This is topic Split a piece of wood and you will find me. Look beneath a stone and I am there. in forum Books, Films, Food and Culture at Hatrack River Forum.
After reading Telp's landmark I remember this quote from the "Stigmata" movie. They say right at the end that it's from a document that has been found recently and which is believed to have been written by Jesus himself. I was wondering if anyone here knows more about it.
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
*shudders*
That movie is very near the top of my worst movies ever list. Its main contenders are Battlefield Earth (vomits) and Swept Away (Guy Ritchie's attempt to sabotage his wife's acting career).
Posted by Corwin (Member # 5705) on :
Ugh... Well, I don't know about you, but I liked it a lot. Oh well.
Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
No, they were sneaky with how they phrased it. They said that the four gospels weren’t written by Jesus, and then they said that the Gospel of Thomas contained “Jesus’ actual words,” or something to that effect. Which was designed to leave the impression that Jesus wrote it, without actually saying it, since there's absolutely zero evidence for such a claim. The difference is (and where the second statement is technically true) that it’s a “sayings” gospel rather than a “story” gospel -- a collection of quotations attributed to Jesus rather than a narrative about Jesus.
Edit: The part about the Catholic church suppressing it was fiction too -- you can buy a copy on Amazon.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Now you can, dkw, but how long did they know about it before that?
Just because someone gets s copy doesn't mean that no one tried to prevent him from gettting it....
Kwea
Posted by Morbo (Member # 5309) on :
"Split a piece of wood ..." I liked this verse, is it really from the Dead Sea scrolls?
Sigmata is not a great movie, but it's no where near as bad as Battlefield Earth, Xavier. Although the Evil Cardinal is not a good villian.
dkw, the scrolls were supressed for about 40 years. From what I've read, it seems like academic BS and politics more than any scheme by the Catholic Church, though. They were never published in their entirity until they were outed in 1991 by someone who pieced bits together in a reconstuction. Without that, they might still be under wraps.
quote: When in 1991 the editor of Biblical Archaeology Review, Hershel Shanks, who since the mideighties had been calling for the "release" of the scrolls, caught wind of Abegg's reconstructed texts, he encouraged Abegg to let him publish them.
Abegg found himself facing an ethical dilemma. On the one hand, there was the academic protocol against publishing other people's work—coding the 3x5 cards represented hundreds of days of piecing the texts together. On the other hand, says Abegg, "we saw that this material had been done in the late fifties and could have been published then. They had held on to this material, were telling everyone it couldn't be published because there had been no transcriptions. And then we found out that, indeed, there had been transcriptions back in the fifties—they were pulling the wool over our eyes all these years."
quote:Sigmata is not a great movie, but it's no where near as bad as Battlefield Earth, Xavier.
I don't know, I cringed in pain at just about every piece of dialog in both movies. Stigmata was actually quite painful to watch .
Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
Yes, but the movie doesn't take place in the 1950s. And it implies (if not outright states, I don't remember) that the Church was willing to use violence to keep them secret. And then uses text at the end to suggest that the movie is less a work of fiction than it really is.
Posted by King of Men (Member # 6684) on :
Under a rock is just the place to look for gods, yes.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
Ah, my day wouldn't be complete without an absolutely unnecessary barb from King of Men.
Posted by King of Men (Member # 6684) on :
Pleased I could help.
Posted by Taalcon (Member # 839) on :
It is a quote from the Gospel of Thomas, yes.
And honestly, having read it, I don't know what the big hullabaloo is all about. the only thing I found really 'shocking' about it was the final saying, which many have conjectured was a gloss or downright addition anyway.
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