Will anyone donate a Bible to me? As some of you know, I just moved out and while I am settling things down, and getting a job, I would really like to have my own Bible. I found a site that was giving out free King James versions, but they are not available in California, which sucks big time. I'm a Roman Catholic if that helps in deciding which version you'd like to donate to me. I personally do not know why some versions are called "King James" or the book of Mormor or stuff, I do not know the differece between version. I would preffer both testaments, but whatever part of the Lord's word you can give, I'd appreciate greatly.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
The Mormons will give you a Bible. KJV, too. Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
(You know you can also read the Bible online, right?)
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
Seriously, if you don't mind missionaries showing up at your door, I can give you a phone number to call and the Church will give you a Bible. Or just send one over.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
Or you can order one for $7 (free shipping) from the Church's website and not worry about anyone contacting you.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
I'm just having waaay too much fun being the only one posting on this thread. Posted by Altáriël of Dorthonion (Member # 6473) on :
I know I can read the Bible online, but I don't want to be glued to my computer 24/7...I was looking at Mormon.org though, is that a different version of the Bible? Anyway, I just remembered that I forgot to tell you guys that I prefer to read the Bible in Spanish. I'll try to find one of those online, if I cannot then I'll take anything from you guys or the Mormons. I just want to have one.
Posted by Valentine014 (Member # 5981) on :
I'm sure they have in Spanish too. The Church of Latter Day Saints will also provide you with a free copy of the Kings James Version.
Posted by Altáriël of Dorthonion (Member # 6473) on :
Really? They have it in Spanish too? Thanks! BTW, what's the difference in the versions?
Posted by Altáriël of Dorthonion (Member # 6473) on :
They do not offer it in Spanish...
Posted by Altáriël of Dorthonion (Member # 6473) on :
I just ordered one though, I figure its better than an empty place in my nightstand.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
No, it's not a different version of the Bible.
We have cross-indexing in our Bibles to other scriptures, but nothing says you have to use them. It's the standard KJV Bible.
Yes, they have it in Spanish. Would you like me to request you one in Spanish, or would you like me to give you a number to call?
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
Alt, they do offer it in Spanish. You just have to call and ask them.
Posted by Altáriël of Dorthonion (Member # 6473) on :
Really? I'll go check again.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
The number is 1-888-LDS-7700.
I'm pretty sure they can help you out with a Bible in Spanish.
Posted by Theaca (Member # 8325) on :
You can get Spanish bibles very cheap or even free on ebay, but I see you already ordered one.
Posted by CaySedai (Member # 6459) on :
Order church materials in Spanish (scroll down to 80601002 Bible, hardcover, Spanish - it's $9) If you click on the link, it says: "Spanish. The Church does not produce a Latter-day Saint edition of the Bible in Spanish. The 1960 Cipriano de Valera version is authorized for Church use." There are also other styles with other prices.
Edited to add: I found it by clicking on "Order church materials in Spanish" from the Online Distribution Center, rather than going to the Scriptures link.
[ September 07, 2005, 03:55 AM: Message edited by: CaySedai ]
Posted by Altáriël of Dorthonion (Member # 6473) on :
I looked for a Spanish Bible in Ebay, but couldn;t find one for free...
Posted by Theaca (Member # 8325) on :
Oops, looks like the Spanish version is an "ebook" so I assume that would be on the computer, not printed.
See, I've tried over and over to make links smaller and it never works. I don't have time for the frustration today.
[ September 07, 2005, 08:43 AM: Message edited by: Theaca ]
Posted by CaySedai (Member # 6459) on :
Theaca:
There are 2 ways to prevent that long URL problem.
1) Use the Full Reply Form. Click on URL. Paste the URL into the window and click OK. Type something that describes the URL, even if it's just "Link" and click OK.
2) Go to TinyURL and paste the link into the box and click on "Make TinyURL!" and it will give you something like this: http://tinyurl.com/e39cx. (I used your link.)
You can go back and edit your post and use my TinyURL or get your own, or use the URL function from the UBB code. Having the long URL can make the whole thread wide enough that sideways scrolling is necessary. I am one of those people who simply don't want to scroll sideways to read a post.
I'll stop picking now, sorry. Lack of sleep and children who won't get out of bed are contributing to my crankiness. Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
Altáriël of Dorthonion
Send me your address (to my e-mail in my profile) and I will mail you a Bible. Probably NIV version.
Farmgirl
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
Alt, I don't know if I have one that I can send that hasn't been marked up or had a corner of the cover chewed by a baby, but would be happy to help you find one. My doctor is a Gideon, and I know that if you contacted the Gideons they would help get you a KJV with no strings attached and never contact you again. That's the number one focus of the Gideons - distributing the Bible.
They might be able to point you to a local Gideons chapter that can get a Bible to you.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
Or you could take Farmgirl up on her offer. She's a cool one, that Farmgirl.
Posted by Jim-Me (Member # 6426) on :
The difference in the versions, Alt, is that they are based on different translations. Also, most versions being offered here are not going to contain certain books that are part of the Roman Catholic Bible.
Your church won't provide you with one?
Posted by Papa Moose (Member # 1992) on :
I believe the authorized Roman Catholic version is the New American Bible (not to be confused with New American Standard). I don't have that, but I can give you a King James, New Revised Standard, or several Today's English Version new testaments. My parents may well have an extra New American, though, and they live in San Diego. Next time we're down (probably this month) I can find out, and maybe deliver it to you personally.
--Pop
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
I was going to say what Jim-Me said. Most versions presented thus far won't provide the books of the Apocrypha, which are found in the Catholic translations of the Bible.
One of the apocrypha books is the Book of Tobit, which is a pretty good read.
The translation we used in my theology courses at my (catholic) college was the New Revised Standard Version.
Different versions of the bible are by and large different translations from the Hebrew Old Testament and the Greek New Testament. Because of the differences between English, Greek, and Hebrew, there's different approaches to translation. You can do transliterations (word for word) or full-on translating, trying to capture the meaning of the phrase instead of word for word). When I took Koine Greek (the greek found in the new testament), we translated a lot of stuff ourselves, as well as comparing a bunch of different translations.
I'll see if I can find any of my notes on comparisons. Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Here's some stuff: 1 Corinthians 13:12
This is a very hard verse to translate.
The verse in Koine Greek (I'm not sure how to make Greek letters appear so am using the English letter equivalents):
Blepomen gar arti di esoptrou en ainigmati tote de prosopon pros prosopon arti ginosko ek merous tote de epognosomai kathos kai epegnosthen.
New American Standard: For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known.
New International Version: Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
King James Version: For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
New Revised Standard Version: For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then we will see face to face. Now I know only in part; then I will know fully, even as I have been fully known.
The hard part is that several of those words have not on meaning but...several. And because the verse in question is a tougher part of theology, the verse becomes that much harder to translate.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
I would be happy to provide you with some of the great works of philosophy instead of a Bible, if you'd like.
Posted by Bokonon (Member # 480) on :
And for the record, the KJV, while agreed to be the most aesthetically pleasing, is also considered by many biblical scholars to be the least faithful to the source material.
-Bok
Posted by digging_holes (Member # 6237) on :
Actually, the KJV was a very good translation for its time. The trouble was with the source material itself, as the earliest manuscripts they had to work with dated from the late middle-ages. Since literally thousands of much older manuscripts (and presumable closer to the original texts) have been found since then, new translations are generally considered to be more reliable.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
You could aways go to a motel with someone for a one night stand, and take the one in the room afterwards...
Kwea
Posted by Dobbie (Member # 3881) on :
If there is one of these stores near you, you could probably find Bibles there for $1.00.
Posted by jexx (Member # 3450) on :
Go to a church and ask a priest.
Simple, and true. I am certain that there is a Spanish-speaking Catholic church fairly near you. I am fairly certain they will have 'extra' Spanish-language Catholic bibles they can lend you. When you have some money, make a donation, and then ethically, the Bible will be yours!
Or you can take the good advice also provided in this thread.
Buena Suerte!
Posted by Altáriël of Dorthonion (Member # 6473) on :
quote:Originally posted by Kwea: You could aways go to a motel with someone for a one night stand, and take the one in the room afterwards...
Kwea
Posted by Altáriël of Dorthonion (Member # 6473) on :
Thank you guys for your concern. As I've said, I have already ordered one from the Mormon website, but receiving a gift from a Hatracker would be priceless. The nearest church to me is the Mission San Diego de Alcala.
Posted by Altáriël of Dorthonion (Member # 6473) on :
If I recieved a visit from Pop, aww. That would be such a Kodak moment in my life. I would actually meet characters from one of my favorite books! Posted by Altáriël of Dorthonion (Member # 6473) on :
And ironically, he would be giving me a book too. Do all book characters give books? I wonder.. Posted by Papa Moose (Member # 1992) on :
John Binder sure does....
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
*thwap*
Posted by Taalcon (Member # 839) on :
quote:Originally posted by TomDavidson: I would be happy to provide you with some of the great works of philosophy instead of a Bible, if you'd like.
Heck, I'd take you up on that offer. 'Course, I already have a Bible. *grin*.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Only one?
Poser... Posted by Taalcon (Member # 839) on :
Actually, I have tons of Bibles.
I am certainly not one of the folks screaming, "A Bible! A Bible! We have a bible, and there can be no more Bible!" - I say, bring 'em on!
I've got a JPS Tanakh, a Parallel containing the NIV/NASB/KJV/NLT, a Zondervan KJV Study Bible, a CEV, a NWT, a HCSB, a New Jerusalem Catholic Study Bible, a NRSV with w/ Apocrypha, a KJV Apocrypha-Only, and, of course, the LDS fully-annoted KJV edition.
This is aside from all the different comparative translation websites I have bookmarked.
And then there's my Pseudepigraphal and Apocryphal texts, Historical texts (Josephus, Ecclesiastical History, etc) as well as multiple editions of the Book of Mormon.
I even own two hardcopy translations of the Qur'an , with a third on the the way.
I'm a total geek when it comes to religious texts.
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[side note] You know, I only found out the origins of "through a glass darkly" a year or two ago. I always thought it was Shakespeare. [/side note]
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
Tom, I'd totally take you up on that. Is it only for people who want Bibles?
Posted by Altáriël of Dorthonion (Member # 6473) on :
BTW, I'd like the books if you can spare them Tom. Its been some time since I've read something worth reading.
Posted by Altáriël of Dorthonion (Member # 6473) on :
quote:Originally posted by Altáriël of Dorthonion: If I recieved a visit from Pop, aww. That would be such a Kodak moment in my life. I would actually meet characters from one of my favorite books!
Correction, I'd meet two. If Mama comes along of course.
Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
Out of curiousity, Tom, what great works of philosophy would you send someone?
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding -- Hume Tao te Ching -- Lao Tzu Spiritual Couplets - Rumi Meditations - Marcus Aurelius The Republic -- Plato The Prince -- Machiavelli Beyond Good and Evil -- Nietzsche Being and Nothingness -- Sartre The Critique of Pure Reason -- Kant Discourse on Method -- Descartes Ethics -- Spinoza The World as Will and Representation -- Schopenhauer
I would not include Wittgenstein, Hegel, nor Aquinas, whom I've always considered blathering idiots. I consider Saul Kripke important (since he basically found a way to redeem Wittgenstein's semantic obsessions and address common-sense problems like the liar paradox through the most sensible explanation of "truth" that I've seen yet), but most of his stuff -- where written at all -- is rather dull to read, and it's not always obvious to a casual reader why it matters. Aristotle's a bit passe, and I include Descartes' Discourse on Method and not his First Philosophy because the Cartesian Method is invaluable, yet his own use of it is hypocritical nearly to the point of metaphorical rape. (That said, I think Spinoza adequately criticizes Descartes' First Philosophy definition of God, and so I think Descartes is useful background for a reading of Ethics, although of course my own position on Ethics is that it's basically what you'd get if Thomas Jefferson wrote Dianetics in Latin.) Leviathan almost made the list, but Hobbes -- like Aquinas -- screws up more often than he gets it right; it and the Summa Theologica are books worth reading if you have time, but I wouldn't necessarily expect to pull anything of value from them.
It's worth noting that I don't apply the same critical eye to Rumi and Lao Tzu that I do to Western philosophies, perhaps because I consciously associate Western philosophy with empiricism. Rumi and Lao Tzu are "useful," then, only because they articulate intriguing viewpoints; their actual philosophies are woefully underdeveloped, and work better when incorporated into other worldviews. Unless of course you're not an empiricist yourself, in which case you might find all the Truth you need in one of them.
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