I had to do it, I'm sorry but I just had to do it. I honestly don't care if anyone posts to this thread but I just had to do that.
No offense to anyone but thought it would be very funny to do?
[ September 01, 2006, 01:39 PM: Message edited by: B34N ]
Posted by cmc (Member # 9549) on :
I actually laughed out loud...
(still love those nervously excited guys)
Posted by B34N (Member # 9597) on :
Yeah, they're great aren't they. I really hope peple don't get mad about this thread but it just sounded like a really good idea.
Actually I have link that I need to go back and find it is some of Kevin Smith's thoughts ont he new upcoming Transformers movie but that would probably not go over real well considering Smith's mouth and attitude towards life. But he really was talking about Transformers and hwo the movie is and what not.
Posted by The Pixiest (Member # 1863) on :
Yes, boys think rape is so very funny. They throw the word around all the time. Any offence taken at that is nothing but political correctness.
Posted by cmc (Member # 9549) on :
The Pixiest - I'm a woman. I gather B34N's intent was to move away from that topic.
Posted by B34N (Member # 9597) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Pixiest: Yes, boys think rape is so very funny. They throw the word around all the time. Any offence taken at that is nothing but political correctness.
I take offense to that. I'm a boy stuck in a man's body and I find nothing funny at all about the word rape unless it is used in a context that makes it funny. This is however not a reflection of my views or ideas on the particular thread in question. I have no thoughts one way or another and can not comment on that. Whether I have any knowledge about such thread I can neither confirm nor deny. Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
I think this thread title is hilarious.
And I have been very excited about the movie, although the new sketches have made me somewhat more reserved. I'll probably still go, but to a matinee and not on opening weekend, unless I hear from people I trust that it ended up being great after all. Posted by B34N (Member # 9597) on :
You can never tell with Bay. He has some movies that I really admire and then there are the ones that i don't -- yeha you now which ones they are.
The megatron sketches and mockups are a little troubling and what is this business of megatron not showing up time the end and being in ice, what's that crap all about. I can't believe I have to wait a year to see this thing. But I'm with you I am not going to opening weekend unless I hear good things and see better concept art or what not.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
Pixiest,
You're way over the line with the blanket generalizations.
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That said, I share your contempt for the way the word is sometimes used 'casually'. It's not a word like 'kill' either...although perhaps at some time in the past, "I'll kill ya!" was as horrifying then as, "We raped `em in CTF," is to you and I.
In any case, I'm not really a fan of making horribly offensive words such as racial slurs and rape less offensive through a lengthy period of frequent, casual public use. Just because words can change their meaning that way has no bearing on whether or not they should.
'Rape' as a 'casual' word is a special case, too. It's not like 'kill' because when you actually do kill someone, everyone knows it's a very, very serious thing.
Rape is unfortunately not like that. Some people don't even acknowledge rape as rape unless the girl has to be physically beaten and bloodied into submission, or they mitigate its seriousness depending on how she was dressed, where she was, or how exactly the nonconenting sex took place. So it is already a murky issue to some people, and an issue which people in general are not (I believe) sufficiently aware.
And that's the (practical) reason why I'm against diluting the word's seriousness through 'casual' usage. The real reason I'm personally against it is because rape pisses me off a great deal, and so does being dismissive of it, or taking action which makes it more likely to be dismissed.
I don't particularly think B34N was trying to move away from that topic, because he made it very clear what exactly he was talking about, and that he disdained the 'PC' offense at the word 'rape' in the context, right in the very thread title.
And since I'm irritated this is apparently a joking matter, B34N...you did not have to do this. Clearly you do care if people post in this thread. Your thought that it would be very funny was incorrect. Making jokes about things being too 'PC' is neither new or entertaining unless done in an original and humorous way. This was neither.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
As for the film itself...well, even though I was a fan of Transformers back in the day, I was never a super-fan or anything. I actually kind of like the pictures...sort of. I'm not sure how I feel about them, it will depend on how they look against a background and in motion and such. I think making them look like they did in the old cartoons would be pretty silly, to be honest, beyond sticking to the basic concept. And who knows? Maybe they can alter the surface composition of their bodies (paint).
Posted by The Pixiest (Member # 1863) on :
I'm sorry to hit you with splash damage, Rakeesh. But it IS generally boys (and not so much men) who use "rape" casually and without thought.
I sorta think "Kill" is ok becuase murder isn't nearly as common (like, orders of magnatude less common) than Rape, so you're not as likely to accidently hurt someone who has had someone close to them murdered.
Also "Kill" is kinda universal. Anyone can be killed. *usually* it is only women who are raped. Rape is a mysogynistic act.
Posted by B34N (Member # 9597) on :
Take it your not a South Park fan? By the way those guys are huge Battlestar Galactica Fans, It hought that was cool.
My worst nightmare - I'm stuck in PCU - next I'm gonna start throwing large pans of meat at people.
As for transformers it appears to me that the new movie is only generally based on the original cartoon series that has blossomed into the phenomenom that it has become. But like spiderman, xmen and superman there are always creative licenses taken witht he orginal story line and characters. But that megatron just looks odd, hopefully it will be good.
Posted by cmc (Member # 9549) on :
*hands b34n her old voltron toy, the big one where you could really shoot off the arms, and tells him that she's not mad at him...*
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
quote:Take it your not a South Park fan? By the way those guys are huge Battlestar Galactica Fans, It hought that was cool.
My worst nightmare - I'm stuck in PCU - next I'm gonna start throwing large pans of meat at people.
Actually I'm not really a South Park fan so much anymore. I just sort of fell out of it I think, because I started working evenings and nights which meant (until recently, DVR) that I missed it when the new ones came on. Now when I watch it, if find myself put off by the ceaseless stream of profanity and violence and whatnot...even though I'm well-aware it's not serious. I think it's more a matter of comedy taste, to me anyway. South Park seems to go for the outrageously obvious over-the-top crudity humor. To me, that wears thin after awhile, that's all.
PCU was a funny movie. But it was, you know, a movie. And a partially satirical one, at that. Not a very persuasive reference on your part at all.
This is not just a matter of a bunch of crazy Vegans getting outraged at anyone eating meat. The objections to it have been explained by myself and others in depth and repeatedly. It's beginning to sound to me like you simply don't have any rebuttal at all, and don't wish to admit it.
Posted by B34N (Member # 9597) on :
To have a rebuttal you have to have a stance on the matter which I honestly don't. I have been posting remarks based on the way that the thread was going and trying to lighten the mood which is getting thick on both ends. I'm not a debater and I'm a joker, maybe not a good one, but that's what I've been doing. I am not really interested in holding a debate on the reference to the use and term rape but have engaged in a "as previously mentioned in the other thread" what can be considered a waste of time. The original thread was supposed to be about transformers. This one was supposed to be about transformers and the one that was started as nothing more than a thread about transformers has fallen because it is not controversial enough because of these two threads.
Now that I have made a soem what watered down rubuttal can we can about some freaking transformers. <--- See that was a joke, nothing more, humor doesn't convey very well for me over the net, sorry.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
*shrug* I'll take you at your word that you're just joking around and not trying to make a point.
However, I'll also point out that in my opinion, people are less likely to believe you that you're just joking, when all your jokes are also barbs directed at the opposing view. I realize that what we've got here is hardly a representive sample, but still, you've made at least half a dozen jokes about this all favorable towards the belief that casually using the word rape is acceptable, and disagreeing with that is silly.
Posted by B34N (Member # 9597) on :
Dead issue! And now the thread that was actually doing what people asked has been deleted or I am so tired I can't find it right now. So much for talking about transformers.
Posted by MightyCow (Member # 9253) on :
Men can be and are raped all the time. Ever been to jail?
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
Yes I have, in fact. Have you?
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Has anyone ever argued here that men aren't raped?
Yeah, I didn't think they do. So...good point, MightyCow!
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
quote:The Pixiest - I'm a woman. I gather B34N's intent was to move away from that topic.
Yes, but also to blithely categorize the people who took a position opposite of his in the other thread.
It's fairly obvious. It's also fairly ridiculous to call what was expressed in the other thread "PC."
Posted by Primal Curve (Member # 3587) on :
Believe me, in the world of Primal Curve- few things are inoffensive.
Posted by MightyCow (Member # 9253) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Pixiest: Also "Kill" is kinda universal. Anyone can be killed. *usually* it is only women who are raped. Rape is a mysogynistic act.
This is what I was referring to Rakeesh. I wanted to point out to The Pixiest that men can and do fear rape.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
If you are walking alone after dark, and you notice a man who has been walking behind you for a couple of minutes, do you at least have the thought flit through your mind to be concerned about being raped?
Although Pixiest did somewhat contradict herself by stating that usually women fear it, and then that rape is an anti-woman act. Giving her a bit of benefit of the doubt, however, I believe that she did not mean to say that the act of rape is anti-woman, period. Just that it usually is.
Posted by MightyCow (Member # 9253) on :
True, I would tend to fear that I'd be killed before I considered that I might be raped, then killed.
I disagree with The Pixiest categorizing rape as anti-woman, and with saying that boys throw the word rape around and think it's funny.
I don't see the point in making several offensive generalizations in an effort to make a point about being offensive.
Posted by Zeugma (Member # 6636) on :
I go out of my way to never walk alone in the dark, period.
I'm guessing that the creators of these threads really have no idea what it's like to know that, as a woman, you have a one in six chance of becoming a victim of rape or attempted rape at some point in your life. Clearly, if I could only see it from their point of view, in which my only real risk would be in the unlikely chance I was put in jail, I would find the idea hilariously amusing.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
Exactly, MightyCow. Women generally have that additional worry on top of the ones men generally share as well.
I disagree with her categorizing it as anti-woman, and with saying that boys in general throw it around and think it's funny.
But we've dealt with that, haven't we? She's said that generally it's boys that do it, not that boys generally do it. That is a difference, and an important one.
I cannot recall the last time I ever heard a woman joke about rape, or gloat about raping something. Except a strip in www.questionablecontent.net , come to think of it. So I think you're arguing an issue that's already been dealt with.
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
(As a point of order, Rakeesh, QC is written by a man. So you can't say that a female character in it joking about rape counts as a woman joking about rape. It's still a man joking about rape.)
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
Ha! You're right. It's difficult to remember sometimes, what with all the estrogen up in that strip You're right, though. It was a man joking about a woman joking about rape to another woman.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:Also "Kill" is kinda universal. Anyone can be killed. *usually* it is only women who are raped. Rape is a mysogynistic act.
I think a much more important distinction is that killing isn't necessarily a bad thing. In many situations, killing is a good thing. Antibiotics are good.
Rape, on the other hand, not so. Things have to get twisted into a bizarre Hart's Hope-like situation before there's even the possiblity that raping might not be completely evil.
Posted by Boris (Member # 6935) on :
Sooo,*** I thought the whole point of *this* thread was to get *away* from the topic of rape...
Posted by PUNJABEE (Member # 7359) on :
This thread has the word sex in it. I'm offended, I'm going to start posting a bunch of crap in here to try to derail it.
Posted by MightyCow (Member # 9253) on :
I'm not going to be able to go see the Transformers Movie now, because the entire time I'll be considering the implications of language on life and the various ways people can become offended.
I just want Bumblebee not to look like a complete tool.
No offense to tools, or those who use them.
Posted by The Pixiest (Member # 1863) on :
mph: But Harts Hope (which I barely started before putting down. Sorry...) is written by a man. So once again it's a man making the case for rape. (or at least making a case that rape can sometimes be not enitrely evil.)
MC: Guys rape guys in prison because that's where the people most likely to rape are and there aren't any women to rape. If men and women were in the same prison, you can bet your last pack of illicit cigarettes that the man on man rape would plummet, but over all rape would skyrocket.
And Rakeesh was right. I did not mean that all boys joke about rape but that nearly all jokes about rape are made by boys.
My point about it being anti-woman (This was when my hubby asked me why I was posting about the Transformers and I hit post before clarifying what I meant.) is that the term and action of rape is one of those things that divides the sexes. To boys (not so much men) the word is funny. To women, it's horrifying. To men, rape isn't generally something they think about, much less fear. To women, it's a constant concern when out alone, especially at night. Anyway, Zeugma makes the point really well. Scroll up and read her post.
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Posted by MightyCow (Member # 9253) on :
quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head: You're a liar.
No, I'm serious. I don't think I'll be able to watch the movie without thinking about that stuff. Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:Originally posted by PUNJABEE: This thread has the word sex in it. I'm offended, I'm going to start posting a bunch of crap in here to try to derail it.
You are a liar.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:Originally posted by MightyCow:
quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head: You're a liar.
No, I'm serious. I don't think I'll be able to watch the movie without thinking about that stuff.
I wasn't talking to you. I tried to immediately delete my post, but HR is slow right now. Sorry for any confusion or offense to you.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:mph: But Harts Hope (which I barely started before putting down. Sorry...) is written by a man. So once again it's a man making the case for rape.
That doesn't contractic anything I said.
Posted by MightyCow (Member # 9253) on :
quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head: I wasn't talking to you. I tried to immediately delete my post, but HR is slow right now. Sorry for any confusion or offense to you.
Oh, it's too late for that. The damage has been done! I'm off to make another derivative thread, this time mocking you but thinly disguised as a thread about Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: The Movie Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Knock yourself out.
literally Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
It's hysterical how you persist, PUNJABEE, in trying to cast people disagreeing with you as prudes and that prudish outrage is their only reason for doing so.
Frankly, it's such a stupid position I wonder if even you believe it. You haven't sold even a single other person on it.
Posted by Nighthawk (Member # 4176) on :
God, the Transformers' movie is ten months away and it's *already* destroying societies!
Think of the children! Think what will happen when this movie hits the big screen! Family values will be destroyed, children will attack their parents with sharp objects, throw cats from moving cars, and start using obscene language in their teens! We can't allow this to happen!
Join the "Ban the Transformers Movie Before Things Get Really Out Of Hand" movement NOW!!!
Posted by PUNJABEE (Member # 7359) on :
quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head:
quote:Originally posted by PUNJABEE: This thread has the word sex in it. I'm offended, I'm going to start posting a bunch of crap in here to try to derail it.
You are a liar.
And you cant read sarcasm.
Posted by Nighthawk (Member # 4176) on :
Are we on the "let's see how many threads I can get locked today" trend? 'cause I don't think you want the prize if you win...
Posted by PUNJABEE (Member # 7359) on :
I've done nothing to get this thread locked.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
Does it count if I want him to get the prize?
Edit: Don't worry, it took you awhile to get going on the other one too. You've got plenty of time to get into your blustering, ignorant, rude way of expressing yourself here too!
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
I never feel ashamed for taking somebody's statement at face value. Posted by PUNJABEE (Member # 7359) on :
quote:Originally posted by Rakeesh: Does it count if I want him to get the prize?
See, this is the guy that needs to shut his mouth.
Not me.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
I kinda feel bad for PUNJ. From this point on, this will be what everybody thinks about whenever he post. That's going to be pretty hard to get past.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
Well, I suppose you're right. I won't continue (after this, anyway) ragging on you now that your incessant and rude whinings have been shut down on the other thread.
Enjoy your hard-won infamy, PUNJABEE. You sure stuck it to the trolls on this forum!
Posted by PUNJABEE (Member # 7359) on :
Yeah, how does it feel to be one, Keesh?
Posted by vonk (Member # 9027) on :
I just want to take this opportunity to thank everyone who contributed to this thread and the other. I thought I was going to be bored silly all morning, but thanks to your vigilance I have instead been entertained silly. You're all aces in my book.
[Gah! New page... ]
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
No! You are a troll!
*eats adventurer*
Posted by MightyCow (Member # 9253) on :
This is kind of off. I'm not trying to consciously, but I find that I'm automatically liking more everyone whom Pumjabee attacks.
It's kind of a community-building exercise.
In the Trust Fall of HatRack, Punjabee is gravity.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
Nighthawk,
hehe, you're right. This is why I laugh when geeks talk about other groups of people getting worked up over silly stuff. There ain't a group of people on Earth who don't get hysterical over some things that to everyone else are pretty trivial.
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
I'll say one thing for Rakeesh -- he's almost never the person who starts the namecalling.
Posted by MightyCow (Member # 9253) on :
quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head: No! You are a troll!
*eats adventurer*
You bumped a Wumpus!
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
Yup, I'll admit to that, JT.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
*remembers OSC-fan*
Posted by PUNJABEE (Member # 7359) on :
But he keeps it going, proving he's the bigger problem.
Thanks.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
Actually, I had pretty much forgotten all about OSC-fan. For some reason, he never really grabbed my attention. Perhaps it was just the name tha made me dismissive-later on it was the content, of course. But the name was pretty uninspired.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Not so much OSC-fan, but the out-of-control threads centered around him which had to get locked down by the moderator.
It's been a long time since that sort of thing has happened.
Posted by cmc (Member # 9549) on :
Question - when the thread disappeared, does that mean it's gone forever? Not meaning I'd want to post in it - I mean is it gone as read-only, too?
Posted by Nighthawk (Member # 4176) on :
quote:Originally posted by Rakeesh: Nighthawk,
hehe, you're right. This is why I laugh when geeks talk about other groups of people getting worked up over silly stuff. There ain't a group of people on Earth who don't get hysterical over some things that to everyone else are pretty trivial.
Are you calling me a geek? Huh? ARE YOU?!? Hey, I'm talking to you!!! Why aren't you listening to me?!?
Idiot.
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
Yep. Which is why Pop doesn't typically delete stuff. Usually it's locked and it falls to its purgatory, somewhere around page 40.
Posted by Demonstrocity (Member # 9579) on :
quote:Originally posted by cmc: Question - when the thread disappeared, does that mean it's gone forever? Not meaning I'd want to post in it - I mean is it gone as read-only, too?
Yep.
Unfortunately, that means those of us who had a genuine interesting in pursuing (or quoting) the conversation contained therein are outta luck. Posted by cmc (Member # 9549) on :
Bummer - but I understand why.
Posted by PUNJABEE (Member # 7359) on :
Well when a thread is completely derailed by trolls, it usually helps to just get rid of it.
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
True. Though it doesn't always have to be trolls, plural.
Posted by PUNJABEE (Member # 7359) on :
quote:Originally posted by El JT de Spang: True. Though it doesn't always have to be trolls, plural.
Well in that threads case, yeah it was plural.
Posted by cmc (Member # 9549) on :
GAH! No more with the negative vibes... Can't we all just sit in a cirle, hold hands, make flower chains and sing campy songs??
Posted by MightyCow (Member # 9253) on :
All the happy camp songs I know are dirty. Posted by The Pixiest (Member # 1863) on :
Kumbaya my lord... Kumbaya...
Everybody sing!
Posted by PUNJABEE (Member # 7359) on :
quote:Originally posted by cmc: GAH! No more with the negative vibes... Can't we all just sit in a cirle, hold hands, make flower chains and sing campy songs??
Of course we can.
As long as no one is offended.
Posted by The Pixiest (Member # 1863) on :
Someone's trolling lord... Kumbaya...
Posted by PUNJABEE (Member # 7359) on :
EL Jay isn't here... is she?
Posted by The Pixiest (Member # 1863) on :
Oh lord.... Kumbaya
Posted by MightyCow (Member # 9253) on :
Someone's going to get some breakfast and hope things are more friendly when he gets back... Kumbaya.
Posted by cmc (Member # 9549) on :
Oh it's a good thing I have my own office cause I just hung up from a phone conversation, refreshed this page and immediately started laughing. From the gut and everything...
Posted by The Pixiest (Member # 1863) on :
I'm working so hard at stiffling my laughter that tears are starting to leak out of my eyes.
Posted by cmc (Member # 9549) on :
I was thinking more like around-the-fire-with-s'mores stuff... For some reason 'Tin Soldier' keeps coming to mind.
Posted by vonk (Member # 9027) on :
Mount your horses! Draw your swords!
Hmmm, how is that better?
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
It's not, until you get to the end.
Posted by cmc (Member # 9549) on :
It's not - that's the horrible part.
How about 'Rarebog' or 'Muscle and Arm' or 'Doodly-do' or the blue bottle song or the Camp (insert yours) Song??
Posted by Primal Curve (Member # 3587) on :
<raises hand> I started the name calling.
Anymore of this and we'll be upgrading to "Colossal Smeg-head."
Posted by vonk (Member # 9027) on :
I recall a song about Salty Dogs or something. I think that was pretty good. Ooh ooh, can we sing the song about everything having a purpose, under heaven, turn, turn, turn?
Edit:Ok, back to the Tin Soldier: Who is the people on the hill, and who is the people in the valley? I think we can make this analogy work.
Posted by MightyCow (Member # 9253) on :
I want to know why the people on the hill didn't just share their treasure. If you brag about how awesome your treasure is and bury it, refusing to let anyone see it without killing everyone in your kingdom, you're kind of asking for trouble.
Another case of poor leadership dooming the populace.
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
Especially when your treasure is something that has little value if not shared. It's a freaking idea, people!
Posted by B34N (Member # 9597) on :
SO...Not to get things back on the topic or anything but I am going to steal my thread back!
Now I had some legitimate questions about Transformers, in this thread, the one that got deleted and the other one that started this whole mess.
NOW. Can someone please tell me why it is that Megatron (who now looks like a buch of giant worms crawing all over eachother with metallic stuff here and there) is only seen in the movie for a couple of scenes and why he is stuck under ice. THAT is honestly all I have been after from the start.
Please try to keep this on topic from now on. In other word please heed Papa J's sticky about behaving. Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
MightyCow -- I have no idea what you are talking about nor to whom you are talking.
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
That's not what he meant by behaving. Thread drift will continue to occur, unimpeded, until such time as we're specifically asked by an authority figure to stay on topic.
Posted by vonk (Member # 9027) on :
Good point MC. Why didn't the mountain people just say "Hey, valley people, it's not real treasure! It's just a plaque, nothing to get up in arms about. Please don't kill us!" Really, it was a poorly thought out strategy on their part.
(and just because it isn't on topic, doesn't mean it's bad)
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
From the very beginning this thread was not just for talking about Transformers.
The title itself called stuff in the other thread PC (title has since been changed).
Talking about that discussion is continuing the discussion that was started in the first post, not a derailment of the topic.
Posted by PUNJABEE (Member # 7359) on :
quote:Originally posted by B34N: SO...Not to get things back on the topic or anything but I am going to steal my thread back!
Now I had some legitimate questions about Transformers, in this thread, the one that got deleted and the other one that started this whole mess.
NOW. Can someone please tell me why it is that Megatron (who now looks like a buch of giant worms crawing all over eachother with metallic stuff here and there) is only seen in the movie for a couple of scenes and why he is stuck under ice. THAT is honestly all I have been after from the start.
Please try to keep this on topic from now on. In other word please heed Papa J's sticky about behaving.
In one of the comic series from recent years, the T-Formers eventually left earth, but somehow ended up crashlanding or something. It's been a while since I read the issues, but what I do remember is that Megs was found in the antarctic or something, and he was encased in ice, deactivated.
The army moved him and activated him, but he wasn't fully aware. He was a puppet that they were going to use for defense.
Then he woke up completely and all hell broke loose. Maybe that's the angle they are going for.
Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
But it wasn't until the mountain people said that they would share their treasure that the valley people got all up in arms about it. What kind of logic is that?
"Sure, we'll share it with you"
"What? They're going to share? Kill them all!"
Posted by MightyCow (Member # 9253) on :
One Tin Soldier, my friend. A truly depressing song about the folly of war, and the stupidity of the mountain people who spread rumors about their valuable treasure, which turns out, in a horrible irony, to be nothing more than the phrase, "Peace on Earth."
Oddly enough, Transformers could be described as Tin Soldiers, and their battle is equally tragic.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
The song never did make sense to me. WHen I sang it at campt it seemed incredibly deep and the valley people were so foolish, but if peace was actually a treasure it wouldn't be written on a piece of paper and hidden.
Posted by MightyCow (Member # 9253) on :
The valley people may have been foolish and greedy, but then again, they were the ones alive at the end of the song. Sends kind of a mixed message.
Obviously the mountain people weren't very good keepers of their treasure if the best they could think of to do with it was hide it under a rock and let people think it was tons of gold. How hard would it have been to send an envoy to the valley people and invite them up to visit, maybe practice their vaunted "Peace on Earth", instead of hiding it away.
Here's a lesson for the mountain people:
This little light of mine, I'm gonna let it shine! Hide it under a bushel, NO! I'm gonna let it shine! Let it shine! Let it shine! Let it shine!
Posted by vonk (Member # 9027) on :
Maybe, instead of sharing, the Mountain People should have given the Valley People all of the treasure; it would have ended happier.
Basically, the mountain people should have stopped being so dern peaceful and started picking fights with each other. Then they can give all of the the peace to the valley people. Then the mountain people that like the peace can move to the valley and the valley people that like the fighting can go up to the mountain.
Basically, it's just relocation, but I think it would have saved a lot of bloodshed.
Posted by PUNJABEE (Member # 7359) on :
And the thread derailing continues, even though the creator asked nicely for people to stop.
Sounds oddly familiar.
Posted by MightyCow (Member # 9253) on :
Punjabee, you might take a lesson from the mountain people and try living in peace.
Besides, it's more fun to sing camp songs.
Let's not bicker and argue over who killed who. What's important here is that I've gained a daughter, in a very real, and legally binding way.
Posted by B34N (Member # 9597) on :
Ahhh, who cares if it gets derailed I really just don't want it to turn into another debate about positions that will never change no matter how long it goes on. Ironic isn't that modern day politics, very generally speaking of course.
As for Transformers so they are sticking to the comic story line and not really the original cartoon series. I was young when it first came out so I don't remember the beginning of the series as well as I should. And to be perfectly honest with you doesn't the new megatron kind fo look like Galvatron from the original movie?
Well at least his crown like head does?
Posted by TheGrimace (Member # 9178) on :
MC, that may be true, but I have the *sinking* suspicion that some ill fortune will befall this castle just like those that came before it.
Posted by PUNJABEE (Member # 7359) on :
I appreciate the Holy Grail reference, but it's true. If you people would allow the poster to have his thread back that would be the ultimate showing of living in peace.
I mean jesus H christ man, someone even made another thread for the Tin Soldier song and you people are still derailing this one.
Come on already.
Posted by PUNJABEE (Member # 7359) on :
quote:Originally posted by B34N:
As for Transformers so they are sticking to the comic story line and not really the origianl comic series. I was young when it first came out so I don't remember the beginning of the series as well as I should. And to be perfectly honest with you doesn't the new megatron kind fo look like Galvatron from the original movie?
Well at least his crown like head does?
No, thats not what I meant. I mean they are taking bits and pieces from everywhere. It is inevitable that this movie will suck because of Michael Bay's .. shall we say 'destroying' (for those weak at heart) the story.
Megatron looks like the pictures I posted in the thread that the idiots destroyed. Sorry if you didn't see them. He looks nothing like Galvatron did.
Posted by vonk (Member # 9027) on :
YOU PEOPLE?!?! Gah! The insensitivity is staggering.
Posted by MightyCow (Member # 9253) on :
I never read the Transformer comics, but I enjoyed the cartoons.
Gobots kind of made me angry though. What the heck was up with those copy cats? Transformers were awesome, Gobots were kind of wimpy and friendly and boring. There were a couple good ones, but most of them might as well have been little dollies.
Soundwave was always my favorite. I really wanted him to take down Megatron and take over. Of course, then the Deceptacons would have had strong leadership, and would have kicked the Autobots' butts.
The Autobots are really like the Mountain People, acting all friendly and smug, pretending to live in peace, but really just wanting to keep the Deceptacons down. All the Deceptacons want is their place in the sun, but the Autobots won't let them have it, so they have to fight.
When will they ever learn. When will they ever learn.
Posted by PUNJABEE (Member # 7359) on :
GoBots were the originals. Transformers were the copoffs, and they were better.
Posted by B34N (Member # 9597) on :
I forgot all about the GoBots...They were so dope! I had that one that, well, was an airplane. I can't even write, whoa, that brings back insane childhood memories. The GoBots.
Why?
So "Thudercats Ho!" <-- Do you think they stole the Ho from EG? It was part of the whole battleschool talk? Huh, I'm derailing my own thread?
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
Threads drift here--it's just what they do. They're like casual conversations in that respect. Before someone has really gotten into the flow of the forums it isn't uncommon for them to try to force a thread to stay on track, but 99 times out of 100 the attempt is futile. Most of the time it's just generally ignored, or the request itself becomes the new topic of conversation. When the thread starter succeeds in getting the off topic conversations to stop, it usually kills the thread in the process. It's just one of those things.
B34N, that's funny that you don't want to see this thread turn into a substantive discussion (which is how I read what you just wrote. If I'm misreading, please let me know); take the rancor out of PUNJABEE's thread and you're left with something I find very interesting and thought provoking. I don't agree at all that the discussion (on all of the threads it's been spread across) was unproductive; I know that I thought about the questions raised more thoroughly than I previously had, and that in and of itself has value. I particularly appreciated Tom Davidson's thoughts, since they were different than my own but were well developed and articulated.
In fact, that exact thing--the exposure to well developed, reasonably polite, fairly expressed arguments from people on the other side of an issue from me--is one of my favorite things about Hatrack. It isn't something that a person often has the opportunity to experience in real life, and it provides people with an invaluable opportunity to grow, regardless of whether the arguments persuade them or not.
Posted by MightyCow (Member # 9253) on :
Eh, threads are fluid, you have to let them go with the flow. It's like love: hang on loosely, and don't let go. If you squeeze too tightly, you're gonna lose control.
Now you know. And knowing is half the battle!
Posted by cmc (Member # 9549) on :
GI Joe... Greatest American HERO!
Posted by Enigmatic (Member # 7785) on :
There was a Transformers/GI Joe crossover comic book set in WW2 that looked pretty cool. I only ever read the first issue though. I should see if I can find a trade of those.
--Enigmatic
Posted by B34N (Member # 9597) on :
quote:Originally posted by Noemon: B34N, that's funny that you don't want to see this thread turn into a substantive discussion (which is how I read what you just wrote. If I'm misreading, please let me know); take the rancor out of PUNJABEE's thread and you're left with something I find very interesting and thought provoking. I don't agree at all that the discussion (on all of the threads it's been spread across) was unproductive; I know that I thought about the questions raised more thoroughly than I previously had, and that in and of itself has value. I particularly appreciated Tom Davidson's thoughts, since they were different than my own but were well developed and articulated.
That's not what I meant at all, it depends on which post you are talking about. If you are talking about the one where I say I am going to steal back my thread, yeah that was an attempt to get the discussion back onto Transformers and to try to keep it from getting heated again. If you talking about my last post that was just banter. I was actually really excited about remembering GoBots and then remembered Thundercats. Where is says "Why" it was supposed to say "Whoa" but I was so geeked out that I mistyped, something that I do ratehr often and I am constantly having to edit my posts to read correctly, just missed that one and didn't care about changing it. When I said that I was derailing my own thread I was poking fun at my own posts which I do, I poke fun at myself because I really just post hear to have fun and meet people which is what the forums are about. I will engage in some debates if it is something I like or have some knowledge of but usually try to stay out of it. Sorry you misunderstood the disadvantage of technology. You can't judge how people mean to say things because you can not read their body langauage or see them in person. Honestly most of what I post, have posted, and will post is just mear banter intended to offend no one. If I do tell me politely and I will either delete my post, thread or just tell you that I think you are wrong and explain in full detail why to the best of my ability. Posted by B34N (Member # 9597) on :
quote:Originally posted by Enigmatic: There was a Transformers/GI Joe crossover comic book set in WW2 that looked pretty cool. I only ever read the first issue though. I should see if I can find a trade of those.
--Enigmatic
I own a mint copy of the series. Great story lines and really cool. Would have made a great animated movie back in the day.
Posted by cmc (Member # 9549) on :
Thundercats? Did I hear a reference to the land of Thundera?? I've got a cat named Liono. He stayed living with my parents when I moved, though...
Somehow I find it hard to believe that in 20ish years folks will be reminiscing about the Power Rangers. I could very well be wrong, but they're really just not cool.
Posted by B34N (Member # 9597) on :
Yeah, that whole third planet from the sun thing, I remember that and Thundera. I remember I had a Thundercats themed party as a kid, I wonder if my parents still have pics from that. I can can post them up on myspace?
Yeah, I used to have a freiend with a little sister who was absolutely googoo over them. Who would've thought we'd be here reminiscing over Thundercats, Transformers, GoBots and GIJoe on an internet forum?
Posted by cmc (Member # 9549) on :
About two years ago, Thundercats was on tv again. It either wasn't for long or I just caught the end of its run, but I was thrilled when that I caught it at all.
Didn't think I'd reminisce as much as I do, that's for sure. Cartoons just don't compare anymore... We were spoiled by hand-drawn thrillers starting at 5:30am every Saturday...
Posted by B34N (Member # 9597) on :
Yeah, now's there's just weird shows like Teletubbies and that Blue's Clues thing. I actually know a guy who worked on Blue's Clues. I can not however mention what the animators used to do with the green screen footage and animations on their free time.
That would most definitely not make people happy?
Posted by cmc (Member # 9549) on :
B34N!!!
Don't derail your own thread, man!!!
(although - it's somewhat funny what you COULD do... i was an extra for a golf vidgame and we had to do silly things in front of the greenscreen. who knows what happened with the shots later... it was fun + funny...)
Posted by Zeugma (Member # 6636) on :
quote:what the animators used to do with the green screen footage and animations on their free time
Lies, all lies! There's no such thing as "animators" with "free time"! :-D
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
I liked the Go Bots. :sniff: But then, I liked the short-lived Ewok Saturday morning cartoon.
Posted by B34N (Member # 9597) on :
quote:Originally posted by Zeugma:
quote:what the animators used to do with the green screen footage and animations on their free time
Lies, all lies! There's no such thing as "animators" with "free time"! :-D
How true that is, especially those of us who still like doing the old fashioned draw by hand way. Too much work too little time. But ya gotta make room for play, so why not have fun with the Blues Clues guy, the little bucket and well I leave the rest to anyone's imagination.
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