One of my teachers said on the first day of school "There's no such thing as a stupid question."
I promptly proved her wrong. Posted by erosomniac (Member # 6834) on :
"You don't have the motivation to succeed, and that's not something you can obtain. You will never be successful."
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
Teachers who say things like that make me want to vomit, eros. I hope you've made a life's mission to prove him/her wrong.
Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
"I" before "E" except after "C", unless it says "ay" as in "neighbor" or "weigh".
I mean, that's just weird.
Posted by GaalDornick (Member # 8880) on :
Former Science teacher: "When babies are born, their skulls are made out of cartilage since the bone hasn't developed yet. So you can drop a baby on its' head and it would bounce back up because of the cartilage."
Posted by erosomniac (Member # 6834) on :
quote:Originally posted by Belle: Teachers who say things like that make me want to vomit, eros. I hope you've made a life's mission to prove him/her wrong.
She's over 40, single, a high school math teacher, and unhappy about all of the above.
I'm young, make more money than she does without a degree and love my life.
^_^
Posted by Samarkand (Member # 8379) on :
"You're in this class because your boyfriend is in it."
Um, no, actually. There are these things called "graduation requirements" and I need this class, so . . .
But yeah, she's kind of a sad, lonely, mean, single, over 40 Statistics teacher, and no one likes her. Like, the other teachers hate her and talk about it around students. So I'm ok with it. Also she's on my list of people I would ok with dying. It's very short.
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Tante Shvester: "I" before "E" except after "C", unless it says "ay" as in "neighbor" or "weigh".
I mean, that's just weird.
Heh.
Posted by James Tiberius Kirk (Member # 2832) on :
"The dress code will be enforced."
--j_k
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
It takes light eight seconds to reach Earth from the Sun.
Not silly... just wrong.
Posted by OSTY (Member # 1480) on :
The best I ever had was my World History teacher pointing to Cuba and telling us how the Japanese flew in there to attack Pearl Harbor. When someone tried to correct him, a student born in Hawaii, he told the class we needed to learn our Geography!
Posted by Dragon (Member # 3670) on :
haha
"You just wait, one day you'll write a book that will cause rioting all over east asia, and then you won't be laughing!"
(after googling his name I realized that this wasn't silly - he's actually done that) Posted by erosomniac (Member # 6834) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dragon: haha
"You just wait, one day you'll write a book that will cause rioting all over east asia, and then you won't be laughing!"
(after googling his name I realized that this wasn't silly - he's actually done that)
Posted by romanylass (Member # 6306) on :
I had a high school teacher who insisted a student could not listen to music while studying and retain the subject matter. She went around the class and made each student repeat that individually ( except those she ended up sending to the office) Posted by Telperion the Silver (Member # 6074) on :
quote: One of my teachers said on the first day of school "There's no such thing as a stupid question."
I promptly proved her wrong.
Socrates was a girl?! Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :
7th Grade Science Teacher-- Cholesterol really isn't that bad for you.
Posted by FlyingCow (Member # 2150) on :
There really aren't stupid questions, just stupid people. (or, of course, smart people acting intentionally stupid)
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
I've had a wide spectrum of strange teacherness. I presently have one that completely did not believe me when I told the class that there was an oil spill off the coast of Lebanon.
Since, apparently, Lebanon has no coastline.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by Teshi: It takes light eight seconds to reach Earth from the Sun.
Proof that I'm really tired: I had to stare at that for a whole minute before the problem dawned on me.
I had a teacher (possibly more than one) tell me that electrons moved in circular orbits, like planets.
>_<
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
quote:Originally posted by romanylass: I had a high school teacher who insisted a student could not listen to music while studying and retain the subject matter. She went around the class and made each student repeat that individually ( except those she ended up sending to the office)
If she was saying this because someone was listening to headphones in her class, I sympathize with her situation, even though I don't necessarily agree with that statement. Kids who listen to headphones while I'm teaching make me very, very angry.
Posted by Tresopax (Member # 1063) on :
One of my professors told us that the Hive Queen in Ender's Game had the power to see the future.
Then he told us that, in fact, he once saw the future too.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Kids who listen to headphones while I'm teaching end up very, very dead.
*whistle*
Posted by erosomniac (Member # 6834) on :
quote:Originally posted by rivka: Kids who listen to headphones while I'm teaching end up very, very dead.
*whistle*
Do the kids who listen to headphones while you're teaching, but later regret their actions end up very, very undead?
'Cause a zombie classroom might be kinda fun.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
"Right here in front of the class admit that you were wrong and I was right!"
PE teacher who insisted that I had dropped my watch on the field and lost it and not that she had lost it when I put it in the basket she had passed around.
She was Scottish so man it was hard to stand up to that temper, but in my memory I could see myself clearly placing the watch in the basket, and its perfectly plausible it bounced out of the small basket and onto the field floor.
The comment was only stupid because she could have talk to me after class or off to the side, rather then try to make me acknowledge that I was wrong in front of the whole class. She was pretty pissed when I didnt back down (but I think she was secretly pleased I was bull headed, I imagine the Scottish can appreciate that trait).
She really enjoyed me being in her classroom in the class I took from her the very next semester.
[ September 11, 2006, 02:52 PM: Message edited by: BlackBlade ]
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
rivka, I am very, very tempted to kill said kids. Usually, however, I just embarass them into the ground. If they die of it afterward, then I suppose that would count.
Public Service Announcement: Do not listen to headphones in class when someone is teaching. It is dreadfully, horribly rude. It makes people want to kill you. It makes you-know-who kill a kitten. Please, think of the kittens.
Posted by erosomniac (Member # 6834) on :
quote: Public Service Announcement: Do not listen to headphones in class when someone is teaching. It is dreadfully, horribly rude. It makes people want to kill you. It makes you-know-who kill a kitten. Please, think of the kittens.
First you people guilt me out of my onanism; now you guilt me out of my study habits?
I will kill you until you die from it.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by Megan: Usually, however, I just embarrass them into the ground. If they die of it afterward, then I suppose that would count.
That was certainly my preferred method.
(I don't teach anymore. And frustration with students is a big part of why.)
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
I had the most inappropriate history teacher in jr. high - she was literally crazy. She told us once in class about how she was saved, and since she became a Christian she had never sinned and if we would all only convert to her church we could be sinless too.
Sure, we could have complained, but she was so crazy and her tests so easy, she was pretty entertaining so we all just took our A's and went on our merry way.
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
Erosomniac, study however you like when you're on your own. But listening to headphones in class, when you've got someone in front of you teaching, is extraordinarily disrespectful.
Posted by erosomniac (Member # 6834) on :
quote:Originally posted by Megan: Erosomniac, study however you like when you're on your own. But listening to headphones in class, when you've got someone in front of you teaching, is extraordinarily disrespectful.
I was kidding.
It pisses me off when people don't seem to be paying attention to what I'm saying, even in a casual context, even with eye contact and verbal responses. I can't even imagine how angry I'd get at someone who put on headphones.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:I had the most inappropriate history teacher in jr. high - she was literally crazy. She told us once in class about how she was saved, and since she became a Christian she had never sinned and if we would all only convert to her church we could be sinless too.
That makes her literally crazy in your book?
*gets fitted for a straight jacket*
Posted by CalvinandThomasHobbes (Member # 9158) on :
My 3rd grade teacher told us that Indians and Pilgrims had, "parties, and hung out with each other." I didnt learn about manifest destiny until 5+ years later.
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head:
quote:I had the most inappropriate history teacher in jr. high - she was literally crazy. She told us once in class about how she was saved, and since she became a Christian she had never sinned and if we would all only convert to her church we could be sinless too.
That makes her literally crazy in your book?
*gets fitted for a straight jacket*
*Blinks* Do Mormons believe they're sinless once they convert?
Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
I had a teacher once (fifth grade, I believe) who argued with me for almost an entire class period that Tel Aviv is the capital of Israel. When I informed him that it's Jerusalem, and that I was in fact born there, he reprimanded me for daring to argue with him when obviously he was the more knowledgeable of the two of us. After school that day I complained to my parents (I KNEW I wasn't stupid!!) and my dad flared up and my teacher had to formally apologize to me the next day. I felt kind of bad, but there was a certain satisfaction as well!
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
Literally was probably the wrong word choice there. The whole sinless thing wasn't the only reason we thought she was crazy, it's just the first one that comes to mind.
Posted by Eduardo St. Elmo (Member # 9566) on :
I can't remember any really silly things that any teacher might have said to me. But that's just because I don't remember the silly things anyway. It just gets filtered out somehow.
I have however attended class while wearing headphones. It didn't make the teacher happy, but he knew there was no way he could stop me from doing so. Also, it was the in-ear type of speaker, so you'd hardly notice them anyway. Especially since I only wore one of them; the ear most visible to my teacher was empty and with it I was marginally paying attention to whatever he was going on about... He was continually explaining things to the rest ofthe class that I'd already understood as I'd made the assignments. also, my grades were always good enough, even though I hardly put in any effort. For clarity I think I have to add that this was a course in my native language, the class was scheduled for the last two hours every friday (between 14:00 and 16:00 hours, roughly). Because I didn't want to skip the lesson every week and having it appear on my attendance sheet, I hung around, but most of the time I didn't learn much besides how to kill time.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
quote:It didn't make the teacher happy, but he knew there was no way he could stop me from doing so.
Are there not rules in these classes? Do the teachers not have the authority to forbid headphones? I know in my kids handbook it reads that any headphones or cell phones used in class will be confiscated. The parents can come to the school and redeem the item but it won't be returned to the student.
Posted by Eduardo St. Elmo (Member # 9566) on :
I don't know whether there were any explicit rules that forbade the use of headphones. Cellphones weren't an issue at that time, that's for sure. The teacher just let me be. Since my grades weren't aversely affected by my lack of classroom participation, he must not have seen any reason to stop me.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
quote:Since my grades weren't aversely affected by my lack of classroom participation, he must not have seen any reason to stop me.
difference in teaching styles then - had you been in my class your grade would have been aversely affected.
I've noticed some teachers at the college level take attendance and are really big on participation and others don't care. Some classes I see people texting each other all class long (annoying, because even if it's silent, it's still distracting to have someone texting right next to you, you can hear the keys clicking at the very least) and some classes people don't dare even pull out their cell phones because the teacher makes a big deal out of it.
Personally, since I plan to teach middle or high school, I'll be pretty strict about it, to the extent that school rules allow me to be. If I can confiscate electronic items, I certainly will and if the parents won't come redeem them by the end of the year I'll donate them to charity.
Posted by Eduardo St. Elmo (Member # 9566) on :
Yeah well, you have to take into account that I live in the Netherlands. We tend to have a different outlook on rules...
Posted by Silent E (Member # 8840) on :
Eighth grade science exam question: Name three extinct birds.
Me: Dodo, Passenger Pigeon, Elephant Bird
Teacher: Minus one point. There's no such thing as an "Elephant Bird".
Me: Well, not anymore. They're extinct.
Teacher: Ha, ha. You know what I mean.
Me: They did exist.
Teacher: No, they didn't.
Me: Yes, they did.
Teacher: Well, I've never heard of them.
Me: Then what did you want us to put as the answer?
Teacher: Parrots.
Me: What?!
Teacher: Well, some kinds of parrots are extinct.
Posted by Tresopax (Member # 1063) on :
quote:difference in teaching styles then - had you been in my class your grade would have been aversely affected.
Why? If it isn't impacting his learning or the learning of the other students, what benefit is there for lowering a student's grade for wearing an earphone?
Posted by Eduardo St. Elmo (Member # 9566) on :
Yes, but only the type of parrots that you buy at petstores... Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:*Blinks* Do Mormons believe they're sinless once they convert?
No, but that doesn't matter for my point.
Belle said that her teacher was "literally crazy" because of what she believed about sin and her religion. I'm sure I believe things about religion and sin that Belle doesn't agree with. In Belle's eyes, does that make me "crazy" just like her teacher?
Posted by MyrddinFyre (Member # 2576) on :
Personally, I think it's pretty crazy to be bringing her religion into the classroom, especially since it seems she was trying to convert students O_O
Edit to clarify: As to exactly what she believes, doesn't matter to me. Just thought maybe there's some law against what she was doing!
Posted by Eduardo St. Elmo (Member # 9566) on :
Tresopax: thank you for backing me up. I would only listen to music when the teacher was explaining things I already understood. Besides, I was sitting in the front row of the class and nobody was sitting next to me. In this way, none of the other students were adversely affected by my insolence. - Though it might have annoyed them that I could get away with it... Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:Personally, I think it's pretty crazy to be bringing her religion into the classroom, especially since it seems she was trying to convert students O_O
I'll agree that it was inappropriate, and possibly foolish, but do you really agree that it's "literally crazy"?
What sort of treatments do you think should be forced upon her to cure her of this condition?
Posted by MyrddinFyre (Member # 2576) on :
Ahhh... you're speaking to a twenty-something who still acts like a teenager. I use words like literally to mean totally, absolutely, really, so, etc. So when I read them, I don't at first take into effect that they have, well, literal meanings besides being slangy emphasis words.
That said... No, I don't think that that makes her literally crazy, just zealous or even just enthusiastic. Though it sounds like there are other reasons we haven't been told that might otherwise make her so, I'd be curious to hear the whole picture.
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
(In reference to me serving a mission for the Mormon church)
"Why are you wasting your time doing that?"
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
mph- I totally see what you mean. I just thought I understood basic mormon beliefs pretty well. I was going to be fairly surprised if I'd missed something that important.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Let me point out that there are Mormon beliefs which could be misconstrued (which is what I'm guessing Belle has done) to be pretty much what Belle said her teacher said.
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
quote:My 3rd grade teacher told us that Indians and Pilgrims had, "parties, and hung out with each other." I didnt learn about manifest destiny until 5+ years later.
Er... Manifest Destiny didn't come around until the 19th century-- a while after the Pilgrims landed in Plymouth. It was coined first in 1845...
But I think I know what you mean.
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
Would you mind explaining or giving me a link that explains?
I'm not challenging you, I just try to make it a point to understand Mormon beliefs since I interact with them here so frequently. And because, you know, it's interesting.
Posted by JennaDean (Member # 8816) on :
Yeah, mph, why don't you badly explain our beliefs so blacwolve can misinterpret them and think we're literally crazy? (Sorry, couldn't resist, it seemed like such an interesting request.)
My 10th grade Honors Chem teacher should've retired LONG ago. She spent one whole class period teaching us how to properly turn the pages of the textbook.
She did end up retiring halfway through the school year due to family issues, and we were taught by substitutes the rest of the year. Roughly half of this Honors class failed the minimum level skills test. (The "if you can't pass the minimum level you don't deserve to pass 10th grade" kind of test; honors kids usually skated through blindfolded.) Most of them took it again during the summer and passed, but a few failed the class. We were in shock. It was a bad year....
Posted by romanylass (Member # 6306) on :
quote:Originally posted by Megan:
quote:Originally posted by romanylass: I had a high school teacher who insisted a student could not listen to music while studying and retain the subject matter. She went around the class and made each student repeat that individually ( except those she ended up sending to the office)
If she was saying this because someone was listening to headphones in her class, I sympathize with her situation, even though I don't necessarily agree with that statement. Kids who listen to headphones while I'm teaching make me very, very angry.
No, not at all. She was lecturing on study skills. I had the nerve to say that I did study to music at home and if I had trouble remembering something, I would mentally replay the music I had been studying to and it would come to me.She did NOT like that.
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
quote:Originally posted by Eduardo St. Elmo: Tresopax: thank you for backing me up. I would only listen to music when the teacher was explaining things I already understood. Besides, I was sitting in the front row of the class and nobody was sitting next to me. In this way, none of the other students were adversely affected by my insolence. - Though it might have annoyed them that I could get away with it...
The fact that you recognize it as insolence suggests that you understand that what you were doing was, in fact, inappropriate. In my class, I would ask you to remove the headphones. If you refused, I would ask you to leave. There's no reason you should get credit for attending a class in that situation. Headphones distract other students who are trying to pay attention. Particularly if it's in a college or university setting, if you're not going to pay attention in class, don't go. If there is an attendance policy, it's usually for a good reason, and you should pay attention. Even if you already think you know everything that's being taught (and I have to say, about half the time when students think that, they're dead wrong), it's still horribly rude to come into class and ignore the person who's up there teaching, having (hopefully) put some effort into creating an informative lesson plan. By doing so, you aren't fulfilling your part of the student-teacher bargain.
Edit: Ok, I agree, Romany, that's just silly. That's a useful memory device; I'd be encouraging that for all I was worth!
Posted by TheGrimace (Member # 9178) on :
highschool sociology teacher tried teaching us the following:
1) a mother abandoning her newborn child to die of exposure in a dumpster is a victimless crime (keep in mind that this man was a monk, though don't use this as ammo against Catholics, cause the rest of the monks were great)
2) that the JFK assassination was a conspiracy by all of these groups working together: The houston police department, the CIA, the FBI, the chicago mob, the KGB, the Cuban government, the secret service and the army (I think I may have left one group out, it's been a while)
Also had a "History of the Space Age" professor try to convince us that the russians developed spherical spacecraft and the Americans developed cone-shaped spacecraft not because of technical reasoning, but because of idealogical differences.
Posted by A Rat Named Dog (Member # 699) on :
blackwolve, Mormons don't believe that salvation is a one-time event that guarantees a trip to heaven and renders all your future choices moot. That's actually one of our biggest disagreements with a certain brand of born-again Christian.
I think that mph was reacting to the idea that a religious belief made a person "literally crazy" because Mormons certainly believe things that to an outsider could be construed as similar — not in nature, but in degree — to the belief described.
But we definitely disagree with that particular doctrine.
Now, back to the subject at hand.
"The dark side of the moon receives no light from the sun."
The teacher then, at my request, attempted to demonstrate how this occurs during a solar eclipse, using a projector to represent the sun, a globe to represent the earth, and herself to represent the moon (when a ball failed to produce the resutls she wanted). The body contortions were hilarious.
Posted by Sterling (Member # 8096) on :
I had a teacher tell me every story has to have a point or moral. That little chestnut is a hindrance to me to this day, despite my knowing in my heart that it isn't so.
quote:"I" before "E" except after "C", unless it says "ay" as in "neighbor" or "weigh".
I mean, that's just weird.
As every good scientist knows.
quote:Let me point out that there are Mormon beliefs which could be misconstrued (which is what I'm guessing Belle has done) to be pretty much what Belle said her teacher said.
Given that she hasn't said the teacher was a Mormon, I don't think you can infer that.
And as she's already said that "literally" crazy may not be the proper term, I suggest you kindly leave the poor woman to her anecdote.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:Given that she hasn't said the teacher was a Mormon, I don't think you can infer that.
I didn't assume that her teacher was Mormon. I assumed that Belle has misconstrued what her teacher, who I never thought was Mormon, actually said.
I know that Belle said that the "literally" crazy wasn't the best choice. I have mostly been responding to other people since then.
Posted by Celaeno (Member # 8562) on :
My third grade teacher told me that she cut off her entire thumb when she was a little girl. She bandanged it up, and every day she would peak under it. Before long, she could see her thumb starting to grow up. At this point in the story she held up her hand and wiggled her completely normal thumb at us.
Posted by Sterling (Member # 8096) on :
quote:I didn't assume that her teacher was Mormon. I assumed that Belle has misconstrued what her teacher, who I never thought was Mormon, actually said.
It's certainly possible. But it's somewhat unkind to presume off the bat that the only point of view available (the giver's) of a harmless anecdote is wrong.
Posted by littlemissattitude (Member # 4514) on :
The silliest thing I ever heard come from a teacher's mouth was that "the aborigines live in Africa and the Pygmies live in Australia." That was in 10th grade, in my Bible as Literature class (yes, in the early 1970s, in a public high school).
But coming in very, very close was in an archaeology class at BYU, being taught by a grad student. It was an introductory survey, so the material was very basic. Well, one day the teacher was talking about the Stone Age, and gave the divisions as Paleolithic, Neolithic, and Mesolithic, in that order. Now, having been fascinated with archaeology since the age of about 7, I knew that wasn't right. But he never would admit that he had gotten it wrong, and even claimed that the textbook was wrong where it listed the order as Paleolithic, Mesolithic, and then Neolithic.
Posted by BaoQingTian (Member # 8775) on :
[aside] Wow, my mom was an archeology major for a while at BYU in the early 70's- that's a crazy coincidence. [/aside]
Posted by SC Carver (Member # 8173) on :
My brother came home from 2nd grade and swore his teacher taught them George Washington Shot Lincoln. We couldn't convince him other wise for about a week.
Posted by MrSquicky (Member # 1802) on :
quote:But coming in very, very close was in an archaeology class at BYU, being taught by a grad student. It was an introductory survey, so the material was very basic. Well, one day the teacher was talking about the Stone Age, and gave the divisions as Paleolithic, Neolithic, and Mesolithic, in that order. Now, having been fascinated with archaeology since the age of about 7, I knew that wasn't right. But he never would admit that he had gotten it wrong, and even claimed that the textbook was wrong where it listed the order as Paleolithic, Mesolithic, and then Neolithic.
THat's even sillier when you consider that Paleo- means old, Meso- middle, and Neo- new.
Posted by Seatarsprayan (Member # 7634) on :
My 8th grade English teacher said there was only one kind of love. That the love between mother and child and man and wife and brother and sister was all the same thing.
Me, I think the Greeks had four different words for it for a reason. I know I sure don't love my wife the same way that I love my father.
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
quote:Originally posted by JennaDean: Yeah, mph, why don't you badly explain our beliefs so blacwolve can misinterpret them and think we're literally crazy? (Sorry, couldn't resist, it seemed like such an interesting request.)
Right, the reason I ask someone if they will explain their beliefs to me is because I want to be able to misinterpret them.
Or possibly, I could be trying to learn about them in greater detail so that I won't misinterpret them.
But why go for the former statement when the latter statement provides for so many opportunities to feel abused?
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
quote:Originally posted by A Rat Named Dog: blackwolve, Mormons don't believe that salvation is a one-time event that guarantees a trip to heaven and renders all your future choices moot. That's actually one of our biggest disagreements with a certain brand of born-again Christian.
I think that mph was reacting to the idea that a religious belief made a person "literally crazy" because Mormons certainly believe things that to an outsider could be construed as similar — not in nature, but in degree — to the belief described.
Right, I get that. But then mph said that:
quote: Let me point out that there are Mormon beliefs which could be misconstrued (which is what I'm guessing Belle has done) to be pretty much what Belle said her teacher said.
Which prompted my next question because I am, in general, interested in Christian theology. My second question was completely unrelated to the rest of the thread, and rested purely on my own curiosity about Mormon beliefs.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
Tresopax/Eduardo St. Elmo : Part of being a student is showing due respect to the teacher as a student. When I already know the material I think about what I am doing and whether or not I can do it and still pay attention to the teacher.
If the teacher cannot reliably call on me to assist with the lesson i.e, ask me a question, or request my opinion, then I need to do something else. Listening to music almost certainly IMO makes you unable to hear what the teacher is saying and therefore unable to assist in making the classroom a place of learning. Perhaps you would be more able to explain a concept to your peers then your teacher who is usually a bit older than you.
Besides all that, what is the point of being a classroom if you are not there to interact in the learning process? Its why I many of my college professors. They do not take attendance, and if I expect to do well I have to attend lecture, pay attention, and I am tested on whether or not I know the material. They also grade me on class participation. Teachers should IN AN IDEAL WORLD should not have to do all the explaining or teaching, I think students are an integral part of a teachers list of tools for educating.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by blacwolve:
quote:Originally posted by A Rat Named Dog: blackwolve, Mormons don't believe that salvation is a one-time event that guarantees a trip to heaven and renders all your future choices moot. That's actually one of our biggest disagreements with a certain brand of born-again Christian.
I think that mph was reacting to the idea that a religious belief made a person "literally crazy" because Mormons certainly believe things that to an outsider could be construed as similar — not in nature, but in degree — to the belief described.
Right, I get that. But then mph said that:
quote: Let me point out that there are Mormon beliefs which could be misconstrued (which is what I'm guessing Belle has done) to be pretty much what Belle said her teacher said.
Which prompted my next question because I am, in general, interested in Christian theology. My second question was completely unrelated to the rest of the thread, and rested purely on my own curiosity about Mormon beliefs.
Sorry to hijack the thread on another off topic.
Mormons do not believe in "Once you are saved, you can't be lost."
But they do believe that a man or woman through a lifetime of diligence can obtain a state where they literally overcome the temptations of the devil and have absolutely NO desire to ever sin. Such people are capable of frequent communion with God or his messengers and they can have their "Calling and Election made sure." Its not so much that their given a "Get out of jail free card" as a "God who knows everything knows these people will never sin again."
Its an EXTREMELY rare thing, and it is not frequently mentioned in Mormon theology. Its almost entirely a personal matter, so you cannot really lay out the steps or estimate if one COULD reach such a state, much less WHEN it would happen.
Thats the closest thing I could think of in Mormon theology that approaches the idea that somebody could be saved from all their sins the rest of their life.
I will note that some Mormons believe that if somebody has had their "Calling and Election Made Sure." If they do sin after that point, they will be forgiven by default. But I have YET to hear any Prophet, Apostle say that that is so.
I'm done hijacking! I promise!
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
I was just referring to the fact that we believe in baptism for the remission of sins, and wasn't thinking about any of the relatively obscure Mormon ideas you just posted.
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
BlackBlade- Thank you. Posted by Primal Curve (Member # 3587) on :
Oh, if I could only find my notes from my junior and senior year "Bible Classes." I went to a private christian school. The person who taught (and still teaches) those classes was as much an ultra-right-wing nutjob as you can imagine. The "I'm in the NRA and I vote" sticker on his classroom door was almost a warning sign. True, being in the NRA in and of itself does not constitute nut-jobbery, but its prominence on the door of a teacher who is supposed to be leading us in scriptural learning is certainly a red flag to me.
Then there was the shell-casing from a WWII tank shell, the maces and swords mounted on the walls and other, conspicuous displays of military paraphernalia. I can't remember most of the other stuff in the class. He did have his own TV and VCR in the classroom because he regularly showed us videos from such classic programming as "Sightings," "Unsolved Mysteries," and "Ripley's Believe it or Not" to show the spiritual and demonic workings of the world.
The senior year class was "Marriage and the Family." You can imagine what kind of exciting things we learned about married life. One thing was that it was a bad idea to have the woman in the family work. He forbade his spouse from working anything but a part-time job at the school. I think it had something to do with infidelity or something.
The only shining moment I can remember (apart from the amusing videos) was one two-week period our senior year where he read a story about some strange goings on in Thomas Bay, Alaska. We had finished our regular curriculum early, so he decided to regale us with the tale. For all of my old Bible teacher's craziness, the man was a gifted orator and could really read a story. He had us gripped from almost the first sentence.
I'll have to see if my sister still has her notes.
Posted by vonk (Member # 9027) on :
"After the nuclear war I'll be alive long after you're all dead!" - 8th grade Algebra teacher (said after some jerk in class made a joke about the teachers weight)
Teacher - "How are you today?" Me - "Ugh, didn't sleep well last night." T - "Oh, were the aliens talking to you again?" M - "Uhh, umm, yeah, uh, ok, I'm gonna go sit down."
"Aliens suck the energy out of people while they're at concerts. That's why you're always so tired at the end." - Creative Writing teacher. Well, she certainly was creative.
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
With some rare and spectacular exceptions, I've never gotten on well with my English teachers. I spent one year coming up with exceptions to all of the teacher's spelling "rules," without much effort. "I before E except after C" was an easy one...
"What about 'their'?" "Well, the 'ay' words like 'neighbor' and 'weigh' use different--" "Like 'neither' and 'sheik'?" "Those are--" "Science?" "When the verbs are in different syllables, there's a different--" "Weird?" "That spelling is disputed, actually--" "'Deity'? 'Fallacies'? 'Beige'? 'Eight'? 'Seize'?"
I wasn't a teacher's pet that year. I wasn't trying to be a pain in the ass -- not completely -- as much as get her to stop teaching rules that would cause as much harm as good in the long run. When there are as many exceptions as examples, it's time to give the rule a rest. Thing is, I was intensely interested in why English has so many different and conflicting rules -- still am -- and I think bringing in just a little of that to prove that there are reasons for every one of those annoying little inconsistencies in our amazing polyglot bastard child of a langauge would help a lot.
[ September 11, 2006, 05:44 PM: Message edited by: Chris Bridges ]
Posted by EricJamesStone (Member # 5938) on :
My 7th-grade science teacher:
"Inside the sun, hydrogen atoms combine to form helium and produce energy. Then the helium atoms split apart to form hydrogen and the process repeats itself in a never-ending cycle."
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
quote:Why? If it isn't impacting his learning or the learning of the other students, what benefit is there for lowering a student's grade for wearing an earphone?
Because it's rude and disrespectful. If I'm a teacher, I think the least I shoud expect from students is that for the hour they're in my class, they give me their attention.
Posted by King of Men (Member # 6684) on :
I once had a teacher tell me that if you put a pot of water on the stove, and boil it, the room will get colder.
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
When I was in seventh grade, my math teacher, in the unit about area, introduced the class to the concept of π. Because my father had been a math teacher, I was already familiar with this number (and actually rather fascinated by it). So I raised my hand and mentioned that π, written as a decimal, neither repeats nor terminates (I'm sure I used a different word, of course). Other students asked him if that was true, to which he responded, "See for yourself: π equals 22 ÷ 7." The other students quickly found that this in fact repeated after 7 places, and ragged on my for being full of it. When I told my father, he was incensed, and the next day I brought in his copy of CRC's Handbook of Chemistry and Physics, which had, in an appendix, π calculated to the first 1000 decimal places.
Posted by Elmer's Glue (Member # 9313) on :
On the first day in my government class, the teacher was making some point about how we should "be willing to risk failure in this class". Then he asked me about it and I pointed to the bumper sticker he had on a filing cabinet which said "Failure is not an option." He didn't seem to like that I was calling him a hypocrit, so he sort of ignored my point.
Posted by Tinros (Member # 8328) on :
Oh geez. I've had some crazy teachers- crazy in a bad way, and crazy in fun ways. Examples:
8th grade CP Algebra 1: My teacher did things like play steel drums for the class, hand out licorice because "it's made from the bark of trees, and that makes you smarter"(I've never heard that one anywhere else), and insist that the "mullet" is NOT a type of hairstyle.
11th grade Junior History(World History): this guy was an idiot. He pronounced nuclear as "nucular", and couldn't spell "President"(I think he wrote it as "Prezidant".). He also told us, that in a certain battle in WWII, we sent over 10,000 soldiers, and 35,000 of those same 10,000 died. Dead serious- it was on a test that way. I put the correct answer- the one the book had- but he insisted that we "weren't learning what the book taught, we were learning what HE taught." He, himself, never read the book. I had to take it to the head of the history department to get my grade changed(there were enough errors on the test that putting the correct answers lowered my grade by 10%, and lowered my overall GPA by a considerable amount.) This man still teaches there, and is the wrestling coach.
10th grade creative writing and Honors English 2 teacher: this lady was FUN. Yeah, she was a little crazy, but that's part of the fun. Example: we joked around a lot that her daughter, 3, was possesed. Whilst attempting to "read" a picture book to her mother, her eyes glazed over and she started speaking in some unknown language, ending with "And the people will rise up...". No joke- it was all on video. Afterwards, the girl went completely back to normal, like nothing had happened. Fun classes though.
And the list goes on. For the most part, my teachers either knew what they were doing, or were complete idiots. I swear I've had teachers with a reading level below the grade they were teaching. But, oh well. I delt with it, and now that I'm in college, hopefully that will change.
Posted by Nell Gwyn (Member # 8291) on :
My reading teacher in 6th and 7th grade felt the need to advise us that if we were ever lost in a desert, and we knew we were going to die, that we should make sure to die face-down so the vultures won't pick out our eyes and our bodies will still be identifiable. He was definitely a bit of a character - another time he randomly claimed to be a Civil War veteran.
Posted by Ginol_Enam (Member # 7070) on :
My kindergarten teacher compared my free-hand drawing of a tree to another student's traced drawing of a race car.
My first third grade teacher threw an eraser at me (she so got fired for that).
MY 7th grade science teacher would go on and on about her kid, who was pretty frail and ill and would get hurt a lot.
My 8th grade science teacher threw away a bunch of students' project away in mid-completion 'cause he got angry with the class.
My 11th grade Latin teacher said she would give extra credit if anyone went to see Troy, but then refused to hand the extra credit out to the students who paid money to see it because it was rated R.
My 12th grade English teacher said that The Lord of the Rings had no literary merit.
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
Just out of curiosity, how do teachers feel about students crocheting or knitting in their classes (if it doesn't impair their ability to participate or learn)?
I ask because I bite my nails obsessively and for a few semesters I was bringing my crocheting to class in order to spare my nails. I stopped when it was pointed out that some teachers might view it as disrespectful.
Posted by Hank (Member # 8916) on :
Teacher: Some religions think women aren't as good as men, like the amish and mormons.
Me: Um, I happen to BE mormon, and that's not true.
She then ARGUED with me for about five minutes in front of the class. What is with teachers who think the middle of a lesson is a good place to spout of their religious views? Even if I agreed with the views. WAY inappropriate in public school.
Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
I have to say that many college professors I've had don't seem to hold up their end of the student-teacher relationship. Given what I've observed in school, the teacher has a huge impact on the students' attitude. A teacher who actually teaches the material instead of telling us what's in the book or reading from a powerpoint slide is going to get a much better reaction from students.
If my attendance is enforced through pop quizzes or by tying it to my grade, I have absolutely no problem sitting in the back and doing crossword puzzles while half paying attention to see if the professors says anything important. This strategy (along with outright skipping of useless lectures that don't enforce attendance) hasn't caused me any problems. I do my best to be discreet to avoid causing a distraction or undue emotional distress on the part of the lecturer. I don't think my obligation to respect a person extends to giving them my full attention for an hour an a half twice a week so they can tell me something I already know or could easily look up in half the time.
On the original topic of the thread: My art teacher in junior high claimed that measurements over the past few centuries had proven that the speed of light is slowing down and that there is a vertical asymptote at 4004 BC, when the speed of light was infinite. Naturally, this proved that the world was created in 4004 BC.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
quote:Just out of curiosity, how do teachers feel about students crocheting or knitting in their classes (if it doesn't impair their ability to participate or learn)?
I'm not a teacher yet, but I would find it extraordinarily disrespectful and would forbid it in my classroom if I had the power to.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
blacwolve, I would discuss it with teachers beforehand. If framed as a nail-biting antidote, you might get an ok. (I would probably have said no, but I'm mean. )
Posted by Mr.Funny (Member # 4467) on :
Well, my calculus teacher was talking about infinite series, and how they continued on forever, from nsub0 to nsubi. He mentioned at some point the ith term. "Yes, there really is an 'ith term'. You know, like 'ith ith baby!'" The entire class found this to be quite amusing, as this is a normally fairly strict and no-nonsense teacher.
Posted by AvidReader (Member # 6007) on :
On every syllabus my mom got for her education classes: "Remember, effort does not guarantee a passing grade."
My mom was complaining to me that if she said anything like that to her students she'd get fired. Nice that they can do it to the teachers, huh?
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
I like that phrase quite a bit. I think it should be said much more often than it is. I have said things like, "Any grade you get in my class is your grade. You earn it, whether it's an A, a C, or an F."
Posted by Dead_Horse (Member # 3027) on :
My second grade teacher insisted there were no numbers less than zero. I think that was just so as not to confuse the kids whose fathers weren't engineers who taught their kids college level math.
The mean part was, she wrote a bunch of subtraction equations on the board and assigned each to a student. I'm pretty sure she picked me for the only one that resulted in a negative number on purpose just so she could tell me I was wrong.
I didn't believe anything else she taught that year.
She also wouldn't let me write in normal sized cursive, but insisted that we print on the huge lined paper with the dotted line for the lowercase characters.
Posted by Nighthawk (Member # 4176) on :
I've posted this many a time, but for those that haven't seen it I figured I'd point it out again because it's appropriate: The Mathematics of Sand Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:If my attendance is enforced through pop quizzes or by tying it to my grade, I have absolutely no problem sitting in the back and doing crossword puzzles while half paying attention to see if the professors says anything important.
quote:I don't think my obligation to respect a person extends to giving them my full attention for an hour an a half twice a week so they can tell me something I already know or could easily look up in half the time.
Amen.
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
High school guidance counselor (not the same as a teacher, but it fits): "This is an impressive PSAT score. I'm not sure what you plan on doing with it, since women have no place in higher education..."
When I feel like quitting my current degree program, I remember him telling me that - and I get inspired to continue, just to prove him wrong.
Posted by MightyCow (Member # 9253) on :
I had a HS Honors History teacher who was a real hardass. He actually forced us to learn and only gave good grades to very concise, well written essays. I know that I did much better in college because he made us work so hard in his class.
He also liked to yell at us after we turned in a bunch of sloppy essays. On day, as he was ranting he said, "None of you are paying attention to me, and that's why you're getting bad grades on your papers. If I tell you I'm God, you'd better write that in your essays!"
I laughed out loud at that, and the entire class turned and looked at me with horror in their eyes.
I apologized for laughing, and he decided to end the rant and get back to work. I think every single person in class approached me later that day and told me they though he was going to either explode or throw me out the window.
Posted by Tresopax (Member # 1063) on :
quote:My first third grade teacher threw an eraser at me (she so got fired for that).
She seriously got fired just for that? I've been in several classes where the teacher threw eraser to get students' attention. It certainly doesn't seem like a fireable offense, unless they're getting violent about it or something...
quote:Besides all that, what is the point of being a classroom if you are not there to interact in the learning process?
I'm pretty sure many students - at least those who would wear headphones while the teacher is talking - would rather not be in the classroom if they had the choice. Posted by Blaine (Member # 9412) on :
My English professor told me, "You show great promise [as a writer]."
Haha! Boy, did I prove him wrong.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
One of my honors English teachers told me that I wasn't smart enough to be in the honors program and had me tested for a learning disability because my spelling was so poor.
She really had me convinced that I was a dunce. It took the next two years of excellent teachers to convince me otherwise.
Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
Deficiency in one particular area doesn't imply stupidity!
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Yup. I got tested for learning learning disabilities, and I was sent back with essentially the message "What idiot sent this guy in to be tested for a learning disability?"
Posted by Sharpie (Member # 482) on :
quote:Originally posted by blacwolve: Just out of curiosity, how do teachers feel about students crocheting or knitting in their classes (if it doesn't impair their ability to participate or learn)?
I ask because I bite my nails obsessively and for a few semesters I was bringing my crocheting to class in order to spare my nails. I stopped when it was pointed out that some teachers might view it as disrespectful.
When one of my sons was in fourth grade, he was in probably the toughest stage of his Tourette's. He had a lot of motor tics which could have been very distracting, but he was also learning -- we were all learning -- that substitutions worked sometimes. He wouldn't have tried crocheting, but his teacher (against my uncharitable first impressions, I would add) was wonderfully tolerant of his trials and errors. It helped that he was so obviously NOT trying to "get attention with his antics" but was trying to be less of a distraction to his classmates and teacher. She even tolerated silly putty, against classroom rules. She may have even suggested it. If he could keep something in his hands during "lecture" time, whatever that is called in fourth grade, it helped enormously.
(Some of this was covered under his IEP and section 504. I don't think there is a section of section 504 for nailbiting .)
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
"You don't have to understand it, you just have to know it."
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My ninth grade algebra teacher used to call my friend her "Italian Stallion". He was actually Thai.
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head:
quote:If my attendance is enforced through pop quizzes or by tying it to my grade, I have absolutely no problem sitting in the back and doing crossword puzzles while half paying attention to see if the professors says anything important.
quote:I don't think my obligation to respect a person extends to giving them my full attention for an hour an a half twice a week so they can tell me something I already know or could easily look up in half the time.
Amen.
I could agree with this if the teacher had a choice in the matter, as in university classes. But in k-12 classes, it's not the teacher's fault the state forces you to attend school up to a certain age, and the teacher has only a very limited ability to affect your placement. So if, in your pique at being in a class you consider beneath your abilities, you take it out on the teacher (who also has no choice on whether or not to take or enforce attendance) by showing disrespect, than I really think that's out of line.
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
(If you don't want to be in my class, believe me, I'd rather you weren't there as well.)
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
In K-12, the student has as little choice in the matter as the teacher does.
But yeah, I was talking about university courses.
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
I'm afraid I have done things my teachers likely took as a sign of disrespect. It makes me sad to realize that, but if I were to do it over again, I'm not sure what I would do differently.
For instance, in my 11th grade global history class, which was my first class of the day, I sat in the very far back corner. The teacher would turn off the light and teach from notes on an overhead projector.
I'd immediately put my head down and fall asleep. I'd usually wake up when the bell rang at the end of class (though once I didn't, and woke up to an empty classroom *wince*).
That was most likely highly disrespectful, and I'd imagine the teacher noticed and didn't appreciate it. However, I ended up getting a 98% in his class, and was the only student at the school to get every single question correct on the history New York State Regents exam that year. (though my score was not 100%, based on the essays. At that time I was not a very good essay writer.)
I knew the material. Better than any student at the school, in fact. Without listening to the lectures. So I chose to spend that time catching up on some sleep (I had pretty bad insomnia back then), and while I feel bad about that, it's not like I interrupted his ability to teach.
Edit: I just now went and looked at the 2006 global history regents exam, and I'm not surprised I aced it. Pretty simple stuff.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
In seventh grade science class, I read a book instead of paying attention to the teacher with her notes. I did fine on the tests, so I thought it was fine.
Until my mother came to parent teacher conference. Poor mommy. The teacher told her how I had cost the teacher a major bonus because of my reading - the evaluator took that as proof of a lack of classroom management and marked her down. The teacher told my mother with me in the room and said it was my fault. This made me start crying.
I wasn't trying to be disrespectful when I was reading - I was bored out of my mind. I already knew the material. I wasn't talking to anyone else, and I sat in the back. I think making my mother feel responsible was a crummy thing to do.
Posted by vonk (Member # 9027) on :
I've had teachers say things like "We'll have an evaluator in the class tomorrow, so let's all pretend I'm a good teacher." I'm pretty sure they were joking, but we did usually get coaching on how to act while the evaluator was in the classroom.
Posted by divaesefani (Member # 3763) on :
After watching Charlie Brown Thanksgiving in my 3rd grade class, I told my teacher that the guy who fell overboard was my 10th great grandfather. She told me that he was not related to me. She apologized the next day when I brought in a family tree and proved her wrong.
My 8th grade science teacher told the class that there isn't flouride in the water in Utah because Mormons don't believe in flouride.
Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :
Do school nurses count?
Actual convesation:
Female friend of mine went in bothered by severe headache. The nurse was called into the classroom where the girl had such a big headache she was almost in tears.
My friend, "Ever since I got these new glasses, I've been getting headaches."
Nurse, "hmm, could you be pregnant?"
Friend, "What? No. I think its my glasses."
Nurse, "Pregnancy can give you headaches."
Friend, "Well I don't think that's the case here."
Nurse, "Are you sure, when was your last period."
The rest of the class was silent, staring. My friend was bright red, but whether from embarrasment or anger, I couldn't tell.
Posted by Omega M. (Member # 7924) on :
For some reason I always laugh when I think about this because of the whiny, desperate tone of voice of the teacher, even though what he said wasn't stupid.
Teacher puts on an overhead projector a picture of a large number of tiny dots, scattered somewhat less than uniformly. Teacher: "This represents the number of nuclear weapons in the world today." Teacher puts a quarter on the picture so that it covers a small fraction of the dots. Teacher: "This quarter covers the number of nuclear weapons in the world in 1945." Pause. Teacher: "Do you know what that MEANS, people?"
Then we watch a video of those experiments in which people are made to "kill" people with electric shocks.
Posted by Tresopax (Member # 1063) on :
quote:The teacher told her how I had cost the teacher a major bonus because of my reading - the evaluator took that as proof of a lack of classroom management and marked her down.
It sounds like this was not your fault, but rather the evaluator's, for using unfair criteria to judge the teacher.
Then again, I'm not sure how you can judge a teacher, other than by the degree to which students are better off at the end of the year than they were at the beginning. And how happy the students are along the way.
Posted by littlemissattitude (Member # 4514) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dead_Horse: She also wouldn't let me write in normal sized cursive, but insisted that we print on the huge lined paper with the dotted line for the lowercase characters.
Yeah. Been there, done that. When I was in third grade, my teacher wouldn't allow me to write in cursive (which I'd known how to do since kindergarten or first grade) because "we don't teach that until the middle of the year."
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In a community college class one evening, we were treated to a ten-minute screaming tirade from the instructor that included the F-word about every other word because a student walked into class late. Now, I can understand a teacher being upset when someone arrives late to class. However, the student wasn't that late, as the teacher hadn't actually started class yet - he might have been thirty seconds to a minute late. As far as I'm concerned, that was a completely inappropriate reaction.
Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
quote:I could agree with this if the teacher had a choice in the matter, as in university classes. But in k-12 classes, it's not the teacher's fault the state forces you to attend school up to a certain age, and the teacher has only a very limited ability to affect your placement. So if, in your pique at being in a class you consider beneath your abilities, you take it out on the teacher (who also has no choice on whether or not to take or enforce attendance) by showing disrespect, than I really think that's out of line.
Icarus, I was pretty much speaking of my university classes. Most of my high school teachers were excellent and I never even felt the need to do anything else in class. Also, keep in mind that I'm not trying to take anything out on my professors. I'm trying to relieve boredom. I'll admit that I'm annoyed when a teacher does a poor job, but I'm certainly not going to attempt to punish them for it during class (they'll be getting a pretty blunt end-of-the-year evaluation, though). Additionally, keep in mind that it's usually not just me who's bored. The class isn't being taught below my level. It's being taught below everyone's level (for example, the senior biomechanics class that consisted of high school physics with body parts instead of beams and levers).
I hope those of you who are educators don't see this as a rant against all teachers. I have a lot of respect for those who do their job well. I suspect I'd be a lousy teacher, which is why I hope I'll never be a TA--I pity anyone who'd have to be my student! Nonetheless, I am feeling right now like a lot of my time in college has been wasted, and it's very frustrating. I know that some of it's probably curriculum requirements imposed on the professors by the Powers That Be. Still, I'm convinced that there are very few subjects which are inherently boring. I used to enjoy school. Alas, college has done a lot to kill my love of learning.
Posted by TheGrimace (Member # 9178) on :
Not exactly a teacher saying it, but the student health office on campus was renound to asking everyone who came whether or not they were pregnant (no matter what they were there for or what gender they were)
case in point: my best friend Will (a guy) walks in because one of his contacts had slid back behind his eye (or something approximating that feeling) so he just wanted someone to help him with a Q-tip or the like. The person starts asking him the whole barrage of form questions starting with "are you pregnant"
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
You know, Dan, I wish we had known that pregnancy could cause headache. Years ago, I took Christy to the doctor because she had a headache that was so bad that she was seeing stars. The doctor basically shone a light in her eyes for an hour, gave her a MRI, and sent her home with two Advil and a lecture about how she should be trying to destress.
It wasn't until two months later that we learned she was pregnant.
Posted by Jeni (Member # 1454) on :
"Stop trying to understand it and just memorize it."
Posted by vonk (Member # 9027) on :
If we're going to bring in university health centers, then let me tell you about the University of Houston.
My roommate my freshman year went in complaining of excruciating stomach pains. Without much checking they declared that he required an emergency appendectomy and called an ambulance to take him to the nearest hospital. They had him laid out on the operating table, knocked out, about ready to do the operation when the surgeon decided to do a routine check, you know, just to make sure. It turned out he had an ulcer. Insurance paid for the hospital, but my friend still had to pay for the ambulance, about $300.
Another time, one of my friends went in complaining of something or other. They did an x-ray and determined that she had two uteruses (uteri?). Yeah, two. She said "no, no I don't." They said "yes, yes you do." She said, "has this ever happened before?" They said "nope, you're the first ever." She went to another doctor. Turned out they just double exposed the negative.
I have heard countless other stories about that "health" center, of varying degrees of absurdity, but I can't recall them now. The only thing that place was good for was getting a massive supply of codeine cough syrup, which I promise we only used when necessary...
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by Shigosei: I used to enjoy school. Alas, college has done a lot to kill my love of learning.
Sounds like you're at the wrong college. While I did take a number of classes like that, they were in the vast minority -- and primarily classes that fulfilled my breadth requirements.
quote:Originally posted by TheGrimace: Not exactly a teacher saying it, but the student health office on campus was renowned to asking everyone who came whether or not they were pregnant (no matter what they were there for or what gender they were)
Are there college student health centers that DON'T do this? Seriously, every one I know of does.
Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
rivka, I actually wonder if it's a departmental problem. I liked my electrical circuits class, and my biology classes, and my physics class. I'm actually planning to go for a science PhD rather than an engineering PhD because of my experiences. I also won't be staying at ASU. Of course, I wouldn't be staying in the same place anyway, as I've heard that's frowned upon in the sciences. But yeah, I like it here except for my professors.
Also, the health center here doesn't usually ask if I'm pregnant.
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
I don't recall ever being asked if I was pregnant.
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I'm sorry you're having that experience, shig. In my case, it was the opposite. High school was unpelasant and demeaning, and college was the most wonderful educational experience.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
College High Level American History Professor:
"All those people who talk about America being involved in some Iran/Contra affair are just conspiracy mongers who are trying to bring the country down."
I tried to explain that there is more than enough evidence and that the government admitted to it, but that still did not convince him.
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At a Lutheran Private school, my gymnastics instructor informed us that all of our tournaments that year were on sunday. I informed him after class that it was my belief that performing in sports events was not a proper use of the sabbath and that I would be unable to attend. He said that that was fine. I asked him all year to try to hold an event on saturday as it was hard for me to train and see all my friends earning medals and trophies but I could not participate. He said he would do what he could but nothing happened.
End of the year rolled around and he announced the gymnastics team was going to have a pizza party and promptly handed out everyones invitation. I did not receive one and I asked him why after class his response:
"You did not show enough support for the team because you did not attend any tournaments, so you are not invited."
It was just a pizza party I suppose but to my 7 year old self I was crushed. Sometimes I wish I had continued to do gymnastics.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
BlackBlade, did the coach have the choice? At our gym, our coach refuses to hold our meet on Sunday, but we only host one meet. he has no control over when the other meets are scheduled and in fact, we've got several held on Sunday. Usually a younger class like a 7 year old class would likely be on a Sunday, too, because those classes don't have as high enrollment as the other ones, so they hold the bigger classes on Saturdays and put the younger kids on Sunday. That's how it looks to me, anyway.
So, while it doesn't sound fair you weren't invited to the pizza party, your gymnastics instructor may not have had control over when the meets were held and been unable to change them.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by Belle: BlackBlade, did the coach have the choice? At our gym, our coach refuses to hold our meet on Sunday, but we only host one meet. he has no control over when the other meets are scheduled and in fact, we've got several held on Sunday. Usually a younger class like a 7 year old class would likely be on a Sunday, too, because those classes don't have as high enrollment as the other ones, so they hold the bigger classes on Saturdays and put the younger kids on Sunday. That's how it looks to me, anyway.
So, while it doesn't sound fair you weren't invited to the pizza party, your gymnastics instructor may not have had control over when the meets were held and been unable to change them.
I certainly don't hold it against him for being unable to change the meets. But certainly he could empathize his inability to change the dates with my inability to reject my beliefs.
To say nothing of the fact it was a CHRISTIAN private school. You would think sabbath observance wouldnt be an alien idea.
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
quote:Originally posted by rivka:
quote:Originally posted by TheGrimace: Not exactly a teacher saying it, but the student health office on campus was renowned to asking everyone who came whether or not they were pregnant (no matter what they were there for or what gender they were)
Are there college student health centers that DON'T do this? Seriously, every one I know of does.
I had to fight our student health office to get them to give me a pregnancy test.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:But yeah, I like it here except for my professors.
Ouch.
quote:Also, the health center here doesn't usually ask if I'm pregnant.
quote:I had to fight our student health office to get them to give me a pregnancy test.
Ok, so there are some. Good to know. Posted by littlemissattitude (Member # 4514) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: To say nothing of the fact it was a CHRISTIAN private school. You would think sabbath observance wouldnt be an alien idea.
You would think. On the other hand...you would think a lot of things of a Christian school that might not be particularly true. I atteneded a private Christian university for my upper division work. So, one day I was sitting in a class on Christianity and the Non-Christian World, and the professor asked if someone could quote John 3:16 (one of the most basic scriptures for most Christians I've ever known). In a class of about twenty, most of whom professed to be active, believing, practicing Christians, I...the raised-but-not-actively-practicing Christian...was the only one who could recite "For God so loved the world..." That pretty much floored me.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
My daughter attended a ballet school that was part of a large church ministry and even though the ballet school was considered part of the church they held their recital on a Sunday and refused to let one girl, whose father was a pastor and who forbid her to dance at a Sunday recital, to be part of any of the end of the year celebrations.
I certainly didn't agree with the, but like lma, I think you'd be surprised what some Christian schools think is okay.
Posted by Nighthawk (Member # 4176) on :
quote:Originally posted by Icarus: I don't recall ever being asked if I was pregnant.
I have, at Florida International University.
I was also asked by the University of Miami to show "proof of birth." Those were the exact words they used in their request, and "I'm standing here, aren't I?" isn't enough of an answer.
Then again, they very nearly cancelled my classes because I failed to pay my balance due in time: $0.87.
But I digress...
Posted by CaySedai (Member # 6459) on :
vonk: there is such a thing as a double uterus. I worked with a woman who had that - the reason I heard about it was because she was pregnant and the subject came up in conversation.
But, yeah, your friend was misdiagnosed in a big way.
Posted by JennaDean (Member # 8816) on :
quote:So, one day I was sitting in a class on Christianity and the Non-Christian World, and the professor asked if someone could quote John 3:16 (one of the most basic scriptures for most Christians I've ever known). In a class of about twenty, most of whom professed to be active, believing, practicing Christians, I...the raised-but-not-actively-practicing Christian...was the only one who could recite "For God so loved the world..." That pretty much floored me.
Well, I could quote that one just by hearing "John 3:16" - but there aren't many verses I could quote just by hearing the chapter-and-verse reference. If somebody started me off, I could quote them. So in their defense, maybe some of your colleagues knew the verse but didn't know the reference?
(Incidentally, the reason I know the reference is because I asked my parents why I always saw people holding up signs saying "John 3:16" at baseball games. Otherwise I wouldn't know the reference either. I learned the verse, but I didn't necessarily concentrate real hard on what book it was in.)
Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
I agree with Jenna. Knowing the content of the verse is foundational. Knowing it by the referent "John 3:16" is almost more cultural than religious.
Posted by Tresopax (Member # 1063) on :
quote:In a class of about twenty, most of whom professed to be active, believing, practicing Christians, I...the raised-but-not-actively-practicing Christian...was the only one who could recite "For God so loved the world..." That pretty much floored me.
I'm not sure being an active, believing, practicing Christian necessarily involves being able to quote Bible verses. Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
No one said that. But for a class of twenty not to be able to quote the most famous verse in all christianity is telling, I'd say.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
quote:to quote the most famous verse in all christianity
Christianity is really big. Not all countries and types focus on that verse. I'm not surprised - I mean, religous knowledge is a very local method. People learn it the vast majority of time from their families and from local churches. Not everyone focuses on that one verse specifically since there are lots of places that speak of the purpose of Christ.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
If the teacher had lead the class by about 6 words, THEN it would have been a bit more telling.
Its nice to know I was not the only one.
It was kinda wierd to see a sort of movie adaptation of the same problem when I saw Chariots of Fire.
Posted by MyrddinFyre (Member # 2576) on :
I went to years of catechism (CCD) and I had no idea what that line was ('til I Googled it). I don't believe we were taught a single line of the Bible beyond the book of Genesis. We focused more on stories and characters which, while more fun, didn't give me any good sense of what Catholocism was about. Our teachers struggled to explain things like the Holy Spirit in their own words to us kids.
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
It may be the most famous verse in mainline protestantism but not necessarily to all Christians. Catholicism, for instance, focuses much less on chapter and verse memorization--on scripture memorization at all, I'd say. I know the content of that particular verse because I looked it up after seeing it in football games so often, but otherwise I wouldn't. I know very little scripture by heart, and I went to catechism through sixth grade, Jesuit school from 7th to 12th grade, a Dominican university, I was an associate (pre-novice) in the Jesuit order for two years, and I taught catechism. (and I have read the entire Bible.) I am quite sure you could stump me with Bible verses if you really wanted to (that is, if you are one of those people who likes to memorize them; I actually would say that I do know the bible better than the average American agnostic).
Posted by Eaquae Legit (Member # 3063) on :
"Buddhists do not believe the same things Christians believe." -- While technically true, does this really need saying in a second year uni religion class?
"'Salvation' comes from a Greek word meaning 'to be made whole.'" -- This from the same prof, during the same lecture. During the same lecture, I might add, when I had an entire article devoted to medieval Latin word formation and creation, including, you guessed it, the word salvation.
I didn't bother challenging him on the "salvation" issue, seeing as I'd spent the first 20 minutes of class challenging him on his "MLA" citation guide - I double and triple checked, it wasn't MLA (nor APA, nor Chicago, nor any other standard I could find).
Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
quote:"'Salvation' comes from a Greek word meaning 'to be made whole.'" -- This from the same prof, during the same lecture. During the same lecture, I might add, when I had an entire article devoted to medieval Latin word formation and creation, including, you guessed it, the word salvation.
Your teacher was not wrong. The latin "salvare" is a church translation of the greek "soteria".
Posted by JennaDean (Member # 8816) on :
quote:It may be the most famous verse in mainline protestantism but not necessarily to all Christians.
You have a point. I'd bet a lot of Mormons would be more familiar with James 1:5 than with John 3:16.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
I didn't learn John 3:16 until I was 21. I did, however, learn 2 Nephe 25:26 years and years earlier
quote:And we talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we preach of Christ, we prophesy of Christ, and we write according to our prophecies, that our children may know to what source they may look for a remission of their sins.
Posted by aragorn64 (Member # 4204) on :
Chemistry teacher: "The law of conservation of mass and energy states that they can be neither created nor destroyed."
Me: "Um, what about nuclear physics, e=mc^2, and all that stuff? Aren't they technically interchangeable?"
Teacher: "Well you are right, but since those things don't affect us we don't worry about them."
Me: "..."
ALSO:
My English teacher in tenth grade told us, rather vehemently, that mystery/science fiction/fantasy books hold no value. (Yes, I know that's a rather common one.)
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
My chemistry teacher told us that plasma is energy. I think he's watched a few too many episodes of Star Trek.
Posted by aragorn64 (Member # 4204) on :
Well, technically all matter IS energy, to the best of our current knowledge.
But it sounds like that wasn't what you're teacher meant. ^_^
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jon Boy: My chemistry teacher told us that plasma is energy. I think he's watched a few too many episodes of Star Trek.
You're both wrong, its toxic and it must be VENTED! Star Trek discovered that decades ago!
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
quote:Originally posted by aragorn64: My English teacher in tenth grade told us, rather vehemently, that mystery/science fiction/fantasy books hold no value. (Yes, I know that's a rather common one.)
I've told this story here on hatrack a thousand times, but it can stand to be told again.
I read and wrote a paper on Hermann Hesse's The Glass Bead Game for my AP English class. After reading the paper my teacher called me up to have this conversation with her.
My teacher: This book sounds science fictiony, and I really wanted you to choose a book with literary value for this assignment.
Me: I'm so sorry, I thought that since Hesse won the Nobel Prize in Literature for it, it would be alright. I'll try to choose more carefully next time.
My teacher:...
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
In Honors English sophomore year, at the beginning of the year my english teacher said that she didn't think I should be in the class (because the test to get in I barely passed, cause it was about poetry and my class hadn't covered it yet) and said she thought that I should drop it. I got the highest grade in the class by far.
In 8th grade our class had a trip planned to DC and my English teacher called me in and said "I see you signed up to go to Washington" "Yes" "But... who would want to room with you, are you sure you really want to go?" God that pissed me off.
Posted by Brinestone (Member # 5755) on :
I remember a teacher telling me that, unlike humans, rabbits can wiggle their noses without wiggling any other part of their faces. A little while later, I actually watched a rabbit wiggle its nose, and it looked astonishingly like it was just flaring its nostrils repeatedly. Funny, I can do that too.
Posted by johnsonweed (Member # 8114) on :
quote:Originally posted by erosomniac: "You don't have the motivation to succeed, and that's not something you can obtain. You will never be successful."
I think we had the same teacher!!! This guy was my biology teacher in high school and he told me that I did not have the dedication or focus to succeed. I ended up with a PhD in plant genetics so I guess he was wrong.
I have often wondered if he told me that to try and inspire me to work harder, or if he was just a crabby burnt out teacher. He is dead so I'll never know. Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
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Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Originally posted by aragorn64: Chemistry teacher: "The law of conservation of mass and energy states that they can be neither created nor destroyed."
Me: "Um, what about nuclear physics, e=mc^2, and all that stuff? Aren't they technically interchangeable?"
Teacher: "Well you are right, but since those things don't affect us we don't worry about them."
Me: "..."
This was not a silly statement from the teacher. Transformations between matter and energy can effectively be ignored for all processes that occur on this planet.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:Transformations between matter and energy can effectively be ignored for all processes that occur on this planet.
It cannot be ignored in fission and fusion, both of which take place (at times) on this planet.
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
I dual enrolled through highschool, which meant that I took Freshman Comp when I was in 10th grade, or 15 years old. On the first day of class, when the teacher saw that I was in 10th grade, etc, he said, in a very ominous voice, "See me after class". So I went up after class and he said "Do you think you'll be able to handle this class? Because I don't." I responded "We'll see, won't we?". I was the only person to get an A. Heck, I was the only person in the room who had read "The Old Man and the Sea". On the last day of class I went up to him and said "Did I handle it alright?". He looked at me, smiled, and said "You did just fine".
. . .
Yesterday, in French class, we were learning about the words for family members, etc, and the teacher told us to say how Jeb Bush was related to Laura Bush. We all said "brother-in-law" and she kept on saying (in French of course) "No, husbdand. Husband!"
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
My Favorite Teacher Story for Today
quote:(AP)Monroe, NY school officials apologized after an X-rated font was used in a spelling packet handed out to parents last week.The font showed male and female stick figures in provocative poses to form the letters of the alphabet. Parents at Pine Tree Elementray School were give the packet at an open house; many parents and school officials didn't even notice the raunchy letters. Administrators said the teacher did not use the font intentionally.
*giggles*
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head:
quote:Transformations between matter and energy can effectively be ignored for all processes that occur on this planet.
It cannot be ignored in fission and fusion, both of which take place (at times) on this planet.
Even in fission and fusion that amount of matter converted to energy is smaller than can be measured with any common device. As a result it is resonable to assume that matter is conserved for any practical calculation even in fusion and fission reactions. Consider that converting only 1 kg of matter to energy would release 25 billion kWh of energy.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
Quick what would be the raciest word using that font? Or should people be spelling out words when they get down?
Maybe Ill talk to my wife about trying to make it through the word,
"ZAP" and then working our way up to, "Transporation"
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:Even in fission and fusion that amount of matter converted to energy is smaller than can be measured with any common device. As a result it is resonable to assume that matter is conserved for any practical calculation even in fusion and fission reactions. Consider that converting only 1 kg of matter to energy would release 25 billion kWh of energy.
While the matter lost in fission and fusion reactions is negligible, the energy that comes from them is not.
That's where most of the energy in fission and fusion reactions comes from.
If we assume that there is no matter/energy conversion taking place, we have to assume that the energy is coming out of nowhere, which destroys the law of conservation of energy.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
mph, The same thing can be said regarding chemical reactions as well. Any exothermic reaction involves matter to energy conversion but since the reduction in the matter is small enough to be negligible, it is standard practice to separate the energy balance from the material balance by including an energy term for the chemical or nuclear bonds.
This isn't silly, it is the standard way of doing energy and material balances for all processes.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:That's where most of the energy in fission and fusion reactions comes from.
No, that is where all the energy comes from in all exothermic reactions. And while that is unquestionably true, its also nearly irrelevant in all real world cases.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:Any exothermic reaction involves matter to energy conversion
Are you sure about this? I've never heard that before.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
Yes I'm sure.
Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :
Blackblade--Supercalifragi--heartattack.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Can you provide me a link?
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
My understanding is the same as Porteiro's.
Here's what Wikipedia says about nuclear fission, matter, and energy:
quote:The total mass of the fission products (Mp) from a single reaction, after their kinetic energy has been dissipated, is less than the mass of the original fuel nucleus. The excess mass Δm is associated with the released energy which carries it away, according to Einstein's relation E=mc², where the mass is Δm.
I couldn't find any similar statements in the article on exothermic reactions.
Posted by King of Men (Member # 6684) on :
The Rabbit is right. Consider the simplest possible chemical reaction, a proton and an electron recombining to form a hydrogen atom. This reaction will emit a photon. The photon is massless, but carries away some energy; by Einstein, that energy is equivalent to mass, which must come from the electron-proton system.
Now, the other side of that is that the energy involved is on the order of electron volts, while the mass of the electron is half a million electron volts. So the loss of mass is not very noticeable, in fact I'm not sure if it's ever been measured. But it's definitely there.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dan_raven: Blackblade--Supercalifragi--heartattack.
I doubt that word is possible, you'd have to REALLY work for it!
I better stop myself before I take this thread beyond the bounds of what is decent Posted by King of Men (Member # 6684) on :
In fact, I can go my last post one better by looking up the actual numbers. Mass of a proton, in u, is (by the PDG) 1.00727646688. Of an electron, 0.0005485799110. Of a hydrogen atom (careful, you want the isotope with no neutrons, not what periodic tables give for the atomic weight - that's an average) 1.00782503207. Difference between the sum of proton and electron, and the hydrogen atom: 1.4721×10^-8 u. Which works out to 13.7 eV. So I was wrong, the difference has been measured. For those of you not familiar with these kinds of units, 13.7 eV is 2.44447926×10^-35 kg. As a general rule, I'd call that pretty negligible, even when working with moles of the stuff.
Posted by Uindy (Member # 9743) on :
The freshman english class in my old high school all ways reads Romeo and Juliet.My teacher took it upon herself to say that my class wan't able to read Shakespeare. She told me that my sister and I could read and under stand it all right, but no one else could. So the class my sister and me included read revised english translations of Shakespear. I still have not goton over the injustice.
Posted by Uindy (Member # 9743) on :
The freshman english class in my old high school all ways reads Romeo and Juliet.My teacher took it upon herself to say that my class wan't able to read Shakespeare. She told me that my sister and I could read and under stand it all right, but no one else could. So the class my sister and me included read revised english translations of Shakespear. I still have not goton over the injustice.
Posted by Hamson (Member # 7808) on :
This doesn't quite go with this topic, since this is something funny that a teacher's said, but I'll stick it in here.
APEuro Teacher: Ohio is a dirty place. Only in Ohio can a river catch on fire
APEuro Teacher: The two most popular pick up lines during the time of the Black Death: -Hey baby, got plague? And -I'll show you mine if you show me yours.
More later?
Posted by Adam_S (Member # 9695) on :
"If you keep reading ahead you're going to have to stand up at your desk until you stop and follow along."
Fourth grade, we were group reading a mystery, which meant one person read aloud two-four pages and then it bounced to the next random person. If you weren't able to start reading right away if the teacher called on you, you had to stand up with your book and follow along silently and you could sit down when she next called on you and you were at the right position. Really embarassing, but eventually I was standing alot and it didn't bother me until I finished the book and went back two thirds of the book to procede at the glacial pace.
back from page one Dan_Raven said:
quote:7th Grade Science Teacher-- Cholesterol really isn't that bad for you.
Actually your science teacher wasn't silly, he was right. It's in every single cell in your body for a very good reason. Last I checked cholesterol keeps cell membranes intact, boosts mental performance, aids digestion, builds strong bones and muscle, regulates blood sugar, maintains energy, vitality, libido and fertility, repairs damaged tissue and protects against infectious disease. There's a couple dozen important hormones and steroids created during its synthesis as well. 7 dyhyrocholesterol is the precursor to vitamin D. And so on and so forth. It's one of the most important elements of your diet, not the most dangerous.
That's why your body produces four times the amount of cholesterol you can eat. it synthesizes more cholesterol when you have less of it in your diet and less cholesterol when you have more in your diet. That is why even the most strict, perfect diet cannot lower bloor serum levels more than a few percent.
high cholesterol is not dangerous, rather it either indicates another unhealthy condition--thus it acts a smoke alarm--or it may be totally innocuous. cholesterol lowering drugs--the only way to disrupt your bodies homeostatis and lower serum cholesterol levels--are like pulling the batteries out of your smoke alarm because it keeps beeping.
On the whole, your science teacher was right, Cholesterol is not that bad.
The myth that cholesterol-in-diet causes heart disease was started with experiments on herbivores (not omnivores) that lack all the digestive enzymes to process cholesterol. Most died of heart disease because the fat they couldn't excrete was layered in plaques around their arteries. Ancel Keyes (who did the herbivore (rabbit) experiments made the hypothesis that diets high in saturated fat and cholesterol causes heart disease in humans. Keyes gathered data on the % of saturated fat in diet (saturated fat being high in cholesterol) for 22 countries, and compared the data to the mortality from heart disease in those countries. He rejected the data from 16 countries because they all clearly refuted his hypothesis (we have access to all the data now, in his papers). When he published, his study only included data from 6 countries, and showed a direct correlation between high saturated fat diets and high mortality from heart disease. Had he bothered to include countries like Mexico and Finland, his hypothesis would have been shot to hell. They had the same percentage of saturated fat, 30, but the lowest and highest mortality rates from heart disease, respectively, of the 22 data points gathered.
Keyes' study caused the massive Framingham study to be performed. This is the most often cited study in cholesterol research, and the cornerstone of the high-cholesterol equals high heart disease risk. Within the text of the published study, was the conclusion that for every 1 mg/dl reduction in blood cholesterol there was an 11% INCREASE in heart disease mortality. Framingham did find that those with the rare pre-existing genetic condition called hypercholesterolemia had around a two percent increase in heart disease mortality for every mg/dl increase in serum cholesterol (iirc, they also only got this 02% conclusion by only including hypercholesterolemia subjects who had suffered or died from heart disease, excluding all the healthy people with the genetic condition from the data and conclusion, but I could misremember that). The latter finding was included in the abstract and is quoted in virtually every study or media coverage that addresses cholesterol research. The former finding--the one that applies to the general population--is never mentioned.
I had to research all this to get my only surviving grandparent off those damned deadly statins. She asked me to look into it because she'd seen too many very healthy friends and acquaintances transform from vibrant beings into sickly, frail and dying creatures when they went on Lipitor.
Posted by mistaben (Member # 8721) on :
Ahem.
The point about mass/energy is that neither is globally conserved on its own. Though it's hardly obvious, the interchangeability (?!) of the two is very well understood (and measured) in pretty much every branch of physics: nuclear physics, atomic physics, general relativity, the Standard Model of particle physics, vacuum fluctuations, collider experiments, the Standard Solar Model, neutrinos, the Higgs mechanism, ad infinitum.
Posted by Queen Mab (Member # 9218) on :
8th grade Spanish Teacher: "I have a gun in my car. If someone comes into the school break the window open and I'll run out and get it."
8th grade U.S. History Teacher: "Don't tell me how to pronounce your name. You shouldn't care about things like that. People mispronounce my name all the time, I never correct them." I got this lecture for fiveteen minutes. Best waste of class time ever.
My seventh grade teacher and I had a running argument about which was better: Lord of the Rings or Master and Commander. I won.
Posted by Stephan (Member # 7549) on :
This teacher kept trying to tell me the first flight took place in Kitty Hawk. I kept telling her it was Kill Devil Hills, she finally believed me when I brought a map in from home.
Posted by Anshi (Member # 9643) on :
In 11th grade physics one day...
Me: "Would you clarify this theory for me?"
Physics Teacher: "Hmm...(reads it over)...I'm not sure myself. You should ask Eric."
Me: (Blinks)"...sure. I'll go do that."
Afterwhich, I got clarification from the aforementioned Eric, my fellow classmate. I probably should have done that in the first place, it being the norm. Within a day or two of the class starting, we could all tell the teacher didn't have a degree in physics and even though neither did Eric, the student knew more than the teacher. But the guy was a nice person and easy going, so no one in class wanted to mention it for fear of embarrassing him or costing him his job. (Though we speculated on how he got the position in the first place.) After that time, we just read the book, did the work, and asked each other for help when needed.
But then again, this was the same teacher that allowed me to nap on top of a lab table while he showed a film in class one day.
[ October 06, 2006, 10:17 PM: Message edited by: Anshi ]
Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
My second grade teacher told us that "brang" was the proper past-tense form of "bring."
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by Shigosei: My second grade teacher told us that "brang" was the proper past-tense form of "bring."
If only you had responded with, "I'm glad you teached me that" then waited for the response.
Your teacher was probably teaching 2nd grade for a reason Corrupt the peoples grammar while they are children, mess up the foundation.
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