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Posted by Silkie (Member # 8853) on :
 
Next time you fill up your gas tank, or when pay your utility bill/heating bill, remember the corporate welfare our Congress gave to these companies ... and especially, remember this when you decide who to vote for in the mid-term elections.
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Exxon Mobil Sees Record Profit

Monday, January 30, 2006

IRVING, Texas - Exxon Mobil Corp. posted a record quarterly profit for a U.S. company on Monday - $10.71 billion in the fourth quarter - as the world's biggest publicly traded oil company benefited from high oil and gas prices and demand for refined products.
The company's earnings amounted to $1.71 per share, up from $8.42 billion, or $1.30 per share, in the year ago quarter. The result topped the then-record quarterly profit of $9.92 billion Exxon posted in the 2005 third quarter.
The recent quarter included a $390 million gain related to a litigation settlement. Excluding special items, earnings were $10.32 billion, or $1.65 per share. The result topped Wall Street's expectations. Analysts surveyed by Thomson Financial predicted earnings of $1.44 per share.
Exxon shares rose $1.46, or 2.4 percent, to $62.75 in premarket activity.
Quarterly revenue ballooned to $99.66 billion from $83.37 billion a year ago but came in shy of the $100.72 billion Exxon posted in the third quarter, which was the first time a U.S. public company generated more than $100 billion in sales in a single quarter.
By segment, exploration and production earnings rose sharply to $7.04 billion, up $2.15 billion from the 2004 quarter, reflecting higher crude oil and natural gas prices. Production decreased by 1 percent due to the lingering effects of hurricanes Katrina and Rita, which battered the Gulf Coast in August and September.
The company's refining and marketing segment reported $2.39 billion in earnings, as higher refining and marketing margins helped offset the residual effects of the hurricanes.
Exxon's chemicals business saw earnings, excluding special items, decline by $413 million to $835 million, as higher materials costs squeezed margins.
For the full year, net income surged 43 percent to $36.13 billion, or $5.71 per share, from $25.33 billion, or $3.89 per share, in 2004. Annual revenue grew to $371 billion from $298.04 billion.



 
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
 
Good deal! My brother-in-law works for them. Maybe he will get a big bonus this year...

[Razz]

FG
 
Posted by Silkie (Member # 8853) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Farmgirl:
Good deal! My brother-in-law works for them. Maybe he will get a big bonus this year...

[Razz]

FG

I hope he does Farmgirl. I'd bet their CEO will get more than any of US earns in a lifetime!
 
Posted by DarkKnight (Member # 7536) on :
 
In 2004 Exxon's CEO made $38 million so I would hope with his ability to keep making these record profits his salary will also increase accordingly
 
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
 
The company I work for (a bank) also made record profits last year -- well above what they had budgeted. Record level of assets.

You don't see me complaining at all -- some of that usually trickles down to me in the way of pay raises and bonuses.

Good to see the economy bouncing back in some areas after 9/11.

FG
 
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
 
I just wish they'd raised the prices sooner. Why couldn't this have been done 5 years ago?
 
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
quote:
In 2004 Exxon's CEO made $38 million so I would hope with his ability to keep making these record profits his salary will also increase accordingly.
Yeah. It's a shame when people aren't rewarded for highway robbery.
 
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
 
Imagine a commodity company making record profits in a quarter with record demand. Shocking!
 
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
 
It's just scandalous, ain't it?
 
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
 
Wow!! Who'd a thunk it. The product they're selling nearly doubles in price while their production costs remain unchanged and that results in record profits? Call an economist-- this is revolutionary!!

Why don't they teach that business plan to Harvard MBAs.

[ January 30, 2006, 07:06 PM: Message edited by: The Rabbit ]
 
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
 
Honestly, CT, I wish that they had raised the price of gas years ago, and raised it to something above $3 a gallon. It hurts quite a bit paying a relatively high amount for gas, but I think that gas being painfully expensive is the only way to get the American public seriously interested in fuel conservation and alternatives to the way we've been doing things. When Katrina had gas prices up there a lot of my SUV driving co-workers began to seriously talk about getting something more fuel efficient, but when the prices dropped a bit they stopped talking about it, and several said (more than half seriously) that it meant that they wouldn't have to get rid of their SUVs after all.
 
Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
 
They didn't get a dime of my money. I've been boycotting Exxon/Mobil for years.

They'll be feeling the pinch of it any day now, I'm sure.
 
Posted by MrSquicky (Member # 1802) on :
 
Yes, but what about the price of heating oil? Raising prices doesn't just impact on the price at the pump. There are people who have died and are dying this winter because they can't afford to heat their houses.
 
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
 
That problem should be corrected via assistance, not regulation of the price.
 
Posted by Irregardless (Member # 8529) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by MrSquicky:
Yes, but what about the price of heating oil? Raising prices doesn't just impact on the price at the pump. There are people who have died and are dying this winter because they can't afford to heat their houses.

What, in the U.S.? Where? I googled around a bit and couldn't find any account of such.
 
Posted by MrSquicky (Member # 1802) on :
 
Really? What terms did you use to google?
 
Posted by DarkKnight (Member # 7536) on :
 
France let thousands die of heat....
France heat wave
 
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
 
Oh, that must mean it's the right thing to do, then. [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by DarkKnight:
France let thousands die of heat....
France heat wave

And that's relevant how?
 
Posted by smitty (Member # 8855) on :
 
I don't know about natural gas companies, but electric utilities can't disconnect people (in Indiana, anyway) if it's below freezing outside.
 
Posted by Jacare Sorridente (Member # 1906) on :
 
The utter ridiculousness of this situation only becomes apparent when one sees what was in the most recent energy bill:
washington post

Beyond a license to pollute, existing energy companies including oil and gas giants get tens of billions of dollars of subsidies. Why is it, exactly, that the taxpayers are subsidizing the most profitable companies in history during record years?
 
Posted by MrSquicky (Member # 1802) on :
 
They own more of the government than the American citizens do.

Also, some people are sucessful in selling the idea that we have a simplistic situation where the oil companies' only relationship to the government is when the government introduces "price controls".
 
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
 
quote:
They own more of the government than the American citizens do.
*sigh* Oil companies do not put politicians in power.
 
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
 
Here's an article about how the high heating prices in Massachusetts are affecting the poor.

Excerpts:

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By some estimates, more than 1,000 low-income households in the Merrimack Valley will run out of money to pay their heating bills by the end of winter. They will go without prescription medications, borrow money from friends and relatives, even heat with radiators plugged into extension cords running from neighbors' sockets -- doing anything possible to stay warm.


The article did mention two deaths - one in 2003 and one in 2004 of elderly people who had shut off the heat in their homes because they couldn't afford the bills and mentioned several people who were hospitalized.

As for assistance, there appears to be quite a lot out there, but the article says it's not enough.

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To avoid such tragedies, strict rules in Massachusetts and New Hampshire regulate when utility companies can shut off services to private customers in the winter.

In New Hampshire, energy companies cannot shut off utilities to low-income households or people 65 or older without permission from the Public Utilities Commission. Massachusetts forbids all shut-offs in households where someone is extremely ill, a child is under 1 year old and born before the service was to be shut off, or the customer is unable to pay because of financial hardship

Charles E. Moran, spokesman for Bay State Gas Company and Northern Utilities, said his company does everything it can to avoid leaving customers in the cold, including flexible payment plans that distribute the cost throughout the year. But it is up to the customer to tell the company he has a problem, he said.


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More than 800,000 Massachusetts households are eligible for some level of energy assistance, but less than 30 percent take advantage of programs available to them, according to Energy Bucks, a public awareness campaign sponsored by Massachusetts investor-owned utilities, Low-income Energy Affordability Network and the Massachusetts Association for Community Action Programs.

To find out if you qualify for fuel assistance, energy efficiency services, or utility discount rates, call 1-866-LESS COST, a toll-free Energy Bucks hot line, or see www.energybucks.com.

Families who don't meet low-income requirements for federal assistance may qualify for up to $275 in heating aid from the Salvation Army. Call (978) 682-8038.

Low-income oil customers may also qualify for a one-time, half-price oil shipment from Citizens Energy Corp. in Boston. Call (877) 563-4645.

I think it's clear that yes, some people do die because they choose not to heat their homes, but it's not true that utility companies are cutting off people's heat with no regard for their lives, and there are plenty of assistance programs out there for the poor and elderly. I know in Alabama there are several ways people can get help with their power bill.

Doesn't mean the situation is ideal, or that people aren't suffering hardships because of high prices this winter, but it does mean that there are options so that people needn't die because they can't afford to heat their homes.
 
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Of course, it doesn't help if they don't know they can get help, or how. I'm glad there's a public awareness campaign going on. [Smile]
 
Posted by DarkKnight (Member # 7536) on :
 
quote:
quote:
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Originally posted by DarkKnight:
France let thousands die of heat....
France heat wave
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And that's relevant how?

That was in response to Mr Squicky's post:
quote:
Yes, but what about the price of heating oil? Raising prices doesn't just impact on the price at the pump. There are people who have died and are dying this winter because they can't afford to heat their houses.

 
Posted by Silkie (Member # 8853) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by smitty:
I don't know about natural gas companies, but electric utilities can't disconnect people (in Indiana, anyway) if it's below freezing outside.

Apparently it varies from state to state:
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In 2004, Pennsylvania's legislature amended the state's utility law and changed the process that utility companies must follow to disconnect services to customers who have not paid their bills. Utility companies are no longer required to personally visit the home of customers who are about to be shut-off due to unpaid bills. Nor are they now required to obtain the permission of the Public Utility Commission (PUC) before discontinuing services, including heat and water, from December through March to customers below a certain income level...
entire article here

I couldn't find any articles about people dying in the US due to lack of heating (so far this year) but there were articles about that happpening in Russia this winter.

I'm glad that so many of you are too well off to feel pinched at the pumps - - - so much so that you want the prices to be raised even more. Must be nice.

Personally, we are struggling. We're running as fast as we can to stay in the same place. We've cut 'extras' and are making it from paycheck to paychek. Even so, our electric bill had a fuel costs surcharge added to it, because our co-op needed to pass their additinal costs on to us.
 
Posted by Silkie (Member # 8853) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Belle:
Here's an article about how the high heating prices in Massachusetts are affecting the poor.

Thank you Belle.
 
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
quote:
*sigh* Oil companies do not put politicians in power.
Why do you believe this, Jeff?
 
Posted by Silkie (Member # 8853) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Rakeesh:
quote:
They own more of the government than the American citizens do.
*sigh* Oil companies do not put politicians in power.
Rakeesh, you have inpressed me as a very smart person. I don't see how you can believe that the Oil comapnies do not 'own' the current government.

This is how much disproportionately the Oil companies donate to Republican politicians:
Center for Responsive Politics
 
Posted by Irregardless (Member # 8529) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by MrSquicky:
Really? What terms did you use to google?

'death froze "heating oil"', with a couple of other variations. The results included some deaths (around Chicago) from 3 years ago, and lots of dire predictions; but you specified that people had died this winter, which has been rather mild.
 
Posted by Silkie (Member # 8853) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jacare Sorridente:
The utter ridiculousness of this situation only becomes apparent when one sees what was in the most recent energy bill:
washington post

Beyond a license to pollute, existing energy companies including oil and gas giants get tens of billions of dollars of subsidies. Why is it, exactly, that the taxpayers are subsidizing the most profitable companies in history during record years?

Thank you - that is exactly my point.

Remember how those 'investigations' into the high Oil prices happened right around election time? Remember good ole boy Ted Stevens refusing to swwear in the Oil Executives? Remember how the Gasoline prices dropped - - - until after the elections? They seem to remember we are watching only when it is almost time for an election, and then put on a show to reassure their constituancy.

Remind eveyone you know to REMEMBER this when they vote in the mid-term elections. No matter how fancy the TV ads, and how many times those ads run, the ads are bought and paid for by the energy companies, and the other special interests that are in effect running our country through their bought and paid for representatives in congress and the White House.

My personal opinion is: Any vote for the people running the Congress right now is a vote against your own best interests.
 
Posted by Irregardless (Member # 8529) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Silkie:
quote:
Originally posted by Rakeesh:
quote:
They own more of the government than the American citizens do.
*sigh* Oil companies do not put politicians in power.
Rakeesh, you have inpressed me as a very smart person. I don't see how you can believe that the Oil comapnies do not 'own' the current government.

This is how much disproportionately the Oil companies donate to Republican politicians:
Center for Responsive Politics

*cough* http://www.crp.org/industries/indus.asp?ind=K&cycle=2006
 
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
 
I'm just not a fan of hyperbole on this particular subject. The oil companies do not "own" the government, they give them massive sums of money to convince us the people who do own the government to re-elect them or like-minded people.

I'm a registered Independant, but my family is mostly moderate Republicans-one of two categories of people you need to convince-and I can tell you that overstatement like that doesn't persaude anyone but the choir.

Corruption or even massive though legal campaign contributions from any source-oil company or otherwise-is a serious problem. Saying that Big Oil "owns" the government does little to help solve the problem, but does make the speaker feel good sometimes.

Rather, say that big oil companies are looking out for their own bottom line first, always that first-and they contribute to the campaigns of politicians they believe will keep that in their minds. It's still a major and cynically upsetting problem, but it's more accurate.

Just like environmentalists aren't out to save spotted owls and screw the working man.
 
Posted by Silkie (Member # 8853) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Irregardless:
*cough* http://www.crp.org/industries/indus.asp?ind=K&cycle=2006

Good point Irregardless. I agree:
quote:
loose quote... Politicians and babies should be changed often and for the same reasons.

 
Posted by Irregardless (Member # 8529) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Silkie:
Remember how the Gasoline prices dropped - - - until after the elections? They seem to remember we are watching only when it is almost time for an election, and then put on a show to reassure their constituancy.

When, exactly, did this drop occur?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:2005energycrisisgasolineprices.gif
 
Posted by Silkie (Member # 8853) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Rakeesh:
I'm just not a fan of hyperbole on this particular subject. The oil companies do not "own" the government, they give them massive sums of money to convince us the people who do own the government to re-elect them or like-minded people.

I'm a registered Independant, but my family is mostly moderate Republicans-one of two categories of people you need to convince-and I can tell you that overstatement like that doesn't persaude anyone but the choir.

Corruption or even massive though legal campaign contributions from any source-oil company or otherwise-is a serious problem. Saying that Big Oil "owns" the government does little to help solve the problem, but does make the speaker feel good sometimes.

Rather, say that big oil companies are looking out for their own bottom line first, always that first-and they contribute to the campaigns of politicians they believe will keep that in their minds. It's still a major and cynically upsetting problem, but it's more accurate.

Just like environmentalists aren't out to save spotted owls and screw the working man.

Good answer. I agree with you, mostly anyway. We need significant reform in Washington, and serious changes in the way money and resources are exchanged for influence there. Unfortunately the odds of the people benefiting from this corrupt system actually significantly reforming it are somewhere between slim and none.

The reason that Ted Stevens wouldn't swear in those Oil Executives last fall is that he was protecting them from being liable for not telling the truth to Congress, as the Tobacco Executives were liable for their false statements. He is their man, as surely as if he was on their payroll. And so many other elected officials actions regarding their contributors say the same thing about them. They talk the talk, of taking care of their constituency, but their actions say something else.

I am registered as a Democrat, but only because if I didn't choose a major 'party' I wouldn't be able to vote in the primary elections. But that is another thread.
 
Posted by Silkie (Member # 8853) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Irregardless:
quote:
Originally posted by Silkie:
Remember how the Gasoline prices dropped - - - until after the elections? They seem to remember we are watching only when it is almost time for an election, and then put on a show to reassure their constituancy.

When, exactly, did this drop occur?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:2005energycrisisgasolineprices.gif

The high was in September, 2005. Elections were in November.

Then the prices fell from the point of $3.07(+/-) to a low of around $2.20(+/-).

gasoline prices 1970 - 2005

Something else from that same page:
quote:
How Much Oil to Make Gasoline?
As one reader pointed out, although a barrel of oil contains 42 gallons, it makes only about 21 gallons of gasoline. So, you might think that a $10 rise in the price of oil would cause a $10/21, or 48¢ rise in the price of gas. This would be right if the whole 42 gallons of oil were used up. But the barrel of oil makes about 21 gallons of other fuels, like home heating oil, etc.

This means a gallon of gasoline should only need to go up in price by 1/42 because a gallon of heating oil will also go up by 1/42 of the rise in the oil price.


 
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
 
quote:
This means a gallon of gasoline should only need to go up in price by 1/42 because a gallon of heating oil will also go up by 1/42 of the rise in the oil price.
This is what one would think if one thought that cost of production is the only variable involved in setting the price of a good in a competitive market.

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He is their man, as surely as if he was on their payroll.
Ah, there we go, the blatant accusation.

Are you just a paid shill for MoveOn.org? Or is it only appropriate to call Bush appointees such names?
 
Posted by Irami Osei-Frimpong (Member # 2229) on :
 
But what's the deal with the subsidies, then?
 
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by DarkKnight:
France let thousands die of heat....
France heat wave

You say "let" as if France had the capability to save all of them and chose not to.
 
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
 
Did you know there's a severe asphalt shortage? Right now oil companies are making more money doing additional refining of tarry grades to gasoline right now, than they do keeping the tarry stuff and selling it to asphalt companies. It's directly affecting the bottom dollar of most public works construction projects in the U.S. driving up municipal deficits.

I'm not sure how I feel about it.

AJ
 
Posted by smitty (Member # 8855) on :
 
I'm holding back the "France surrendered to the heat" joke...
 
Posted by Irregardless (Member # 8529) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Silkie:
quote:
Originally posted by Irregardless:
quote:
Originally posted by Silkie:
Remember how the Gasoline prices dropped - - - until after the elections? They seem to remember we are watching only when it is almost time for an election, and then put on a show to reassure their constituancy.

When, exactly, did this drop occur?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:2005energycrisisgasolineprices.gif

The high was in September, 2005. Elections were in November.

Then the prices fell from the point of $3.07(+/-) to a low of around $2.20(+/-).

First of all, what elections are we talking about? Sri Lanka's? 2005 was an off-year; there were no nationally significant races in the U.S. Are you seriously suggesting that the oil industry acted in collusion to manipulate gasoline prices on the order of 80+ cents/gallon in order to influence... the San Diego mayoral election, and a Seattle ballot initiative for their monorail? I want to know which candidates, by name, you think benefitted from this imaginary process. And why they didn't do it in 2004, when a lot more was on the line.

Secondly, you implied that the oil industry drove the price back up after these "elections"; however, the 'low' you cite, $2.20 per gallon, is only one cent lower than what I paid yesterday.

Thirdly, the actual low was about $2.15, hit a month *after* the November 8 elections. On November 8, the average price was still approximately $2.38.

Why did the evil Big Oil robber barons push the price down another 23 cents after succeeding in their diabolical plan to lower property taxes on Maine fishermen?
 
Posted by Silkie (Member # 8853) on :
 
*slaps head* I misspoke. I said elections and that was wrong. I meant to say the testimonies by the Oil executives and investigation of the Oil industry. The same time line applies.

[Dont Know] Sorry.

I estimated the low point that gas reached from the graph. Our prices here in the Orlando area actually dipped to around $2.00 per gallon.
 
Posted by Silkie (Member # 8853) on :
 
Edit: computer malfunction
 
Posted by Silkie (Member # 8853) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Irami Osei-Frimpong:
But what's the deal with the subsidies, then?

I agree. What's the deal with the corporate welfare? Welfare is OK for multi-billion dollar companies with record profits, but not OK for destitute families?
 
Posted by Boris (Member # 6935) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Silkie:
quote:
Originally posted by Irami Osei-Frimpong:
But what's the deal with the subsidies, then?

I agree. What's the deal with the corporate welfare? Welfare is OK for multi-billion dollar companies with record profits, but not OK for destitute families?
I'm voting for the one that creates jobs, personally.
 
Posted by Juxtapose (Member # 8837) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Irregardless:
*cough* http://www.crp.org/industries/indus.asp?ind=K&cycle=2006

This may seem like a dumb question, Irregardless, but what exactly does "Lawyers and Lobbyists" mean? Does that mean ALL lobbyists? Because, if so, a lot of those dollars could be from opposing groups, sort of cancelling each other out. I'm guessing, in effect, that the numbers are bigger because they represent a great many different interests, rather than one (the oil industry). Moreover, wouldn't lobbyists include oil lobbyists? You could also, say, look at all domestic donations, and conclude that all politicians are in the pocket of the American people...but obviously, that would be pretty pointless.

quote:
Originally posted by Dagonee:
Or is it only appropriate to call Bush appointees such names?

Mmm, technically, Stevens isn't a Bush appointee. But I do understand the broader point. Is it surprising to you that the administration in power is frequently sniped at? I don't think Bush gets attacked any more than Clinton did, and to be fair, they both lied to America.
So, pray tell, given the Stevens situation, what do you make of the failure to have the oil execs sworn in?

[ January 30, 2006, 11:10 PM: Message edited by: Juxtapose ]
 
Posted by Silkie (Member # 8853) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Boris:
I'm voting for the one that creates jobs, personally.

Can you tell which one that is? I am having a hard time doing that.

BOTH parties seem to think that outsourcing is the way to go, which doesn't affect upper strata jobs but does affect 'middle class' jobs that used to be our bread and butter. Does anyone have a figure on how many jobs have been outsourced since the Clinton (Republican Congress) years when it was entitled?

quote:
Business Week, JULY 13, 2004
Now that job creation in the U.S. has supposedly picked up steam, and more new jobs are finally being created than are lost on a monthly basis, the whole issue of outsourcing seems to have been relegated to the backburner, as if it is a fad that has had its day. The media have begun communicating that message -- the July issue of Business 2.0 sniffs on its cover, "Stop whining about outsourcing."

BOTTOM-LINE LOGIC? Yet a recent report out of India suggests that outsourcing from the U.S. is creating huge numbers of jobs in that country -- something on the order of 200,000 technology jobs in the year ended last Mar. 31. The report, by a large Indian trade group known as the National Association of Software & Service Companies, suggests about 50,000 per quarter, which is many more than the 4,633 jobs reported lost by the U.S. Labor Dept. for this year's first quarter. And remember, the Labor Dept. survey isn't limited to jobs going to India -- they could be going anywhere in the world outside the U.S.

Part of the discrepancy is attributed in the media to the fact that not all jobs lost via layoffs are transported overseas. The other explanation is that jobs sent to India -- and an estimated 80% of the companies outsourcing jobs to India are American -- are "new" jobs and thus wouldn't necessarily have been jobs that would have been created in the U.S.

I'm not sure why there is so much denial about the relationship between jobs and outsourcing. When U.S. companies create software programming and call-center jobs in India, there is no question that there are Americans who could handle those tasks. The companies choose to send those jobs to India or elsewhere because of their perception that labor costs will be lower. Pure and simple.

Business Week

"The Indian software and services export is estimated at Rs 78,230 crore ($17.2 billion) in 2004-05, as compared to Rs 58,240 crore ($12.8 billion) in 2003-04, an increase of 34 per cent."

Outsourcing is a growing industry - growing a lot faster than our job rate ...
 
Posted by Silkie (Member # 8853) on :
 
One other note: Ford is closing plants in several states. One of those they are NOT closing is in Mexico.
 
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
I'd heard that one of the ones they were closing was in Mexico.

Either way, are you really surprised? A lot of the idea behind closing plants is to cut costs to stay competitive, why would they close the plant that costs the least amount to staff its workforce?
 
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
While that seems to be an economically sound business practice, isn't it a little hypocritical of them to run ads making a big deal about supporting American workers, then?
 
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by smitty:
I'm holding back the "France surrendered to the heat" joke...

Probably a smart move. I would have found such a joke to be of incredibly poor taste.
 
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
KQ -

If they go out of business altogether, the tens of thousands of jobs that could be lost in addition to the thousands already gone wouldn't really be a boon to the American workforce would it? Besides, what do it's factories or factory in Mexico even make? If there isn't a factory with workers here making the exact same thing, it would cost them MORE to close the Mexico plant and move it to America (cancelling out the original point of it costing less in Mexico twice over).

There's only a chance of it being hypocritical if there were two plants making the same thing, and they chose to close the American one to save the Mexican one, but I'd question it even then.
 
Posted by Silkie (Member # 8853) on :
 
My husband is an auto tech with a Ford dealership. That's how I knew that the Mexican plant was going to remain open. He says the current Mexican Car - the Focus - has excellent workmanship. And of course it is an economy car, so there is a market for it.

When hubby and I discussed this we came to the conclusion that this is about Union busting. Given the 'global economy' it seems inevitable that Unions will lose power unless they change, and they seem unlikely to change.

I have mixed feelings about that. There is no corporate loyalty to the workers working to create those profits for the corporation. You're just a body with a pulse which can be replaced. Or so they seem to think.

It seems to me that in today's Corporate world little thought is given to tomorrow's consequenses.

Who is going to buy those cars, if our economy goes bust?
 
Posted by Silkie (Member # 8853) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by ketchupqueen:
While that seems to be an economically sound business practice, isn't it a little hypocritical of them to run ads making a big deal about supporting American workers, then?

We're fed a diet of hypocrisy every day. It is the spin machine. Cut taxes for the well off and pay for it with cuts in entitlements like Food Stamps and Student Loans. That will "stimulate jobs" according to the powers that be.

Tell that to the hungry old people living on Social Security, and children in families living on the edge of poverty who won't have bread or milk, or other necessities because of it.
 
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
The Focus is made in Mexico?! All of them? From day one?
 
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Noemon:
Honestly, CT, I wish that they had raised the price of gas years ago, and raised it to something above $3 a gallon. It hurts quite a bit paying a relatively high amount for gas, but I think that gas being painfully expensive is the only way to get the American public seriously interested in fuel conservation and alternatives to the way we've been doing things. When Katrina had gas prices up there a lot of my SUV driving co-workers began to seriously talk about getting something more fuel efficient, but when the prices dropped a bit they stopped talking about it, and several said (more than half seriously) that it meant that they wouldn't have to get rid of their SUVs after all.

Oh, I was totally serious. The US was the only place with such ridiculously low prices, and it fuels an unhealthy set of behaviors.

So why weren't the prices raised before this, guys? Record profits, better for us ... I don't get it. Why only now?
 
Posted by DarkKnight (Member # 7536) on :
 
quote:
When hubby and I discussed this we came to the conclusion that this is about Union busting. Given the 'global economy' it seems inevitable that Unions will lose power unless they change, and they seem unlikely to change.

I don't think it is about Union busting, I think it is much more about trying to keep Ford business intact. The plants that are closing are mostly truck plants.
Ford Plants
 
Posted by Silkie (Member # 8853) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by DarkKnight:
quote:
When hubby and I discussed this we came to the conclusion that this is about Union busting. Given the 'global economy' it seems inevitable that Unions will lose power unless they change, and they seem unlikely to change.

I don't think it is about Union busting, I think it is much more about trying to keep Ford business intact. The plants that are closing are mostly truck plants.

I agree with you, but I doubt that any business decision like this is for any one reason. I'm sure that is part of it too. Sales of SUVs and trucks have fallen tremendously, for good reason: they guzzle gas. They are also amazingly expensive. I could pay off my home with what they cost.

I think Toyota has the best idea: they are going to make hybrids available for every model. Then you can have your SUV (or whatever) and drive it more affordably.
 
Posted by Silkie (Member # 8853) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lyrhawn:
The Focus is made in Mexico?! All of them? From day one?

The Focus' manufacture was moved last fall to the Dearborn, MI plant. (Ford's Headquarters, where 'only' 80 people will be laid off.) A friend (mech. engineer) that I went to college with used to work there. He and several others in his department with low seniority were laid off a couple of years ago. Ford has been cutting back for years. There were no headlines then. The only time you see headlines are when large numbers are involved.

As of this year the Hermosillo Ford factory is producing new models: the Ford Fusion, Lincoln Zephyr and Mercury Milan.

Hermosillo Ford factory
 
Posted by Silkie (Member # 8853) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by ClaudiaTherese:
quote:
Originally posted by Noemon:
Honestly, CT, I wish that they had raised the price of gas years ago, and raised it to something above $3 a gallon. It hurts quite a bit paying a relatively high amount for gas, but I think that gas being painfully expensive is the only way to get the American public seriously interested in fuel conservation and alternatives to the way we've been doing things. When Katrina had gas prices up there a lot of my SUV driving co-workers began to seriously talk about getting something more fuel efficient, but when the prices dropped a bit they stopped talking about it, and several said (more than half seriously) that it meant that they wouldn't have to get rid of their SUVs after all.

Oh, I was totally serious. The US was the only place with such ridiculously low prices, and it fuels an unhealthy set of behaviors.

So why weren't the prices raised before this, guys? Record profits, better for us ... I don't get it. Why only now?

I don't have an answer for you about why Gasoline is so much more expensive in Europe. They have been very different for many years.

I don't agree with you. There are basic practical reasons that we/the workforce need reasonably priced fuels. My husband commutes 20 miles each way to work, and the nearest grocery store to me is a 30 minute drive away. There is no public transportation.

Many people do not live in an area with public transportation, or cannot/will not live in the city where they could bicycle or walk to work. Those that are hurt most by these high prices are those whose earnings are the lowest, since it takes a bigger chunk - proportionately - out of their budget.

Our lifestyle is about to change quite a lot, if these prices continue to rise. It won't be just the Electric company adding a fuel surcharge. Everything we eat and drink and use is shipped. Eventually those prices have to rise too - and this year's wages have risen the least amount in ten years.

What does that do? It devalues your buying power... your dollar is worth less. Recently I read an article about China (one of the main countries we borrow from to finance our Deficit) diversifying from Dollars to other currency. And this week it was announced that Bush is asking Congress to raise our national debt ceiling, again.

Doesn't that make you wonder what they know that we haven't realized yet?
 
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
 
quote:
I don't have an answer for you about why Gasoline is so much more expensive in Europe.
The big reason here in Canada is that it's taxed much more heavily. I believe the same is largely true of Europe, but I don't know for certain.
 
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
 
quote:
So, pray tell, given the Stevens situation, what do you make of the failure to have the oil execs sworn in?
You tell me: What exactly does one make of a Senator following the normal practices of Congress?

quote:
Before politicians take office, they are sworn in. Before witnesses testify in court, they pledge honesty. New citizens must swear their allegiance to the flag. High school students filling out college applications must attest to their truthfulness. Some states won't even let you drive unless you first take an oath. There is no limit, it often seems, to the venues in which Americans lean on the oath to steer their consciences to honesty--with one glaring exception: the hearing rooms of the United States Congress, where only a handful of the thousands of witnesses interviewed each year are required to take an oath before testifying.
When one points to the failure to perform a particular act in a particular instance as evidence of corruption, one should be sure that the act which the person failed to perform is one that a non-corrupt person in that very situation would perform.

Further, this

quote:
The reason that Ted Stevens wouldn't swear in those Oil Executives last fall is that he was protecting them from being liable for not telling the truth to Congress, as the Tobacco Executives were liable for their false statements.
Is just flat out not true. It's still a crime to lie to Congress. While lack of an oath does require prosecutors to prove an element they otherwise wouldn't have to, such proof is not difficult.

Further, and most damning for Silkie's accusation, is that, according to the rules of the Energy and Natural Resources Committee, "Witnesses in Committee or Subcommittee hearings may be required to give testimony under oath whenever the Chairman or Ranking Minority Member of the Committee or Subcommittee deems such to be necessary." The hearings were jointly held by the energy committee and the commerce committee; Jeff Bingaman could have demanded an oath but did not.

Why not? Because the statute against lying to Congress does not require an oath to create criminal liability. It requires proof that the witnesses knew of their duty to testify truthfully - something Stevens explicitly warned them about.

[ January 31, 2006, 11:45 AM: Message edited by: Dagonee ]
 
Posted by Tresopax (Member # 1063) on :
 
It is not immoral of Exxon Mobil to make a profit by giving you a slightly less good deal. $2 for a gallon of gas is a great deal. $3 is still a great deal.

If gas prices are too high, buy less gas. Drive less. Walk more. Use mass transportation. Buy more fuel efficient cars. Gas prices are competitive - that means that if people use less gas, demand will drop, and prices will rise. It is not Exxxon Mobil's fault if people continue their high consumption of gas, despite the drop in supply and increase in prices - except insofar as they and other gas companies have been giving the consumer too good of a deal for too long.
 
Posted by Silkie (Member # 8853) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Dagonee:
You tell me: What exactly does one make of a Senator following the normal practices of Congress?

Interesting article. Reminds me of the debate that swirled around "what the meaning of 'is' is."

Stevens was downright nasty to the Senator who raised the question of Oaths. Her motion was seconded, and slapped down by hizhonor.

And it was all theater, on both sides.
 
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
 
quote:
Interesting article. Reminds me of the debate that swirled around "what the meaning of 'is' is."
You do seem to like that example. Would you care to explain how Stevens doing something that is done almost every time witnesses testify in Congress is evidence that he is owned by oil companies? Or why, if this was such an important thing to do, the ranking Democrat didn't insist on it as the rules allow?
 
Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
 
Ya might hafta watch an ad first cuz the following link is to the Economist's premium content. The is that the private / non-governmentally-held major oil companies are making more profit while pumping less oil, and not finding enough new oil reserves to make up for the depletion of their old oil fields.
Which combined with ever increasing demand -- especially from China, India, and the UnitedStates -- makes it likely that fossil fuel prices will continue to rise.
 
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by ketchupqueen:
Of course, it doesn't help if they don't know they can get help, or how. I'm glad there's a public awareness campaign going on. [Smile]

Those "programs" run out of funds every years, lately before the middle of January.


Also, they can shut it off once it isn't cold...and then the people can't get it turned back on for the following winter.


Dag, I think that the main problem people have with these companies is that they get all sorts of "special exemptions" and subsudies despite their profitibility.


Also, anyone who thinks that the oil companies DON'T own parts of the government hasn't been paying attention to those companies record of political donations or their special interest groups techniques.
 
Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
 
Steven's "It's my committee, and I'll shut it down if you insist on swearing in witnesses." is not even close to standard practice. Though with Republicans chairing the committees, it is becoming ever more so inregards to heavily Republican contributors.
 


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