I just heard it on WFMU Jersey City, via internet radio.
Not officially confirmed by Israel's government, but the reporter seemed confident in his sources.
David Levine, Israel bureau chief for a news agency reported it. Sharon reportedly died at 4am EST.
Rest In Peace, Sharon.
edit to add unconfirmed--I cannot find another source for this after 1 hour. I apologize if I relayed incorrect news. edit 2: added "minister" . Frick!
[ January 05, 2006, 08:13 AM: Message edited by: Morbo ]
Posted by Morbo (Member # 5309) on :
Hmm, nobody on Google news is reporting this. If true, Levine got quite a scoop, in modern electronic news terms.
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
I'm not seeing anything on it yet, either.
Posted by Morbo (Member # 5309) on :
Levine is with the "Israel Resource News Agency", if I heard it correctly.
Posted by Shan (Member # 4550) on :
Oops, it was "David Bedein, Bureau Chief Israel Resource News Agency", not Levine. I misheard his name.
I bet after getting so horribly burned last night with the misreporting of the WV coal miners deaths, MSM is playing it safe on this.
Posted by Morbo (Member # 5309) on :
It mentions Bedein, but not this breaking news... edit: I found it googling, but Bedein just memntioned it in his closing remarks as his webpage.
Bedein SPECULATED that the news is being supressed briefly until the Israeli stock market closes in a few hours. Then the official announcement would come, and the market might close tomorrow to prevent market troubles, to reopen Mon.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Posted by Tresopax (Member # 1063) on :
I also think that the recent mining incident should illustrate why this sort of speculation might not be a good idea. Let's still hope for the best, for the time being.
Posted by Derrell (Member # 6062) on :
I just checked the web site for the Jerusalem Post. They say he's in an induced coma. The report says there has been brain damage.
If he has died, they probably are reluctant to announce it.
I wonder what effect this will have on the peace process and the future of Israel.
*edited because I can't spell this early in the morning*
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
He hasn't died. But a doctor I know at Hadassah hospital said this:
quote:It's sad that some of my medical colleagues didn't exactly tell the truth 3 weeks ago on the health of Ariel Sharon. check //groups.google.com for what I had written on the PRIOR MULTIPLE STROKES that Ariel Sharon had (and was hidden and denied by certain people) That's why his MRI was never disseminated publicly.
I even placed a bet with a very senior Israeli "journalist" that at the press conference of the medical personnel, he would NEVER receive a digital copy of the MRI...
Subarachnoid hemorrhage is a very serious, life threatening disorder.
For the record, while I'm not celebrating Sharon's illness, I'm extremely happy, as are many Israelis, that he will probably not be in any position to do further harm in the future. I wish him long years of being able to play with his grandchildren in retirement.
It will be very interesting to see what happens to his new party. Almost everyone in the party has either been indicted, arrested, imprisoned, or at the very least under investigation for criminal activities. What probably set off this most recent set of strokes was the announcement by the Israeli police that they had solid evidence of him accepting millions of dollars in bribes, and the calls from all over the political spectrum for him to resign.
Posted by TheHumanTarget (Member # 7129) on :
quote: For the record, while I'm not celebrating Sharon's illness, I'm extremely happy, as are many Israelis, that he will probably not be in any position to do further harm in the future.
This is inappropriate. Sharon has a family and friends that certainly aren't happy that he had a stroke, and whatever your political stances or motivations, it's abominable to be happy about someone elses misfortune.
It's disgusting.
You may as well be handing out candy in the streets with Palestinian children right now...
Posted by Stephan (Member # 7549) on :
quote:Originally posted by TheHumanTarget:
quote: For the record, while I'm not celebrating Sharon's illness, I'm extremely happy, as are many Israelis, that he will probably not be in any position to do further harm in the future.
This is inappropriate. Sharon has a family and friends that certainly aren't happy that he had a stroke, and whatever your political stances or motivations, it's abominable to be happy about someone elses misfortune.
It's disgusting.
You may as well be handing out candy in the streets with Palestinian children right now...
Considering what Sharon has done FOR the Palestinians they should be more upset about this stroke then anyone.
Posted by TheHumanTarget (Member # 7129) on :
quote: Considering what Sharon has done FOR the Palestinians they should be more upset about this stroke then anyone.
There's too much hate between the two to ever have any hope of peace.
Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
He's not dead. He's just in a severe coma, and for all political purposes, can no longer participate. So, I guess he's dead politically.
Posted by Silkie (Member # 8853) on :
quote:Originally posted by Derrell: I just checked the web site for the Jerusalem Post. They say he's in an induced coma. The report says there has been brain damage.
If he has died, they probably are reluctant to announce it.
I wonder what effect this will have on the peace process and the future of Israel.
*edited because I can't spell this early in the morning*
Since so many complex political issues rest on this news, no doubt whatever we are being told will be edited.
If he is on life support, with brain damage, then the moment that the family removes the life support may well be the moment of his 'death.'
I too wish him many years of playing with his grandchildren, but the possibility of him doing that does not look good.
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by TheHumanTarget:
quote: For the record, while I'm not celebrating Sharon's illness, I'm extremely happy, as are many Israelis, that he will probably not be in any position to do further harm in the future.
This is inappropriate. Sharon has a family and friends that certainly aren't happy that he had a stroke, and whatever your political stances or motivations, it's abominable to be happy about someone elses misfortune.
I hope you didn't hurt yourself when your knee jerked. I wish him well and long years. But out of politics, where he can't do any more harm.
Posted by TheHumanTarget (Member # 7129) on :
quote: I hope you didn't hurt yourself when your knee jerked. I wish him well and long years. But out of politics, where he can't do any more harm.
It's not a knee-jerk reaction, merely an instinctive reation to repugnant behaviour on your part.
At least let the man die before celebrating the benefits of his demise.
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
See, but I don't want to be wishing for him to go ahead and do that.
And for the record, if a head of state had done to you what this man did to me and mine, you wouldn't be so broadminded.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
A whole lot of people who are part of "yours" don't agree with your assessment of what Sharon did.
Posted by Hamson (Member # 7808) on :
quote:Originally posted by starLisa: For the record, while I'm not celebrating Sharon's illness, I'm extremely happy, as are many Israelis, that he will probably not be in any position to do further harm in the future.
That course of thought is completely uncalled for.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
quote: That course of thought is completely uncalled for.
Consider the source.
Are you really surprised?
Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
[ January 05, 2006, 06:36 PM: Message edited by: aspectre ]
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Lisa: Ariel ben Devorah.
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Hamson:
quote:Originally posted by starLisa: For the record, while I'm not celebrating Sharon's illness, I'm extremely happy, as are many Israelis, that he will probably not be in any position to do further harm in the future.
That course of thought is completely uncalled for.
Really? I thought it was called for. Go figure.
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by rivka: Lisa: Ariel ben Devorah.
Tell me you're kidding. I'm not about to daven for him to get worse or to die, but I'm certainly not going to daven for him to get better.
Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
That is a really sucky thing to say, Lisa. Even black-hat Jews who disagree with his politics were quoted on the news as saying they hoped he would get better.
I am surprised you would have such a callous attitude.
Posted by TheHumanTarget (Member # 7129) on :
Well, the latest news reports indicate that the 3rd surgery and subsequent brain scan show good results.
Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
*agrees with Ela*
Also, whatever sort of politician he may be, he is still a human being. If he wakes up but can no longer function as one, some people (myself included) feel that that is a fate worse than death. I know I am hoping that he comes out of this soon, and reasonably healthy.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by starLisa:
quote:Originally posted by rivka: Lisa: Ariel ben Devorah.
Tell me you're kidding. I'm not about to daven for him to get worse or to die, but I'm certainly not going to daven for him to get better.
No, I am most emphatically not kidding. While I detest the man's politics, and disagree with many of the decisions he made, he is a yid. He has a family.
And if you really meant what you said about him getting time to play with his grandchildren, you would be saying Tehillim for him too.
Posted by GaalDornick (Member # 8880) on :
I heard that some "rabbis" in Israel gave him Ayin Harah and prayed for him to get sick. I think that's disgusting. Regardless of whether you agree with his politics or not, I think he was doing what he thought was best for Israel.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Really? I "hear" all sorts of things -- but that doesn't mean I believe 'em.
I find this one particularly difficult to believe.
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