Apparently, the new Coke Black Cherry Vanilla is certified Kosher dairy. It won't affect me, because the whole idea of Black Cherry Vanilla Coke makes my tummy churn, but there's something really disturbing about Coke that's certified dairy.
Posted by Primal Curve (Member # 3587) on :
People mix Pepsi and Milk. I've tried it. It's not unpleasant, just kind of weird.
Posted by Architraz Warden (Member # 4285) on :
Either of those really isn't anything more than a melted (coke or pepsi) float would be.
And those are downright tasty.
Posted by Stephan (Member # 7549) on :
My issue would be the use by date. Doesn't something with dairy go bad a lot sooner then regular cola? Most people don't bother to check the date on soda because it is almost always drunk well in advance.
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
Fair enough. I used to drink "milk-pop" when I was little, too. Pepsi and milk. But I was a little kid. And it wasn't sold that way. <shudder>
Posted by MandyM (Member # 8375) on :
Weird that it's certified dairy. I LOVE the new Black Cherry Vanilla Coke but I buy it in diet.
Posted by Bella Bee (Member # 7027) on :
I like coke-floats... a dollop of vanilla ice-cream in cola. Which is the same principle, I guess.
Posted by Lupus (Member # 6516) on :
It supposedly lasts longer than Vanilla Coke. Shelf life was actually a major reason why normal Vanilla Coke is no more. It went bad a lot faster than normal Coke, so they changed it out with the black cherry vanilla coke (which really is good by the way).
Posted by Mabus (Member # 6320) on :
Eh....I've found that milk and sodas make an unpleasant scum inside the glass.
Chocolate milk and orange juice, now, that's a treat.
Posted by JennaDean (Member # 8816) on :
If it's certified dairy, does that mean you can't order it with your hamburger?
Or would it have to be on the hamburger to be a no-no? Er ... or maybe a hamburger float?
Posted by vonk (Member # 9027) on :
holy cow mabus! thats revolting! i would never, ever, ever! put chocolate in my milk and OJ.
Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
Milk and OJ are not meant to be together. That's just wrong.
Posted by Will B (Member # 7931) on :
Yeeeeeewwww.
Posted by Stephan (Member # 7549) on :
I don't know, there are some creamy orange alocoholic drinks out there that sound sort of similar. It may not be all that bad.
Posted by just_me (Member # 3302) on :
IANJB (I Am Not Jewish But) just because it's certified kosher dairy doesn't mean that there is actually any dairy in it...
-me
Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
Milk can be ultrapasteurized to have a shelf-life of ~6months at room temperature, provided that the container remains unopened. Paraphrasing: Milk is pasteurized by heating at 63degreesCelcius/146degreesFahrenheit for 30minutes or at 71degreesC/160degreesF for 15seconds. The process kills the dangerous microorganisms, but leaves some benign/safe microorganisms alive which will eventually sour the milk. If the milk is kept at (refrigerator) low temperatures, the benign microorganisms reproduce more slowly and the milk takes longer to sour. In warmer temperatures, the benign microorganisms reproduce faster and the milk sours more quickly. Either way, the pasteurized milk spoils faster once the container is opened, though still slower if kept cool and faster if allowed to become warm.
Milk is ultrapasteurized by extremely rapid heating to 140degeesC/284degreesF -- ie much hotter than the 100degreesC/212degreesF boiling point of water -- in a pressurised vat, killing all of the microorganisms. Then it is rapidly vacuum-cooled and placed in a similarly sterilized container. With no microorganisms feeding on the milk, there is an extremely slow rate of spoilage -- ie what spoilage that occurs is due to gradual decomposition of the less stable chemicals which make up the milk -- and so the milk remains both safe to drink and tasty for an extremely long period of time even when stored at room temperature. And a bit less at higher (outdoor) temperatures. However, once you open the container, spores and microorganisms in the air will once again contaminate the milk, and that contamination reduces the milk's (refrigerator) shelf-life to ~10days: ie about the same as regular pasteurized milk kept in a refrigerator.
[ March 15, 2006, 05:19 PM: Message edited by: aspectre ]
Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
"While Yoo-Hoo is definitely not considered a flavored milk, it does contain certain ingredients from milk - specifically, dairy whey and non-fat milk. If you are allergic to milk products or on a diet that does not permit milk-products, please check with your doctor or nutritionist to be sure."
"Why is Yoo-hoo packaged in glass bottles rather than plastic? Yoo-hoo is a unique beverage that requires special processing with high temperatures to prevent spoilage. We are unable to heat our products in plastic bottles as the plastic would melt during this process."
And I was fairly certain that some bottlers made kosher Yoo-hoo but while I can find some indications that that is true, I haven't found a page of kosher products that confirms it.
Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
Yoo-hoo isn't made with glass anymore, as they new produce plastics that withstand the higher temperatures. Same thing with canned baby food.
Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
Orange ice cream is fairly decent. And Orange sherbet and vanilla ice cream mix marvelously well. But mandarin orange slices in chocolate ice cream is heavenly.
Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
I like milk and coke together. But not with a burger. Unless it is one of those soy veggie burgers, but not even then, 'cause I don't like those soy veggie burgers.
Lots of things that have vanilla flavor are certified dairy, even if they have no milk in them, but because the vanilla flavoring is made from ingredients that are derived from milk.
I am not interested in drinking Black Cherry Vanilla Coke, though. I'll just stick to seltzer.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
sL, where did you hear this? And are you sure this isn't an instance of DE-labelled-as-D?
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by JennaDean: If it's certified dairy, does that mean you can't order it with your hamburger?
Or would it have to be on the hamburger to be a no-no? Er ... or maybe a hamburger float?
That depends on whether it is actually dairy (that is, contains dairy ingredients), or merely "dairy equipment" (that is, cooked/baked/whatever on/in something that was used for dairy ingredients OR contains such an ingredient). Dairy foods cannot be eaten together with (or for some time after) meat foods; dairy-equipment foods cannot be served together with meat foods, but may be eaten immediately thereafter.
To give examples, if I make a kugel which contains sour cream, I cannot serve it with chicken (or beef, etc.), nor could I serve it afterwards for dessert. However, the parve (neither meat nor dairy) cake that I baked in a (clean) dairy pan could be served for dessert (although not on meat-designated plates). Clear?
To muddy the waters, a number of kosher supervision agencies stopped making the distinction about 10 years ago. Now "Dairy" on a label can mean really dairy OR dairy-equipment . . . although they will usually tell you which it is, if you ask.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
quote:Yoo-hoo isn't made with glass anymore, as they new produce plastics that withstand the higher temperatures. Same thing with canned baby food.
I still see glass containers of both those items. But I also see plastic containers of baby food (at least from Gerber) and plastic bottles of Yoo-Hoo, although I personally prefer Yoo-Hoo in juice box-type cartons...
Posted by docmagik (Member # 1131) on :
HELP!
Okay, this has been bugging me since forever.
Phil Hendrie was talking one night about how he and his buddies ended up in some town where they couldn't serve alcholic beverages after a certain time or on a certain day or some such.
He said they were drinking a mix of milk and Root Beer that was the strongest thing they could get, and he had a name for it. I cannot for the life of me remember the name.
What is the name of the drink when you mix milk and root beer?
Posted by Mabus (Member # 6320) on :
Okay, to tell the truth--it's been a long time since I drank chocolate milk and oj together. I don't know if I'd still like it. My tastes have changed.
Posted by docmagik (Member # 1131) on :
Maybe he called them Boston coolers. Posted by signal (Member # 6828) on :
Didn't they do the coke/milk thing on Laverne and Shirley?
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
I always wonder, when people ask questions and then answer them by themselves, how to respond.
Perhaps with applause? Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
quote: What is the name of the drink when you mix milk and root beer?
Where I grew up, it was called a Brown Cow.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
But this is the one I meant.
Posted by GaalDornick (Member # 8880) on :
Or a root beer float?
Posted by Kristen (Member # 9200) on :
Japan's got some odd sodas. Isn't Calpis kind of a dairy soda?
Well, if it's not, I'm sure they have some version of it.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
Hm. Where I'm from, rivka, a root beer float is a root beer with vanilla ice cream, while a Brown Cow is a root beer with milk. I can easily see how the two would overlap, though. Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
(See my edit.)
Posted by docmagik (Member # 1131) on :
It might have been Brown Cow. I thought it had more syllables than that, though. I could have sworn it had "muddy" in it, or some "muddy" type of word. But my brain has been known to be quite unreliable about such things.
It probably was Brown Cow.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
How now?
Posted by SteveRogers (Member # 7130) on :
I miss Pepsi Blue...
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
I grew up with Brown Cows being Coke with vanilla ice cream.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by rivka: sL, where did you hear this?
Calpis has milk in it. And it tastes really weird.
But I though milk went chunky if you put it in citrus?
Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
"It might have been Brown Cow...I could have sworn it had...some "muddy" type of word."
Coulda been a Vigin Mudslide. Or knowing Hendry's fondness for playful names, a Morally Pure Mudslide. But the drinks are not just milk and soda. It's base is usually cream and soda with coffee and chocolate -- with variations also containing banana/etc and/or flavorings such as amaretto/etc -- topped with whipped cream.
[ March 16, 2006, 07:30 AM: Message edited by: aspectre ]
Posted by Jeesh (Member # 9163) on :
I think I'm going to be sick.
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mabus: Eh....I've found that milk and sodas make an unpleasant scum inside the glass.
Chocolate milk and orange juice, now, that's a treat.
Ew! Of course, I remember my little brother mixing orange pop and root beer once. I'm not sure you can get ickier than that.
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Tante Shvester: I like milk and coke together. But not with a burger. Unless it is one of those soy veggie burgers, but not even then, 'cause I don't like those soy veggie burgers.
If you're ever in Chicago, we have a place called Ken's Diner. It's a 50s diner, and it's kosher. And the burgers... mmm, out of this world.
And they make Tofutti shakes. Having a chocolate shake with a hamburger is a major treat.
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by rivka: sL, where did you hear this? And are you sure this isn't an instance of DE-labelled-as-D?
So there's something worse than Black Cherry Vanilla Coke. Gawd...
Posted by Irami Osei-Frimpong (Member # 2229) on :
Aspectre,
Does the ultrapasteurization denature any of the beneficial molecules in milk?
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
The primary "beneficial molecule" in milk is calcium. Or rather, calcium compounds. They would not be affected by pasteurization of any kind.
sL, the Kashrut.com link says it got the info from cRc, and confirmed with the O-U. And it makes much more sense that this coffee-flavored coke <insert green-faced smilie here> will be dairy. Especially since I kept finding the vanilla-cherry on lists with no mention of it being dairy! Thanks for the clarification.
Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
quote:Originally posted by rivka: <insert green-faced smilie here>
<-- the guy on the end
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
None of those are sufficiently green. Think more like this fellow.
Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
Coffee flavored Coke doesn't sound all that bad to me. But what's up with the name? Coke Blak? That's just messed up.
Mmm...caffeine!
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Looks like sL was not the only person confused by the announcement. Link
quote: The newest flavor from Coke, Coke Blak is certified kosher DAIRY.
The following is a clarification from the OU: The product Coca-Cola Bla-k (spelled without a 'C') is to be a specialty premium drink that will be sold in unique (glass) bottles. This product formula is dairy and the product will be correctly labeled OUD. This should not be confused with the Coca-Cola Black Cherry Vanilla sold in standard bottles and cans which is Parve and labeled OU (in those areas where the symbol appears on Coke products).
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Finally tasted some. Chilled, it's actually not bad. Sort of like iced coffee with bubbles, and a bit of coke-ness.
Worth getting once to try (I got a four-pack), but I am unlikely to ever bother to buy it again.
Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
I tried it and didn't care for it. Too syrupy.
Posted by dantesparadigm (Member # 8756) on :
I love that stuff, assuming it is sufficiently cold; otherwise it gets a nasty aftertaste.
Posted by Shmuel (Member # 7586) on :
Yoo-hoo is indeed still packaged in glass bottles. (Also, paper cartons.) It's certified kosher by the Triangle-K.
(I'm a fan of Yoo-hoo myself. There's nothing else quite like it.)
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Shall we talk about how those two parts of your sentence are mutually exclusive? Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
rivka
Posted by Shmuel (Member # 7586) on :
quote:Originally posted by rivka: Shall we talk about how those two parts of your sentence are mutually exclusive?
...you do realize there are a lot of people who'd say the exact same thing about the OU, right?
I considered mentioning that the Triangle-K was less widely accepted than the OU, OK, or Chof-K, but figured that'd complicate things unecessarily. At any rate, my family's never had a problem with it.
(My family has some first-hand experience in the highly politicized world of hechsheirim. Don't believe everything you hear on the street.)
Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
quote:Originally posted by Shmuel: Don't believe everything you hear on the street.
Pssst...YooHoo! Posted by Shmuel (Member # 7586) on :
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by Shmuel: (My family has some first-hand experience in the highly politicized world of hechsheirim. Don't believe everything you hear on the street.)
So do I, and I know. But I still stand by my previous statement.
And . . . I'm not sure how to put this, so I apologize if I offend, but I'm not going to take kashrus recommendations from someone who doesn't worry about kashrus himself.
Posted by Shmuel (Member # 7586) on :
No offense, and that's completely reasonable. I certainly wasn't trying to win anybody over.
(To the extent that I was offering anecdotal evidence, it referred to the rest of my family, which falls solidly into the FFB-as-far-back-as-anyone-can-remember camp. But even there, I wasn't recommending anything.)
But if you're broaching the subject in the first place, and offering to "talk about how those two parts of your sentence are mutually exclusive," then I'd be interested in hearing what you know about Rabbi Ralbag that I don't. Every firsthand report I know of claims he's a yoreh shamaim, and pretty much everything negative I've heard boils down to either a garbled retelling of an incident with an oil truck that he put a stop to, or a claim that he relies upon kulos (generally unspecified) that other agencies don't.
Granting the latter point, it's perfectly fine not to rely upon a hashgocha because your rabbi follows more machmir rulings. A whole lot of people don't hold of cholov stam or pas palter, to pick a couple of obvious examples. But claiming that a rabbi who follows other rulings is certifying tarfus as kosher goes a bit too far, I think.
...of course, if you don't want to discuss this with me at all, that's fine too. Just don't offer to talk about it in the first place. Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
I have had the unacceptable-to-most kulos he relies upon enumerated to me. It has been a couple years, so I no longer recall the specifics, but I can probably find out again if you like. I have no doubt that both Rabbis Ralbag are yoreh shamayim, and I apparently entirely missed the oil truck story.
I happily consume both cholov stam and pas palter. You may take away my Entenmann's and Pepperidge Farms and Hershey's from my cold, dead hands. But until and unless the Triangle-K is recommended by either R' Eidlitz , the Star K, or a few other rabbonim I know . . .
In any case, I believe you know that my suggestion was a rhetorical device, neh? Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
"When Jews Kibitz", next on FOX.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
We're not kibitzing. We're hocking cheinik. Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
Bless you.
Posted by Shmuel (Member # 7586) on :
Fair enough.
Honestly, the only bit I took issue with was flatly characterizing it as not kosher. I have absolutely no quibble with you pointing out that it follows more lenient standards and isn't accepted by a whole lot of people. As I said above, I considered saying so in the initial post. Maybe I should've. Posted by Shmuel (Member # 7586) on :
quote:Originally posted by rivka: We're not kibitzing. We're hocking cheinik.
So that's where my kettle went... Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Kettle =! teapot
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
^ See, THAT is kibitzing.
Posted by Shmuel (Member # 7586) on :
Yep. Posted by Sterling (Member # 8096) on :
I really like the idea of vanilla-flavored Coke, but for whatever reason, the actual product I find fairly awful. Both the vanilla and cherry-vanilla varieties. I was hoping for something like a cream-soda-and-coke kind of mellow, and instead it's more like Coke with a harsh, bitter vanilla aftertaste.
I haven't tried Coke Blak because I react weirdly to aspartame. (Why, why, why does anyone put both aspartame and sugar into a single product?!)
Posted by Shmuel (Member # 7586) on :
Postscript: I picked up a carton of Yoo-Hoo today... apparently, in Boston, it's certified by the KVH (Vaad Harabbonim of New England), which is substantially more widely accepted than the Triangle-K.
(This doesn't help those of you in other markets, of course.)
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
KVH is just fine with me. (I believe I have a slew of yogurts under their supervision in my fridge.)
In any case, I believe Yoo-hoo tastes much like egg creams. Neh? And I hate those.
I want my chocolate milk to taste like MILK, gosh darn it! Not water. >_<
Posted by Shmuel (Member # 7586) on :
It's not quite like an egg cream -- it's not carbonated, for one thing -- but I'll grant that it's closer to that than to chocolate milk. I take this as an advantage, rather than a flaw (it's not chocolate milk, it's much lighter!), but we've all been designed with different tastes. Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
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Unless it is one of those soy veggie burgers, but not even then, 'cause I don't like those soy veggie burgers. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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but while I can find some indications that that is true, I haven't found a page of kosher products that confirms it.
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