Allow me to be the first to say, "huh?"
Posted by Papa Moose (Member # 1992) on :
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Posted by Portabello (Member # 7710) on :
I call third.
Posted by Morbo (Member # 5309) on :
Wait, huh's on first? Posted by kaioshin00 (Member # 3740) on :
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Posted by Papa Moose (Member # 1992) on :
Griffin -- the link doesn't work for me. What does it have to do with the second part of your post? And what is the Portuguese religion? To be honest, even knowing your answers to these questions, I may still not be sure what you're asking.
Posted by Griffin (Member # 7166) on :
Sorry, The link works for me, I'll just post the pillars:
1. To bear witness that there is none worthy of worship save Allah and that Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) is the Messenger of Allah.
2. To observe Prayer (Salat).
3. To Pay Zakat (Alms giving)
4. To perform the Pilgrimage to the House of Allah (Hajj).
Sorry for not explaining it clearly, but the two aren’t related at all. It's just that with all the recent politics, and war going on in Iraq, people seem to think that Islam is a religion of war. But it's not at all, right.
The other part is me asking what's the meaning of Saint George in the Portuguese Religion versus other religious meanings of Saint George.
The "Portuguese Religion" being Catholicism?
Posted by advice for robots (Member # 2544) on :
quote:The other part is me asking what's the meaning of Saint George in the Portuguese Religion versus other religious meanings of Saint George.
This sentence is impenetrable.
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
I'm just trying to understand either what the point is or what the question is or what Islam has to do with "the Portuguese Religion".
Posted by Griffin (Member # 7166) on :
<--worst post ever. Today.
In one sentence... The point is... why is Saint George the patron saint of Portugal?
That would be a fun game, the "worst post ever" thread. Everyone would try to post a more pointless post than the previous one... And add some comments on the last post.
Griffin Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Okay, so what does Islam and its five pillars have to do with it?
Posted by Griffin (Member # 7166) on :
Well quidscribis, It's just something I find interesting. And hoped maybe there would be some Islams on hatrack that might have a personal opion. Something to prove that the religion is peaceful. Please ignore it.
Griffin Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
But why?
What I'm saying is that I have no idea why you brought it up so I have no idea what you want to discuss. We do have one Muslim who's on here - Amira - but I haven't seen her lately - and I'm married to one, and although he's technically a member, he doesn't post much here at all. Plus there are a bunch of people on here who make it their business to understand a wide variety of subjects or are interested in understanding a wide variety of subjects, so it's not automatically something that can't or won't be discussed here.
Posted by Griffin (Member # 7166) on :
The two unrelated subjects came up at work, I don't know how it started but no one seems to know a whole lot about either subject. Forget about it.
Or, do I dare type more?
something was mentioned about Saint George and the Matacão. Whatever that means. I did some research and found the story of Saint George Slaying the dragon. But no stories relating to him being the "Patron Saint of Potugal"! I also don't know why Jihad motivates Muslims to violence when the religion is peaceful.
quote:quidscribis
there are a bunch of people on here who make it their business to understand a wide variety of subjects or are interested in understanding a wide variety of subjects
Is this a bad thing?
Griffin Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Um, no, not at all. I was merely pointing out that pretty much anything ends up being fodder for discussion. So feel free to question/discuss/whatever.
As for why Jihad motivates some Muslims to violence - it has more to do with a particular Imam teaching Islam as he understands it more so than anything else. Fahim and I have discussed this at length, and as far as he and the majority of Muslims are concerned, Jihad is an internal struggle against evil, not a war to kill all the heathens. But some Imams teach it differently.
Think in terms of Jonestown or Waco, Texas. Nutjobs, as I would think of them. They're not representative of the majority of Christians by a long shot, yet they happen. Same as the Catholic Priests sexually abusing children - not representative of Catholics as a whole, yet it happens. The Muslims who are terrorists do not represent the majority of Muslims by a long shot. Most Muslims abhor what they're doing and want it to stop.
Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :
Ah, a question I can answer. Is this a bad thing? No.
Well, that's my belief anyway.
As far as the first question, why does a peaceful religion like Islam attract a dangerously violent arm of Jihadists?
That is the 64 Thousand Dollar question. I believe its more a economic/political problem than a religous based one. People will go to extremes to find whatever power they can when they have none to begin with, and face brutal degradation. There are other key peices such as racial pride, common enemies, and even Cold War politics.
Where Islam plays into all of this is Islams strong belief in showing ones faith via obiediance. A friend of mine refused to eat on Ramadan because it proved his willingness to "Obey" God.
As far as your last question, you are vague in your definition. You say "Portugese" religion, when what you mean is Portugese culture. Why, in the Catholic Relgion, is St. George the patron saint of Dragon Killers and Portugal?
That we would have to google to answer.
Posted by Griffin (Member # 7166) on :
edit: so it's less confussing and what I want is all in one post.
Posted by tern (Member # 7429) on :
My understanding of the first question is because Islam is more than just the five pillars, and a lot of the teachings of the Koran and the non-Koranic writings around Mohammed's time give mixed messages which can be interpreted as advocating violence.
In a way, a lot like early Christianity, except more confusing. (I have a Muslim brother-in-law)
As to why some Islamic religious leaders would choose to interpret these messages as advocating violence, there are different thoughts. My personal guess is that it's a power thing, a lot like medieval Christianity. We've come a long way from then, so hopefully Islam can come out of their own Dark Age.
I hate to say this, and I don't want to come off bashing on Islam, but as far as advocating peace, there's nothing in the Five Pillars that actually advocates peace.
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Is there anything in Buddhism, Hinduism, Christianity, or Judaism to advocate peace? Do any major world religions have peace as a mainstay of their religion?
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