find. Posted by Avadaru (Member # 3026) on :
*is a girl gamer*
Posted by Talison (Member # 7935) on :
I DO know a girl gamer in Idaho (not Rexburg), but she's taken Where is the nearest big convention center? Gaming conventions are fun, whether or not you are looking to hook up with someone Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
quote:The real triumph is the fact that I was able to introduce myself to a complete stranger and have a 30 minute conversation with her without feeling like a dork.
Well done! Now you know that there was nothing to be afraid of. Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
I don't know if I'd go that far...
-Trevor
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
<--girl gamer Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
"Hehe, I think this was more a thread about: "Holy cow a girl who games!!" (a rare breed that one) than "I'm in love with someone"."
Alaska is another place lacking in geek girls, by the way. I've known a handful, but they always get snatched up by other geek guys before I meet them. Posted by The Pixiest (Member # 1863) on :
<- Girl gamer since Pong.
But still, we're really pretty rare.
Posted by Papa Moose (Member # 1992) on :
Anyone else been reading Dilbert this week?
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
I have, but we haven't seen that she's a gamer. She's just a hot geek chick. Posted by Eruve Nandiriel (Member # 5677) on :
*is also a girl gamer*
I actually used to work in a gaming store. ( The coolest job ever!) I got hit on by a lot of geeks.
Posted by advice for robots (Member # 2544) on :
Take it easy, Boris. Be coooooool. Posted by TheTick (Member # 2883) on :
Actually, according to Neilsen, 39% of gamers are female.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
"Alaska is another place lacking in geek girls, by the way. "
Actually, I think Alaska is just lacking in girls.
Posted by Boris (Member # 6935) on :
Technically, Alaska is lacking in people.
Posted by Verily the Younger (Member # 6705) on :
quote:Technically, Alaska is lacking in people.
What exactly are you implying? Think carefully before you answer.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
o_O
I figured it had to do with how Freaking Huge Alaska is and the comparison of the population being dwarfed by the size of the state.
Posted by Verily the Younger (Member # 6705) on :
Maybe I should have included a in there. I meant it to sound menacing, but only joke-menacing.
At any rate, while our population density is very low thanks to our enormous land area, keep in mind I live in Anchorage. It has over 300,000 people, which for me, is too many.
And yet, not one of those 300,000 is an attractive, interesting, single female. Plenty of our females have any two of those qualities, but none seem to have all three.
Posted by Bob the Lawyer (Member # 3278) on :
You know, I have a friend who always refers to women as females. I don't know why, but for some reason it always irked me -- not that I ever mentioned it. Your post made me think of it, Verily.
Anyway, the population of Nunavut is a mere 0.014 people per square kilometer. Which I always found kind of funny. Alaska's packed in comparison! Heck, the population of their capital, Iqaluit, is a paltry 6000.
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
*considers pointing out that there's no such thing as the perfect woman, or perfect man, just to be contrary*
*decides she's too tired to get into that argument, and goes to bed instead*
Posted by Verily the Younger (Member # 6705) on :
quote:You know, I have a friend who always refers to women as females. I don't know why, but for some reason it always irked me -- not that I ever mentioned it. Your post made me think of it, Verily.
It keeps me from saying "girls". Most women hate that nowadays.
Why not just say "women" every time? I don't know. A false sense of variety, maybe.
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
quote:Plenty of our females have any two of those qualities, but none seem to have all three.
In a city of 300,000, I'm willing to bet that this is in fact not true. The trick is meeting them.
quote:It keeps me from saying "girls". Most women hate that nowadays.
Do they? Uh-oh. I use "girls" preferentially.
Posted by Verily the Younger (Member # 6705) on :
quote:In a city of 300,000, I'm willing to bet that this is in fact not true. The trick is meeting them.
Keep in mind where the city is. Women are outnumbered here. Any woman who is attractive and interesting is not going to be single for long. There are always plenty of men to go around, so women pretty much get to take their pick here. Which means that by the time I meet them, they've long since claimed another man for themselves.
quote:Do they? Uh-oh. I use "girls" preferentially.
So do I. I don't mean it to be degrading--and I think a lot of them think it is degrading. I just like the sound of the word. But I can understand the objection. At my age, if someone kept referring to me as a "boy", I'd start to get irritated. But at least we have the word "guy" to fall back on.
Posted by Bob the Lawyer (Member # 3278) on :
I think it's supposed to be womyn, but I can't figure out how to pronounce that Posted by Verily the Younger (Member # 6705) on :
Oh, please don't get me started on politically-correct misspellings. Posted by Bob the Lawyer (Member # 3278) on :
That's mysspellings.
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
I'm fine with girls, but I don't like being called a lady. I could give you reasons and pretend it's rational and all that, but really, I wouldn't even be kidding myself. Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
Yes, I know, Alaska and all of that, but your attitude is self-defeating! In my experience there are awesome women everywhere. Even when I was living in the middle of nowhere in rural Newfoundland I knew a few. I wasn't interested in dating at that stage, but there were available women around.
If there was hope for me then, there is hope for you now.
And aren't we the same age? 24. Yeah. The situation where I live now is similar -- 80,000 people, industrial town -- but there are women around. They exist. Some of them are probably even awesome. I'm not looking, but I bet they're there.
Posted by dabbler (Member # 6443) on :
As a 24 year old female, I actually don't like "woman." as in, "you are a beautiful woman." or "I took this woman on a date last weekend" it's too... formal sounding. Boyfriend calls me his girlie, which is fine by me.
Posted by Verily the Younger (Member # 6705) on :
quote:I'm fine with girls, but I don't like being called a lady.
Specifically, or in general? In other words, do you object to one, two, or all three of these usages:
1) Hey lady, could you move your car?
2) This lady over here might know what you're talking about.
3) Ladies of Hatrack, I need some advice!
Posted by MyrddinFyre (Member # 2576) on :
I HATE "woman." I'd prefer the awful "chick" to that word. Then again, I barely qualify as "woman," but people seem to want to use it anyway. It sounds like something people would say just to be politically correct or when trying to be flattering... but I think it just comes off as, well, creepy.
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
And I'm in a real bind. I hate the word womyn - I just start thinking of butchy lesbian man-haters, not that there's anything wrong with that. But I don't like being called a girl, a lady, or a woman, either. And no, it's not rational, and yes, I fully admit that. So what's left? Female.
So clinicla.
Ugh. Posted by Verily the Younger (Member # 6705) on :
Well, there's "chick", "broad", "bird", "dame", or "skirt". Those aren't clinical.
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
What about chick, skirt, babe...?
Edit: Beaten!
[ May 06, 2005, 11:51 AM: Message edited by: twinky ]
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Yeah. But I don't like them either. Posted by Verily the Younger (Member # 6705) on :
You don't leave a lot of options. How do you feel about "non-male dude"? Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
Hm. Clearly all girls/women/females/broads/skirts/chicks are crazy. Posted by Bob the Lawyer (Member # 3278) on :
Amen twinky, I either drop it entirely or just call 'em "Bia-Biatch".
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Not all. Just me.
Hey, I told ya. I know it ain't rational. Sheesh!
Posted by dabbler (Member # 6443) on :
quid, what about "hey girlie." "So many girlies!" too, silly sounding?
I agree, Kris. Chick is better than woman.
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
I don't mind "girl" or "woman" or even "lady", if the occaision arises. Although I can see that "woman" could be too formal/old for some contexts...
"Chick", "skirt", "broad" etc., on the other hand...
EDIT: Especially "chick". I am not a "chick" in any sense of the word!
"Your highness" is best though .
[ May 06, 2005, 12:14 PM: Message edited by: Teshi ]
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
And from my honey, I don't mind honey, dear, sweetie, or other silly little terms of endearment. But the rest of you can't get away with that.
See, this is why I've never told anyone how I felt about those terms before. It just leads to a huge mess.
So, forget it. You can all just move on to the next topic now. Posted by Eruve Nandiriel (Member # 5677) on :
Personally I felt flattered when I moved up from "that girl" status to "that chick". I don't mind being called a chick sometimes, but I hate being called a girl, and I don't really like being called a woman. Woman is usually used in context like "get me a drink, Woman", or something along those lines. I don't mind being called a lady, or young lady though.
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
*grin* I don't have time to fully answer that question, Verily. I'll try to later, if I can.
I'm fine with pretty much all the other options mentioned so far, though.
quids, I consider "guys" to be a gender-neutral term, for the most part. If I'm addressing a mixed gender group of people, I'll usually say "you guys." How do you feel about that? I don't think I usually use it when I'm referring specifically to one female, though. Hmmm.
Posted by imenimok (Member # 7679) on :
I am not a lady. I don't like "woman" in the context of "Woman, go get me a beer." I don't really have an opinion on "girl." Endearments are fine. With the exception of "hunny bun." I especially hate "ma'am." I'm only 26, for crying out loud. I can deal with "miss." I also have no opinion on "chick" because I can't imagine anyone actually calling me one.
I have a really hard time referring to the majority of the males I know as "men." Quite a few of them don't even rate as "guys." I call them "boys" and am willing to suffer the consequences.
I think that covers it.
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
I hate "miss". It reminds me of prissy private school girls from the fifties. "Ma'am" is fine. I'm always "Ms" on bills because I detest the Miss so much.
EDIT:
"Men" and "Man" for me pretty much covers anyone with a career or family. Sometimes I'll attach "young". ("career" is different from "job"; it also depends on how I relate to the person)
"Boy" covers up to the end of highschool.
"Guy" is the in-between unless circumstances lead me to use one of the others.
[ May 06, 2005, 12:56 PM: Message edited by: Teshi ]
Posted by MyrddinFyre (Member # 2576) on :
Hmmm, I call all my guy friends "boys." And I try to make a point (especially at work) to call anyone female "girls" unless they're middle aged, then I sometime use Miss. I just think that when I'm elderly I would enjoy being called a "girl"... though I usually use it in the plural, like when two elderly ladies are out shopping together
edited to add: This is to avoid "Ma'am" which insults so many people (here in the north, anyway) I just don't use it.
[ May 06, 2005, 02:21 PM: Message edited by: MyrddinFyre ]
Posted by imenimok (Member # 7679) on :
I call other females "girls" and "ladies." And I just realized that I don't mind being called "Lady," but being addressed as a lady drives me nuts. I am odd.
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
Hmm. This is an odd spectrum of viewpoints. Girl doesn't bother me, nor does woman (unless it's in the context of "Woman, get me a beer," as someone mentioned). Lady doesn't bother me, nor does ma'am (depending on how it's said), but Miss irks the hell out of me.
I don't mind being a chick, but I dislike the word broad. I don't mind being a skirt, and no one would ever call me a babe, so that's a moot point.
Informally, I'll call any group of people of any gender "Guys." I will refer to individual males as that guy, that fellow, that boy, or that gentleman (depending on my mood). I've been known to call an exclusively male group boys (regardless of age), but I can see how it would annoy, if not done in fun.
And let me top this all off by saying I LOVE the English language...such...variety! Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
I am a woman. However, if you say, "Woman, get me a beer!" there may be blood shed. If you call me a girl, I won't care enough to make an issue of it (although it's not my preference).
If you call me girlie (*shudder*), there WILL be bloodshed. And if you call me "wifey" <insert vomit smilie here> . . . well, let's just say that I divorced the last person who called me that despite my objections.
Call me a chick, skirt, or dame and you'll get a glare. Call me babe, and I better really like you, or else we're back to possible bloodshed.
*bares teeth* I am woman, hear me roar. Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
*cowers*
Posted by Verily the Younger (Member # 6705) on :
Well, "woman" as a term of address is different. There's no way to use it that way without sounding like a pig.
Teshi, as a guy myself, I pretty much agree with your assessment of the male terms. I'm too old to be a "boy", but I have a very hard time thinking of myself as a "man". I have a job and my own apartment, but not a career or a wife or anything, so I figure I'm just a "guy".
Though if you'd called me a "boy" in high school, we'd have had words.
quote:I don't mind being a skirt
Really? I'd have thought that one would be universally offensive.
(You do all realize that I was just kidding when I listed all those, right? Those are not words I actually use.)
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
I remember when Porter and I were dating him telling me that he didn't feel like the word "man" applied to him--yet. He strongly referred to himself as a "guy", a la Dave Barry, stating that there is a definite difference between the two.
But I remember him saying that I made him want to be a man. Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
quote:Really?
I'm sorry, my responses are limited; you must ask the right questions.
Hobbes Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
I have no quarrel with being called a boy. I certainly prefer "boy" to "man." The latter is wholly inapplicable.
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
You'd fall into my "guy" category, Twinky.
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
"Guy" is fine too. But I certainly don't object to being lumped in with the boys.
Posted by Verily the Younger (Member # 6705) on :
I do. To me, with certain exceptions, a "boy" is a kind of child. I feel like I've lived too long and worked too hard to be called a "boy".
Of course, I'd still love to be somebody's "boyfriend", and that's a word I see no reason to alter. Or if someone said I was "like some kind of Beastie Boy or something", I wouldn't be offended. Confused, sure. But not offended.
But if someone referred to me as something like "this boy I know", I would be offended.
Posted by tt&t (Member # 5600) on :
I prefer girl over woman or lady. I think I prefer lady over woman as in "that lady over there might be able to help you". I don't mind chick, but I dislike broad, skirt, and most similar expressions. Only one person can get away with calling me wifey. Although some of my friends can get away with calling me almost anything.
I don't mind being addressed as "you guys" in any group (mixed gender or all girls), and I would address a group (any gender combination) as "you guys". However "a guy I know" would always be male. If I was talking about a female I would always say a girl I know or a lady I know, never woman. ... not sure why.
I agree with Teshi on this:
quote:"Men" and "Man" for me pretty much covers anyone with a career or family. Sometimes I'll attach "young". ("career" is different from "job"; it also depends on how I relate to the person)
"Boy" covers up to the end of highschool.
"Guy" is the in-between unless circumstances lead me to use one of the others.
I think that pretty much covers it...
[ May 07, 2005, 12:01 AM: Message edited by: tt&t ]
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
I don't think I've ever heard anyone use the word "skirt" in this manner in anything but jest. How common is this ladies?
Hobbes Posted by tt&t (Member # 5600) on :
Yeah I've never heard it either, I dont't think I would like it though!
Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
I am a woman, and prefer to be referred to as such. (However, my name is not “woman,” and I would not answer if addressed as such.) I’m not a girl, although I probably wouldn’t make a big deal about someone referring to a group that I was part of as girls. However, there have been times when someone has referred to “the men” and “the girls” in a mixed gender group (same age range). I have a BIG problem with that.
Sidenote: I’m an honorary member of a sand volleyball team (I go to all the games and cheer and provide childcare for members if needed, but I won’t play because I hate volleyball. I’m just in it for the social aspect. (And the ice cream.)) The league is co-ed and has a rule that if the ball is hit more than once before it goes over the net at least one of the hitters has to be female (we call this “the sexist rule”). Most of the teams, if a male player hits the ball first, yell “girl!” to remind their players that they need a female player to hit it next. Our team is the only one that yells “woman!” Of course, we're one of the older teams, which may have something to do with it.
[ May 07, 2005, 12:14 AM: Message edited by: dkw ]
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
I love the word "lady". I don't feel like a "lady", but I like the idea.
Posted by Avadaru (Member # 3026) on :
I get called "lady, miss, girl, ma'am" at work, and I don't honestly have a preference. I don't mind being called a chick, and if I'm in a relationship with a guy, he can call me babe or woman (I like "babe" as a sort of pet name), or pretty much anything he likes. I'm not that particular, so long as he's not being intentionally offensive. I dated one guy who verbally abused me constantly, so I'm definitely not going to put up with that. Posted by advice for robots (Member # 2544) on :
These kind of conversations always make me feel so much more at ease talking to the opposite sex. Thank you.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
What Dana said.
Posted by MyrddinFyre (Member # 2576) on :
quote: However, there have been times when someone has referred to “the men” and “the girls” in a mixed gender group (same age range). I have a BIG problem with that.
Ugh, that's one thing that gets to me.
Posted by Verily the Younger (Member # 6705) on :
Yeah, that's pretty condescending. "The boys" and "the girls" would be okay, depending on context. "The guys" and "the girls" probably wouldn't offend anyone that wasn't looking for something to be offended by. But if it's "the men", then the counterpart must be "the women".
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
One of my favourite shirts says "Cleverly Disguised as a Responsible Adult" on the front.
quote:But if someone referred to me as something like "this boy I know", I would be offended.
Huh. That wouldn't bother me in the slightest. "This boy I know" or "this guy I know" are both fine by me.
It might be because I'm not very good at judging age, so I generally don't bother trying. For example, a few years ago I met a girl on a train. Early on in the dating process, she told me that she was 31 (I was 21). I hadn't noticed and didn't care. But when I just described it to you I referred to her as a "girl," even though I expect by the standards of more or less everyone else who has posted to this thread she would be a "woman." Part of it is that I think it makes the sentence flow better ("so I met this girl..." > "so I met this woman...") because "girl" is easier to say, and part of it is that usually when I'm talking about dating and such things I just default to "girl" and "boy" for whatever reason. Perhaps I associate "girl/boy" with fun and "woman/man" with work.
![[Frown]](frown.gif)
![[Smile]](smile.gif)
![[Wink]](wink.gif)
![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
![[Dont Know]](graemlins/dontknow.gif)
I read it the same way as the boys.![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
When you're ready, that is.![[Kiss]](graemlins/kiss.gif)
![[Cool]](cool.gif)
![[Grumble]](graemlins/grumble.gif)
![[Angst]](graemlins/angst.gif)
![[Wall Bash]](graemlins/wallbash.gif)
![[Mad]](mad.gif)