Did anyone else see Kanye West and Mike Myers on the NBC Benefit Concert for hurricane relief?
Kanye clearly went off script and Mike Myers was obviously shocked by this. When West made the statement "George Bush doesn't care about black people", they quickly switched cameras to Chris Tucker who I think was eating a sandwich, either way it was clearly not scripted.
quote:“I hate the way they portray us in the media. If you see a black family, it says they’re looting. See a white family, it says they’re looking for food.
quote: “George Bush doesn’t care about black people” and said America is set up “to help the poor, the black people, the less well-off as slow as possible.”
I understand his anger, but he picked the worst possible time to say it.
Posted by Stark (Member # 6831) on :
Another racist who fails to realize that the real line in this country is drawn between rich and poor, not black and white.
Posted by bunbun (Member # 6814) on :
Whatever he believes, it was very poorly timed--this program was designed to encourage people to contribute to the rescue and cleanup effort in New Orleans. Angry people don't write checks.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
He is a joke.
Posted by foundling (Member # 6348) on :
If you were a black person following the media storm of what is going on in New Orleans right now, you might be a little unreasonably pissed yourself. I'm white, and it's pissing me off. There has been an inordinate amount of coverage about the violence and looting perpetrated by african americans during this disaster. When he says "If you see a black family, it says they’re looting. See a white family, it says they’re looking for food.", he is mostly right. And when he talks about the way the US is set up for disaster relief, with poor people and black people sent help last, well, you can see where he would think that, with the amazing lack of response the government has shown to this disaster, in an overwhelmingly poor and non-white area.
I'm not saying he chose the right forum to air his thoughts, but you could see him shaking with passion and anger when he spoke. He probably felt this was the only time he would really be able to get his point across, and that it needed to be said. I applaud his bravery, in saying what he really felt, instead of sticking to a milk pap script, even if I dont completely agree with his message.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
Is bravery in the pursuit of harmful insults a virtue?
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
The problem with showing mostly African Americans doing the looting is that, well, most of the people still in the city at the time were African American. That had to do with demographics, not racism, that's who lived in those areas of the city and many of the people in the Superdome were from the Ninth Ward area, which is mostly government housing and predominantly minority.
I did see whites going into the superdome and I've seen whites and hispanics on the media looting, but not all that many. And that's not because the media is purposefully editing the coverage, I don't think, I think it's just because that's who is there.
I did see many arrest photos from Mississippi of looters that were white or hispanic, along with looters that were African American and it seemed as if they were all being treated the same way by the police and the media.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
I also have seen a ton of pictures of dead and dying people, mostly black, followed my people sending in huge amounts of money.
I have seen pictures of black people doing wonderful things trying to help their fellow man, and have seen a lot of stories of people of all races and creeds donating funds and supplies, and of rescue workers trying to help.
I dislike Bush, but this was hurtful, divisive, ane insulting, and I hope his "career" tanks because of this. . He just got his 15 min of fame, and he chose to be a racist with it.
He had no problem with taking white peoples money, and I bet he will still be fairly rich after all of this....so he is really part of the problem, rather than part of the solution.
Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
It was probably not the best time for Kanye West to voice his opinion in on this matter, but it was his opinion to voice.
George W. Bush has been extremely rich people friendly, poigntly noted in the Farenhieght 9/11 video where George W. Bush says "Good to see you, the Haves and the Have mores, or as i like to call you, my base."
The republican party did have a long Southern Strategy of being anti-black, which they have acknowledged and apologized for.
So was it poor taste?
Yes.
But...
Bush has caused far more damage to this country, its future and the world, than Kanye West's words ever could.
Posted by The Silverblue Sun (Member # 1630) on :
And,
The Honorable Leonard Pitts of the Miami Herald pretty much said the same thing Kanye West said in a much better, more thought out column.
Posted by foundling (Member # 6348) on :
"Is bravery in the pursuit of harmful insults a virtue?"
See, I dont see how most of what he had to say was "harmful insult".
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
Calling Dubya an uncaring racist is an insult.
Posted by Uhleeuh (Member # 6803) on :
What if it's true? Still an insult?
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
And it's also certainly harmful, for reasons described here.
Posted by JaimeBenlevy (Member # 6222) on :
Question: Is Bush actually considered a racist? My cousin and uncle said that the reason New Orleans isn't getting as much help as they should be is because New Orleans is mostly black and Bush is racist. I tried to ask why they think that but I got yelled at a whole lot. Does anyone else believe that he is racist and can provide reasons for it?
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
An insult can be true and still be an insult (note: I'm not saying it IS true, just arguing the abstract).
It can also be very poorly timed, which this was.
Posted by Mintieman (Member # 4620) on :
quote:Originally posted by Kwea:
I dislike Bush, but this was hurtful, divisive, ane insulting, and I hope his "career" tanks because of this. . He just got his 15 min of fame, and he chose to be a racist with it.
This is a tad off topic but 15 minutes of fame? I think he's well aware of his status famewise, and the fact that many of his fans (of which a much larger percentage is white then most other rappers) will listen to him. He thought that this issue needed to be talked about far more, and he made his stand.
Posted by The Silverblue Sun (Member # 1630) on :
Bush is very, very, very PRO RICH.
A very large percentage of black people are not rich. Bush may not be racist, but sure as Heaven he doesn't know what it's like to be poor.
Bill Clinton was the closest thing America has ever had to a "Black President", and en mass Republicans HATED HIS GUTS and DAMNED HIM TO HELL.
Is America racist and sexist?
EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN PRESIDENT has been a White Man.
How many have their been? 43?
America enslaved black people for the color of their skin.
Fookin' A, B.
Let Kanye speak.
Don't like it?
Don't watch, don't listen.
Posted by The Silverblue Sun (Member # 1630) on :
You white people should listen to Kanye West's "Jesus Walks" it is very, very cool.
Let me guess, a lot of you don't like "that type of music".
It's a great song.
And a Great song is more important to this world that anything 90% of politicians do.
Posted by Treason (Member # 7587) on :
I wish I could see this video, but I have a mac and Quicktime:(
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
quote:Don't like it?
Don't watch, don't listen.
No, don't like it, exercise our own freedom of speech to say exactly what we think of him and his lies.
Posted by The Silverblue Sun (Member # 1630) on :
George W. Bush fights people he believes are the devil. He fights them with money, bombs and guns, Kanye may believe that George W. Bush is on the devil's team, so if he fights him with words and songs so be it.
Word and Song is MORE GODLY than guns, money and bombs.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Well, keep on singing, Thor...
I will pay as much attention to you as I usually do...
Which is to say little to none.
How's that world changing book coming? Posted by RoyHobbs (Member # 7594) on :
President Bush has placed ENORMOUS amounts of trust and responsibility in the hands of minorities in his administratio - Condi Rice, Colin Powell and Alberto Gonzales just to name 3.
A racist?
C'mon, it's just not true.
Posted by bunbun (Member # 6814) on :
quote: Word and Song is MORE GODLY than guns, money and bombs.
I dont know how Bush feels about people of different races. I dont know him, and I dont trust the media to give an accurate portrayal of anything having to do with his personal life. So, I cant call Bush a racist. I dont think that is what Kanye does. He says that Bush doesnt care about black people, and that the way this country is run stacks up against them. Mr Bush has displayed plenty of care for the wealthy, and not a whole hell of a lot for anybody else. That includes poverty stricken black and white people. I like Kanye. I like his music, and I think he is an interesting person. I agree with much of what he says, regardless of how uncomfortable it makes me or others. And Kwea, TSS makes a lot of valid points that you have mockingly brushed aside. I'm guessing he really doesnt care a whole hell of a lot that you dont listen to his song. I know I wouldnt.
Posted by bunbun (Member # 6814) on :
quote:and that the way this country is run stacks up against them.
Kanye went a lot further than that. The transcript of his comments are here.
Here's the part that concerns me the most:
quote: So anybody out there that wants to do anything that we can help -- with the way America is set up to help the poor, the black people, the less well-off, as slow as possible. I mean, the Red Cross is doing everything they can. We already realize a lot of people that could help are at war right now, fighting another way -- and they've given them permission to go down and shoot us!
What this means, precisely, is not clear to me, but the last sentence sounds like he thinks New Orleans is under martial law. If you've spent any time on Hatrack the last two days, you know that's not the case. Accordingly, no one has permission to shoot anyone. A state of emergency has been declared; that's very different.
If you like Kanye, great; he's gotten a lot of buzz recently. Even Gold Digger is pretty catchy. However, his comments on the benefit were unfounded, poorly timed, and I think I'd need a degree in semiotics to make any coherent sense of them. I'm particulary disturbed by the fact that he choose to participate in a network event if he didn't think he could deliver the comments prepared for him. As someone said, Don't like it? Don't watch, don't listen.
Kanye West hijacked that benefit, plain and simple.
Posted by foundling (Member # 6348) on :
Well, part of what he might mean is explained here: ABC News
There are some horrible things going on right now in New Orleans. Anarchy can bring out the scum of the earth, and law enforcement officers need to be able to protect the innocent any way they can.
However, I find these words disturbing: "These troops are fresh back from Iraq, well trained, experienced, battle-tested and under my orders to restore order in the streets.
"They have M-16s and they are locked and loaded.
"These troops know how to shoot and kill and they are more than willing to do so if necessary and I expect they will."
These soldiers wont be fighting insurgents bent on killing as many of them as possible. They will mostly be dealing with desperate people who need to steal to survive.
One police officer "admitted that a number of police officers who had lost everything in flooding after Hurricane Katrina had handed in their badges, unwilling to take the fight to looters." They recognize that these people are just trying to survive. Will troops with guns fresh to the scene feel the same way? Lets hope so.
Posted by bunbun (Member # 6814) on :
quote:A National Guardsman was shot outside the Superdome and a shot was also fired at a Chinook helicopter taking part in the operation to move refugees out of the stadium, officials said.
The National Guard is on the scene because NO's local law enforcement has effectively abdicated its duties after a prolonged period of stress.
quote: W. J. Riley, the assistant superintendent of police, said there were about 1,200 officers on duty on Saturday. He said the department was not sure how many officers had decided to abandon their posts and how many simply could not get to work.
quote: {New Orleans law enforcement} recognize that these people are just trying to survive. Will troops with guns fresh to the scene feel the same way? Lets hope so.
There's a vast difference between trying to find food for your family and trying to shoot down a Chinook helicopter. No one with that type of firepower is "just trying to survive." Stabilization efforts--aimed at people trying to shoot down helicopters--are not fun exercises; they are an integral part of being able to supply the poor with things they need, like food, water and medicine.
As you have indicated,
quote: Anarchy can bring out the scum of the earth.
So what is your point, exactly? The National Guard, who apparently has nothing better to do, is going to descend on New Orleans to "misunderstand" gunfire around the Superdome? That they will somehow be confused by the notion that they must provide food to the hungry?
Posted by foundling (Member # 6348) on :
"There's a vast difference between trying to find food for your family and trying to shoot down a Chinook helicopter. No one with that type of firepower is "just trying to survive." Stabilization efforts--aimed at people trying to shoot down helicopters--are not fun exercises; they are an integral part of being able to supply the poor with things they need, like food, water and medicine."
This paragraph I agree with completely. Like I said, there are bad people out there doing bad things, and security forces are there to stop them.
However, this: "So what is your point, exactly? The National Guard, who apparently has nothing better to do, is going to descend on New Orleans to "misunderstand" gunfire around the Superdome? That they will somehow be confused by the notion that they must provide food to the hungry?", I dont get. I thought my point was pretty clear. That when Kanye west said "and they've given them permission to go down there and shoot us", he wasnt pulling crap out of his ass. You said "Accordingly, no one has permission to shoot anyone. A state of emergency has been declared; that's very different." That is no longer true. National Gaurdsmen, who dont really have anything better do than save a city full of people, have been given permission to "shoot to kill". A black man has reason to be nervous in a situation like this.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Yes, he was. They have been permittied to exchange fire with people who shoot at them...so unless he figures ONLY blacks will be doing that, he is full of crap to put it politely.
No one has given anyone orders (or permission) to go into town and start shooting anyone, unless they are under fire themselves.
Stop shooting at me vs stop stealing food...
Big friggin difference.
Posted by bunbun (Member # 6814) on :
quote:National Gaurdsmen, who dont really have anything better do than save a city full of people, have been given permission to "shoot to kill". A black man has reason to be nervous in a situation like this.
A shoot to kill order does not mean that they have permission to shoot anyone they think deserving on site. We're not talking about National Guardsmen being authorized to shoot people stealing bread.
quote:"We have individuals who are getting raped, we have individuals who are getting beaten," Compass said. "Tourists are walking in that direction and they are getting preyed upon."
quote: A day after Nagin took 1,500 police officers off search-and-rescue duty to try to restore order in the streets, there were continued reports of looting, shootings, gunfire and carjackings.
Any man has to be nervous under these conditions. These aren't traffic stops, it's an organized attempt whose sole purpose is to save people by giving them food and water--where do you think the confusion comes in?
Posted by The Silverblue Sun (Member # 1630) on :
So has America been good and fair to black people?
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
Ask a relevant question, Thor.
Posted by Occasional (Member # 5860) on :
Have black people been good and fair to America?
Posted by Eldrad (Member # 8578) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Silverblue Sun: It's a free country.
It was probably not the best time for Kanye West to voice his opinion in on this matter, but it was his opinion to voice.
George W. Bush has been extremely rich people friendly, poigntly noted in the Farenhieght 9/11 video where George W. Bush says "Good to see you, the Haves and the Have mores, or as i like to call you, my base."
The republican party did have a long Southern Strategy of being anti-black, which they have acknowledged and apologized for.
So was it poor taste?
Yes.
But...
Bush has caused far more damage to this country, its future and the world, than Kanye West's words ever could.
We may live in a free country, but when West voiced his opinion during a benefit special on a network's airtime that he didn't pay for, he doesn't have the right to voice it on national television at that time. He shouldn't have used airtime that wasn't his to do this, particularly when it's to raise money to help the people of New Orleans. Quoting Fahrenheit 9/11 is like quoting a piece of propaganda. Even Moore, when confronted with the fallacies of the movie, called it such. Either way, though, both of the major parties in this country have at their base the rich; it's where they get the money to run campaigns. You seem to forget that Abraham Lincoln was president during the Civil War. Oh yeah, he was a Republican. This isn't to say that the Republican party hasn't treated blacks badly, but it was a nationwide trend to do so, so the blame doesn't lie solely with them; at least they did more than the Democratic party did. As RoyHobbs stated, Bush has appointed a number of minority people to his administration. Calling him a racist is unfair and untrue.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Republicans of the 19th century and Republicans of the 21st century would get into a fist fight over policy if they ever met each other.
It's comparing apples to oranges.
Theodore Roosevelt was a Republican too. He'd be called a radical liberal today.
Be careful.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
I think it depends on who you ask, what ideology TR would be called today Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
That's a good point.
What do you think personally?
Just curious.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
I don't think so, he sponsered the largest social program of all time, the very thing that the Repblicans ridicule and protest agains these days. Hell, they run entire campaigns using a "that isn't us" platform, and win. Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I thought Franklin Roosevelt sponsored the largest social program of all time?
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
I'm not sure WHERE I'd put him, but 'liberal' and 'gunboat diplomacy' don't mix, do they?
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
LBJ did more than FDR, although the New Deal was a bigger change from the status quo than the Great Society was.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
No I suppose not Rakeesh. I'd say in foreign relations he is closer to a 21st century Republican. But in almost all domestic policies he's more akin to a 21st century liberal.
Posted by Leaf (Member # 7880) on :
Kanye West.....
What a jackass. I think it was uncalled for and racist. But whatever... I won't get started on the screwed up view of racism in todays society. I hope his career suffers from his poor timing and 'everyone's against us' attitude, but I know that his target audience loved it... and he will only get more fame. Everyone who hated him before still does, only more. He doesnt care though. He's laughing at the hate all the way to the bank, in his mercedes.. stretch limo... with platinum diamond rims....
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Who hated Kanye before this?
Posted by Leaf (Member # 7880) on :
I'm gonna have to say that I did.....
Also... Uhm.... people who mostly listen to country or classical music. Perhaps... fans of punk and ect.
btw... when I say 'hate'.....
'hate' = disliking his music and world views ect.... not... I hate that person and I hope they drop a hammer on the toe when not wearing shoes... hate.
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
I mostly listen to classical music, and I'd never heard of this guy before this video.
I still only have a very vague idea of who he is.
I feel bad for Mike Myers in that video, though.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Ahhh, while I do know the difference between them, I had a brain fart and though you were talking about FDR...sorry 'bout that.. Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I like his remake of "Though the Wire." But other than that I can't stand rap/hip-hop.
But I always liked him a little bit more, because he was championed as the artists who wasn't talking about bitches and hoes.
Posted by Leaf (Member # 7880) on :
Yeah... I feel bad for him and chris tucker who was unprepared for the switch...
It was funny to watch mike myers while he's saying all of that crap....
Watch for his almost double take when he says "GB doesnt care about B. P." .... pretty funny
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
In her press conference Condoleeza Rice seemed very angry at the mere suggestion that the government didn't care about people due to color.
Posted by erosomniac (Member # 6834) on :
Don't make assumptions about who "hated" Kanye before (or after) this.
I can't stand 99.95% of rap/hip hop/modern r&b/punk/pseudo-glam rock/pseudo-alternative/emo/"indie"/pretty much anything that gets played on the radio these days.
But I think on the whole, Kanye has been taking steps to spread a message (which I happen to agree with), using the means most readily available to him.
He did the same thing with this broadcast, and it was wildly inappropriate, damaging, and hurtful to many. But I don't think for a second that he said it with the intention of hurting the victims and their families of the tragedy. So while I certainly think he should apologize at some point, I don't think what he said makes him a terrible person.
You hope his career tanks? Dream on - purely by talking about it, you're helping him.
Posted by CStroman (Member # 6872) on :
I don't know who Kayne is. Doesn't appear he has anything of value to say in a time of crisis to help the crisis.
And I don't ususally look towards talented musicians with apparently small intelligence for sage wisdom.
I hope his big mouth didn't cost the concert any money, otherwise he needs to apologize to those it was meant to benefit.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
I'm with Stroman, never heard his name before I read this thread.
What he said was in poor taste, and not backed up by facts. I agree that he may well have cost victims money. I hope the "message" he spread is worth it, considering what it may have cost the people who needed the help the most.
Posted by Leaf (Member # 7880) on :
He did the same thing with this broadcast, and it was wildly inappropriate, damaging, and hurtful to many. But I don't think for a second that he said it with the intention of hurting the victims and their families of the tragedy. So while I certainly think he should apologize at some point, I don't think what he said makes him a terrible person.
You hope his career tanks? Dream on - purely by talking about it, you're helping him.
................................................
Well, did you read my post at all?? I HOPE he suffers from it, but I KNOW that he won't. There's no need to tell me that esp. if I've already said it. And I don't think he said anything to hurt the victims of Katrina... And I never did say that. I just do not like the man, deal with it. That's my opinion and you don't have to agree, so let's move on. I don't think it was a matter of race why the response was so bad in N.O. and other cities, and I think that saying so is slightly racist and really... just plain stupid. oh well though.......
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Why is saying race might have played a role racist?
Who is it racist against?
If anything, it's classist.
Posted by Leaf (Member # 7880) on :
whatever... classist... racist. The point is... shut up Kanye West. That's what I really wanted to say. And shut up all rap artists. Except for Snoop Dog.
drop it like it's hot. Posted by erosomniac (Member # 6834) on :
Leaf:
Here's what you said.
quote:I hope his career suffers from his poor timing and 'everyone's against us' attitude, but I know that his target audience loved it... and he will only get more fame. Everyone who hated him before still does, only more. He doesnt care though. He's laughing at the hate all the way to the bank, in his mercedes.. stretch limo... with platinum diamond rims....
Here's what I said.
quote:You hope his career tanks? Dream on - purely by talking about it, you're helping him.
I'm well aware you know that his career won't tank. My response was pointing out that by even talking about him, you're actively helping his career NOT tank, which is working against what you "hope" for - which I find silly.
Also, if YOU had read any of the OTHER posts on this thread, you would recognize that my response was directed at several other posts on the thread - so many that I didn't bother quoting them. I apologize if that confused you. I assumed that you would recognize that because the first four paragraphs had nothing to do with your post, you would assume I wasn't talking about you, not that I was trying to put words in your mouth.
I won't assume any such things in the future. That's how I'll deal with your opinion.
Posted by Leaf (Member # 7880) on :
werd. That's hot
Oh H.rackers.....
Let's not be mean. sorry on my part.
p.s.
Ray Nagin > Kanye West.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I think Kanye has a better chance of winning a Grammy than Ray Nagin does however.
Posted by Leaf (Member # 7880) on :
I think so too. But I think Ray Nagin is way cooler... and has a better chance of moving up and being good politically. Anyone else hear that interview on the radio station LLW or something in it's entirety? Good stuff. Good stuff indeed. If no one has heard it... I can provide linkage.. but later on tonight. (I am at work right now) -leaf
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I'd love to see him move up to a higher office. He's a straight shooter.
Posted by Leaf (Member # 7880) on :
cool. Everyone check that out. RIGHT NOW
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
quote: I'm with Stroman, never heard his name before I read this thread.
Well, in all fairness, neither you nor Chad are in West's core demo.
Posted by Leaf (Member # 7880) on :
quote:Originally posted by TomDavidson: Well, in all fairness, neither you nor Chad are in West's core demo. [/QB]
haha.... gg
Posted by The Silverblue Sun (Member # 1630) on :
after watching the clip, I think it was Kanye's call for black people to help black people.
meaning "black people we need y'all to help black people" because "George W. Bush doesn't like black people".
Remember, in the 2000 election, 90% of black people didn't vote for the men, so kanye was a black man talking to black people, and now you have white people telling a black man to shut up on a predominatly white forum.
quote:Have black people been good and fair to America?
Pre-slavery, or Post slavery?
Pre-3/5ths human or Post 3/5's human?
Pre right to vote or post right to vote?
Posted by bunbun (Member # 6814) on :
quote:meaning "black people we need y'all to help black people" because "George W. Bush doesn't like black people".
Assuming that Kanye's an intelligent man, do you think that he was unaware these comments would provoke controversy?
Posted by littlemissattitude (Member # 4514) on :
*sigh*
I know pretty much nothing about Kanye West, besides the fact that he is a celebrity in the music world.
My feeling about this whole tempest in a teapot is that George Bush is not so much racist as he is classist. So, Kanye West probably made a statement that was not factually true. But it was abundantly clear that Mr. West was quite upset about what has been going on in New Orleans, and sometimes people say things that feel emotionally true but are not factually true when they are upset. And, even though I'm as white as they come, I can see how it might seem to people of color that there are racist overtones to the unconscionably long amount of time it took to get the federal government mobilized to take care of this emergency.
So, I feel inclined to cut Kanye West a break on this one.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Go ahead...I won't, but then again while I don't dislike his music I wasn't going to go out and buy his CD either. I did enjoy him at the Grammys, but that doesn't mean I think he has a clue, sitting in his limo covered in gold.
We MUST be racist, since no one black can succeed in this country.
Wait a second....
Posted by CStroman (Member # 6872) on :
quote:Well, in all fairness, neither you nor Chad are in West's core demo.
I'll take that as a compliment.
Thank you.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
quote:Originally posted by CStroman:
quote:Well, in all fairness, neither you nor Chad are in West's core demo.
I'll take that as a compliment.
Thank you.
That comment almost makes me wish I was.......
Almost.
Posted by CStroman (Member # 6872) on :
Hehe.
Posted by The Silverblue Sun (Member # 1630) on :
Last night I went to a friends BBQ,
there were 2 white guys (I was one of them), 2 black guys, 2 Indian Guys, 6 asian guys and 3 asian girls.
All of us took Kanye's side.
fo shizzle.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
All that proves is that idiocy knows no racial boundary.
I already knew that.
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
I was going to ask the question whether Bush can really be considered racist. I did a search and Bingo! There had already been a thread. Love it.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I don't think he is racist at all. I think he is classist however.
Posted by Treason (Member # 7587) on :
"All that proves is that idiocy knows no racial boundary.
I already knew that."
Oh that was mean-evil but awesome! I cracked up, thanks Kwea.
Posted by Hmm216 (Member # 8403) on :
I totally disagree with Kanye. Sure we have freedom of speech but that was deffinately the wrong place at the wrong time.
He can think what he wants about Bush, whatever, but to make public statements saying that people were ordered to shoot black people is completely unacceptable.
Plus, the mayor of NO is black, and it was his responsibility to evacuate the citizens of the city. He had plenty of school busses at his disposal he could have used to evacuate those who were unable to evacuate themselves. Did Kanye make any statements about that???
Celeberties just need to think before they make public statements like that.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I'd say that people in general need to think before they make any sort of public statement at all. If Bush can't, I don't expect much better of anyone else.
But in reality, it was the heat of the moment and he was upset. Yes he showed poor judgement, but somewhere in there were good intentions.
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