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Posted by Omega M. (Member # 7924) on :
 
What woman (someone whose photo is available on the Internet, of course) do you think has the most beautiful face, irrespective of anything else about her? (Women in paintings etc. don't count.)

I'm just wondering what people will say---I can't really separate a woman's face from the rest of her body.
 
Posted by Stephan (Member # 7549) on :
 
I've always had a thing for Jewel:

http://www.jewel-kilcher.com/jewel.jpg
 
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 
I have girl crushes on Catherine Zeta-Jones and Angelina Jolie. Also, Anne Hathaway is so beautiful it's almost unreal - she looks like a cartoon Disney princess come to life.
 
Posted by Stephan (Member # 7549) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by katharina:
I have girl crushes on Catherine Zeta-Jones and Angelina Jolie. Also, Anne Hathaway is so beautiful it's almost unreal - she looks like a cartoon Disney princess come to life.

Sometimes I wonder if I am the only person (male and female) on Earth that doesn't find Jolie the least bit attractive.
 
Posted by camus (Member # 8052) on :
 
It's hard to think of the most beautiful face, but I do really like Audrey Hepburn.
 
Posted by Mig (Member # 9284) on :
 
Its a toss up for me between Reiko Aylesworth of 24 Morena Baccarin of Firefly fame. Morena is my pick for the lead in Wonder Woman.

For Morena:
http://www.morena-baccarin.com/fireflypages/firefly2.html

For Reiko:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0043855/
 
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
 
quote:
Sometimes I wonder if I am the only person (male and female) on Earth that doesn't find Jolie the least bit attractive.
Nope. I agree with kat about Anne Hathaway -- she looks like a real life Belle.
 
Posted by MyrddinFyre (Member # 2576) on :
 
quote:
I have girl crushes on Catherine Zeta-Jones and Angelina Jolie.
I find that really funny because I'm told a lot that I look like those two [Smile] It's not really true and no, I don't have those weird lips but ever since I was little people would tell me I looked like 'em.

Edited to add: I have to admit, I think Jolie is really pretty.
 
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
 
Helen Slater.
Kate Beckinsale.

And it's weird... I had crushes on Jodie Foster and Kristy McNichol, but I wouldn't put them on this list. It's their behavior more than the beauty of their faces, I think. Helen Slater has both. Kate Beckinsale, it's just her face.
 
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
 
I've long been haunted by Robin Wright's beauty in The Princess Bride.

But my favorite female face is that of Mimi Rogers, and it has as much to do with the intelligence and animation in her eyes as with her bone structure. I love her crooked grin. [Smile]

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Edited to add: No worries, MyrddinFyre. If I hadn't caught it, I'd have wanted to be told about it. Thanks!

[ June 22, 2006, 03:06 PM: Message edited by: ClaudiaTherese ]
 
Posted by MyrddinFyre (Member # 2576) on :
 
Hmm, your links are a little problematic, you might need to especially fix Mimi Rogers [Smile]

edit: oh, I see you're fixing it, never mind!
 
Posted by Joldo (Member # 6991) on :
 
I think Liv Tyler is possibly one of the most beautiful human beings on the planet, me. Ethereal.
 
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
I have a lot of difficulty deciding between awesomely cute and regally beautiful when it comes to faces.
 
Posted by MyrddinFyre (Member # 2576) on :
 
Oh! Oh! Let me be the first to throw Natalie Portman into the mix!
 
Posted by TheGrimace (Member # 9178) on :
 
General first responses include:
Audrey Hepburn
Liv Tyler
Jennifer Garner
Keira Knightley
Nichole Kidman

Others that I also think have beautiful faces, though perhaps not my initial response

Uma Thurman (not your typical features, but still stunning)
Jessica Alba
Alysson Hannigan
 
Posted by Zotto! (Member # 4689) on :
 
Jewel Stait and Alexis Bledel.
 
Posted by Bokonon (Member # 480) on :
 
This lady (in every sense of the word) should not be left out:

Princess Grace of Monaco

-Bok

EDIT: Added larger picture.
 
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
 
Wow, I've certainly heard of Grace Kelly, but I don't know that I've ever seen a picture of her. That's really odd.

I must admit, she does appear to be absolutely flawless.
 
Posted by Bokonon (Member # 480) on :
 
Granted, that picture seems air brushed, but check out Google Images for some more.

-Bok
 
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
 
Actually, I had already checked out these pics when I made that comment: http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Academy/5003/?200622

(Media --> Photographs)
 
Posted by littlemissattitude (Member # 4514) on :
 
Well, I couldn't say who the most beautiful woman who ever lived was or is, since I haven't seen all women. With that caveat, the most beautiful woman I have ever seen in the flesh was Natalie Wood. When I was in my early teens, my family would go to the Hollywood Christmas Parade every year, and she would always ride with her children on the float with Santa Claus at the end of the parade. Her photos often don't do her justice, but she was an amazingly beautiful woman.
 
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
 
See, I don't get the whole Jennifer Garner thing. When Alias first started, I thought she had good energy, but she's a little horsey faced. How did she get to be considered a great beauty?
 
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
 
quote:
See, I don't get the whole Jennifer Garner thing. When Alias first started, I thought she had good energy, but she's a little horsey faced. How did she get to be considered a great beauty?
I don't know either. That's always been one that made me shrug.

(Oh and I will third the Natalie Portman and Anne Hathaway endorsements.)
 
Posted by erosomniac (Member # 6834) on :
 
quote:
See, I don't get the whole Jennifer Garner thing. When Alias first started, I thought she had good energy, but she's a little horsey faced. How did she get to be considered a great beauty?
Who knows - she's really, amazingly unattractive. She's got a body, but from the neck up she's...yeah, really, really unattractive, by both normal people and celebrity standards.

On the hot list...

Sabrina Sato
Aline Nakashima

I loves me the Japanese Brazilian women.

Of course, you can't ignore the classics, but most of them have already been covered here (Hepburn, Zeta-Jones, Grace Kelly).
 
Posted by TheGrimace (Member # 9178) on :
 
eh, I was having this kind of discussion with a female friend of mine the other day, and it all comes down to what each individual sees as beautiful:

i.e. Angelina Jolee doesn't do much for me, and neither do any number of other "officially beautiful" celebrities.

yet others such as Uma Thurman, Sara Silverman etc which are generally seen as at least pretty I personally consider gorgeous...
 
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
 
quote:
See, I don't get the whole Jennifer Garner thing.
Neither did I, beyond what eros said, until I saw 13 Going On 30. She's freaking adorable, and I want to squeeze her. In a total non-sleazy way.
 
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Katie, Jeff agrees with you on Anne Hathaway-- he thinks she's just the prettiest little thing ever. He thinks Natalie Portman is pretty, too. (Which I don't mind because he says I'm the most beautiful woman in the world. There's a difference.)

My uncle has a crush on Giadia deLaurentis.

I can't even decide, there are so many women I think are pretty...
 
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
(I always used to think that my sister was the most beautiful person in the world. Maybe that's part of it...)
 
Posted by erosomniac (Member # 6834) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by El JT de Spang:
quote:
See, I don't get the whole Jennifer Garner thing.
Neither did I, beyond what eros said, until I saw 13 Going On 30. She's freaking adorable, and I want to squeeze her. In a total non-sleazy way.
With that recommendation from a like-minded individual, I may have to see 13 going on 30. o_O
 
Posted by Jeni (Member # 1454) on :
 
As for current people, I really like Rachel Weisz or Halle Berry. But the most beautiful face ever? It's too difficult... I suppose I'd second or third Audrey Hepburn.
 
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
 
Just be warned that she'll be way better looking at the end of than she was beforehand.
 
Posted by Luet13 (Member # 9274) on :
 
I like Audrey Hepburn, Angelina Jolie and Charlize Theron. Ooh, and Ingrid Bergman, she had great cheekbones. I also think Katherine Hepburn has a beautiful face, but not in a typical way. Devon Aoki (she was in Sin City) has a face like a porcelain doll, pale and perfectly clean.
 
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
 
I think both Sabrinas are beautiful.

Audrey Hepburn, the original.

And the more recent, Julia Ormond
 
Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
 
What is conspicuously absent from this discussion is mention of Pottenger's cats.
 
Posted by Jhai (Member # 5633) on :
 
One that's missing: Scarlett Johansson
 
Posted by Amilia (Member # 8912) on :
 
I love old movies. From the first time I saw her, I thought Virginia Mayo was the absolute most beautiful woman ever. She didn't age all that well, but in her prime . . .
 
Posted by Mig (Member # 9284) on :
 
As for beautiful faces from old movie's, none was ever prettier than Kim Novak. Best known to people as the blonde in Hitchcock's Vertigo. She had the most intense eyes ever.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001571/
 
Posted by Stray (Member # 4056) on :
 
I could happily stare at Emilie de Ravin or Michelle Trachtenberg for hours on end.
 
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Tante Shvester:
What is conspicuously absent from this discussion is mention of Pottenger's cats.

To which I say: Huh?
 
Posted by IndigoKnight1 (Member # 9526) on :
 
I'm kind of surprised that no one mentioned Michelle Pfeiffer(did I spell that right?), Kim Basinger, or Melanie Griffin
 
Posted by erosomniac (Member # 6834) on :
 
Stray: both of those girls look like they're 14!
 
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Stray:
I could happily stare at Emilie de Ravin or Michelle Trachtenberg for hours on end.

I thought Shiri Appleby was way prettier than Emilie de Ravin.
 
Posted by Stephan (Member # 7549) on :
 
Shiri has that Katie Holmes look that I can't stand, same with Kristin Kreuk. Its that underage skinny teen look that I picture certain 40 something guys drooling over.
 
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
 
I think Emilie de Ravin looks amazing on Lost. Perhaps one of the most unlikely things about a show about unlikely things is how good she always looks on a deserted island.
 
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Stephan:
Shiri has that Katie Holmes look that I can't stand, same with Kristin Kreuk. Its that underage skinny teen look that I picture certain 40 something guys drooling over.

I can't stand Katie and Kristin, though. Particularly Kristin. They used to call her "preternaturally pretty". <brr> Shiri is more like the girls I used to go to summer camp with and have crushes on.
 
Posted by Stray (Member # 4056) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by erosomniac:
Stray: both of those girls look like they're 14!

They're both considerably older than that. And I don't find them sexually attractive, just aesthetically pleasing [Razz]
 
Posted by erosomniac (Member # 6834) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Stray:
quote:
Originally posted by erosomniac:
Stray: both of those girls look like they're 14!

They're both considerably older than that. And I don't find them sexually attractive, just aesthetically pleasing [Razz]
I figured you weren't pulling a Robin and proclaiming your love of pedophilia, I was just noting that really, they look really young! How old are they really? The one on the right especially looks like she's barely pubescent.
 
Posted by Stray (Member # 4056) on :
 
Well, Michelle Trachtenberg did play the younger sister on Buffy (age about 14-16, IIRC), so I guess she had to look the part for that. That pic looks like it was taken around that time--there are plenty on GIS where she looks older. She'll be 21 this year and Emilie de Ravin will be 25, according to IMDB.
 
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
 
quote:
To which I say: Huh?
One of steven's claims is that improved diet translates to better bones and teeth (which, presumably would affect facial structure?), and the crackpot, I mean doctor, whose studies he cites as proof of this phenomenon is Pottenger and his cat studies.
 
Posted by vonk (Member # 9027) on :
 
Edit - Doh! Too late.
 
Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
 
Microclusters, I say! Microclusters!
 
Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
 
Now THAT'S how we should start every new page around here!
 
Posted by Celaeno (Member # 8562) on :
 
I will second Scarlett Johansson and nth Natalie Portman.

I'll also add Salma Hayek.
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Most beautiful unfamous face:
http://i5.tinypic.com/15fqjjt.jpg

Most beautiful famous face:
Audrey Hepburn
 
Posted by MyrddinFyre (Member # 2576) on :
 
Liz - I see a lot of you in her face. Is she a relative? She's gorgeous [Smile]
 
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
 
Charlize Theron!

-pH
 
Posted by MightyCow (Member # 9253) on :
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alyson_Hannigan

She's so cute, it hurts.
 
Posted by Zotto! (Member # 4689) on :
 
Q'Orianka Kilcher is also lovely.
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Myr, thanks, it's my mother.
 
Posted by Kasie H (Member # 2120) on :
 
Queen Noor is the most stunningly beautiful person I've ever met.

http://www.noor.gov.jo/index.htm
 
Posted by MandyM (Member # 8375) on :
 
I always thought Maureen O'Hara was lovely when she was younger. I think the most beautiful woman around now is Catherine Zeta-Jones.
 
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kasie H:
Queen Noor is the most stunningly beautiful person I've ever met.

http://www.noor.gov.jo/index.htm

She's definitely hot. I once saw a photo of her and her husband on a motorcycle, and she was absolutely smoking.

Edit: Wait, you met her? How'd that happen?
 
Posted by calaban (Member # 2516) on :
 
Monica Bellucci, Jennifer Connelly, and pictures don't do Ingrid Bergman justice; watch one of her films.
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
OK, I take it back. Ingrid was the most beautiful woman ever born, and she gave birth to the second most beautiful woman: Isabella Rosalini.
 
Posted by oolung (Member # 8995) on :
 
Again, Natalie Portman and Anne Hathaway (wow, thery really MUST be beautiful [Smile] )
also:
Liv Tyler
why hasn't anyone mentioned Sophie Marceau? She looks like an angel.
and... what's her name, for pete's sake?! the actress that played Galadriel and Elizabeth I. She's got that amazing, indescribable quality to her...
 
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 
Cate Blanchett. I love Cate Blanchett - I have girl crushes on the two above, but I want to be Cate Blanchett.
 
Posted by Omega M. (Member # 7924) on :
 
Yes, I forgot about Audrey Hepburn, even though I'd listed her once as one of my top 5 most beautiful actresses. Her body seems ordinary (though very thin), but she has such symmetrical features, clear skin, and big inquisitive eyes I can't look away from her; she seems to want to know everything about me.

And seeing Jewel's face reminded me of Tori Amos's, which I also like. They both have this rounded face with narrowish eyes and a tired smile that makes them look (to me, at least) as if they know everything and are full of compassion and pity for the rest of us.
 
Posted by steven (Member # 8099) on :
 
El JT de Spang--I'll pay you $25 to read chapters 16-19 from Dr. price's book.
 
Posted by Shawshank (Member # 8453) on :
 
I'm kind of surprised no one has mentioned Kate Winslet I fell for her beauty in Eternal Sunshine- specifically near the beginning when she sleeping in Joel's car. She just looks amazing.

She's very much in what I consider- the uber gorgeous.

And probably for the "girl next door" look I really think that Kirsten Dunst

I also am one that thinks that Angelina Jolie isn't attractive at all.
 
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
 
steven, I'm gonna have to pass on that (generous, if suspect) offer. I'm in the middle of a job and a move, and I barely have time to read the things I want to read.

Cost/benefit and all that. You understand, I'm sure.
 
Posted by peterh (Member # 5208) on :
 
I have to back up Bok on this.

Grace Kelly is the most beautiful woman who ever.

And I'm old enough to be her grandson.

That pic he linked gives me goosebumps.
 
Posted by Mike (Member # 55) on :
 
I'm surprised no one's mentioned the classic National Geographic Afghan Girl.

I'll echo Natalie Portman and Kate Winslet. But we're forgetting Zhang Ziyi, and somewhat more obscure, Olga Pikienko (don't be alarmed by the makeup).
 
Posted by Earendil18 (Member # 3180) on :
 
I'm going to have to second Zhang Ziyi, nth Natalie Portman, nth Audrey Hepburn, the Afghan Girl...
 
Posted by Jim-Me (Member # 6426) on :
 
Many beauties in here, I'd like to mention that Ann Margaret and Rita Hayworth are notably missing from the old-timers list.

But I have to second Natalie Wood from decades of watching "The Great Race".
 
Posted by TheGrimace (Member # 9178) on :
 
I almost forgot to add/mention Bridget Moynahan
 
Posted by steven (Member # 8099) on :
 
Then delete or edit your insulting post, El JT.

If you think my offer is suspect, email King of Men. He got his first $25 and his free copy of the book 7 weeks ago. The offer is still open to anyone who is interested. 100 pages isn't that much reading, since a good bit of it is pictures.
 
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
 
I will do neither, since it's neither insulting nor untrue.

Even if I had the time to wade through his crappy book, and even if I believed you might pay up, I still wouldn't do it. It's worth mentioning that one of the not insignificant reasons I passed is that I don't feel comfortable with someone as unhinged as you having my address.

Though I admit I'm not surprised that a good bit of your doctrine is based on pictures.
 
Posted by Tatiana (Member # 6776) on :
 
I'm curious why this thread is so interesting, and whether the same would be true if we had a "most attractive guys" thread.
 
Posted by Boris (Member # 6935) on :
 
Leelee Sobieski and Tea Leoni. Only two celebrities I've ever had a crush on.
 
Posted by Mike (Member # 55) on :
 
AK, I was thinking of posting a guy or two just to be different. Like Brad Pitt. But I think a "most attractive guys" thread wouldn't be as popular, simply because just about everyone likes looking at pictures of beautiful women, while the same cannot be said of beautiful men. Or maybe there's more to it.
 
Posted by Azile (Member # 2312) on :
 
Neither of them are women obviously but I think Kaneshiro Takeshi and Tom Welling exhibit a impressively large amount of facial beauty. I'm not attracted to Welling but whenever I see his pictures I can't help but think, "That's a prime example of facial beauty right there. That's right."

Also, Jennifer Connelly! Unlike the two above though, she is, in fact, a woman. I can't really pinpoint what I find so gorgeous about her but the combination of her dark hair, green eyes and porcelain skin is [Hail] .
 
Posted by Soara (Member # 6729) on :
 
Jodi Foster is stunningly gorgeous, especially with brown hair (in the movie Nell I think). I can see people like Keira Knightly being very attractive to guys, but in my opinion, she looks like a robot to me. Her face is too perfect--to shiny, or something. Jodi Foster is very real-looking.

And some non-women, Viggo Mortensen and Simon from Firefly both have quite a lot of facial beauty.
 
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
 
quote:
I will do neither, since it's neither insulting nor untrue.

:bristles:

I think it was insulting.

I have read Price's studies. I believe that his conclusions have merit and relevance to human health. I have changed my eating habits as a result of the things I have read, and I believe I am better off for it. Does that make me unhinged and a crackpot?

<--- drinks raw milk & churns butter from it
 
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
 
Price's experimental studies are regularly unequivocally flawed. He is not a good scientist, and he rarely, if ever, does good science.

That does not prevent some of his conclusions (such as on general dietary advice) from being correct or helpful. Many very good studies have been done on diet that sometimes reach similar conclusions (though hardly on all things). You are not unhinged or a crackpot for following some of his dietary advice.

[ July 15, 2006, 12:13 PM: Message edited by: fugu13 ]
 
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
 
Science is limited in the scope of things it can find the truth of absolutely. Many of the things we would like to know can only be found out by abandoning ethics in our studies. There is still much room for faith and individual interpretation when it comes to evidence found. We all believe what we believe.

I find Price's studies compelling, though I try to take them with a grain of salt. I think steven has been rather unkindly treated on this forum, and I have never really been able to understand why. Many people claim things are solid science when they are more faith than science. I find that no reason to call them insulting names and dismiss them as untrustworthy human beings.

I have tried to understand the reasons behind the unkind treatment, and I have come to the conclusion that it has to do with 1) That no one else has come forward and defended him or supported his beliefs by coming forward and saying, "I share them as well" and 2) The claims do sound odd, especially when hearing them for the first time.

I don't think steven would be trying to doggedly to convince others to believe as he does if they would just listen to him, nod, and say, "Oh, that is very interesting," or "I have heard that as well." Feeling like no one will even grant you that can make you kinda desperate to convince because everyone wants to be taken seriously on the things that really matter to them.

Maybe it just doesn't bother me that much when someone believes something this harmless is water-tight science. It certainly isn't worth the time and effort to convince them otherwise.
 
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
quote:

Maybe it just doesn't bother me that much when someone believes something this harmless is water-tight science.

The harm done isn't in the belief. It's in the misunderstanding of what "science" is.
 
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
My celebrity crush for the last couple years has been Zooey Deschenel. There's an honest vulnerability in her eyes, and expression. Not to mention she's cute as a button.

Other than her, I'd second, third, fourth whatever Morena Baccarin.
 
Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
 
I have to nominate Jeri Ryan. The face of an angel.
 
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Yeah, the Angel of Death
 
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
 
quote:
The harm done isn't in the belief. It's in the misunderstanding of what "science" is.
I think it is a common mistake amongst those not well trained in logical thought, especially when they want so badly for something to be real science. Again, if the result is harmless, I'm not bothered by it. It's only worth wrestling over when there is significant harm involved. Otherwise, why beat your head against a wall? Why be unkind? That doesn't help anyone learn anything. (Sorry for this tangent, all. If anyone wants to reply to this, feel free to put it in my Raw Milk thread.)
 
Posted by Silent E (Member # 8840) on :
 
Here's another vote for Grace Kelly.

She was so good-looking that she almost spoiled Rear Window by her presence. What was a woman like that doing with guy like that, in an apartment like that, pulling capers like that? She should have been hanging out in some palace with some prince or other.
 
Posted by steven (Member # 8099) on :
 
El JT--do you actually think I'm crazy, or is that just your way of talking to people? Fine. I'd be willing to send the book or the check to a hatracker of your choice, or whatever address you choose. If you think I'm dangerous, then that should satisfy your need for safety.

Tom, how about you read chapters 18 and 19 of Dr. price's book? The same offer applies. I send you the book and the $25, and you post your comments. That's only about 48-50 pages of reading.
 
Posted by Stray (Member # 4056) on :
 
I can't believe I forgot Audrey Tautou.
 
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
quote:
Tom, how about you read chapters 18 and 19 of Dr. price's book? The same offer applies. I send you the book and the $25, and you post your comments. That's only about 48-50 pages of reading.
I'll make you another offer: I will read, for free, any article printed in a scientifically-accredited journal. I trust Dr. Price's book not at all; what you're doing is akin to asking me to read Ann Coulter to get a new outlook on American politics.
 
Posted by steven (Member # 8099) on :
 
Tom, Dr. price published literally dozens of articles in peer-reviewed journals. A couple of these, in edited form, are in Price's book. Price also referenced dozens of peer-reviewed articles and books, including several studies on animals that showed conclusively the effects of particular nutritional deficiencies on different species. He also performed several animal experiments himself. I'm trying to find a way not to insult you, tom. Can you help me out, there, so we can get past this?

The simple point I'm making is this--although the same nutritional deficiency will produce different effects in different species, you can always be sure that overly-processed or undernourished plant and/or animal products will cause illness in those that consume them. Price made very clear in his book that the same deformity is produced in different species by different deficiencies.
 
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
 
steven, how about you just give us the cites from his book of the articles that were published? Many of us have access to university search engines and could probably locate those articles with ease and then read them.
 
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
 
In that case you should have no problem providing a few of Dr. Price's peer reviewed articles you find particularly central [Smile] .
 
Posted by steven (Member # 8099) on :
 
The Price-Pottenger Foundation has quite a few articles of Dr. Price's. I have asked them to provide a shorter version of the book.
 
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
 
That's a self-published journal, not a peer-reviewed one. Do you have examples of articles that appeared in peer-reviewed journals?
 
Posted by steven (Member # 8099) on :
 
I'll try to dig some of that up for tomorrow. Some of those articles were published nearly 80 years ago. I don't know if the records for those journals go back that far. I'll check for specific references, though.

I'll be the first to admit that I don't know everything about good diet. that's exactly why i try to eat mostly-raw, mostly-unrefined, mostly-fresh, and pretty similar to traditional tribes who have good health. No matter what makes it work, it works. That's my main and only point. I eat a diet that works. I don't know entirely why it works, and I KNOW that I don't know. My guesses about the ormus stuff are just that, guesses. I still think it's worth noting that 100% of the 10-12 people I've shown Dr. Price's book to are quite convinced by the pictures.

I'm not saying Price didn't have his flaws. What I am saying is that none of you are fit to point out the mote in his eye without noting the beams in your own eyes. Who the fizzle are a bunch of armchair-sitting, potato-chip-gulping, soda-slurpers to question the work of someone who spent decades studying nutrition and bone structure?
 
Posted by steven (Member # 8099) on :
 
hang on, fugu. who's the "self" that you are refering to in "self-published"? I sure as shizzle didn't publish it. Neither did Price, Pottenger, Royal Lee, Carey Reams, William Albrecht, or any of the other nutrition greats that they studied. Various people, including quite a few MDs, have put it all together over the years.

fugu, what's your objection? You're practically laughing, and I want to know why. I get the feeling you haven't even studied the posts I've made.

I think it's worth noting that Beverly is quite convinced after doing some reading on the subject. Is she stupid or crazy?
 
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
 
I am convinced enough to change the way I eat. But I also understand their objections.

They understand that you have evidence, but evidence is not the same as proof. Evidence is not the same as science. Many who are arguing against you actually agree that some of Price's conclusions are correct--inasmuch as they agree with the research of multiple objective studies. And no one is denying that he has evidence. But evidence can be used to deceive and cover truth as well as to expose it.

His methods might be enough to convince someone to change the way they eat, but that is not the exact same thing as good science. A lot of my eating changes are a matter of faith rather than certainty.
 
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
 
Self-published means an individual or a group has a 'journal' they publish their own research in, without doing anonymous field-wide peer review. Such as the journal on the site you link.

If you don't know my objection, you haven't been reading my posts [Smile] .
 
Posted by MyrddinFyre (Member # 2576) on :
 
Well since we're (edit: well we were when I started writing this [Wink] ) on Men With Beautiful Faces... I'll put in my say. And here is where it becomes completely obvious I have a thing for awesomely dark and large eyebrows and wide smiles.

Lorne Greene,

Sean Connery now and then,

Keb' Mo',

Samuel Beckett,

and above all,

Patrick Stewart.
 
Posted by MyrddinFyre (Member # 2576) on :
 
Oh... I forgot Peter Lorre!

I love people with sculptural-y faces [Smile]
 
Posted by steven (Member # 8099) on :
 
"New light on the control of dental caries and the degenerative diseases." Journal of the American Dental Association, 18;1889, 1931.

"Control of dental caries and some associated degenerative process through reinforcement of diet with special activators." J.A.D.A., 19:1339, August 1932.

"Calcium and phosphorus utilization in health and disease, 1. Role of activators in calcium and phosphorus metabolism (Domin. D.J., 41:315, October 1929). 2. Nature and source of calcium and phosphorus actvators.". (Domin. D.J., 41:351, November 1929).

"Seasonal variations in butter-fat vitamins and their relation to seasonal morbidity, including dental caries and disturbed calcification." J.A.D.A., 17:850-873, May, 1930.

Here you can get a bibliography with over 150 articles of Dr. Price's. It costs a little for printing and shipping.
 


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