I'd only seen one episode before, and that was six years ago.
I got the first disk of the second season yesterday, and I watched the second season premiere over my oatmeal and blackberries this morning. It's really good! I'm bored during the fight scenes (this explains why I don't like Alias), but they are not overwhelming and there's lots of funny in between. Not bad!
I prefer Firefly where the lingering body shots are of Jayne and Malcolm rather than a little blonde girl, but I like this show. Well done, Joss. Posted by Theaca (Member # 8325) on :
Isn't Buffy a neat show? I wonder if I should buy the dvds. I saw it all as reruns so I've probably missed a few episodes. I'm watching firefly on Scifi channel this month and I haven't decided if I like it or not.
Posted by plaid (Member # 2393) on :
Yay! Another Buffy convert!
(The only thing is, you may want to stay away from any Buffy threads, to avoid spoilers. The plot twists on Buffy are a LOT of fun...)
Posted by plaid (Member # 2393) on :
Oh yeah -- in case you like listening to commentaries -- skip the ones by Jane Espenson, she has a tendency to let spoilers slip for upcoming stories you may not have seen yet...
Posted by Katarain (Member # 6659) on :
Yeah. Commentaries aren't safe for nearly any show's dvds. We watched the ones for SG1 season 1 once and decided never to do it again...until MUCH later. (Because of the spoilers.)
I'm so happy you like Buffy.
*hugs her Buffy DVDs mentally, since they're home right now and I'm not*
Posted by Stray (Member # 4056) on :
I'm going over to a friend's house every Tuesday night to watch Buffy. I've never seen any of it, and she owns all the DVDs, so we started with Season 1 and have been working our way through it, usually about 3 eps a week. We're midway through Season 2 now and I'm loving it Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
I use to go over a girls house and watch it every week, back about the second-thrid seasons. Once I stopped seeing her I stopped watching it.
Now JenniK and I watch it once and a while. Posted by Taalcon (Member # 839) on :
*grins* Season 2 of Buffy is one of the best seasons of Television to air, period.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
It was a very good suggestion, Taalcon. Thank you.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Season 2 of Buffy has a little bit too much Freak of the Week for my taste.
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
I think it was one of those series that just got better and better. No shark-jumping there.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
I think it jumped something in season 6.
Season 7 I could pretty much do without.
Posted by estavares (Member # 7170) on :
I'm having the same experience; borrowing the DVD sets and watching the series straight through from Season One onward. I realize there were a lot of episodes I'd never seen. It gets a bit too schmaltzy for my tastes between Buffy and Angel, but that episode of the living demon-slaying ventriloquist's dummy is still a hoot to watch.
Any toy that describe a girl with "great gams" deserves a look.
Is the girl who plays Drucilla related to Martin Landau?
Posted by steven (Member # 8099) on :
The 5th, 6th and 7th seasons are my favorite, but that's cause there's lots of Spike. Angel's cool, but not my type.
Ni!
Posted by Dante (Member # 1106) on :
quote:So, Buffy the Vampire Slayer is pretty good.
No. No, it's really not.
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
I think the 3rd and 5th seasons are my favorites. I think the 7th would have been better if it were about half a season longer.
I just bought the sixth season, I can't wait to get the others.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dante:
quote:So, Buffy the Vampire Slayer is pretty good.
No. No, it's really not.
I'm with you. Posted by Stone_Wolf_ (Member # 8299) on :
I started watching Buffy on reruns on FX, early in the morning because there was nothing else to do after a graveyard shift. I now own all but the seventh season on disk.
YOU MUST WATCH BUFFY IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND THE GENIUS THAT IS JOSS WHEDON!!!!
I mean, the first few seasons there are a lot more stand alone episodes, but as the series continues the season archs become more engrossing, and the little details that carry over from one ep to another are truly impressive.
After I memorized Buffy, I started on Angel. Angel is a good show, but different, and just like Buffy you have to be willing to put up with the main characters changing and evolving.
I just started getting Firefly on netflix, and man I'm pissed off that it got canceled after only one season!
Posted by HandEyeProtege (Member # 7565) on :
What I love about Buffy is the way Joss Whedon will twist reality in some fantastic, absurd way and just throw the viewer in without a clue what is going on. And then have it all work out quite logically (logically for the Buffyverse, anyway) by the end of the episode, or season, or whatever.
Without spoiling much, the episodes that come to mind are "Superstar" - focusing on the otherwise minor character of Jonathon, "Buffy vs. Dracula" - not for the title plot but rather the introduction of Dawn - and "Once More, With Feeling" - the incredible musical episode.
Posted by Damien.m (Member # 8462) on :
Season two was the best especially "Passions". Without giving anything away the part where Giles walks up the stairs was just plain genius.
Posted by Tarrsk (Member # 332) on :
Welcome to the Buffy bandwagon. I'm watching it for the first time as well, and it's recently just-barely eclipsed Firefly as my favorite television series of all time. Admittedly, much of that is due to the whole Firefly-being-cancelled-after-14-episodes thing (Grrr, Arrgh at Fox!), but still...
IMO, Buffy (with the exception of the standout second half of Season 2, which beats anything in Seasons 3 and 4) gets better and better. I'm about half-way through Season 6, which IMO hasn't had a single bad episode so far, and features the musical episode, which is just the most brilliant thing I've ever seen on TV... err... DVD. Posted by Damien.m (Member # 8462) on :
Last half of season six is brill. Whatever you do dont stop watchin!
Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
quote: Last half of season six is brill.
Brill? You mean glasses?
Posted by Damien.m (Member # 8462) on :
As in brilliant.
Posted by Amanecer (Member # 4068) on :
I absolutely agree that the sixth season is fantastic. But it is not for everybody. It is extremely dark, nasty, and difficult. If you can handle that, then by all means watch it. If not, just let the series end for you at season five. Posted by Taalcon (Member # 839) on :
Does it get any better than this? I mean...seriously.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jonathan Howard:
quote: Last half of season six is brill.
Brill? You mean glasses?
No, as in ME! Posted by xnera (Member # 187) on :
I'm not crazy about the box design on the Chosen Collection, but I think I might get it anyway, because it's STILL cheaper than buying the seasons I don't have individually. Plus, bonus DVD!
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:So, Buffy the Vampire Slayer is pretty good
And in other news, Bill Cosby is black.
Posted by Speed (Member # 5162) on :
I hate it when they do this. I just bought all 7 seasons individually last month, and now they're all together, with a discount and a bonus.
[darthvader] NOOOOOOO!!!!! [/darthvader]
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
I have been getting the disks from Netflix, and apparently Season Two Disk Four is the jackpot, because it is taking a vamyre's age to get here. There's a short wait for it, and they have to ship it from another warehouse. I don't get it until Friday, and Taalcon won't let me watch Disk Five until I see Disk Four. Which means I have nothing to watch until Friday. *pout*
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
I only own season 1 - it's cheaper to get the combined set, even with the duplication.
Time to start my birthday/Christmas list.
And yes, the season two gets better and better as it goes along.
Posted by Taalcon (Member # 839) on :
quote:Originally posted by Speed: I hate it when they do this. I just bought all 7 seasons individually last month, and now they're all together, with a discount and a bonus.
[darthvader] NOOOOOOO!!!!! [/darthvader]
Which means hit ebay NOW and you can still probably make a profit before it's too late.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
9 more episodes, and I will have watched the entire Buffyverse.
Posted by Taalcon (Member # 839) on :
I just finished Buffy season 4, and Angel season 1.
Will probably be a little while before I'm able to get to the next seasons of both. But I can't wait!
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
Brilliant episodes to watch for:
Season 2 Eps 21-22: Becoming Season 3 Ep 9: The Wish Season 4 Ep 10: Hush Season 4 Ep 19: New Moon Rising Season 4 Ep 22: Restless Season 5 Ep 16: The Body (difficult to watch) Season 6 Ep 7: Once More, With Feeling Season 6 Ep 17: Normal Again Season 7 Ep 7: Conversations with Dead People Season 7 Ep 11: Showtime
And for those of you who want a continuation of the show, there's an online virtual sequel called Watchers, which is due to begin its third season next month.
Watchers "airs" every Tuesday night, at 8pm Eastern Time, just like Buffy did. It's written in prose, rather than script form, although it is divided into a teaser and four acts, just like the show.
Technically, it's just fanfic. But it flows so well from the end of Buffy that it feels like a real sequel. I can't recommend it highly enough.
You can find the show at http://www.thewatcherscouncil.net, and I have an "Epguides" knock off for it at http://www.starways.net/watchers/epguides.html. I haven't gotten around to filling in all the "guest stars" in the second half of the first season yet, and the "TVTome" page doesn't have any of the second season.
If you read anything, read Interlude, which is a fanfic story that starts moments after the end of the last episode of Buffy, and sets the stage for Watchers.
Posted by Taalcon (Member # 839) on :
Actually, there are two official Angel comic miniseries currently being distributed that take place following the end of the televisied Buffyverse.
Posted by Taalcon (Member # 839) on :
quote: Season 4 Ep 10: Hush Season 4 Ep 19: New Moon Rising
I actually think New Moon Rising was the best, most emotionally intense episode that season. Alyson Hannigan's performance was brilliantly heartbreaking.
Hush was wonderful, and deserves all the kudos that it gets, but I think New Moon Rising was the season standout for me.
Posted by Katarain (Member # 6659) on :
Woah? Really?? Who wrote the comics?
Posted by Taalcon (Member # 839) on :
Angel: The Curse is already in progress (by Jeff Mariotte), and Angel: Old Friends is coming next.
quote: Season 4 Ep 10: Hush Season 4 Ep 19: New Moon Rising
I actually think New Moon Rising was the best, most emotionally intense episode that season. Alyson Hannigan's performance was brilliantly heartbreaking.
Hush was wonderful, and deserves all the kudos that it gets, but I think New Moon Rising was the season standout for me.
I agree. Although Restless, weird as it was, remains my second favorite ep of the whole series, right after Once More, With Feeling.
Sometimes a slice of cheese is just a slice of cheese.
Posted by lem (Member # 6914) on :
quote:[darthvader] NOOOOOOO!!!!! [/darthvader]
I borrowed the full Buffy DVDs, and I must say my best friend truely is an *explicitive* for getting me hooked! I am digging it, but I am too busy to invest time into watching it.
So, I am doing late nighters. I like it, but it is nowhere as good as Firefly. Reading this thread is making me jones-en to go home and start season2.
With 7 seasons and Hatrack's reccomendation, I have faith it will continue to get better and become even more addicting.
Posted by Speed (Member # 5162) on :
quote: I like it, but it is nowhere as good as Firefly.
And you haven't even started season 2 yet? Give it two or three more discs and then say that.
And it only gets better from there. Posted by Taalcon (Member # 839) on :
quote:Originally posted by starLisa:
quote:Originally posted by Taalcon:
quote: Season 4 Ep 10: Hush Season 4 Ep 19: New Moon Rising
I actually think New Moon Rising was the best, most emotionally intense episode that season. Alyson Hannigan's performance was brilliantly heartbreaking.
Hush was wonderful, and deserves all the kudos that it gets, but I think New Moon Rising was the season standout for me.
I agree. Although Restless, weird as it was, remains my second favorite ep of the whole series, right after Once More, With Feeling.
Sometimes a slice of cheese is just a slice of cheese.
You know, Restless actually seemed - very anti-climactic following the episode that it did. I did find the Cheese-man absurdly hilarious, and I understand it was supposed to be a bit of an emotional 'summation' of the season, and creating an ominous forshadow of what was to come...
... but it really didn't do much for me on the first view. I may have to watch it again.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
Was Restless the one with the dream and the first slayer? The first time I saw it was totally out of context, and I thought it was pretty bad. It's more tolerable when viewed after the episode that preceeded it, but it's still not on my list of favorites.
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Taalcon:
quote:Originally posted by starLisa: Sometimes a slice of cheese is just a slice of cheese.
You know, Restless actually seemed - very anti-climactic following the episode that it did. I did find the Cheese-man absurdly hilarious, and I understand it was supposed to be a bit of an emotional 'summation' of the season, and creating an ominous forshadow of what was to come...
... but it really didn't do much for me on the first view. I may have to watch it again.
It was intended as an anti-climax. Eps 22 and 23 were the season finale. Joss called Ep 24 (Restless) a "coda".
My favorite lines from Restless:
I'm a comfortador also.
Sometimes I think about two women doing a spell... and then I do a spell by myself.
A Watcher scoffs at gravity.
Be back before Dawn.
I walk. I talk. I shop. I sneeze. I'm gonna be a fireman when the floods roll back. There's trees in the desert since you moved out, and I don't sleep on a bed of bones.
You're not the source of me.
Posted by kwsni (Member # 1831) on :
Restless is my favorite episode ever, I think.
Ni!
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by kwsni: Restless is my favorite episode ever, I think.
Ni!
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Can anybody tell me why Glenn Quinn (Doyle) left the show Angel?
Posted by Rico (Member # 7533) on :
You mean besides the obvious reasons inside the Angel universe? Google search yields results:
According to that he was fired from Angel due to his drug/alcohol addiction. He later died of a drug overdose on someone's couch.
Posted by Taalcon (Member # 839) on :
Are there any sources that state plainly that he was fired?
Because the way the story progressed, and the outcome and lasting story effects that came from it seemed so masterfuly orchestrated.
A N G E L - S E A S O N - O N E *S* *P* *O* *I* *L* *E* *R* S*
I'm also reminded of Joss, on the commentary for the pilot of Buffy said they almost put Xander's best friend (who, uh, leaves the show an episode or two later) in the credits just for those episodes so that his "show leaving" would be a shock and come completely by surprise. Because of their miniscule budget in the first season, he didn't have enough money to have two title sequence cuts, so he nixed the idea. (Kind of interesting, seeing how many variations of the main title begin showing up in Season 4!)
Joss did say in the commentary, however, that he was actually able to do the same thing for the first season of Angel, and he actually pissed off a lot of fans.
Still knowing that Joss said that, Quinn's leaving of the show came as a complete shock to me, and still had quite the emotional resonance.
*E* *N* *D*
*S* *P* *O* *I* *L* *E* *R* *S*
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Well, we finished the entire Buffy-verse.
I've got a question about season 5 of Angel:
-----SPOILERS-------
Buffy shows up at least twice in season 5 (one of the times is in Angel's dream, granted), but SMG isn't there. Does anybody know why SMG wasn't in season 5 of Angel?
*E* *N* *D*
*S* *P* *O* *I* *L* *E* *R* *S*
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
From what I've heard SMG had conflicts with other projects/refused to play the part of Buffy after the end of Buffy. That's just from various rumor mills, though, I don't know anything definate.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
That seems pretty lame to refuse to help out the character that made her a star.
Assuming those rumors are true.
Of couse, if they are true, she's probably wanting to distance herself from the character Buffy as much as possible.
Not that she'll ever be able to, but I guess I can't get too upset at her for trying.
Posted by Rico (Member # 7533) on :
Yeah she said she wanted to play other roles other than Buffy. They had her body double for all the scenes where they needed to show her presence in Angel season 5.
Posted by Amanecer (Member # 4068) on :
I remember reading something in the paper about this. Whedon wanted SMG to show up for the end of Angel. However, since it's cancellation was a suprise he wasn't able to give her much notice. This was exactly around the time that Scooby Doo 2 was coming out and she had previously scheduled plans and responsibilities to them. She told Whedon that if he could change around the filming order (shoot the 22nd episode before the 21st or something like that) that she could come. But he hadn't written the script yet, so it just didn't work out.
Posted by The Pixiest (Member # 1863) on :
He should have had Willow show up. She was way cooler than Buffy anyway.
Posted by plaid (Member # 2393) on :
Did something similar happen in Buffy season 6/Angel season 3? Between episodes 4 & 5 of each show, Angel and Buffy are said to have met and argued, but the meeting's never shown... anyone know what happened there? (Network legal problems? Actors too busy? Writers not interested in actually showing the scene?)
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
I remember that, Amanecer. It was one of the reasons the way it was cancelled annoyed me.
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
plaid- I believe that one was network legal problems. I'm pretty sure they had the scene written and everything, but weren't allowed to film it.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Plaid -- at that point, the two shows were on different networks. It's not surprising that they didn't want any cross-pollination.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
*shields eyes from all spoilers*
Still on season two. I just saw Surprise/Innocence. Great episodes,and holy crumb. That would seriously suck.
Also, I love Cordelia and Xander. I think they are darling. I know everyone is supposed to be fond of Willow and Oz, and they are really cute together, but Cordy and Xander are much more fun to watch.
I listened to the commentary to the episode where they got together, and the woman who wrote said "No one saw this coming." Is she kidding? Everyone could have seen this coming! I was watching the first disk and asked Taalcon if Xander and Cordelia get together, because it sure looked like foreplay fighting to me. I like that they did, but it wasn't exactly a huge surprise. They had to give Cordelia something to do as she's hanging around once she stopped tormenting the Slayer. Tormenting Xander would be a natural.
Posted by xnera (Member # 187) on :
quote:plaid- I believe that one was network legal problems. I'm pretty sure they had the scene written and everything, but weren't allowed to film it.
Yeah, pretty much this:
quote: joss says: (Sat May 26 19:22:48 2001 66.31.214.93)
Leaving am I, but let's talk crossovers. No plans for one right now, but they are not ruled out forever. Better to let the shows get started on there own, but someday.... in the meanwhile, I have a thrilling noncrossover planned that should drive you guys insane.
I'm pretty sure he was referring to the off-screen argument.
Posted by xnera (Member # 187) on :
quote:Still on season two. I just saw Surprise/Innocence
Ooo, you're getting to the really good stuff!
When a friend of mine was watching Buffy for the first time several months back, I made her watch them with me via AIM (both of us watched on our computers and commented). Very fun. Alas, I was sleeping while she was watching "Becoming", but she filled up my IM screen with her reactions.
..and that's all I'll say. Posted by kwsni (Member # 1831) on :
I'm not really addicted to Buffy till they get to the middle of fourth season, but Becoming is one of the episodes from earlier that I watch over and over again.
Ni!
Posted by Humean316 (Member # 8175) on :
"Still on season two. I just saw Surprise/Innocence. Great episodes,and holy crumb. That would seriously suck."
Yeah the rest of that season will blow your mind. I got into BTVS about 2 months ago believe it or not. And one of the reasons I am such a big fan now is because of season 2. You will love it. My favorite season is season 2 with a little season 6 mixed in.
Posted by Zarex (Member # 8504) on :
You know, I really have never watched any episodes of BtVS. Probably because I think that if I had were a girl, and had been named Buffy I think suicide would be wholly justified. Ungh.
And that is my two cents.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
I know a woman who is about 60 years old and is named Buffy. She seems happy.
Posted by Zarex (Member # 8504) on :
She probably spent thirty oof those years in therapy.
Posted by Amanecer (Member # 4068) on :
Half the cast has weird names... Buffy, Willow, Zander (although that comes from Alexander), Cordelia, Oz, Angel, Anya... Much more fun than plain names like Randy or Joan. Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Actually, I believe it is spelled Xander.
Posted by Amanecer (Member # 4068) on :
Right you are!
Posted by kwsni (Member # 1831) on :
Xander's name is Alexander Harris. Not especially strange. Xand could easily have chosen to call himself Xander instead of Alex sometime pre-series, say middle school (Who doesn't want to change thier name at that point?).
Ni!
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
He went by Alex in the episode where they all lost their memories.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Here's another Buffy question.
*S*P*O*I*L*E*R*S*
The character Darla (Dharla?) dies four times -- as a mortal, as a vampire, as a mortal again, and as a vampire again.
How and when did she die the second time? I assume that it was somewhere in the early seasons of Buffy, but I have no recollection of it.
While I'm at it, how and when did Drusilla die as a vampire? I assume it happened in season 2 of Angel, but again I can't remember it happening.
I assume that she must have died, since they never had her come back even though Juliet Landau kept being on the show in flashbacks up through the last few episodes of Angel.
Posted by Katarain (Member # 6659) on :
SPOILERS
Darla is in the first episode of Buffy. She's the one in the annoying school girl outfit who kills the boy in the opening scene. She's a darling of the master and tries to get Angel to turn evil. Instead, he kills her. I think they were in a warehouse or something. It was either kill her or let her kill Buffy.... or something like that. Anyway, Angel did it. With either a crossbow or a stake.
Yeah, my memory is great! Anyway, she was a really annoying character, and they changed her when they started doing flashbacks and when they brought her back. She was way too lovey and meek around the master. Not very Darla-Like.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Yeah, I remember her character in Buffy, I just didn't remember how she died. That's because when she died in Buffy, she wasn't that important of a character.
But even when they brought her back in flashbacks, etc., Darla was still meek when dealing with The Master.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
Xander is what my brother wants to call my nephew, whose full name is William Alexander. (To continue that trend, my kid will be named Julius Khan.)
My dad and grandparents call the kid Willy. *amused*
Posted by Katarain (Member # 6659) on :
She probably was still meek around the master to make her earlier behavior seem plausible. I still don't buy it. I don't see Darla being scared of anybody.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
Just saw Phases last night. Oz is indeed darling. He's so laid back, which is perfect for Willow, who is basically a big ball of sweet anxiety.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
I don't see her being scared of The Master, but being worshipful of him.
Posted by Katarain (Member # 6659) on :
*grin* Well, I can't say that I thought enough about this to be able to go past a few casual statements. I've got no good reason not to think that your interpretation is the better one. Posted by plaid (Member # 2393) on :
Letsee, I liked season 1... REALLY got into it in season 2... and by the time I got to season 4 I stopped renting anything else until I was done with the whole series. Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Amanecer: Half the cast has weird names... Buffy, Willow, Zander (although that comes from Alexander), Cordelia, Oz, Angel, Anya... Much more fun than plain names like Randy or Joan.
Well, Buffy is Elizabeth, Xander is Alexander, Oz is Daniel, Angel was Liam...
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head: Here's another Buffy question.
*S*P*O*I*L*E*R*S*
The character Darla (Dharla?) dies four times -- as a mortal, as a vampire, as a mortal again, and as a vampire again.
How and when did she die the second time? I assume that it was somewhere in the early seasons of Buffy, but I have no recollection of it.
While I'm at it, how and when did Drusilla die as a vampire? I assume it happened in season 2 of Angel, but again I can't remember it happening.
I assume that she must have died, since they never had her come back even though Juliet Landau kept being on the show in flashbacks up through the last few episodes of Angel.
Darla got pregnant by Angel. But when he came to term, she couldn't deliver him. In the one act of love she ever did as a vampire, she staked herself, and Connor was born when she dusted.
I think it was season 3, but I could be wrong.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
SPOILERS!!!
That was the second time she died as a vampire.
The first time she died was as a mortal. She was already dying of syphilis when The Master came, killed her, and turned her into a vampire.
The second time she died (the one I was trying to figure out about), Angel staked her early on in the show Buffy.
The third time she died (after being brought back to life by Wolfram and Hart) she was killed by Drusilla (at the request of Wolfram and Hart) and truned into a vampire. Again.
The fourth time she died, she staked herself for the sake of her son. Who ended up being just as evil as she ever was, even though he was human and had a soul and all.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
SPOLIER DISCUSSION
quote:Who ended up being just as evil as she ever was, even though he was human and had a soul and all.
He did?
Posted by Amanecer (Member # 4068) on :
******SPOILERS*******
quote: Buffy is Elizabeth
Hmmm, I don't remember that one. Do you remember which episode it came up in?
quote: While I'm at it, how and when did Drusilla die as a vampire? I assume it happened in season 2 of Angel, but again I can't remember it happening.
I assume that she must have died, since they never had her come back even though Juliet Landau kept being on the show in flashbacks up through the last few episodes of Angel.
I don't think Drusilla did ever die as a vampire. But season 2 of Angel/ Season 5 of Buffy is the last time we see her not in flashbacks. She leaves LA after slaughtering people in Angel and then she leaves Sunnydale after Spike locks both Buffy and her up.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:He did?
SPOILER DISCUSSION.
Well, not really. That was, I admit, hyperbole. He was no mass murderer.
He wanted to murder (and torture) less people than that.
Posted by Katarain (Member # 6659) on :
Buffy's real name IS Buffy.
Didn't she tell someone her name and they replied with "No, really?" and she gave them a "look."
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
OK - I thought I had missed a major story arc somewhere.
Posted by xnera (Member # 187) on :
Maybe Elizabeth is her middle name? I'm pretty sure we heard her middle name at least one. But yes, her name really is Buffy.
I wish UBB boards had spoiler font. It'd make it soooo much easier to talk about things like this without worrying about accidentally spoiling someone.
Posted by The Pixiest (Member # 1863) on :
Anne is her middle name. Buffy Anne Summers.
Posted by xnera (Member # 187) on :
*thwaps self* I should have known that. I feel stupid now. In my defense, I started work at 6:30 this morning so I'm rather braindead at the moment.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
I was really pleased to finally figure out
SPOILERS!!!
who the guardian of the "Deeper Well" was in the last season of Angel. I knew him as Paul Mua'Dib in the SciFi version of Dune.
I did the same thing with the pompous ass in the episode Shindig of Firefly -- it took me forever to figure out that he was Duncan Idaho.
I'm hoping to have somebody else from Dune show up in Serenity. I'd love to see The Baron. Or Jessica (who it took me forever to figure out where I knew her from).
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Pixiest: Anne is her middle name. Buffy Anne Summers.
Wasn't Anne just the false name that she used as a waitress when she ran away from home at the end of the 2nd season?
Posted by Speed (Member # 5162) on :
MPH: IMDB is a valuable resource. Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
I get so much more satisfaction when I am able to figure it out without resorting to IMDB.
But if I can't do it on my own, I'll use IMDB.
Posted by The Pixiest (Member # 1863) on :
MPH: "Anne" was her name in the first episode of season 3 when she was waitressing, yes. However it wasn't a fake name. When asked "Why Anne?" She responded "it's my middle name"
Pix
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head: SPOILERS!!!
The fourth time she died, she staked herself for the sake of her son. Who ended up being just as evil as she ever was, even though he was human and had a soul and all.
I don't think Connor was evil. His actions were, but he himself was seriously damaged. In the Angel finale, you get to see him more as he would have been with a better history.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Being damaged doesn't keep you from being evil.
And he was.
He was a torturer and a murderer.
But then, Wesley was evil too. He was just evil on the side of the good guys.
But yes, it is true that if things were different and Connor were a different person, he would be a different person.
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
NEW INFO STARTS HERE:
So, the first two seasons of Buffy are on hulu.com (my favorite website of the last 6 months). I finished Burn Notice and decided to check it out.
I have to say that, after finishing the first two seasons, I really don't like it all that much. I mean, it's not bad. I did watch every episode. But mainly because I <3 Joss and I kept waiting for it to get good. Other than the last two eps of season 2, I vastly preferred the Kristy Swanson movie-Buffy to the SMG TV-Buffy. Sacrilege, I know!
But so far it's been mostly 'meh'. Does it get better? Does it get really good, like life-changingly so?
It's definitely no Firefly thus far.
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One way in which the show is definitely better than the movie is Angel. Now that's a genius character.
Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
Yes, I think Buffy doesn't get really good till season 3-4, and then seasons 5, 6 & 7 (really, when Spike features more - I love the Buffy Spike dynamic) are my favourites. I like re-watching seasons 1 and 2 now, but I started from season 3 and I think that's what got me hooked.
Seasons 1 & 2 are a bit melodramatic, bit high-school and a bit whiny sometimes. I think.
Posted by Shanna (Member # 7900) on :
Totally glad someone bumped this thread.
I finished season 7 last week. I bought the Chosen Collection during the sale on Amazon so I pretty much went through the entire series in about alittle over a month. Much sleep was lost and I'm sort of in Buffy withdrawls.
The withdrawls should have been worse but since seasons 6 and 7 really didn't hold my attention and I had to force myself to finish, I sort of weaned myself of it in a way.
I cried like crazy during the series finale for one very justifiable reason and also because it was just so very bad. I wanted to go back and watch the first three seasons again just to remind myself why I watched this show. Thank goodness for James as Spike or I might not have stuck it out.
I think one of my big issues with the last two seasons is that I lost alot of sympathy for the major leaders who are supposed to be the anchor for the show. Most of them behaved in ways that I found difficult to forgive and I really just stopped caring about them in favor of some of the more promising secondary cast members.
JT, is there anything you don't like about the show in particular. I think the humor and the strength of the character writing and casting make Firefly and Buffy very similar. Is it the "creature of the week" style because that does lessen up majorly (even though I was fond of it and the ways Joss could sort of play around with the "after school specials" type issues.)
I will probably be started Angel soon but I'm not too excited. I remember watching it when it first aired but never got past the first season. I am SUPER THRILLED to see Cordelia again but Angel always sort of bugged me on his own. With Buffy he was great, but separate I just didn't care about him much.
I would say it has some AMAZING moments of sheer brilliance: Hush, Once More with Feeling, The Body, etc. If you don't cry like a baby during "The Body" then you just don't have a soul.
Posted by Mucus (Member # 9735) on :
El JT de Spang: I only really watched Buffy for a couple seasons. However, Angel as a show really connected with me in a way that Buffy didn't and thus I own the latter while only having a passing familiarity with the former.
quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head: Being damaged doesn't keep you from being evil.
And he was.
He was a torturer and a murderer.
But then, Wesley was evil too. He was just evil on the side of the good guys. ...
I don't know if the good/evil classification scheme is really one thats all that applicable to the world of Angel. The show spends quite a bit of its time presenting characters that are normally strictly good or bad in an ambiguous light. Thats why you have demons co-existing with humans, decidedly non-heroic vampire hunters, and so forth.
Indeed, people with rather deterministic moral systems such as Kate, Gunn's former crew, and Lorne's people in Pylia are presented rather unsympathetically.
In fact, if Wesley is guilty of being evil on the side of the good guys, arguably both of Angel and Lorne would fit the same category by the end of the last episode. (Not to mention Spike or Illyria who are unabashedly so)
Posted by Pegasus (Member # 10464) on :
Very recently I decided to give Buffy a try, and I have burned right through the first 2 season's like there was no tomorrow! I thought season 2 was great, and I'm glad there are 5 more to go, and Angel as well... (It helps that the early season's are like $15 at walmart right now)
At first it was kinda corny, but it got better, or maybe started to grow on me.
I was already a rabid Firefly fan, but hadn't tasted Joss' earlier flavors.
Posted by breyerchic04 (Member # 6423) on :
My Walmart doesn't have any Buffy but season 1, ick.
I really don't like the first season, the second has good and bad moments. Three and four are fun, but my favorites are five and six. Spike! He's not quite your type, JT, but he's interesting and pretty.
Oh and this is in response to something three years ago but, Liam wasn't Angel's real name, it was William.
[ January 28, 2009, 02:09 AM: Message edited by: breyerchic04 ]
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
No, Angel's name was Liam. Spike's name was William.
Posted by Katarain (Member # 6659) on :
I'm pretty sure it is Liam, which is an Irish form of William.
Posted by breyerchic04 (Member # 6423) on :
I remember them saying somewhere that it was William. I know he was called Liam, but that's the same as Alexander being called Xander.
Posted by Elmer's Glue (Member # 9313) on :
Even if you were right, how would they have been wrong?
Posted by EmpSquared (Member # 10890) on :
Geez, people. Go to sleep. Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
They never say that Angel's name is William. Just Liam. Though I did think it was interesting that Angel and Spike basically had the same name.
My guess, btw, is that Liam's last name was Angelus.
Edit: But then again, I figured Faith's last name would turn out to be Winters, so what do I know?
[ January 28, 2009, 08:21 AM: Message edited by: Lisa ]
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
I suspect the early years of Buffy are more poignant the nearer you are to high school. If you can barely remember high school and most of those memories are good, then the metaphor isn't really working.
My favorite season of Buffy is the fifth, with a few episodes from the other seasons (Fool for Love, Hush, Once More With Feeling) right up there.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
I watched all of Buffy about half a year ago. The first season is not good. The villain is a joke and they don't take themselves seriously. In the first episode, their (Willow and Zander's) best friend dies and they don't seem to care that much. The whole thing with the little boy was just plain stupid. The best part of season 2 was when Spike came in and killed him, thus proclaiming to the world (IMO), that the writers had figured out that nobody liked that bad guy and that we all thought it was pretty much a joke.
Not that season 2 was awesome or anything. Season 3 was probably the best. Season 5 was almost good, but I think they missed a bit of potential.
I really thought the show should haev ended with season 5.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
The season three villian was definitely the best.
I like season six very much, but I think it belongs to a different show. A sadder, harder, riskier, despairing, not-as-consistent show.
"If high school is hell, then growing up is the ninth circle and there is no end." is the best description I've heard of season six.
Season seven completely blows. I blame Firefly. I love Firefly, but seeing what happened to Buffy when Joss stopped caring, I wish he'd waited a couple years to start it.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
Spoiler Warning...
Season 7 seemed to be their way of saying to die-hard fans who brought it back after Buffy DIED in season 5 that THIS IS IT!!
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
If the message was "If it stays around, it will suck because Joss doesn't care anymore.", then: message recieved. Posted by The White Whale (Member # 6594) on :
quote:Originally posted by Shanna: Totally glad someone bumped this thread.
I finished season 7 last week. I bought the Chosen Collection during the sale on Amazon so I pretty much went through the entire series in about alittle over a month.
. . .
I will probably be started Angel soon but I'm not too excited.
I also just recently finished Buffy (last month) and bought it on the Amazon sale, and have just finished the first season of Angel (also purchased during one of those awesome Amazon sales).
Angel has been alright so far. The characters (Cordellia, Angel, Wesley) are more developed and more interesting, but not nearly as interesting as Buffy/Willow/Giles/Spike etc. I'm hoping it gets better in the next seaoson, but don't have really high hopes.
However, there have been some pretty good moments (at least ones that I enjoyed watching) in the first season of Angel. Now, given, they were the episodes in which appearances were made by Buffy, Oz, Spike, and Faith.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
I have to admit I don't really like Angel the Series. I own the first couple of seasons and plowed through them, but I didn't finish and I have never wanted to rewatch any of them.
Posted by maui babe (Member # 1894) on :
*******POSSIBLE SPOILERS AHEAD*******
I watched Angel first, and loved it. I own all 5 seasons and re-watch favorite episodes/story arcs regularly. I started watching BTVS to learn more about Angel's backstory, but stopped watching after the 2nd season because of all the teen angst and "who's kissing whom this week". Also, Sarah Michelle Gellar drove me crazy at first. One of my favorite scenes in the 1st season of Angel is when Angel tells her off after the incident with Faith. I'd also heard that the 4th season was really weird with the whole Army group story line.
I finished watching seasons 3-7 because my daughter wanted to. I'm glad I did. Once the "Scoobies" got out of high school, I enjoyed the show a LOT more. Except for Dawn. I never liked Dawn. Not just her supernatural origins, but she never rang true to me as a teenaged girl.
Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
quote:Originally posted by Christine: The whole thing with the little boy was just plain stupid. The best part of season 2 was when Spike came in and killed him, thus proclaiming to the world (IMO), that the writers had figured out that nobody liked that bad guy and that we all thought it was pretty much a joke.
Well, not quite. It was more the actor playing the Anointed One was starting to grow again, thus could not convincingly portray an ageless being.
Not that I minded! Spike and Dru were wonderful.
Angel becoming Angelus...that I had problems with, even though he was a great villain. It my first acquaintances with Joss' aversion to his characters having happy, fulfilling relationships. Posted by kwsni (Member # 1831) on :
Kat, I think there are a couple decent episodes in Season 7. Despite annoying firefly crossover, stupid teenage artist girl, and lack of Xander, I really like Conversations with Dead People. The last five minutes or so of Beneath You are good. I like Sleeper, too. But after the potentials and Caleb show up, it sucks.
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