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Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :

I have the sinking suspicion I already know the answer, but:

To upgrade a prior system (10.2.8) to the Tiger 10.4, is there an upgrade package or do I need to spend $129 and buy the full OS?

-Trevor

[ May 30, 2005, 11:56 AM: Message edited by: TMedina ]

Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :

Unless the system was purchased in the last few months (and if it's running Jaguar then it almost certainly wasn't), then you have to spend the $129.

Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :

^&$#^*%(*!&$!*!

Thanks.

-Trevor

Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :

Do you need to upgrade the system to Tiger?

Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :

Not by choice, but I can't seem to find a functioning AV conference option outside of upgrading to Tiger and using the IChat.

Yahoo Messenger supports a camera but not audio.

-Trevor

Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :

iChat AV existed before 10.4, but I don't know if it was a 10.2 thing or a 10.3 thing...

Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :

It was in beta release for 10.2.8 and has since been discontinued, hence this massive headache.

Since then, AV features are only available in 10.3+.

-Trevor

Edit: IChat AV 2.1 is for 10.3+

Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :

Ahhhhhh. I believe I offered you one of my spare copies of Panther (complete with iChat AV) before, did I not? [Smile]

Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :

You did and I appreciate it, but the cousin-in-law who I'm doing this for isn't hurting for money.

He just had his new house built, complete with an entire suite of smart options.

And he insisted on a Mac to begin with, which means I don't have a lot of sympathy. [Big Grin]

I'm just testy about how much time I've spent trying to make this work under the parameters imposed.

-Trevor

Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :

[Big Grin]

Posted by xtownaga (Member # 7187) on :

either of you (or someone you know) has any affiliation with any kind of school, you can get a pretty good academic discount (goes to like $70 or $80), this can be student (college or higher, though they've let me use the student discount at my local apple store w/ a High School ID. The in-store discount is only on hardware, but you can get software online from apple at the reduced prices), teacher, or any other school related job.

Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :

New Questions:

I'm adept at installing memory and various upgrades in a PC. Should I even think about installing memory in a Mac?

Second question: Tiger specifies a G5, G4 or 600mz+ G3 processor. This eMac has a 700mzh machine speed, but it doesn't specify a G-designation. I'm assuming this is compatible with the G3 600+ requirements?

-Trevor

Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :

Installing memory in a mac works exactly the same as with a PC, only the slots are usually more accessible. On smaller form factor macs, though, there are usually fewer slots.

The eMac is a G4. You can find that and other hardware info by going to "About this Mac" in the apple menu and then clicking "More info . . ."

Tiger actually runs pretty well even on a 400mHz g3, though.

Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :

Oh, the hardware info location will also have info about your RAM and RAM slots. For instance, mine tells me I have four slots, two with 512 chips in them and two empty.

On the eMac, there's likely some soldered memory you don't have access to, and a chip you do have access to in the back (its easy to get at).

Here's some info: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Hardware/Developer_Notes/Macintosh_CPUs-G4/eMacOct02/4Expansion/chapter_5_section_1.html

Ah, both are accessible and installable by the user. You should have one free slot to start, and one with the factory memory.

Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :

Thanks Fugu - now I get to brave the mall to buy a memory stick.

I swear the "About this MacFragger" didn't list a G-designation.

-Trevor

Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :

Its when you click "More Info" that you get the interesting stuff, though its supposed to list a G designation on the initial about screen, too.

Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :

I was...erk...wrong.

It does say G4 - I just missed it in the alphabet soup.

Thanks for the assist.

-Trevor

Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :

heh, no problem.

You need all the help you can get dealing with the extreme computing experience that is OS X [Wink]