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Unifism: And the Blue Print towards World Peace and Socialism.
Written by Blayne Bradley.
War... poverty... disease... grief... crime... hatred... despair... There is a legend that when Pandora opened the box all these evils were unleashed into the world.
Today, we have nations over a hundred nations each one trying to outdo the others, mankind at the pinnacle of our scientific advancement with so much more to go has for the first time in history the ability to wipe ourselves from the face of the Earth. If the world we an island the top 10 hold the wealth of the remaining 90.
But throughout all this there is hope, our scientific advancement and highly technological society gives us the ability to fully feed every single human being, we can make so that with time and investment everyone can have access to proper medical facilities, a source of income and the possibility of attaining a higher place in society for as long as they are willing to work towards it.
But politics, borders, protectionism, wars, arms races, corruption, conspiracies against the people and a state of fear blanket all this, an invention in one nation may not be accessible by all, some 900,000,000,000 pounds are spent each year by the world on military budgets which could easily under the better circumstances go into the welfare of the people and ensuring that everyone everywhere can live with eh same rights and abilities as every other human being.
As of now we have our newest modern Pandora's Box, nuclear arms, the greatest travesty to befall humanity and ironically the symbolism that great potential can be unleashed from the smallest insignificant speck. Nuclear power can furnish 90% of our energy needs and last some 200,000 years at full consumption; convenient Fusion can last us indefinitely and cover 99% of our needs.
But large corporations and special interests groups work against the drive for change towards alternative fuels, only the Arabs in their foolish nearsightedness provided the West with a sufficient reason to turn towards alternative sources of fuel or else be brought to our knees by the Middle East and Islamic Fundamentalism.
We have so much more potential but so many problems and challenges, but we are not lost yet, we have in our possession the ability to eliminate all borders, to centralize military power and make it the tools of the People and not of government or bankers, to organize the world and to strip away bureaucracies and thus work towards the goal of peace.
And this tool, this last glimmering weapon of justice, peace, and freedom is:
The United Nations. Under a strong General Secretariat.
But to accomplish the Unification of Mankind under a single central government (with of course regional administration capitols we can't all be administered from Beijing)
we would need all political power and all military executive power to be in the hands of the United Nations, no nation could be allowed to possess a military force of any consideration, none would be allowed to conduct diplomacy, free trade would be enforced throughout all nations, freedom of speech while applauded on paper would be have to be brutally oppressed to allow the UN to have full control over the planet until all terrestrial threats to unification can be dealt with.
Religion would be crushed and replaced with the religion of the state, for after all loyalty higher then to the UN would be a threat to Unifying Humanity. While the wars for control of the planet rage democratic process would have to be suspended or else the terrorists would have the ability to strike through the gaps in our security.
The system of government will and would have to be Totalitarian, Orwellian in nature for it would be many years before the control of humanity would be consolidated in the hands of a central government, based in Moskva, Peking, Geneva, Robeiro Preto and the newly founded Gordongrad.
“In our state, naturally, there can be no place for freedom of speech, press, and so on for the foes of socialism," wrote Andrei Vishinsky in The Law of the Soviet State.
I shall take the liberty to modify it to: "There shall be no Freedom of speech, Freedom of the Press, no Rights to Bear Arms, or Freedom of Religion and no Rights to freely assemble for The Enemies of the People."- Blayne Bradley
All secret societies (if they exist) would be banned and routed of their holes and revealed to all of humanity for their countless crimes.
Once unified and peace if established, many government socialist policies and economic reforms would need to be carried out. Unstable regions in say Africa would be transformed into Special Economic Zones where heavy investment in infrastructure, peace keeping and mass campaigns for education and reform can transform Africa as we know it into modern self-sustaining administrational regions.
-Free trade to allow the careful euthanasia of obsolete firms and corporations and the globalization of economics, to allow people everywhere access to cheap goods and heavy economic growth and access to loans and investment. The market will be freely oriented towards an open market with elements of state planning to allow economic growth and to carefully manage it to lessen any adverse affects.
-The demobilization of the worlds armed forces and the redirection of the armed budgets towards economic growth, R&D, and Practical Applications of Space Technology (PAST) to allow hopefully the fastest spurt in technological knowledge ever achieved the and direction of man's efforts towards worthy goals of colonization of the cosmos and the tearing down of the light speed barrier.
-A massive effort will be undergone to allow as much of the planets surface as possible to have access to clean water, easily accessible foodstuff's, medical care and transportation to the workforce and access to a free education until say university level. (Though this should be regional, like how the Canadian provinces control their own education).
-Education will be reformed with a massive infusion of capitol to allow dynamic education and help to students falling behind, transport to remote students, higher standards for teachers and maybe a greater emphasis on practicality and results.
-While oppressive overall the students will not be interfered with even allowed to dissent through their Komosol organizations because free thinking and creative students will allow the most effective results since after all, students if allowed to vent early on become more productive members of society later.
How would the UN get this far? Through the cunning of a single leader and his/her cohorts able to manipulate world opinion, politics and wars all planned to lead the world to a brink of war and to arrive "triumphantly" in the nick of time to avert it through the desperate attempts by old and scared politicians to keep away the inevitable and keep the political status quo through the granting of emergency powers to the General Secretary even to the point of superseding the Veto powers of a possible extended Security Council.
Through manipulation and power politics eventually the "free" world lead by the United States and the Western most EU nations and NATO members will eventually get their heads out of the sand and challenge the UN in the hopes of dismantling a system that is going to far and hopefully ruining its plans, but unbeknownst to them this falls right into the hands of the General Secretary of the United Nations and allows for the GS. to gain the final leap of emergency powers needed to fully run and execute the war for the final Unification of Mankind, since if working within the UN the West would be able to be a thorn in its side but by declaring themselves the mission to destroy it and breaking from it provides the perfect created opportunity to eliminate the final external threat from its rule and once eliminate only internal threats remain.
Political opponents, known or unknown, real or imagined are quickly purged or else risk them sabotaging the United Earth Directorate. Political parties running on the global and regional scale are banned but local politics are untouched, since an empire based on blood and toil cannot stand for long, or else the true political power will fall away from the central government and instead will come into the hands of local Generals and Military Prefectures, and true power will quickly evaporate and fade into a morass of struggle between warlords.
"Political Power grows out of the barrel of a gun, the Party controls the gun and the gun can never control the Party" - Mao Tse-tung.
All political power falls either directly in the hands of the World Central Oversight Committee and the reformed Security Council (headed now by Regional General Secretaries) or indirectly through rigged one Party Elections or "Ghost" parties who share basic ideological principles but differ on the details but are trusted not to upset the boat and are allowed to compete in local, regional elections. For example for the Greater China Administration Region both the KMT and the CPC would be allowed to run for they are sister parties who share many core principles and hero's. Sun Yat Sen the founder of the KMT is well revered in Mainland China today. And on the side note assuming that the Democrat and Republican Parties aren't abolished for their action in the war would also be allowed to compete since they're basically the same party.
But all in all the wise government of the Central Committee, the UED Politburo, the Security Council, and the General Secretary of the United Earth Directorate would not could not be challenged by any democratic consensus or else the conspirators will bring down the government and bring back the wars and poverty of before to fill their own pockets with gold.
Crimes against the People. Crimes against Humanity, shall now take on a whole new meaning as secret Societies and conspirators real or imagined are eliminated and hunted down. No mercy to those who would enslave humanity.
Languages:
Diversification of the Earth's mother tongues of course would be encouraged for a loss of language is a loss of knowledge. Though English, Mandarin, and Russian would be the primary languages spoken in trade, technology, and political discussion, the mother tongues of national regions would be teacher in schools as per the autonomy given to education but one of the Big Three MUST be taught as well in High School, if the Mother Tongue is English then a student has the choice of one of the remaining two.
All citizens with no criminal record have the right to join the Party. No questions asked.
All Citizens with criminal records are subject to the possibility of getting refused entry, undergo a probationary period, and even must accept that he/she will be surveyed for an extended and unknowns to him period.
-Taxation:
Taxes will be handled in a short and to the point manner of a poll consumption tax (starLisa's idea) and a subsequent income tax for the rich. Thus the poor can have the breathing space to live plentiful lives yet also contribute to their government services (free Medicare, education, mass transit, etc). The rich because they can pay more will be taxed more to prevent them from thinking they can ride rodeshough over the less fortunate and to help pay for "extra's" such as R&D and Space Exploration.
-Excellence: rewards, in both the forms of noble prizes and etc will be bestowed upon those who contribute greatly to sciences regardless of religious or political affiliation because their contribution is a great service to humanity and thus will also be rewarded with the Red Star of Humanity and their names entombed on the Great Memorial of Minds.
But work and continued progress are expected, for laziness and complacency are no-no's.
No books will be banned and there shall be no censorship of materials, but each book will be cataloged and each citizen must fill out a census of the owned works and must register of what they personally own.
-Internet: every effort will be made to ensure the free and easy access of the internet to all students first and then average citizens second (laws of priority). The internet will be organized into "zones" to make it easier to search and to avoid smut. If one wish to see legal smut one must pay for it. The UED has the obligation to provide internet services and to maintain its servers and will make no effort to control its use past the minimum needed to fight the terrorists and secret societies.
-Legalism: Common law will be acknowledged giving autonomy to local judges and regional supreme courts to interpret the law to best suit the situation, but ultimately the death penalty will be given to all those who cross the line and have sufficient proof that they have committed a capitol crime.
-Colonies: Any and all space colonies will be governed by a Territorial Charter in which a separate legal and political system exists granting full autonomy to the colonies to ensure maximum productivity and to encourage settlement.
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I'll post the final part soon.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
And don't be afraid to post in the mean time. I don't have thought police yet.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
OK. I would resist any such attempt to the death.
Preferably not mine, but if necessary...
Posted by SteveRogers (Member # 7130) on :
I heard a rumor that you, Blanye Bradley, are actually another Hatracker in disguise. Is this true?
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
Sid Meier? Josef Stalin? Which one?
Posted by smitty (Member # 8855) on :
joining Dag's resistance
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
Haven't any fo yuo read 1984? Your better of joining the UED, since having a underground movement helps me since it validates the claims that there are INDEED terrorists working towards tearing down world peace and prosperity. Your only validating my paranoia .
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
If I thought you had any chance of success, I might even consider a pre-emptive strike.
Posted by SteveRogers (Member # 7130) on :
quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: Sid Meier? Josef Stalin? Which one?
Sid Meier.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
Okay, but I'm not in disguise in fact I was quite obnoxially loud in my declaration that I was changing names and thus persona's.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
Josef Stalin changed his name, too.
Posted by smitty (Member # 8855) on :
Blayne, go back to the video games. Don't follow any of that advice about going outside.
Posted by SteveRogers (Member # 7130) on :
quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: Okay, but I'm not in disguise in fact I was quite obnoxially loud in my declaration that I was changing names and thus persona's.
I guess I missed the announcement.
Posted by smitty (Member # 8855) on :
I'm wondering if anyone noticed it.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
It was well known.
Posted by SteveRogers (Member # 7130) on :
I was probably gone when it happened. It isn't that big of a deal.
Posted by smitty (Member # 8855) on :
is this persona less defective than the last?
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
Okay, I am making a list, you can avoid going on the list if you recant any affiliation with the Knights of Dagonee.
Posted by Mintieman (Member # 4620) on :
“Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.”
Ben Franklin
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
quote:Okay, I am not making a list, you can avoid going on the list
Practicing that confusing government logic, I see.
Posted by smitty (Member # 8855) on :
Ooooh... Knights of Dagonee... it has kind of a ring to it.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
Propoganda, it is mearly the attempts to sabotage World Peace and stability!
Anyone who joins the Terrorist group will have their entire adult family executed for affiliation with traitors and saboteurs and all children sent to the gulags to work in sweatshops.
Posted by smitty (Member # 8855) on :
scary.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
Speaking of which have all of you read my essay through and through? I'm quite surprised and I find it a form of praise.
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
Blayne, I am more convinced than ever that you are secretly a fanatical capitalist who is determined to make Communism seem even dumber than it already does.
But Blayne, it isn't necessary. Honest, it's not.
Posted by smitty (Member # 8855) on :
I'm wondering if he's just stealing the idea from "Left Behind", or if he's just that....
Nevermind.
I wouldn't consider it praise.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
I have a plan, and its a great plan, and I'll reveal it soon enough.
quote:Nearly all creators of Utopia have resembled the man who has toothache, and therefore thinks happiness consists in not having toothache. They wanted to produce a perfect society by an endless continuation of something that had only been valuable because it was temporary. The wider course would be to say that there are certain lines along which humanity must move, the grand strategy is mapped out, but detailed prophecy is not our business. Whoever tries to imagine perfection simply reveals his own emptiness.
quote:The fallacy is to believe that under a dictatorial government you can be free inside. Quite a number of people console themselves with this thought, now that totalitarianism in one form or another is visibly on the up-grade in every part of the world. Out in the street the loudspeakers bellow, the flags flutter from the rooftops, the police with their tommy-guns prowl to and fro, the face of the Leader, four feet wide, glares from every hoarding; but up in the attics the secret enemies of the regime can record their thoughts in perfect freedom -- that is the idea, more or less
quote:If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
quote:Thus, for example, tanks, battleships and bombing planes are inherently tyrannical weapons, while rifles, muskets, long-bows, and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon — so long as there is no answer to it — gives claws to the weak.
Look closely at my works and compare them to George Orwell and maybe one can find out what I wish. I'll post ym revelation soon enough.
Posted by smitty (Member # 8855) on :
Can't. Hardly. Wait.
Posted by Vadon (Member # 4561) on :
Nationalism isn't dead, thankfully.
There are so many flaws in the ideas that it really just wouldn't work. Plus my morals wouldn't let me stand by and allow it to go quietly.
Posted by LadyDove (Member # 3000) on :
Blayne,
You put so much thought and effort into the essay, I have to ask, are you serious or just playing... something like Jennifer Government?
The idea of worldwide peace and equal distribution of resources is a noble one. However, I believe that once a human's basic needs are met, he wants more. He wants to use his talents, to search for a higher purpose, to give beyond himself.
What you're proposing is perpetual childhood for mankind or a perpetual prison. As domestic as we mere humans seem, we are still wild and are never content when held captive.
Posted by cheiros do ender (Member # 8849) on :
quote:All secret societies (if they exist) would be banned and routed of their holes and revealed to all of humanity for their countless crimes.
Not sure if that has already been laughed at, but I thought I would, just to be on the safe side.
Posted by Morbo (Member # 5309) on :
Well, if they exist, then their crimes are countless, as in numerous. If they don't, then countless as in nothing to count. Makes perfect sense under time-cube law which all economists deny publicly but know is true!
My favorite part is this:
quote: Crimes against Humanity, shall now take on a whole new meaning as secret Societies and conspirators real or imagined are eliminated and hunted down.
Release the hypothetical hounds!! Posted by cheiros do ender (Member # 8849) on :
I once thought World Peace was the stupidest idea to have ever been thought up. But World Peace under a communistic regime...
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
I want to start an imagined secret society...
-pH
Posted by Morbo (Member # 5309) on :
I'm the treasurer of my imaginary secret society. I was the leader, but I was deposed. Even my unconscious is against me! Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
I am imaginary Chancellor of ALL imaginary societies.
Soon, we shall rise up against the corporeal oppressors!
-pH
Posted by Juxtapose (Member # 8837) on :
I resent your attempts, as benign as they are, to rob me of my right to free smut. You can expect me to resist in the strongest possible meaning of the word.
Also, I'm going to begin hoarding.
Posted by prolixshore (Member # 4496) on :
Please don't think that the fact that I read your stuff is praising you. I read it for the same reason people slow down to look at a car wreck.
::joins dags resistance::
--ApostleRadio
Posted by smitty (Member # 8855) on :
Dangit Prolix, I was going to get on here and mention rubbernecking this morning Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
quote:Diversification of the Earth's mother tongues of course would be encouraged for a loss of language is a loss of knowledge. Though English, Mandarin, and Russian would be the primary languages spoken in trade, technology, and political discussion, the mother tongues of national regions would be teacher in schools as per the autonomy given to education but one of the Big Three MUST be taught as well in High School, if the Mother Tongue is English then a student has the choice of one of the remaining two.
1) Why Russian? Good heavens, NO ONE speaks Russian. French or Spanish is a better choice for the Big 3, because French is already taught in most schools all over the globe, and Spanish is spoken by the majority of the inhabitants of the continent that is, arguably, the most resource rich on the planet.
2) If you're shooting for Orwellian Big Brother, this one stipulation will undo everything. Big Brother loves the minimilization of language. He loves the destruction of native dialects. Don't you remember what Winston's job was? Destroying words, until the whole language consists of only two: BIG BROTHER, spoken with fervent love.
Where there is power to express dissent, dissent will be expressed.
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
quote:But throughout all this there is hope, our scientific advancement and highly technological society gives us the ability to fully feed every single human being, we can make so that with time and investment everyone can have access to proper medical facilities, a source of income and the possibility of attaining a higher place in society for as long as they are willing to work towards it.
A "higher place in society?" Seems an awful shallow goal, and, by the way, will utterly defeat the egalitarianism you set out to erect. (Class warfare)
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
Esperanto!
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by LadyDove: Blayne,
You put so much thought and effort into the essay, I have to ask, are you serious or just playing... something like Jennifer Government?
Have you read that? I saw it at Borders, but couldn't decide if it was worth reading.
Posted by KarlEd (Member # 571) on :
quote:we would need all political power and all military executive power to be in the hands of the United Nations, no nation could be allowed to possess a military force of any consideration, none would be allowed to conduct diplomacy, free trade would be enforced throughout all nations, freedom of speech while applauded on paper would be have to be brutally oppressed to allow the UN to have full control over the planet until all terrestrial threats to unification can be dealt with.
I disagree with this premise. I think a United World Government could be created while allowing individual member states to maintain military/police forces, and while all constitutional freedoms we Americans currently enjoy are maintained.
Having rejected your premise, I must admit the rest of what you wrote held little real interest.
So add me to the Knights of Dagonee. I'd rather die a KoD than live as a Bradlacky. Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
If all nations still have their military forces what keeps them from trying to break away or attack the other members who have agreed to demobilize?
quote:A "higher place in society?" Seems an awful shallow goal, and, by the way, will utterly defeat the egalitarianism you set out to erect. (Class warfare)
I do not mean it as in aristocracy I mean it as in work for 5 years in University get good grades and be able to run a company upon recieving a loan kind of thing, but this isn't aways availiable in ALL nations. The point is Socialism not Communism, practicallity vs. the ideal to equalize the wealth to the point where it isn't highway robbery but government services and research is paid for via consumption and income tax for the very rich.
And Russian is a ass kicking language! The point is that the rule is dictareral to extension yes but the rewritting of languages and minimizing it is not a goal, the point is to keep humanity brilliant and creative to allow scientific advance in the long term.
Now the final final point I'll post when I'm good and ready.
As for if I'm serious/joking, I'm joking to the extent that I think this will be a good premise for a book. Serious to the extent that I think it COULD happen and maybe upon my final theorizing of it, maybe what SHOULD happen.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
quote:If all nations still have their military forces what keeps them from trying to break away or attack the other members who have agreed to demobilize?
A love of or respect for their leadership, perhaps?
If you can't explain why these nations might love and respect their leaders, I submit that you have a problem.
Posted by KarlEd (Member # 571) on :
All States in the USA have the right to form and maintain military. (i.e. The National Guard). They also maintain their own state and local police forces. What keeps the Virginia National Guard from invading Maryland?
I think it would be a stronger world government if it grew through common desire rather than from force, something like the current European Union seems to do, at least economically. If enough peace-loving nations of the world were to join together as a truely United Nation with member states similar to our US states, it's possible that eventually all other countries could be assimilated.
I think the answer to the problem is actually increased freedoms rather than decreased freedoms. If everyone were free to cross borders, buy and sell as they like (for the most part), and live in the "state" of their choosing and if everyone enjoyed freedom of press and speech and access to information similar to what we do in the US, I think it's inevitable that peoples across the globe would want to be part of such a World Government. The trick is to guarantee the freedoms through force, not squelch them through force.
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
quote:As for if I'm serious/joking, I'm joking to the extent that I think this will be a good premise for a book.
Well, you're quite right to joke about it-- it's a terribly overdone cliche.
Any society that tries to enforce equality through external means (legislation) will enforce it unequally, and thus drive dissent and dissatisfaction. This doesn't mean equality SHOULDN'T be legalized-- but the US has had civil liberties for all citizens for, what, 50 years now? And we're still battling racism, classism, etc.
Further, what Tom said. Love and respect is the answer.
quote:And Russian is a ass kicking language! The point is that the rule is dictareral to extension yes but the rewritting of languages and minimizing it is not a goal,
I've got no beef against Russian as a language. It just isn't widely spoken.
quote:the point is to keep humanity brilliant and creative to allow scientific advance in the long term.
No. You have outlined a method of intellectual stagnation and repression. Brilliance, creativity, and science flourish best under freedom.
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
Wow.
quote:"There shall be no Freedom of speech, Freedom of the Press, no Rights to Bear Arms, or Freedom of Religion and no Rights to freely assemble for The Enemies of the People"
All secret societies (if they exist) would be banned and routed of their holes and revealed to all of humanity for their countless crimes.
I don't know where to start. Dear Bradley, your secret police may have good intentions about the enemies of the people, but when they arrest and murder the wife and children of a peaceful political dissident who has managed to escape your clutches, you will get ME joining your banned secret societies and resistances, and sneaking around at night, and risking my life, in order to oppose your regime. I would print the books and underground newspapers that you had surpressed.
Your courts would be full of cases, but held behind closed doors, the defendants unrepresented and sentanced to lifelong inprisonment. They would disappear from the streets, leaving families behind, families who would then bear the brunt of distrust and exclusion, "observation".
Your intelligent ranting students would also be observed, for fear their rants aren't just harmless diversions, and when they make a move, as young and idealistic as you are today, they would disappear.
quote:Thus, for example, tanks, battleships and bombing planes are inherently tyrannical weapons, while rifles, muskets, long-bows, and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons.
Your romantic sense of history is completely obfusticating your view. What is a hand grenade but a weapon of mass destruction? What is a rifle but a gun? You think people will use long-bows when they have the technology to built machine guns?
quote:Crimes against the People. Crimes against Humanity, shall now take on a whole new meaning as secret Societies and conspirators real or imagined are eliminated and hunted down. No mercy to those who would enslave humanity.
YOU would enslave humanity. You regulate everything into the ground, even what people may speak and read and learn. YOU would terrorize people with violence and terror and call their obedience 'love'.
quote:No. You have outlined a method of intellectual stagnation and repression. Brilliance, creativity, and science flourish best under freedom.
Yes.
Dude, Bradley. You are so naive. Read 1984. Read Fahreheit 451. Read Brave New World. Read A Day In The Life of Ivan Denisovitch. Read about fear and violence under fascism and communism. Repressive regimes are not glorious, they are bloody and horrible.
You can put me on your list.
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
I was a world-builder.
Back in 1994, I was asked to work on the design of a new system of government for Israel. It was part of a project to create a Constitution that would be consistent with Jewish law.
I was given the economy to work on. And work on it I did. Of course, to control an economy, you really need to control a lot of other things as well. I'm not going to give any details about the abomination I put together, other than to say that if anyone ever tries to implement anything even slightly similar in lands where I am living, you all can tell your friends that you knew me before I became an assassin.
Blayne, you're young. You want to do good. You want to help make a world that's a good and decent place for people to live. But the ideas you have are imbecilic.
When you get older, you'll realize that you can't force people to do the right thing. You can't force people to do anything. Not unless you want to be a moral viper.
No one has a right to have what other people have. No one had a right to be happy and healthy and fulfilled. They only have the right to strive for those things.
And Blayne, there will always be individuals who care about individuality. Who care about freedom. Who will destroy any attempts such as yours to tell the rest of us what is right and wrong, and what we can and cannot do.
I could tell you what derailed me from my megalomaniacal idiocy, but who knows if it'd have the same effect on you. I was 31 already, and even though what I was doing was as stupidly adolescent as what you're doing, I did at least have more life experience than you do.
Fun and games is fun and games, people, but why encourage him?
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
Here's the thing though, how many people actually do cherish the everyday freedoms they have? Isn't the voting turn out for the US elections 20%? How many people take such freedoms for granted take EVERYTHING for granted and hope the problems will go away or that government will solve everything, will willingly become lazy because they know if they don't work nothing bad will happen, the economy will get along without them just fine etc etc. The evryday problems of survival of a people an ocean away don't matter for as long as the generic person gets his computers and ipods, "who cares who gets elected they're all the same anyways"?
The point is to create the most brutal and effective government of history, ensure that every spec of humanity knows what the greatest horror can be, live in an everyday situtation where they KNOW that they long ago through inaction lost their voice, lost their say.
By creating such an effective and total government that is that is nearly omnipresent in its ability to control people, by through its very oppression creates the very enemies they use in turn to justify their brutality.
Humanity will learn its lesson the hard way and when the leader dies and the politicians reshuffle themselves and they're means of control become less effective and less subtle the system will begin to fray on the edges, the students will crowd the streets and the government squares and through circumstance the government will fall and newly democratic elections will take place, and thus build on foundations of concrete and building of social world democracy will take its place and never again will humanity allow politics to slide so far from public control, never again will the People ALLOW such a brutal NWO to take place, the United Nations/United Earth Directorate will remain in place and the world will know true peace and true freedom from oppression.
For a government to run the world effectively already as was the case for regional administration zones will have to decentralize to the point where the world does become an evolution of the United States, but different, more free, more prosperous and no more fear. From either above or around.
Often the best results are gained not through constant modification of an artwork but through its shattering and reconstruction, into something far greater and more beautiful then before.
Posted by King of Men (Member # 6684) on :
Piffle. Hitler wasn't bad enough to teach such a lesson? 'The only thing we learn from history, is that we learn nothing from history'. Your 'lesson' would last a generation, two at most; then it would fade, along with the older tyrannies of Stalin, Hitler, the Kaiser Wilhelm, Leopold of Belgium, the 1848 repressions... And the cycle would begin anew. Why not skip the middleman and learn from the examples we already have?
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
Just for reference, the voter turnout for the 2004 US election was 55.3%, not 20%. The rest of your post is too ridiculous for me to take the time to comment on.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Blayne -- you are not Leto II. Far from it.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
For one thing, he's too short.
I can safely say this without having any idea how tall Blayne is.
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
ElJay, is that higher or lower than the election before? In the recent Canadian election, voter turnout (which hit an all-time low in the preceding election) nudged upward somewhat at least partly because it was a close race. I'm curious to know if the same happened in the U.S. election.
Added: Or I could look it up myself. I think it took longer to write the post than it did to find my answer. >_<
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
Wow-- what happened between '92 and '96 to cause the percentage to drop 6 points?
(No one wanted to vote for Dole, and couldn't stomach voting for Clinton...)
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
And then in 2000, Al Gore was so dull that everyone just stayed home. Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
It is no surprise to me that the midterm elections always have a smaller turn-out than the presidential elections, but I find it somewhat distressing that the decline in turn-out since 1960 is more for the midterm elections as well. The gap is getting wider. Even though I don't like some aspects of y'all's election system, I do think it's good that you don't run into that particular problem.
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
Well, turnout in our 2004 election was the lowest ever -- 61% or some such. Here is a graph I Googled up. According to Elections Canada, turnout in the 2006 election was 64.9%.
Posted by LadyDove (Member # 3000) on :
starLisa,
I haven't read Jennifer Government, but I've played the game. I have a friend who read it and thought it was interesting, but wasn't overly enthusiastic about it.
Blayne, So you're willing to sacrifice thousands of people to overcome apathy? Here's a thought, why don't you put your powers of reasoning into creating a person or institution that everyone wants to run towards rather than from?
I think that one of the things that the US has done well is become something that the masses want to run toward. If we could just identify and amplify those qualities that made thousands leave home, hearth and family to create a life here, then we may be able to stage a bloodless coup.
I'm not saying that the US doesn't have its problems. It has its malnourished, the homeless, the impoverished and plenty of crime and corruption. Despite all this, people continue to come and I think that it is because the US has gotten many things right in an attempt to serve both the majority and the individual.
In any case, I think that effort is better spent trying to create a carrot than a stick.
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by LadyDove: starLisa,
I haven't read Jennifer Government, but I've played the game. I have a friend who read it and thought it was interesting, but wasn't overly enthusiastic about it.
It's a game? I'll have to look this up.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
"Nation States" I believe.
To an extent it is voluntary to the degree that a good many nations would have to agree to giving the General Secretary make or break powers to begin with. Voluntary to the extent that some nations could break away at certain times, the point is that it becomes the perfect excuse due to circumstances for control to be cemented.
Do any of us honestly believe that the world will in a heart beat agree to drop all our arms and agree to free trade and open borders unless we're forced to?
After all look at the EU referendum, France refused the new constitution dispite all the pressure the government was trying to push it through.
Next, your looking only skin deep. What did happen after WWII? Didn't major wars on the scale of WWII stop? Didn't the UN get founded? The nuclear age? The creation of the state of Israel all good things and all directly related to the end of WWII.
WWI? Didn't international politics change to the degree that wars were becomming nolonger the de facto tool of governments with the exception of militeristic ones? The League of Nations? The Repulic of China etc etc?
1905, The Russo Japanese war, allowed the Japanese people to be the first asian nation to defeat a western power for the first time and forced the Russians to consider reforms.
Each war I think did in fact have some good to come out of it, you just need one catastrohpic war and totalitarian government horrible enough that no one will ever want it to happen again AND have a strong enough of a foundation that the democratization won't have the same effect as Russia's Glavnost.
Posted by LadyDove (Member # 3000) on :
Blayne,
I disagree. If you are going to use fear and violence to create world peace, the threat would need to come from an external agent. A human based threat will cause partisanship, not unification.
You've sited several wars that both justify and knock down your theory that war begets peace. I'm a big believer in the virtical threat theory; we won't abandon war between nations and cultures until a greater, more alien threat causes us to draw together in a common cause.
And even if you could create
quote:one catastrohpic war and totalitarian government horrible enough that no one will ever want it to happen again
a government powerful and intolerable enough to cause worldwide hate, would also be powerful enough and in control of enough resources to perpetuate itself indefinitely.
So you'd end up with a world without war, but also a world without peace.
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