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Posted by Tatiana (Member # 6776) on :
 
Who has it already? What do you think? Mine shipped from Amazon the other day but I was quite disappointed to find that it didn't get delivered today. [Frown]
 
Posted by TL (Member # 8124) on :
 
What is it?
 
Posted by Bella Bee (Member # 7027) on :
 
That's what I was going to ask.

*imagines ordering a box of days from Amazon*

You couldn't ever open the box though.
 
Posted by Heffaji (Member # 3669) on :
 
The new Tool album.
 
Posted by TL (Member # 8124) on :
 
Are they counting down to something?
 
Posted by SteveRogers (Member # 7130) on :
 
Is Tool good? I've not heard any of their stuff.
 
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Really?

I'm not a huge Tool fan, but they play them on the radio fairly often. Good band, though I don't think they are exceptionally awesome.
 
Posted by SteveRogers (Member # 7130) on :
 
Truthfully, I've not heard their music. What songs would you suggest I look into?
 
Posted by Avadaru (Member # 3026) on :
 
My boyfriend and I just got back from Best Buy a little while ago and listened to it. OMG, it's fabulous. Track 7, OMG.
 
Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TL:
What is it?

A caseload of calendars.
 
Posted by Fitz (Member # 4803) on :
 
I dig it. I'm not a huge fan of Tool, though I have Aenima and Lateralus and think they're pretty decent. I enjoyed 10,000 Days right off the bat, which isn't something I can say about their other stuff. I'll have to listen to it a few more times before I can comment further.

quote:
Track 7, OMG.
Yeah, it's kinda freaky. Even cooler is that track 8 is most likely the silent dude's epic story.
 
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
 
I picked it up yesterday over lunch. I like it so far, though I'm starting to wish that their guitarist could learn to write riffs in something other than pentatonic modes. Other than that I'm having a hard time finding fault with it. I really like Vicarious (track 1), among others.
 
Posted by solo (Member # 3148) on :
 
The title 10,000 days is representative of the 27 years that Maynard's (the singer) mother suffered with paralysis resulting from a stroke.

I am enjoying the album so far. It hasn't blown me away like Lateralus did when it came out, but it is a very solid album. The drumming is stellar as always, same goes for the basslines. Maynard's voice is once again an additional instrument. The guitar playing is solid with some very aggressive riffs in several of the tracks.

There are 2 songs over the 11 minute mark and only 2 under 5 minutes. It may be a little indulgent but Tool pulls it off beautifully.
 
Posted by BryanP (Member # 7772) on :
 
good album. hasn't truly settled in yet, but so far i'm a big fan of Wings pts 1 and 2, as well as Right in Two. at first i was worried that it would be too much like Lateralus after i heard Vicarious, but it's sufficiently different sounding. oh, and the artwork for this album is amazing. the stereoscopic lenses it comes with are great - best artwork i've seen for an album

with this, the new Pearl Jam album, and new Radiohead bootlegs from the Thom and Jonny concert Monday night, it's been an awesome week for music
 
Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
 
"10,000 Days"
"What is it?"
"That's what I was going to ask."

Wrong answers. It's how long fans will have to wait for the 7th HarryPotter novel.
 
Posted by Tatiana (Member # 6776) on :
 
Mine is still not here! [Cry] Silly USPS! I heard the first track Vicarious last week, and it sounds wonderful. I just love the intensity of Maynard's singing.

SteveRogers: Tool is one of the very best bands in existence today! Definitely check them out!

solo: only 2 songs over 11 minutes? And 2 that are actually under 5 minutes? That's really short for Tool! But I've never found them to be self-indulgent. Even in their longest songs, the time flies by and I'm just sad to hear the song end. One night I got stuck listening to that live version of Pushit, which is something like 15 minutes long. Each time it finished, I just had to hear it one more time, one more time. [Smile] Several hours went by that way before I noticed. [Big Grin]

twinky: pentatonic modes feel toolish to me, though. I'm not sure if it would sound right if they started doing mixolydian or something, you know? They never seem musically repetitive to me, though. Do they you? Each song seems to me to be its own little world.
 
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
 
quote:
They never seem musically repetitive to me, though. Do they you?
Yes, at times. What bugs me is that Adam Jones can write some really interesting stuff, like the dissonant guitar un-solo in the background late in Pushit, but too often he just resorts to basic pentatonic riffs. Tool sometimes sound to me like they're stuck in a D pentatonic rut (with some variations on D minor thrown in).

Some of my favourite Tool songs (Parabol/Parabola, Pushit, Ticks & Leeches) aren't in D, change keys more than once, or are melodically interesting in other ways.
 
Posted by Tatiana (Member # 6776) on :
 
Still. Not. Here.
 
Posted by Flaming Toad on a Stick (Member # 9302) on :
 
There yet? Don't tear out your hair, you'll get it eventualy! [Evil] [Laugh] [Wink]
 
Posted by BunnV (Member # 6816) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SteveRogers:
Truthfully, I've not heard their music. What songs would you suggest I look into?

I'm not sure what kind of music you're into. But these are few songs that I've enjoyed a lot, and most have been radio frequents.

Songs:
H.
Parabola
Aenima
Lateralus
Schism
Undertow
Pushit (live)

And of course, their latest single..
Vicarious
 
Posted by SteveRogers (Member # 7130) on :
 
I'll check into it.

Edit:

They are pretty good. Maybe I'll buy one of their CDs. Which one do you think I should get?

[ May 07, 2006, 01:53 PM: Message edited by: SteveRogers ]
 
Posted by Tatiana (Member # 6776) on :
 
My favorite cd of all is Lateralus! That's the one I would recommend.
 
Posted by SteveRogers (Member # 7130) on :
 
Alright. I wonder if they have it at Wal-Mart.
 
Posted by Tatiana (Member # 6776) on :
 
I'm sure they do! There it is at their online store.
 
Posted by SteveRogers (Member # 7130) on :
 
I meant in the store. Not online. The Wal-Mart here sucks. They stopped carrying The Jerk, the 26th Anniversary DVD, awhile back. And that's totally bogus.
 
Posted by BunnV (Member # 6816) on :
 
Haha, careful when you buy CD's at walmart. They usually carry the edited versions of Albums.

Also, I strongly recommend Aenima (Lateralus and Aenima are both spectacular albums, in my opinion).

Happy listening, Steve! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by BunnV (Member # 6816) on :
 
Best Buy has all of their albums at all their stores I've visted. And at really good prices. [Wink]
 
Posted by SteveRogers (Member # 7130) on :
 
I live in the middle of nowhere, so Best Buy is kind of far away. If I go to one in the Big City, I'll pick Lateralus up.
 
Posted by Tatiana (Member # 6776) on :
 
Definitely don't buy it from Amazon! You'll be waiting forever! [Smile]
 
Posted by SteveRogers (Member # 7130) on :
 
I don't shop at Amazon anyway. Don't have a credit card.
 
Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
 
You do not need a credit card for Amazon.com. Back in the old days I'd just use a money order.
 
Posted by SteveRogers (Member # 7130) on :
 
Really? Hmmm...
 
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by twinky:
I picked it up yesterday over lunch. I like it so far, though I'm starting to wish that their guitarist could learn to write riffs in something other than pentatonic modes.

This is a comfort zone I wish virtually all rock bands would stray from- Radiohead is one that handles mode mixture correctly, and well. The Beatles could do it, and they didn't even read music, so it isn't THAT hard.
 
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
 
I have that problem to some extent in my own compositions -- that is, I tend to stay both in the same key and the same mode for the duration of a single piece. Of course, I've never taken any guitar theory, just the basics as part of my piano studies and a couple of years of university preparatory music courses in high school (I didn't go into music, though). So I don't even know which mode is which offhand.

Anyway, I agree with you. Tool are more rhythmically complex than melodically complex. There is still melodic complexity there, more so than most rock bands, but Adam Jones resorts to D pentatonic (and variants thereof) a bit too often.

Steve, if you're looking for an introduction to Tool, I actually suggest starting with 10,000 Days. I think it's the second most accessible Tool record, after Undertow, and it's better than Undertow by a wide enough margin for me to recommend you buy 10,000 Days first. Ænima and Lateralus are also good, just harder to get into (Ænima because of the intermediate non-song tracks, Lateralus because the tracks are longer but more repetitive). I think 10,000 Days hits the sweet spot in Tool's musical range harder and more consistently than any of their other albums.

Which, I suppose, is a roundabout way of saying that I think it's the best one. [Smile] They are, in order:

Opiate (EP)
Undertow
Ænima
Salival
(box set of B-sides and covers)
Lateralus
10,000 Days


Plus singles, of course. As an aside, Salival has a great cover of Led Zeppelin's No Quarter on it.
 
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
 
Hmm. I'm unimpressed. Just not my cup of tea, I think-- all the songs seem the same, and I couldn't catch a sense of the lyrics through the drums and guitar.

I like to be able to understand what the singer is singing-- emoting pain and rage through a raised voice just doesn't do it for me.

[Smile]
 
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
quote:
I like to be able to understand what the singer is singing
Believe it or not, Tool is known in their genre for excellent singing and lyric clarity. [Smile]
 
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
 
I'd say that's less true on 10,000 Days than the other albums, especially in Vicarious ("I need to watch things die" refrain excepted). In general, though, you're right, and that's one of the many reasons I like Tool a lot more than other bands that are just as heavy.
 
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
 
Really? I missed it, especially the 'excellent singing.' I'd call it mediocre, at best.

No, I take it back-- the first few songs of 10,000 days were acceptable. But toward the end (after Lost Keys, I think), it just disintegrated.

Okay, now I'm embarassed. There's very little screaming on the tracks, but I keep getting the sense that the singer's trying to share some soul-shaming secret, but in code. I don't like it when Lyle Lovett does it; I don't like it when Tool does it.

Now that I think about it, I have the same problem with LOTS of alternative/goth/heavy metal/grunge rock. There's the presence of lyrics, but the emotional content of the song is carried by the instruments, not the singer.

(The 'screaming singer' comment for Tool comes specifically from the tracks 'Rosetta Stoned' and 'Right in Two')

Also, what's the point of 'Viginti Tres?'
 
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
 
quote:
There's the presence of lyrics, but the emotional content of the song is carried by the instruments, not the singer.
I don't see this as a problem -- I listen to music for the melodies, harmonies, and rhythms (vocal or instrumental) much more so than for the lyrics. Lyrics that I find meaningful are a nice-to-have rather an essential element of music appreciation for me. That may come from my musical background, of course (21 years of piano, 10 of guitar, zero of singing).

So I have no idea what the point of Viginti Tres is, but I find it serves as a nice way to close the album and help me wind my way back to real life after 72 minutes of rock. However, I'm predisposed to like it because it's less self-indulgent than stuff like Disgustipated, Die Eier Von Satan, and Faaip De Oiad from their previous albums, and doesn't get in the way of me thinking about what I've just listened to.
 
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
 
quote:
I listen to music for the melodies, harmonies, and rhythms (vocal or instrumental) much more so than for the lyrics. Lyrics that I find meaningful are a nice-to-have rather an essential element of music appreciation for me. That may come from my musical background, of course (21 years of piano, 10 of guitar, zero of singing).
This is an interesting point, twinky. Most of my musical experience has been in voice, and really, I only pretend to be a good singer. My chief talent is the capacity to blend really, really well with other singers.

Oh, and I've got the timbre of a tenor, but the range of a bass, and no head voice to speak of.

[Big Grin]

To me, vocals are very important.
 
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
 
I really like the gritty or gravelly vocal textures of grunge -- Chris Cornell is a favourite of mine. A lot of my favourite bands (e.g. Tool, Radiohead, Muse, Sigur Ros) have singers who wouldn't be considered "good" by conventional standards of singing (that is, the standards of choral and/or other classical vocal training). Led Zeppelin are another good example. I think all of the singers (perhaps they should be called "vocalists") of these bands are great, but I wouldn't put any of them in a choir.

I listen to a fair bit of classical music, but not much of it has vocals. Typically I listen to piano pieces, piano concertos, or orchestral pieces. Chopin and Rachmaninov are favourites of mine. I almost never listen to operatic or choral music, though I do have some. I listen to my disc of Gregorian chants occasionally.

So I think the difference in our perspective is partly due to training and taste, and partly because I think rock needs different things from its "vocalists" than other genres do. Added: I think this stems partly from its roots in and ties to blues and related genres.
 
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
 
[Smile]

Yeah, but I LIKE Mark Knopfler, Eric Clapton, Van Morrison and Bruce Springsteen, none of whom have polished voices.

And I agree with you about rock needing different a different vocal style than other genres, and for the same reasons (influence of blues). Although, rock has been around long enough that it's going to start self-referencing. 'Alternative' rock isn't going to be on the scene long; it will evolve into it's own distinct genre, seperate from rock music entirely.

The Prophet hath spoken...
 
Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
 
quote:
I listen to music for the melodies, harmonies, and rhythms (vocal or instrumental) much more so than for the lyrics. Lyrics that I find meaningful are a nice-to-have rather an essential element of music appreciation for me.
This is a spiritual type/personality/brain difference. I first encountered the study of it in Ware's writing on spiritual types, but for those of you who don't like that terminology we could call it a personality type thing.

For some people the words are the most important part of music and for others they're almost irrelevant. This is part (most) of what fuels the arguments about contemporary worship music -- the "type 1"s loathe most of it because the words are either insipid or bad theology (or both) and the "type 2"s don't care because the music makes them feel right with God and they don't listen to the words much anyway.
 
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
 
quote:
Yeah, but I LIKE Mark Knopfler, Eric Clapton, Van Morrison and Bruce Springsteen, none of whom have polished voices.
Hm. So then is it just the indistinctness of the lyrics that bothers you in alt-rock and metal vocals?

quote:
'Alternative' rock isn't going to be on the scene long; it will evolve into it's own distinct genre, seperate from rock music entirely.
But then how do you know what's Rock and what's Alternative? I have this problem when I browse the iTunes Music Store -- their categorizations are "Rock" and "Alternative," and I never know which category the band I'm looking for is listed under. I think a better solution, if we want to categorize, is to put sub-genres under the Rock umbrella -- punk, pop rock, alt- rock, hard rock, metal. I think all of those fall broadly into "rock." [Smile]

quote:
This is a spiritual type/personality/brain difference. I first encountered the study of it in Ware's writing on spiritual types, but for those of you who don't like that terminology we could call it a personality type thing.
Dana, that makes sense. Do you know if it is at all correlated with sense of pitch? i.e., is a person with perfect pitch more likely to appreciate music over lyrics than a person who is tone deaf? (Note: I am not suggesting that Scott is tone deaf; I certainly don't have perfect pitch. I'm just curious.)
 
Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
 
What I read didn't really focus on the technical music aspect. It was more related to whether you tended toward a "head" or a "heart" focus.
 
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
 
dkw's assertions make a lot of sense to me too, EXCEPT that when it comes to hymns, I care less about the words, and more about the emotion conveyed by the music. I tend to think that this is BECAUSE the words are so awful, I have to latch onto something less awful-- the music. [Smile]

quote:
So then is it just the indistinctness of the lyrics that bothers you in alt-rock and metal vocals?
Maybe... I just don't want to have to work to understand the words being said.
 
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
 
...whereas I don't mind not understanding them at all. Sigur Ros are a perfect example -- the words are sometimes in Icelandic, sometimes meaningless gibberish. I don't know the difference, and the music is so beautiful that I don't much care. [Smile]
 
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
 
Hmm. I don't mind if I don't understand the words, if I know I'm not supposed to understand them.

I think I may just be prejudiced against Tool's type of music.
 
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
 
Well, do you listen to any other relatively heavy music? If not, then yeah, maybe you just don't like hard rock or metal. [Smile]
 
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
 
quote:
do you listen to any other relatively heavy music?
Does Evanescence count? [Smile] That's about the heaviest thing on my iPod.

So, the answer is probably not. I should know better than to try to reason out my opinions when it boils down to, "I just don't like the musical style they play in..."

BTW, I'm listening to Sigur Ros' concert in Iceland right now.
 
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Scott R:
quote:
do you listen to any other relatively heavy music?
Does Evanescence count? [Smile] That's about the heaviest thing on my iPod.

So, the answer is probably not. I should know better than to try to reason out my opinions when it boils down to, "I just don't like the musical style they play in..."

As a guess, I'd say it means that you're willing to make exceptions to a general avoidance of hard rock/metal in cases where the singer has a good and prominent voice. [Smile] I like Evanescence, and I've got Fallen. I find they suffer from the "sameness" problem both rhythmically and melodically, but Amy Lee's voice is compelling enough to keep me interested.

It sounds to me like you aren't finding any of the musical elements you look for in Tool. It makes sense, at least to me, that you wouldn't like them.

My taste is different: I love the snarling guitars, thunderous drums, and the vocalist who can (and does) whisper, growl, scream, and sing. For all I've said about Adam Jones' propensity for D pentatonic, he knows how to coax some really full, gritty distortion out of his guitar without it sounding overproduced (which is how bands like Linking Park and Evanescence sound to me, although I listen to both from time to time).

quote:
BTW, I'm listening to Sigur Ros' concert in Iceland right now.
I saw them live in Toronto last fall. It was incredible.
 
Posted by Tatiana (Member # 6776) on :
 
I generally have found Tool to be a favorite among people who are musical, who play instruments or sing, and are passionate about thier music. That's why I'm a little surprised at Lyrhawn's and Scott R's lukewarm reception of them.

I love the intensity of Maynard's voice! I think he's an amazing singer, though definitely, yeah, not in a classical or choral way. He has fantastic control over his voice, which I find very expressive, and there are places in many songs where he does things with his voice that just blow me away. I think everyone says of music they don't like that it's repetitive. That seems to be a recurring pattern. To me, Tool is anything but repetitive.

I understand and agree with what twinky says about Tool being rhythmically more complex than they are melodically, in general. Still, songs like Reflection, in which they don't even use a 12 tone scale, are pretty melodically complex too. If you listen to that one, he is actually hitting notes that aren't notes in our scale. [Smile] They are quarter tones above and below, I guess. I'm not sure since my brain doesn't recognize those phonemes of melody. It's apparently patterned after Indian music, and echoes in some ways the instrumental lines. ... So, because of things like that, I find them melodically very interesting as well.

Oh, and they use Fibbonacci series in a few places in Lateralus, to revert to rhythm for a moment. 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13... What other band do you know who would use that rhythm in a song? [Smile] And it totally works, too!

I'm another person who rarely pays much attention to words. At most they can enhance or detract from the music perhaps 10% either way. I usually don't bother to find out the words to a song until I already have listened to the music a good while, and then only if I really like the song. I like Tool's words, in general, because they're rich and suggestive without pinning you down to a certain interpretation. They are intense usually, just like the music, but always engaging. BunnV and I like to listen together to selected songs, after we know them well, and when we do that, we almost always have wildly differing interpretations of Tool songs, but both of us are sure our own interpretations are what the song really means. [Smile]
 
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
 
quote:
I generally have found Tool to be a favorite among people who are musical, who play instruments or sing, and are passionate about thier music. That's why I'm a little surprised at Lyrhawn's and Scott R's lukewarm reception of them.
I can't speak for Lyrhawn, but I'm a rebel.

I also don't care for Rush.
 
Posted by Flaming Toad on a Stick (Member # 9302) on :
 
Well Tatiana, is it there yet?

Just to remind you-it's AWESOME!!!

Mwahahahahahaha!!
 
Posted by BunnV (Member # 6816) on :
 
From interviews that I've heard of Tool's lead singer, one of the the elements he tries to adhear to during his singing w/the band is making sure that his dynamics rarely surpass those of the instruments. His voice is an instrument just as important as any other in the band (and not necessarily more imporant). The purpose of his voice and lyrics, i believe, is to help convey his outlook on the world in a way that many can understand and interpret them according to their own personal beliefs and knowledge (Tool tends to be abstract in many ways).

I've been singing in a choir for a while and of course we do a lot of music in foreign languages as well as in latin from sacred texts. In general, latin isn't a popularly known language, and a point that our director made often was that we had to convey the "feeling" and "message" of the text in the dynamic and tone of our signing. This taught me the importance of how words are sung over what the actual words are.

Tool's lead singer doesn't publish lyrics until a few months after the release of a new album. Him, like many other musical artists, want the listener to soak in the music (the notes, the melodies, instruments, and vocals) before knowing the words, because knowing the words can be a distraction from that process. Especially when many have argued that Tool is "rhythmically complex," I think it's an essential step to settle in with the musical message before going ahead and trying to figure out the lyrical message.

After being involved with music, and having taken a music listening class, I find that I can use my knowlege of interpreting baroque, classical, and romantic era music much in the same way that I can listen to and enjoy bands like Tool. The only challenge is that it *may* be time consuming, and there are many people who rather enjoy music that does not require such an investment. Which is perfectly understandable, because people have different priorities and preferences when it comes to how they want to enjoy art. (Also, I'm not claiming to be any sort of art or music expert, I'm *far* from that).

As for me, and other people like Tatiana, we enjoy music that is artistically challening, because it's fun to figure it out and, in the end its very gratifying.

If you are looking for shining moments in vocals, or distinct lyrics, perhaps listening these Tool songs might be helpful:

-The Patient (vocals are very clear in this one, and the music isn't "heavy" for the most part)

-Schism

-Sober

-Disposition

-Aenema

-Parabol

-Opiate

Those are the ones that I think the words are relatively clear on first listen. [Smile]

[ May 09, 2006, 07:29 PM: Message edited by: BunnV ]
 
Posted by Tatiana (Member # 6776) on :
 
My Dear Flaming Amphibious Friend, Yes it finally arrived today!!!!!

<dances>

It's ripping een as I type. The packaging is amazing. I sat here and just gazed at the stereoscopic pictures for a long while.
 
Posted by Flaming Toad on a Stick (Member # 9302) on :
 
Your opinions ASAP please.
 
Posted by Tatiana (Member # 6776) on :
 
<listening now>

It takes me a few listens to decide what I think of something. I really like Vicarous already, though, and Wings Pt 2.

There's this booming thunderstorm going on right now, which really fits. [Smile]
 
Posted by Tatiana (Member # 6776) on :
 
I need to watch things die, from a safe distance.
 
Posted by Tatiana (Member # 6776) on :
 
[Smile]

I'm listening to it on my new Creative Nano Plus, and it sounds fantastic! The nice earbuds the guy suggested are very comfortable, too, and they sound really good. I'm excited about finally having portable music of good quality. It makes me want to go for a walk or run. [Smile]

I am on the second time through on the CD, now, and I am liking everything I hear. Special favorites won't emerge for a few days probably. I'll post those as they come up.
 
Posted by hatrkr81 (Member # 9317) on :
 
My favorite song by far on the album is 10,000 days (wings pt. 2). The lyrics are some of the most powerful that Maynard has written IMHO. They're absolutely incredible and overwhelming at times. Beautiful song...took me awhile to get into this album as I think it's very different for them (I was expecting another Lateralus), but I'm definitely loving it.
 
Posted by Flaming Toad on a Stick (Member # 9302) on :
 
My favourite thing to do is listen to 6, 7 and 8 in quicck succession. They flow together so well.
 
Posted by Flaming Toad on a Stick (Member # 9302) on :
 
Well, Tatiana?
 
Posted by Launchywiggin (Member # 9116) on :
 
Scott, I'd recommend Tool's Parabol/Parabola off of the album Lateralus if you want to give them another chance.

This--from a voice minor and choir-geek tenor. Maynard (of tool) DOES have a nice voice in addition to his "rock" voice. I didn't swallow Tool immediately, either--but the complexity of their rhythms and genius songwriting has made me a fan.
 
Posted by Tatiana (Member # 6776) on :
 
I've listened to it a few more times, and I'm crazy about "right in two", and "10,000 days (part 2)" and "vicarious". What about you?
 
Posted by Primal Curve (Member # 3587) on :
 
Wait... you're compressing the audio before listening to it?

That makes sense ... how? Why not just pop it into your home stereo/boombox/PC's CD-ROM drive and listen to it without all the nasty compression?
 
Posted by Tatiana (Member # 6776) on :
 
Can you hear the decrease in quality? I can't. Perhaps I went to one too many really loud concerts in my life or something. I don't know. [Smile]

I seem to hear more when I listen to it on my mp3 player than on the stereo in my car. That's probably because of the earbuds, though. I'm not listening to stereo in the house now, either on computer or on my main stereo system, because I don't want to add any stressors to Drive By. She prefers the quiet.
 
Posted by kaioshin00 (Member # 3740) on :
 
The 10000 days CD case is a fine piece of packaging.
 
Posted by Primal Curve (Member # 3587) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Tatiana:
I'm not listening to stereo in the house now, either on computer or on my main stereo system,

Then why don't you plug the ear buds into your home stereo?
 
Posted by Flaming Toad on a Stick (Member # 9302) on :
 
Because that defeats the purpose of the ear buds-portability!
 
Posted by Tatiana (Member # 6776) on :
 
Our friendly flammable frog is correct. It's all the way in there away from my room where I prefer to hang out. And I can't hear any difference in quality. I think I turned up my guitar amp to 10 one too many times or something. Seriously. Is it a big difference to you?
 
Posted by Primal Curve (Member # 3587) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Tatiana:
Is it a big difference to you?

Yes.
 
Posted by Tatiana (Member # 6776) on :
 
Cool! I wonder what I'm missing. [Smile]
 
Posted by Flaming Toad on a Stick (Member # 9302) on :
 
It's not much.
 
Posted by Primal Curve (Member # 3587) on :
 
Here's the best analogy I can come up with.

It's the difference between a piece of tightly woven fabric that you can see most of the colors and texture and a series of thin pieces of semi-transparent material layed on top of one another.

In one, I can see all of the material, but it's all sort of mashed together. It's still servicable, but I can't appreciate it's finer detail.

In ther other, I can take each piece and hold it up to the light and see its every detail. I can see its beauty and I can see its flaw.

These are extremes. There's a lot of music out there where it doesn't really matter what it sounds like, but there is also music where each and every resonance and each and every part of the music is a joy to listen to and that's what I feel I miss sometimes with compressed audio.
 


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