I have this friend who i play online with alot and the games are USUALLY enjoyable but here's the problem.
Lately he's been an ass, every oppurtunity he backs stabs me, breaks any preagreed agreement or willingly allows things to happen that ends up with me losing.
Example a) He's italy in Hoi2 and conquers scandinavia, he's "neutral" and thus lets an American armada of 100 ships cruise past denmark and invade me, tested in single player this causes me to lose everytime. I tell him this is his fault and violates his neutrality, he says he's neutral and doesn't matter. This makes him an accomplice to murder IMHO because if someone is gaurding a door and a friend is in the next room and a serial killer wants to get in to kill the friend what do you do? Be "neutral" and let him in? He says he's neutral it doesnt matter what happens.
Also he keeps playing Ahistorically which always ends up screwing up the game (which runs off of "events") and a war at the wrong time will screw up the game, I do not like playing Ahistorically, is his attention span so low that he HAS to invade every 3rd nation?
Then in Civ4 he refuses to let me play Russia on the EE3 mod because "its the only thing you play" its the only thing I like to play, why shouldn't I be allowed to play it?
Also just recently he attacked me when he KNEW I was AFK (away from keyboard), so I quit the game and he calls me a baby, some heated words are exchange and he blocks me from MSN, then he bans me from teamspeak if I'm such a baby why is he afriad to talk to me over teamspeak or MSN?
I've shown him only the greatest amount of patience in supporting him with his depression, with his relationship problems by being a kind friend kinda then some other ones and he bans/blocks me when he doesn't like the arguement at the first oppurtunity?
He also has a history from banning me from the TS server, sometimes just for the fun of it, its annoying and he used to do it when I'm playing a game that CANT be minimized!
I don't like how a game is going, I don't think its fun anymore cuz' its ALWAYS at my freaking expense I get into so much sh*t every evening because I end up waking up my parents just so I can play a game online with him and have some fun and he reacts like this? Why? He is an ass, he's always been an ass he's always doing things at my expense rarely does he every play the way that I consider fun. He always calls me an idiot when something goes wrong or if I don't notice something, he's SOOO perfect, he always does things at our expence. And he knows it too, he even apologized one time for it but I geuss he must've forgot what his christian values tought him.
Posted by Advent 115 (Member # 8914) on :
Well, I say that next time your playing as his ally. Kick his ass. Let him be the one to fall to enemies while you set back and watch. In this case turn abouts fair play. SO if you don't want to kick his butt, don't stop someone else from doing it to him.
Maybe then he'll learn his leason. Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
Probly won't happen relations between our two countries are as cool as ice, besides the messengers keep getting shot. No way to communicate,
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
quote:Example a) He's italy in Hoi2 and conquers scandinavia, he's "neutral" and thus lets an American armada of 100 ships cruise past denmark and invade me, tested in single player this causes me to lose everytime. I tell him this is his fault and violates his neutrality, he says he's neutral and doesn't matter. This makes him an accomplice to murder IMHO because if someone is gaurding a door and a friend is in the next room and a serial killer wants to get in to kill the friend what do you do? Be "neutral" and let him in? He says he's neutral it doesnt matter what happens.
Your reasoning is unsound here. Neutral is neutral, not allied.
quote:Also he keeps playing Ahistorically which always ends up screwing up the game (which runs off of "events") and a war at the wrong time will screw up the game, I do not like playing Ahistorically, is his attention span so low that he HAS to invade every 3rd nation?
It depends on whether there's an agreement not to play ahistorically. If he won't agree, and you really can't stand ahisotrical play, don't play with him.
quote:Then in Civ4 he refuses to let me play Russia on the EE3 mod because "its the only thing you play" its the only thing I like to play, why shouldn't I be allowed to play it?
Maybe he wants to play it? If not, he's being a dweeb.
Posted by Advent 115 (Member # 8914) on :
So invite doom upon him by talking to his enemies. Tell them that you will not interfere with their attemps to wipe him out.
As the old saying goes "The enemy of my enemy is my friend". So if you're so called friend has become an enemy, then let him fall. It may even be worth getting destroyed yourself once or twice if it will cause his down fall by doing so.
Posted by Reticulum (Member # 8776) on :
Famous saying:
"The enemy of your enemy is your friend."
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
He plays Venice or Ottomans or some other random country he believes that I should be random countries but on that map its cramped and its not my style to play cramped. So I play Russia, which gives me ALOT of territory to expand into but I overextend myself and end up with a slightly screwy economy for a while but thats okay its a tradeoff around rennesance tech I catch up and I have 10x the production of everyother nation combined.
Its not that we agree to it its that he AWAYS does it and to an extent that it makes it less fun to play, I like playing germany from 1936-1939 not invading any nations thats not scripted in by event, if he's germany he like invades Hungary off the bat, he deny's the historical agreement between Russia and Germany (thus preventing me from getting the baltic states or eastern poland or besserbia), one time I got my revenge by attacking him when he attacked france.
Its not that he's neutral, if one is neutral one does not aid EITHER SIDE, he knew that the Americans would land north or Berlin, didnt tell me or stop it, I did not think they would because I'm used to having denmark and he took it I assumed they wouldn't get past. By allowing US troops to go past Denmark he is aiding and abetting a enemy nation. An act of war in my book.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
If its the only 2 of us generally there's no one to talk to...
Posted by Advent 115 (Member # 8914) on :
So let the AI kick his butt then.
IM Reticulum?
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
Finally he unblocked me/unbaned me. But he's still an ass. He's hiding in another channel in ts, if I am such a baby why is he not talking to me?
Also, I have no particular style to how I play Hearts of Iron (different from civ) I prefer Communist China to Nationalist China, why? Becuase its a challenge, it doesnt mean i'ld like to play as luxemburg I just like my eggs well done, its all it is to it. No pattern, ComChi has the slim possibility of uniting China, I like going in single player and doing it, he says I shouldn't do it in multiplayer there's no point.
I like to play historically within limits, he likes to to unite china as nationalist china and conquer a land bridge to europe through afghanistan and persia and turkey
I wish I had 6-8 player games, this way I could negotiate with his enemies.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
Hey you guys wanna play Hearts of Iron? I can send it over ICQ.
Posted by Bob_Scopatz (Member # 1227) on :
Nah...I don't play with ba...
j/k.
I have no flipping idea what you are talking about. Nor can I figure out why you're upset. Sorry. It's probably just a geezer thing.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
quote:if I am such a baby why is he not talking to me?
You could both be babies. One doesn't preclude the other.
Posted by SteveRogers (Member # 7130) on :
Nasty language is not necessary. (I apologize for interrupting. But that is all I got out of this whole thread.)
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
yo 14/02/2006 5:19:36 PM Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." Danomite - im on ts 14/02/2006 5:19:38 PM Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." Danomite - and brb 14/02/2006 5:19:41 PM Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." Danomite - have to go to bathroom 14/02/2006 5:37:24 PM Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." Danomite - allo? 14/02/2006 7:02:50 PM Danomite - Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." radek says ur an ass for leaving 14/02/2006 7:03:00 PM Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." Danomite - **** it 14/02/2006 7:03:08 PM Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." Danomite - you did exactly what I told you NOT to do 14/02/2006 7:03:13 PM Danomite - Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." yes i did 14/02/2006 7:03:16 PM Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." Danomite - I have hmwk I can do instead 14/02/2006 7:03:35 PM Danomite - Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." he says u lie 14/02/2006 7:03:48 PM Danomite - Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." he says he did ur hwk for u 14/02/2006 7:03:55 PM Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." Danomite - no programming homework 14/02/2006 7:04:02 PM Danomite - Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." he says he did that 14/02/2006 7:04:06 PM Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." Danomite - I have to make a program that sells cars 14/02/2006 7:04:23 PM Danomite - Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." so do it at the same time 14/02/2006 7:04:37 PM Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." Danomite - I was until you kicked me from teamspeak 14/02/2006 7:04:45 PM Danomite - Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." so dont come on ts 14/02/2006 7:04:52 PM Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." Danomite - no 14/02/2006 7:04:59 PM Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." Danomite - apologize and I'll play 14/02/2006 7:05:05 PM Danomite - Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." radek says sry 14/02/2006 7:05:15 PM Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." Danomite - RADEKJ HAD NOTHING TO ****ING DO WITH IT 14/02/2006 7:05:20 PM Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." Danomite - YOU KICKED ME 14/02/2006 7:05:25 PM Danomite - Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." he still says sry 14/02/2006 7:05:31 PM Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." Danomite - Nyet 14/02/2006 7:05:38 PM Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." Danomite - you and ONLY YOU apologize 14/02/2006 7:05:42 PM Danomite - Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." why should i say sry 14/02/2006 7:05:46 PM Danomite - Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." ur were being an ass 14/02/2006 7:05:51 PM Danomite - Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." u deserved it 14/02/2006 7:06:08 PM Danomite - Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." what ever im gona be humble unlike someone else 14/02/2006 7:06:14 PM Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." Danomite - oh and you always going on how my computer is crappy or how its always my fault and i should get a better machines etc etc 14/02/2006 7:06:15 PM Danomite - Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." im sry for u kicking u 14/02/2006 7:06:18 PM Danomite - Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." now get on here 14/02/2006 8:34:16 PM Danomite - Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." You are such ****ing baby 14/02/2006 8:34:16 PM Danomite - Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." seriously 14/02/2006 8:34:17 PM Danomite - Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." it would make 0 difference if u were here or not 14/02/2006 8:34:26 PM Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." Danomite - thats not the point 14/02/2006 8:34:36 PM Danomite - Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." u havent been talking for the longest time 14/02/2006 8:34:37 PM Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." Danomite - the point you deliberately attacked when I was AFK 14/02/2006 8:34:45 PM Danomite - Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." no u ended turn 14/02/2006 8:34:46 PM Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." Danomite - that is being an ass in the extreme 14/02/2006 8:34:50 PM Danomite - Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." u were back 14/02/2006 8:34:54 PM Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." Danomite - I did not see you at war with me 14/02/2006 8:35:13 PM Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." Danomite - what I did was walk in and out of the room 14/02/2006 8:35:24 PM Danomite - Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." i declared war as soon as i took the workers 14/02/2006 8:35:25 PM Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." Danomite - and press enter so that i wouldnt drag on the game 14/02/2006 8:35:28 PM Danomite - Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." blitz 14/02/2006 8:35:41 PM Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." Danomite - exactly I had just gotten back after you did that 14/02/2006 8:35:51 PM Danomite - Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." i had just did that 14/02/2006 8:35:54 PM Danomite - Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." ts lag 14/02/2006 8:35:56 PM Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." Danomite - 30 turns gone 14/02/2006 8:36:02 PM Danomite - Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." u said the second i declared 14/02/2006 8:36:14 PM Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." Danomite - no, you dowed me in Civ you said ou werent talking thus no ts lag 14/02/2006 8:36:15 PM Danomite - Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." not after i captured the workers 14/02/2006 8:36:23 PM Danomite - Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." yes 14/02/2006 8:36:26 PM Danomite - Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." dowed in civ 14/02/2006 8:36:32 PM Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." Danomite - the first thing you did was capture my workers 14/02/2006 8:36:39 PM Danomite - Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." u said wtf imidately 14/02/2006 8:36:40 PM Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." Danomite - and you had agreed we'ld negotiate that city 14/02/2006 8:36:45 PM Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." Danomite - you are not trustworthy 14/02/2006 8:36:58 PM Danomite - Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." yes 14/02/2006 8:37:04 PM Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." Danomite - you spend each game we play dedicated to being an ass and backstabbing me each and every time 14/02/2006 8:37:05 PM Danomite - Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." this is my negotations 14/02/2006 8:37:11 PM Danomite - Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." u give me the city or loose them all 14/02/2006 8:37:18 PM Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." Danomite - no 14/02/2006 8:37:24 PM Danomite - Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." then learn not to trust me! 14/02/2006 8:37:25 PM Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." Danomite - I am simply not playing if that is the case 14/02/2006 8:38:13 PM Danomite - Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." well whatever 14/02/2006 8:38:23 PM Danomite - Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." i dont care if U are being an ass 14/02/2006 8:38:31 PM Danomite - Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." cause u lost fairly 14/02/2006 8:38:34 PM Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." Danomite - stop trying to convice yourself 14/02/2006 8:38:40 PM Danomite - Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." im not 14/02/2006 8:38:42 PM Danomite - Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." it was fair 14/02/2006 8:38:48 PM Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." Danomite - it was unfair you attacked me when I was mostly afk 14/02/2006 8:38:52 PM Danomite - Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." there was nothing u could do even if u were there 14/02/2006 8:38:59 PM Danomite - Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." which u were 14/02/2006 8:39:20 PM Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." Danomite - for one thing I accidentily moved an archer out because I was trying to talk via teamspeak but pressed the wrong button 14/02/2006 8:39:28 PM Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." Danomite - so there's the possibility that archer couldve done more 14/02/2006 8:39:34 PM Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." Danomite - and you took out all my workers 14/02/2006 8:39:45 PM Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." Danomite - then you destroyed my roads before that 14/02/2006 8:39:46 PM Danomite - Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." 2 horsearchers, 1 chariot, 3 warriors 14/02/2006 8:39:48 PM Danomite - Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." u lost the city 14/02/2006 8:39:56 PM Danomite - Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." yes the road was fair as well 14/02/2006 8:39:56 PM Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." Danomite - I had 2 warriors 2 archers 14/02/2006 8:40:01 PM Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." Danomite - no it was not 14/02/2006 8:40:12 PM Danomite - Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." u are seriously being a winny bitch u know that 14/02/2006 8:40:21 PM Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." Danomite - that was my property it was between my cities it was built by me you are retarded to think otherwise 14/02/2006 8:40:26 PM Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." Danomite - **** yuo 14/02/2006 8:40:26 PM Danomite - Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." no 14/02/2006 8:40:32 PM Danomite - Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." ur borders didnt cover it 14/02/2006 8:40:34 PM Danomite - Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." thus not yours 14/02/2006 8:40:45 PM Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." Danomite - oh stop being a ****ing dunce 14/02/2006 8:40:59 PM Danomite - Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." screw it im blocking u 14/02/2006 8:41:12 PM Mao "The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history." Danomite - just because my borders doesn't cover it doesnt mean that with COMMON SENSE that it is an important part of my territory
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
Ah crap gimme a moment I'll make it more readable.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
Blayne, seriously, you need to find some friends with whom you can play some games face-to-face. The Internet is not helping you socialize.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
We play over VOIP, voice over IP so we can at least hear each other, also pleae not to switch Mao with Dano, Mao is Me and Dano is him, like Dano TO Mao and MAO TO Dano. thats what the dash means...
Posted by prolixshore (Member # 4496) on :
Blayne....stop playing games. Stop posting the transcripts of things you and a guy on the internet say to each other during games. Listen to Tom. Tom is smart.
--ApostleRadio
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
games.... stop..... playing.....
I'm sorry but I can't understand what your saying, its like your speaking english but the words just go asplode upon connecting.
Posted by King of Men (Member # 6684) on :
More to the point, stop playing HoI2. There's a reason the rest of the Pdox forums laughs at them, and this is a perfect illustration. Play Eu2 or CK.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
EU2 is frustrating my entire army dies from attrition alone, there's little semblance of strategy of maneuvability and nor do I possess CK or Vicky else I join your games.
Posted by Enigmatic (Member # 7785) on :
You should play some classic arcade-style games, like Joust. Nobody ever kills their friends in Joust.
--Enigmatic
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
... Maybe I should play Terra Enigma, its supposedly a good game... or maybe ff7.... BUT they're not good strategy games...
Posted by King of Men (Member # 6684) on :
So, don't stash 100k men in a 2-supply province in a Russian winter. And in all honesty, I'm not quite convinced I want to play with you. You would certainly be on probation, quite frankly.
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
quote:he's "neutral" and thus lets an American armada of 100 ships cruise past denmark and invade me
Prisoners Dilemma. Defect is the dominant strategy.
And I have to agree. Blayne, it's a game. If something or someone in an online game is bothering you so much, turn off the computer and go for a walk. Do something new.
The beauty of the computer or the internet is that you can walk away.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
Grr.... it has too much of a hold on me. And yes I understand I would be on a sort've "trial basis", but I serious doubt I'ld worry about the same issues, you guys try to rp it even a little bit.
Posted by Juxtapose (Member # 8837) on :
quote:Posted by Blayne Bradley: Its not that he's neutral, if one is neutral one does not aid EITHER SIDE, he knew that the Americans would land north or Berlin, didnt tell me or stop it, I did not think they would because I'm used to having denmark and he took it I assumed they wouldn't get past. By allowing US troops to go past Denmark he is aiding and abetting a enemy nation. An act of war in my book.
Listen to Dag on this one Blayne. As a neutral country, he can either: A. Make an agressive act against a powerful foreign fleet not threatening him to render aid to you, or, B. Do nothing. Even if doing nothing can really be construed as as aiding the fleet, which I'm not really convinced of, it's certainly far more neutral than threatening or attacking said fleet.
I understand you feel betrayed because he didn't come to your aid, but let this one go. And if your friend/ex-friend is such a pain to play with, you could try playing with others until he comes around.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
Probly, communications are almsot nonexistant as it is but for a 5 hour game its hard to find a random person who will stay the whole way.
Posted by King of Men (Member # 6684) on :
In my opinion, the Straits of Denmark, the Dardanelles, and the Straits of Gibraltar should be closeable without having to park a fleet in them, just from how densely stash mines there. Indeed, sea warfare (and trade) is one of the major weaknesses of Paradox games.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
oh I agree, money should have a far larger importance then just the cost of diplomatic deals and research it should also represent the value opr your currency and exports/imports.
Posted by Advent 115 (Member # 8914) on :
After finishing reading that mind numbing conversation you had with you're friend, I really don't understand how he is you're friend if he acts like that. You should kick his reality and cyber ass for being such a jerk. I mean man, he sounded bad from your descriptions. But he is an even bigger ass from your conversations.
So I say you should go all out on his sorry buttocks.
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