Even if it works, I don't think I could deal with it.
Posted by Juxtapose (Member # 8837) on :
Oh man, I could and would, if it works. I get such bad allergy attacks sometimes.
There's nothing like taking a box of kleenex to school with you one day, running out by 10am, and resorting to brown paper towels from the bathroom for the rest of the day.
EDIT - although, I would worry how it would affect the strength of my immune system against things I actually DO need it for, like say, a possible bird-flu epidemic.
Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
quote:If we can work out how these cells are switched on, then the pharmaceutical industry could become involved.
Good plan. Learn from the worms, and then develop something that doesn't involve squirmy things in your lungs.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
A while back I read an article that talked about a study done in which people drank a frothy mug of parasite eggs which, once hatched, provided the same kind of benefit. Interesting, isn't it? Revolting, yes, but interesting.
Hm. I wonder about genetically engineering a parasitic worm to, say, produce hormones that would be useful for birth control. Or to administer hormone doeses for people who have had to have their thyroid glands removed.
In any case, if the parasites provided effective, long term relief from asthma symptoms I'd gladly host them.
Posted by Uprooted (Member # 8353) on :
I'm with dkw. Gimme the drugs once they're developed.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Me three!
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
Intellectually I'm with Jake. Emotionally, I can't get over the squick factor. However, when I didn't think I'd ever be able to afford to pay people to shoot lasers into my eyes I said I'd never do it anyway, 'cause it was too icky and scary. When my parents offered me lasik for Christmas, it took about four long beats before I said a tentative "okay." I suspect, if this turns out to work and become reasonably widespread, I might do the same.
Posted by Ryuko (Member # 5125) on :
dkw: They wouldn't be in your lungs, they'd be in your intestines. Which I think certainly lessens the squick factor.
When I weigh the possibility of being free from asthma against the grossness of having a parasite cum mutualistic symbiote in my body. I'd do it, I wouldn't think about it that much.
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
But they go squiggling through your lungs on their way to your intestines!
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Shall we discuss all the critters that are in your lungs, gut, and bloodstream right now?
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
Nope. They belong there. The ones in my eyebrows, too. Hookworms sucking blood from my intestines don't.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
How do you know that? (serious question)
Posted by The Pixiest (Member # 1863) on :
Sign me up. Oh God please Sign me up.
Once we know for dam sure it works anyway.
All creatures have so many squirmy things living inside them that what do a few hookworks matter so long as I can breath out both sides of my nose and don't have asthma anymore!!! Not to mention other allergic issues that would belong in a TMI thread.
And if it gets me out of Crohn's disease surgery like a close relative of mine had, I'm SO there!
Pix
Posted by Ryuko (Member # 5125) on :
rivka: It makes sense. How else do the genes for asthma survive? Because they are helped by hookworms!! GENIUS
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
Not sure when it'll be on the market as a treatment you can be given by a doctor, but it's encouraging--no side effects, even. I think that if I had Crohn's disease I might be tempted to find a supply of T. suis eggs and experiment on myself, but I wouldn't recommend that anybody else do that. Since, you know, I wouldn't want them to sue me if something went wrong somehow.
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
rivka, how do I know that the ones in me currently belong there, or how do I know that hookworms don't?
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by ElJay: rivka, how do I know that the ones in me currently belong there, or how do I know that hookworms don't?
I meant the latter. But both, really, I guess. That is, what evidence do you have that the symbiotes/parasites you currently support "belong" any more than the hookworms?
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
I am so NOT COOL with adding extra critters into my body.
Although I would consider parasitic birth control worms. But I'm desperate.
-pH
Posted by Eaquae Legit (Member # 3063) on :
That is... utterly revolting. Kudos to the researchers, though. That takes, er, guts.
Posted by dantesparadigm (Member # 8756) on :
This is a dilly of a pickle. As much as I'd love it, I just don't know if getting rid of a stuffy nose is worth renting out my intestines to infectious parasites.
I guess I'll get on the wait 'till the drug comes out boat. I don't mind horrible deformative side effects as long as they don't involve living things that want to eat my blood.
But what would be cool is my own pet panther that attacks anything I don't like; Stuffy noses, annoying panhandlers, shopping carts with that annoying squeaky wheel… You get the point.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
ELJay, did you get the LASIK? I am considering it, which is why I am asking.
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Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
I think the study is really interesting, and not all THAT icky. Study microbiology, and you'll be squicked out and back again. Things that never bothered you will make you horrified. And things that used to make you grossed out, will be demoted to "interesting".
If the hookworms have a beneficial effect, they are no longer parasites, they are symbiotes. And therefore, a whole lot less icky. (to me)
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
quote:This is a dilly of a pickle. As much as I'd love it, I just don't know if getting rid of a stuffy nose is worth renting out my intestines to infectious parasites.
Meh, you say infectious parasite I say previously unrecognized and much maligned symbiote.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Three times fast?
Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
rivka
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Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
Oooh, I'd want a symbiote! Will it also make my eyes glow and my voice sound funny in addition to curing my allergies?
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Yes, and give you a bad case of Terminal Evil™.
Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
Not if it's a tok'ra.
Posted by Jenny Gardener (Member # 903) on :
I'm sure most of us already have experienced intestinal worms at some time or other; we just never knew it.
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
kwea, I had LASIK, and I recommend it highly.
Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
*kicks Icky*
*and ElJay*
*and all the other normal-sized-pupil people eligible for lasik*
Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
dkw, your pupils aren't "normal-sized"?
What you been smokin', girl?
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
rivka, the easy answer is that I am a healthy adult who has lived in normal sanitation conditions all my life and never traveled anywhere "exotic," so I would say that there is a high probability that the beasties I have living in me are normal for my geographical location and not harmful. That is enough for me to say they "belong." And the fact that hookworms would have to be introduced into my system is enough that they don't belong. Now, they may be beneficial. They may even be desirable. But I don't think either of those means they belong inside me. And that is the part that squicks me out.
Now, I do on occasion do things that alter my body chemestry, such as take (legal) drugs. I generally try to do it as little as possible, and it still seems different to me than intentionally hosting a parasite. But like I said. . . if it ends up working and becomes a decent choice for my allergy conditions, I'll probably at least seriously consider it.
Answer your question?
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kwea, yes, I had lasik. Loved it. Scary as all get out, completely worth it.
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
Actually, I do not have normal pupils. I have enormous pupils (my one attractive feature, actually), and this is probably a big part of why even after LASIK I do not have 20/20 vision. But my vision is still good enough to get by without glasses or contacts (even driving) and that is wonderful. Especially given that I had fairly bad astigmatism, and that contacts didn't really work for me. (Not that that stopped me from trying. >_< )
Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
My pupils are large enough that I can't even have the surgery. Too high a risk of double vision afterwards.
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
I can't imagine them being any bigger . . . as it is, I can't deal with bright sunshine. I guess living up north helps.
Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
Yep. It probably contributes to the fact that my ideal vacation involves woods rather than a beach.
The last time had to have my eyes dialated I was seeing the new partner at my eye doctor. He said, "There's a note in your chart to only use half a drop, so this may take a minu . . . <insert drop> . . . Holy S***!"
edit: second time in my life I've caused a medical professional to swear. (While I was there and awake. Who knows how many of them swear when I can't hear it.)
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
Wait, I thought that none of the various laser eye surgery options really worked well on people with astigmatisms.
How bad were your eyes before the surgery Ic? Feel free to phrase your answer in dollars and cents. Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
quote:Originally posted by dkw: second time in my life I've caused a medical professional to swear. (While I was there and awake. Who knows how many of them swear when I can't hear it.)
So...what's the other time? I sense a good story.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
I am checking out the new no blade LASIK, there is a guy near here who does it.
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
I don't remember my various numbers. Somewhere on the in-between level of badness. I never had the most shockingly thick glasses, but they were never the thinnest either. And contacts were a nightmare.
I think most people with astigmatism can have LASIK. As I recall, the surgeon wasn't to bugged about it. But again, this may be why my vision still is not perfect. I think I'm 20/30 or perhaps 20/40 now. Twilight also affects my vision more now than it did before.
I was also warned that my far-sightedness (I had myopia, astigmatism, and far-sightedness, if you can imagine that) would become a minor annoyance again as I got to middle age, but you can correct far-sightedness with $3 glasses from Walgreens, as opposed to $100+ glasses or contacts, so I'm not too stressed about it.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
I've seriously thought about leeches lately. With my low platelets my blood isn't clotting well, so the bruises from my surgery last week are still there, still sore and blue under the skin. I wondered if a leech would clean all that out and keep it from hurting. Maybe not, since the blood is more than a week old now.
Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
Dentist, when I had my wisdom teeth out. I refused to be put under for it, and I think he forgot for a minute that I was awake. He couldn't get a good grip on one of the teeth, and when he finally got it he yanked really hard and it went flying across the room, followed by a jet of blood.
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
I am very happy with the guy who did mine. (And no, it's not that Doctor Philatowski from the radio. I suspect that his claims are misleading, though I could be mistaken.) I strongly suggest you do a lot of research into the doctor you choose, and that you not look for a bargain.
Posted by Enigmatic (Member # 7785) on :
Futurama has taught us the myriad benefits of having disgusting worms living in your intestine.
--Enigmatic
Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
quote:Originally posted by dkw: Dentist..couldn't get a good grip on one of the teeth, and when he finally got it he yanked really hard and it went flying across the room, followed by a jet of blood.
Bloodshed! Mayhem! Dentistry! Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Way cooler than my wisdom teeth story, which really involves me having convulsions and then acting like I was drunk or stoned for the next twelve hours.
Posted by kmbboots (Member # 8576) on :
Belle, is there any way you know of for me to get platelets from here in Chicago to you wherever you are. Whenever you mention platelet counts I feel like there should be something I could do about it. I tend to have very high counts and donate them here all the time and would love to give you some somehow.
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The ones in my eyebrows, too. Hookworms sucking blood from my intestines don't.
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