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Is it possible that Dumbledore killed his old pheonix, then created a Horcrux out of the new baby pheonix, thus making himself immortal? Sure, the bird's body dies, but it's soul is the same. So in theory, Dumbledore could contain a part of his soul in his old office. Is it possible?
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
Dumbledore wouldn't do that.
He is not the type to commit murder. He is not the type to split his soul. And I think it has to be a human murder anyway.
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
I think the pheonix would have known this and not have been as mournful.
Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
quote: It's even possible that Dumbledore stayed alive using his own horcrux. We heard much about how it took a murder to tear your soul in pieces in order to save bits of yourself in various artifacts. But Dumbledore might have been able to bring off a similar feat using other means.
(He might even have killed his phoenix -- harmlessly, but no less wrenchingly, in order to do what Voldemort would believe to be impossible to anyone who was not committed to evil.)
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
I actually like the idea that instead of some terribly complicated plot using a pheonix's horcrux, Dumbledore could be alive simply because of the magical world in which they live. But then I'm not convinced Dumbledore wasn't genuinely begging Snape, just for something other than life.
Posted by EndertheJedi (Member # 7889) on :
I really dont think Dumbledore could have made a horcrux out of the Phouenix and have still respect him as a character as much as it talks about them in HBP i get the impression that creating a horcrux, even if you bypassed the murder by killing something that ll just come back, is an act of dark amgicv that wouldnot and bshould not be practice d by normal good people.
also ,I dont think the Pheonix qualifies as a murder. trhe idea of the horcrux IMHO is that the act of killing another person causes the basic goodness each person has to dissipate in the form of some of you rsoul becoming weaker and the dark wizardf uses this fact to extract this new weaker aprt of their soul adn store it to extend thier life. in essence, when you kill someone else part of you also dies. I think that something like this is the theory behin the horcrux.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
I think that this theory is highly improbable since Dumbledore says that Voldemort does not understand the power of an intact soul.
Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
I remember this after book 5 too. People need to stop constructing ideas that will allow their favorite characters a loophole, so they'll live again. People did the same thing with Sirius.
Dumbledore's gone. I'm sorry. Posted by EndertheJedi (Member # 7889) on :
but voldemort woun not necessarrily need to know that his soul is weaker just to perform the ritual that amkes a horcrux. also since he cant die I think voldemort would not mind sacrificing his soul for the power since he believes the only thing a soul is good for is keeping yuo aliveo part of my theory was that murder sucks goodness out of a s oul something voldemort wopuld think of as a power enhancement not destruction.
Posted by Avadaru (Member # 3026) on :
I don't know if this was mentioned in the original Harry Potter thread (and I'm far too lazy to look through it..link me if so?), but my brother-in-law has a theory about horcruxes as well. He thinks that Voldemort might have made Harry a horcrux. I haven't thought this through a lot, but he's curious as to what everyone here thought. I think it sounds like a pretty decent theory. Maybe that is how Harry got some of his powers?
Posted by KEGE (Member # 424) on :
Avadaru - I'm not saavy enough to link it but I just talked about this on the other side of the forum.
Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
quote:is an act of dark amgicv that wouldnot and bshould not be practice d by normal good people.
EndertheJedi, are you typing with mittens on?
Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
I thought that was an interesting theory, but I don't think JK Rowling would create a situation where she has to kill of Harry. That seems to go against her entire buildup of ideas.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Harry is not a horcrux.
And Dumbledore, alas, is really and truly dead.
I think I will have these two lines emblazoned on my forehead. Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
rivka, how BIG is your forehead?
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
I have a high forehead, but yes, they'd have to be in small print.
Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
What rivka said. (In the earlier post, before Tante)
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
We'll match! Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
Can we turn this into some sort of bet in which you have to actually inscribe that on your heads if you turn out to be wrong?
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
What do YOU have to inscribe if we're right?
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
Ordinarily I would definitely expect the dead to remain dead, but I don't see Harry as capable of finding the remaining 6 horcruxes on his own with or without Ron and Hermoine especially within just one year.
Posted by Son of Shvester (Member # 8489) on :
I think harry is horkrux #7 it explanes the similarities between him and Lord Voldy-Thing and i could be possible that no onr can mace more than 5 horkruxes
Posted by Tinros (Member # 8328) on :
Oh, I know Dumbledore is dead. It didn't even have to be Dumbledore, using a pheonix as a horcrux, but he was the only one I know of that has a pheonix. Even if the theory were possible, I wouldn't believe Dumbledore would do that. I think the books are being designed to get Harry to stop relying on others and grow up a bit.
Posted by bunbun (Member # 6814) on :
quote:I think I will have these two lines emblazoned on my forehead.
How about a nice sweater instead of the whole forehead-emblazoning process? I hear it's painful, and tricky to remove.
Posted by Brian J. Hill (Member # 5346) on :
quote:Dumbledore's gone. I'm sorry.
If you mean he's no longer in the world of the living, I will agree. That doesn't mean there isn't more to his death scene than meets the eye. JKR is to tricky for that. However, being dead does not mean he's "gone" in the way that Sirius is. Sirius was too reckless and cocky to predict his own death. It took everyone, especially Sirius, by surprise. On ther other hand, Dumbledore clearly expected his own death to occur sooner rather than later (whether or not he knew Snape was to be involved, I know not.) Thus, he had time to take steps so that he'd be able to help Harry even after his death. This may be through his paintings, two-way mirrors, Penseive memories, or some other way that no one has yet guessed at (I'm still holding out for chocolate frog cards.)
Posted by bunbun (Member # 6814) on :
quote:(I'm still holding out for chocolate frog cards.)
This is a really good point. In Order of the Phoenix, the Ministry of Magic tries to strip Dumbledore of his Merlin status, and his other titles. The Weasley twins relate that all Dumbledore really cares about is being on the chocolate frog cards.
I don't think this is a horcrux, or even part of the real Dumbledore, though--I think it's a shadow of him, just like Harry meets the shadow of his parents after his wands forces priori incantatem (spelling?) on Voldemort's wand.
I agree with rivka and Raia--Dumbledore is gone.*sniff* He's likely hidden something somewhere. He was a wily old guy.*sniff* And I also miss Richard Harris. *sniffsniff*
Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
quote:Originally posted by Son of Shvester: I think harry is horkrux #7 it explanes the similarities between him and Lord Voldy-Thing and i could be possible that no onr can mace more than 5 horkruxes
Are YOU typing with mittens on?
That's it -- the gloves are off. I am going to have to insist on capitalization, punctuation, and just a wee bit of proofreading.
Sheesh! People are going to think that your mother didn't raise you right! Posted by Javert (Member # 3076) on :
This probably has nothing to do with anything, but what ever happened to the old theory of Dumbledore being an animagus? (In case no one knows what I'm talking about, two clues to this are the fact that Dumbledore always seemed to know what was going on where he shouldn't have, and his name happens to mean White Bumblebee.)
I'm really just thinking outloud here, but if he was an animagus, could that have any affect on anything? I'm not trying to create another "Dumbledore lives" loophole, but it still is something to think about.
Also, exactly who did the magic that created the white tomb? Everyone at the funeral seemed surprised about it. I believe the book is trying to make us believe that Falkes created it...but is that really within the powers of a pheonix to do? (I don't know if that last sentence was gramatically correct, but it's early and it sounds okay for now. )
Posted by KEGE (Member # 424) on :
Is there a way to merge this discussion with the exact same one currently underway on the other side of the forum??
That way I won't be compelled to read 2 although you've been spared my lengthy, citation filled posts that the other side has had to scroll through. Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by bunbun:
quote:I think I will have these two lines emblazoned on my forehead.
How about a nice sweater instead of the whole forehead-emblazoning process? I hear it's painful, and tricky to remove.
Bleh! With how hot it's been here lately? Posted by Javert (Member # 3076) on :
What you should do, rivka, is emblazone it on everyone else's foreheads, only backwards so it can be read in a mirror. Like ambulances.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Oooooh! I like that idea!
Ok, the first thing I am going to need is a branding iron with that stamped on it . . . Posted by CaySedai (Member # 6459) on :
All you will need is a branding iron with "rivka was right" on it ... Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
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