The 40th anniversary got me thinking about my favorite TOS episodes.
It also got me thinking about the absolute turkeys.
Is there anyone who really likes "The Omega Glory"? Even the most devoted fans usually admit that this is one plot Gene should have buried.
"Yet another exact duplicate of 20th century Earth, only the Americans are like Indians and the Communists have taken over and here's Old Glory! Wowie zowie!"
Worst of all, it's just not much fun to watch. So fixated on making sure we get Gene's MESSAGE that there's little in the way of fun cheese.
What ST: TOS episodes do you normally skip?
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Here's one Posted by The Pixiest (Member # 1863) on :
"Brain Brain What is Brain?!?" .... Definately the worst...
I like the Yangs and the Coms one...
Posted by MightyCow (Member # 9253) on :
Those words don't even mean anything together.
That's like asking what's the squarest circle you've ever seen.
Posted by IanO (Member # 186) on :
The 'rock monster' was so cheap. You could see the felt flip up around the edges of the afghan blanket that had draped over whoever was crawling around on the ground.
Spock melds with the rock monster from a distance.
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
Um....pretty much anything from season 1 of The Next Generation or the entirety of Voyager...
Posted by The Pixiest (Member # 1863) on :
I really liked the rock monster when I was little too...
Posted by 0Megabyte (Member # 8624) on :
Yeah, TNG season one was... not very good.
Though I find that the good stuff, which I once thought very good and interesting and so forth, now falls a little flat to the Polysci major within me.
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
I liked Season 1 of TNG! And I thought DS9 got worse after like...the 4th season or so.
And Riker is way better without the grizzly beard.
-pH
Posted by IanO (Member # 186) on :
The worst TNG episode was the Nancy Reagan-style, 'just say no' episode Symbiosis
particularly painful was Tasha explaining to Wesley why some people do drugs. I expected a "The more you know..." image to flash across the screen.
Posted by Palliard (Member # 8109) on :
Spock's Brain. Worst... episode... ever.
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
Before I clicked the link, Ian, I thought you were talking about that episode with that weird game with the flying discs and weird...Dr. Seuss looking chute things. The one that zaps you in the eyes.
Stupid lucky Wesley...
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
I agree with IanO.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
I agree with mph, Pix, and Palliard.
However, Riker's beard was awesome, and the Horta is marvelous. (Leaving aside the depth of emotion Shatner displayed in that episode, probably due to the fact that his dad died during its filming.)
Posted by Mucus (Member # 9735) on :
I'm surprised no one has brought up the obvious crowd favorite (un-favorite?). "Threshold" from Voyager, where they break warp 10, evolve to becoming salamanders, make babies, and then get "fixed" to becoming human again in the last five minutes. Seriously.
Posted by MyrddinFyre (Member # 2576) on :
Mmmm, grizzly Riker.
That is all.
Posted by signal (Member # 6828) on :
Wasn't there one where they get attacked by dust bunnies?
Posted by Shawshank (Member # 8453) on :
I liked Voyager most out of all the ST series. I never saw DS9 though- and I couldn't stand to watch a single episode of TOS.
Posted by MyrddinFyre (Member # 2576) on :
Blasphemy.
Posted by Alcon (Member # 6645) on :
What "The Trouble with Tribbles"? That episodes kinda fun. Amusing and silly.
Funny stuff right there. A couple swears though.
Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
Thanks for the link to that review.
My vote for "worst" TNG episode would be the one where Riker fell in love with a genderless alien.
Talk about the clumsiest, most ham-fisted way possible to deal with alternative sexuality.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mucus: I'm surprised no one has brought up the obvious crowd favorite (un-favorite?). "Threshold" from Voyager, where they break warp 10, evolve to becoming salamanders, make babies, and then get "fixed" to becoming human again in the last five minutes. Seriously.
We don't talk about that episode.
Posted by hugh57 (Member # 5527) on :
The Way To Eden - the one with the space hippies (TOS). Even worse than Spock's Brain.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
That episode of TNG where Doctor Polaski has to save Riker's life by stimulating Bad and Good memories. Its basically the only really, really shameful clips episode the series ever did. Pathetic.
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
quote:she heads out into the ship to whore it up.
I have only a vague recollection of this episode. Clearly, I must watch it again.
-pH
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:Originally posted by Orincoro: That episode of TNG where Doctor Polaski has to save Riker's life by stimulating Bad and Good memories. Its basically the only really, really shameful clips episode the series ever did. Pathetic.
Good choice.
What's even worse, is that they did it in the second season, so they didn't have that many clips to choose from.
Posted by IanO (Member # 186) on :
You know, I like Will Wheaton. He's a funny guy who's always seemed down to earth about the whole 'we hate wesley' thing.
Spot on on that review.
Funny, Spock's Brain was just on this morning. It was bad. Kirk violates the prime directive again by forcing those humanoids to completely alter their society after of 1000's of years of complete mental lethargy, with a big pep-talk and a promise to stay around and help.
But is was no more dumb than the remarkably stupid Landru episode Return of the Archons. 'Oh no! It's 6 O'Clock. Party time.' <destroy everything in sight> Next day, everything is fixed and clean and the people are just as repressed as ever. And why does computer Landru do all this? ? ? ? ? ? Seriously, I have no idea. I don't think they got that far. Except that Kirk once again violates the Prime Directive (not that I think it was actually conceived of on the show, but with retcon, we still must consider it) and destroys that societies functioning (however loosely) ruling body.
Way to go, Kirk.
Posted by IanO (Member # 186) on :
BTW, found this little comment by Wil Wheaton here about his episode with Ashley Judd:
quote:Actually, I never dated Ashley Judd, but my character Wesley did. It's a common mistake.
About that episode: I remember that everyone was making a big deal about her and her family, and she could really feel the weight of that, so I just tried to make her feel at ease, as best as I could.
I really liked her, and she was really sweet and friendly, but we didn't get to spend much time getting to know each other off the set, because there were always cameras and crap following her around.
I was her first on-screen kiss, and this was one of her first acting jobs, so rather than it being one of those "dude, we're totally making out" moments, it was pretty mechanical and self-conscious on both our parts. Of course, it didn't help that the director wouldn't stop talking during the entire scene, telling us how we were supposed to feel, and how hot it was. Actually, it was kinda creepy that he kept doing that.
So, over the years, much has been made of this moment, but it wasn't exactly the hottest thing in the world. . . maybe I can convince her to meet me somewhere for a private reshoot, someday.
Shut up. It could happen.
Posted by sarfa (Member # 579) on :
I can't remember the name of the episode, but the worst one has to be where the guy in red dies and Kirk gets the girl... Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
I think you're confused. That never happened.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
I think in DS9 that changed to the blue shirted science officer. Or in Voyager it was usually a gold shirt that got it, but they could hardly spare too many of them.
Posted by Shepherd (Member # 7380) on :
TNG anybody from the security team was doomed.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
Ah, that's right, it was always Let. Yarr, Warf, and a Dead Man walking.
Posted by Swampjedi (Member # 7374) on :
Well, until Yar played the part of DMW.
Posted by Nighthawk (Member # 4176) on :
quote:Originally posted by Orincoro: I think in DS9 that changed to the blue shirted science officer. Or in Voyager it was usually a gold shirt that got it, but they could hardly spare too many of them.
Whether they can "spare too many of them" didn't really matter; Voyager probably replicated personnel the same way they replicated shuttlecraft. Didn't they seriously damage or lose one like every two weeks?
And I'm impressed at how many of you know episodes by name.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
I don't know if "impressed" would be the right word.
Posted by Nighthawk (Member # 4176) on :
Hey, I'm trying to be nice here. Humor me. Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
"Genesis", the one where the entire crew "devolved" was really stupid. Let's see. Spot devolved into an iguana, Barlkley into a spider, Picard into a lemur, Riker into some sort of neanderthal, Troi into a salamander, Worf into godzilla....
I also disliked "Sub-Rosa", where Beverly inherits a family heirloom haunting.
"Lower Decks" which focused on all of the junior officers was lame, because it brought in all these young characters of just one episode, and then effectively drops them.
"A Fistful of Datas", the one where Data's subconscious takes over the holodeck where Whorf is playing cowboys with is son, was horrible, just horrible. They should have let Spiner quit instead.
But the one I dislike the most is "The Chase". This is because it was such a good episode through most of it. It was interesting and exciting. Then they get to the end and find the answer, and retroactively made everything cool in that episode suck.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
I Though that was "The Ensigns of Command" with the lame secondary officers
Posted by Ryuko (Member # 5125) on :
I was so confused at Barkley devolving into a spider. How could that happen?
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Sub Rosa made me want to claw my eyes out.
Actually, it still does.
*claws eyes out*
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Hmm. I seem to recall you had a better reaction than self-mutilation.
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
I always hated the Mudd episodes.
Posted by Primal Curve (Member # 3587) on :
I'd like to nominate any episode where Alexander played a part. It's like the casting people couldn't find a decent actor to save their life. They were all a bunch of whiney bitches and I wanted to punch them all in the mouth.
Posted by IanO (Member # 186) on :
Porter's list is absolutely correct. In fact, it allows for the following generalizations (and please be aware that my geeky Trek knowledge comes from the fact that I have recently been on a Trek marathon binge over the last few weeks. Just completed my collection on DVD of TNG, TOS, and VOY).
1) Episodes that involve a device to place the characters in an historical setting (either through the holodeck in the old west and Dixon Hill; an alien planet set to look like an Earth from the past, as in "The Royale" or "A Piece of the Action") are, for the most part incredibly lame. Oh, they might seem interesting when they first come out. But invariably, once they are initially viewed and the novelty of seeing Kirk act like a 20's gangster or Data (was Brent Spiner ever a subtle actor when he wasn't playing Data?) as a million western characters, the thin-ness of the plot and lameness of the contrived situation comes through.
Now, there are exceptions. For example, in Season 6, TNG took the ho-hum episode "Elementary, Dear Data", where Moriarty becomes a sentient character, and they brought him back in Ship in a Bottle, which was, IMO, really quite interesting. Salvaged the original episode, despite the extremely heavy handed 'what is humanity' conversation that always came up between boring Dr. Polaski and Data/Geordi. There are others that I, no doubt, am forgetting.
2) Episodes where the 'reveal' of the problem takes almost the whole hour so that either it's gonna be a two-parter (in which case, cool- it's a good episode) or it's gonna wrap in 5 minutes, which is supremely lame. Take, for example, the above mentioned "The Chase". As Porter said, brilliant premise and idea. But the hunting down of the puzzle took so long that the resolution was quick, and poorly executed. It went from potentially great to a huge letdown. Again, another example cited above was "Genesis", the de-evolution episode. In fact, I remember the first time I saw it (because by then I had noticed this pattern) I looked at the clock at 45 after and realized that this was gonna be either a two-parter or a 5 minute plot resolve. And given the subject matter (quite simplistic with not much depth to it), I knew it'd be the latter. So when Data quickly whips up some 're-evolving' serum I rolled my eyes and laughed.
Contrast how those 'puzzles' developed and were then resolved in "The Game" (mentioned above). The pacing was perfect so that the resolution was NOT out of the blue. Wesley and Loeffler pieced the mystery together and began implementing a plan to fix things. The ending was, while not expected, still fully in harmony with what we had seen. Or in "Conundrum" (mass amnesia strikes the crew as they are commanded to destroy an enemy far weaker than they are.) Now, all plot inconsistancies aside (like how this race of people could have come up with their plan so quickly from the moment the Enterprise found their ship, to how powerful their technology MUST have been to block or erase information about who everybody was and what their mission was) the pacing was really good. The mystery unfolded, but already the seeds of resolution were planted early on.
There are, no doubt, other rules. I'll think of them later. Or you can.
Posted by Baron Samedi (Member # 9175) on :
I've always felt that, from TNG on, the quality of an episode was inversely proportional to the frequency of use of the word "subspace."
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:was Brent Spiner ever a subtle actor when he wasn't playing Data?
No. He's actually a pretty crappy actor. But boy, he sure was great as Data. May we all be so luck to fund the role that we were born to play.
---------- "Frame of Mind" had the potential to be a superb episode, if only it didn't depend so much on the acting skils of Jonathon Frakes. Even still, it's pretty darn good.
quote:I Though that was "The Ensigns of Command" with the lame secondary officers
Nope. "Ensigns of Command" is the one where Data has to convince a colony to re-locate before the Big Bad Aliens That We Never Saw Before And Will Never See Again come and wipe them out.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:I've always felt that, from TNG on, the quality of an episode was inversely proportional to the frequency of use of the word "subspace."
:lol:
That sounds like a pretty good rule of thumb. One exception to it is "Schisms", where Riker, Jeordi, Whorf, and some generic crew members get abduced in their sleep and experimented on.
I'm of the opinion that if we got rid of the holodeck, the franchise would have been much better. A lot of real stinkers would have been lost, and not much that's great would have been lost.
I'm kinda torn about time travel. There sure were a lot of stinkers, including the series finale of Voyager, much of Enterprise, and some really embarassing stuff in DS9. But there have been some real gems as well, such as "Cause and Effect" (where the crew is living the same day over and over, and the number 3 keeps popping up) and "City on the Edge of Forever" (where Kirk goes back to the 1940s and learns that if he lets his honey live, the Nazis win WWII. Of course, Kirk should be used to disposable honeys by now, but it stil...)
Oh, and movie #4, which everybody but me seems to love.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head:
quote:was Brent Spiner ever a subtle actor when he wasn't playing Data?
No. He's actually a pretty crappy actor.
I've seen him in a few (small) roles I liked. The one from Phenomenon comes to mind.
Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :
He outperformed Martin Short in Master of Disguise, but then again, who didn't.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
It's spelled Pulaski.
Geordi.
Worf.
(Sorry, it was driving me up the wall. I tried to restrain myself, I really really did. Promise.)
rivka, that should only have proven to you how much I disliked the actual episode. shhh.
The seventh season was odd...I mean, during that season, everyone had some previously unknown relative pop out of the woodwork.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:He outperformed Martin Short in Master of Disguise, but then again, who didn't.
Dan Carvey?
Posted by IanO (Member # 186) on :
The seventh season really was weird. I mean, you had a few great episodes, like "Preemptive Strike" (Ro leaves to join the Maquis) and "Lower Decks" (even though this was dropped later on- though admittedly, it was the last season and thus not much else to do) and "Inheritance" (Noonien Singh's wife, Data's 'mom'), as well as the ok "Dark Page" (Lwaxana's mental breakdown), "Parallels" (Parallel Universes) and "Journey's End" (Wesley leaves for higher dimensions- captured Wesley's weariness with Starfleet really well). But for the last season, there was also a bunch of crap: "Interface"- Geordi thinks he sees his mom on a planet "The Gambit 1&2"- meaningless two-parter. I mean, what was the point? "Sub Rosa" (mentioned above- Beverly's haunting) "Emergence"- wow, the Enterprise becomes a life-form and gives birth.
It is true, though, that the 7th season sure did have a lot of relatives popping up.
I had another rule, but it escapes me now. Let me see if I can remember....No, it's gone. But my biggest pet-peeve was the lack of continuity. "The Inner Light" (Season 5) should have changed Picard forever, with his living an entire life-time in the space of 25 minutes. He should have been a radically changed man as only decades of life and fatherhood (and later grandfatherhood) could have effected. But it was only referred to once in all the episodes after that ("Lessons", and it was a throwaway reference at that.
re: TOS. I Love "City on the Edge of Forever", as well as the original Khan episode "Space Seed", not to mention the Organian episode "Errand of Mercy", "Requiem for Methuselah" about an immortal from Earth, Gary 7's "Assignment Earth" and the Nazi-world "PAtterns of Force". "The Cage" (the Menagerie) was actually quite good, too.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:But my biggest pet-peeve was the lack of continuity. "The Inner Light" (Season 5) should have changed Picard forever, with his living an entire life-time in the space of 25 minutes. He should have been a radically changed man as only decades of life and fatherhood (and later grandfatherhood) could have effected. But it was only referred to once in all the episodes after that ("Lessons", and it was a throwaway reference at that.
This bothered me too. In "Second Chances", where Riker finds a duplicate Riker, he's perfectly fine with it. But four seasons ago in "Up The Long Ladder", Riker went on and on about how he would be diminished in ways he can't even imagine if there were other Rikers walking around.
I didn't realize how much this bothered me until I watched Buffy. I remember once near the end of the show Xander said to Willow "let's see how you handle having an evil twin". She responded with "I handled it just fine" because that did happen about five seasons ago.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
Well, thanks to this thread I've added TOS to my Netflix queue.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Posted by IanO (Member # 186) on :
Yeah, forgot about "Up the Long LAdder". Of course, that is forgivable. Stereotypical Irish colony. I expected "Lucky" to pop up at any moment and then to hear "Frosted Lucky Charms. They'e magically delicious!" Actually, that would have been an improvement.
But I will say, I love "Second Chances." I had just finished reading Imzadi when I saw it. It dovetailed so nicely and I felt the Deanna/Will spark. It was really good. Too bad Thomas never showed up after that (except for a DS9 episode).
And, of course, it showed how the transported could literally do anything the writers wanted and yet still could fail if a strong wind was blowing on a planet's surface (or when floosenbabble particles were more than 5.2 parts per million, or when a johnson field formed spontaneously when Wesley combined his nanobots with Worf's prune juice- "hey, you got nanobots in my prune juice!" "You got prune juice on my nanobots!") when the plot required it.
Ah, Star Trek, gotta love it.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
I agree -- "Second Chances" was great. But it still suffered from not being consisitent with the previous time when Riker faced a similar situation.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by mackillian: rivka, that should only have proven to you how much I disliked the actual episode. shhh.
Oh, it does. Why are you shushing me?
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
I thought "Gambit" was a pretty decent two-parter. It certainly had its moments.
Like in the beginning, when Beverly's holding a phaser to the alien's head and Riker points to her and says: "This is my sister. She's angry. She has a vicious temper. I wouldn't cross her."
And I'm sorry, rivka. I have no idea what the hell you're talking about.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
The Voyager episode where Kes goes supernova has got to be the worst episode ever.
[ September 18, 2006, 04:22 PM: Message edited by: The Rabbit ]
Posted by IanO (Member # 186) on :
Who's Kil? Do you mean Kes, when she had to leave the ship?
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by mackillian: And I'm sorry, rivka. I have no idea what the hell you're talking about.
Just keeeep pushin'. You think I won't do it, but I will.
Remember, I'm evil. And love it. Posted by The Pixiest (Member # 1863) on :
quote: I didn't realize how much this bothered me until I watched Buffy. I remember once near the end of the show Xander said to Willow "let's see how you handle having an evil twin". She responded with "I handled it just fine" because that did happen about five seasons ago.
Ah, but that was part of the beauty of Buffy. The writers actually remembered what happened for and referenced it reasonably often. It was a great reward for the fans who would think "Oh yeah! I remember that!" and smile.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:Ah, but that was part of the beauty of Buffy. The writers actually remembered what happened for and referenced it reasonably often. It was a great reward for the fans who would think "Oh yeah! I remember that!" and smile.
*a moment of silence for Firefly*
Posted by The Pixiest (Member # 1863) on :
Yeah.. we'll never have a moment in the 7th season of Firefly where Jayne gets in trouble for killin' a guy and he'll say "What like, you've never kicked someone into an engine?"
Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :
and B5
Posted by The Pixiest (Member # 1863) on :
Yeah.. we'll never have a moment in the 7th season of Firefly where Jayne gets in trouble for killin' a guy and he'll say "What like, you've never kicked someone into an engine?"
Posted by The Pixiest (Member # 1863) on :
Yeah.. we'll never have a moment in the 7th season of Firefly where Jayne gets in trouble for killin' a guy and he'll say "What like, you've never kicked someone into an engine?"
Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :
and B5.
I hated the ending rash of time travel episodes in season 7. Each time they went into the future, Warf's future was entirely different. Why? Because. I don't know. He's on Third. Triple play.
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
I really liked all the alternate universe DS9's with Dominatrix Karate Chop Action Kira(tm).
-pH
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
I really liked all the alternate universe DS9's with Dominatrix Karate Chop Action Kira(tm).
-pH
Posted by IanO (Member # 186) on :
I hate the Mirror Universe. I can't take any of it seriously for the simple fact that if people were different they would not have married and/or had sex with the other parent of so-and-so at the exact same time so that unique mixing of genetic material became Kirk, etc, would have happened. Let alone repeatedly through each generation, so that there was a mirror Zefram Cochrane, Archer, Kirk, Spock (would an anti-Sarek have mated with an anti-Amanda?), Picard, Kira, Ezri, Sisco.
Was fun on it's first viewing in TOS, I thought. And perhaps was plausible as a single stand alone episode, despite what I said. But extending it forward and backward in the trek timeline (in Enterprise and DS9) was just ludicrous and stretched what limited believability into outright laughable.
Posted by Will B (Member # 7931) on :
For sheer dullness, to me, it's Star Trek: the Motion Picture.
For I-can't-believe-I'm-watching this, The Menagerie.
For sheer implausibility, Bread and Circuses. A planet had its Roman Empire last (every world has a Roman Empire?), so that modern brand names for cars are things like "Jupiter" and "Juno" -- the English words. The Yangs and Coms thing, too, for recreating the exact wording of the Constitution by random chance.
Worst TNG: Who Watches the Watchers?
Worst DS9: The Storyteller
Worst Voyager: the one where Janeway arranges with the holographic da Vinci to make a flying machine in the real world
Posted by docmagik (Member # 1131) on :
I don't feel qualified to speak up in this thread, but I'm going to make two comments.
First, Ship in a Bottle was a great episode.
Second, I mostly gave up on Trek somewhere along the way of TNG. It seemed like every episode got to a point where things were really, really bad and then Jordi (or Data, or somebody) would say, "Captain, I think if we just accentuate the Robitusson Field, the Calligraphy will exedrinate, and we just might get out of this."
And Picard would say, "Make it so," and they'd push some panels with buttons painted on them and, sure enough, the calligraphy would exedrinate, and they'd all breathe a huge sigh of relief.
Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
Every time that Picard said "Fire at will," I was always kind of hoping that someone would pull out his phaser and shoot Will Riker.
Annoying little so-and-so.
Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
But one thing I did learn from the series was that if something isn't working right, it is almost always a good idea to reverse polarity on the fields. And, you know, divert main power to whatever needs power at the moment.
Anyway, that's how I changed my flat tire last month.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:Originally posted by Tante Shvester: Every time that Picard said "Fire at will," I was always kind of hoping that someone would pull out his phaser and shoot Will Riker.
I thought I was the only one. :wub:
Posted by MyrddinFyre (Member # 2576) on :
Hahaha.
When my brother and I were little, we would always get a good giggle out of "fire at will." We thought that it couldn't possibly have ever passed their minds that that was Will Riker's name. It was hilarious to us.
Yeah, we wanted to see that happen, too. If only for comedic value.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head:
quote:Originally posted by Tante Shvester: Every time that Picard said "Fire at will," I was always kind of hoping that someone would pull out his phaser and shoot Will Riker.
I thought I was the only one. :wub:
This would be one of those times that we do not agree.
I outgrew my crush on Wil for a crush on Will. Posted by MyrddinFyre (Member # 2576) on :
I totally had a crush on him. But only with the beard, without it he looked kinda skeevy (strangely enough).
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Agreed. But I have always preferred men with beards than without.
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
I had a crush on Data.
Then I had a crush on Tom Paris in Voyager.
They're so not the same.
-pH
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
quote:Originally posted by Tante Shvester: But one thing I did learn from the series was that if something isn't working right, it is almost always a good idea to reverse polarity on the fields. And, you know, divert main power to whatever needs power at the moment.
Anyway, that's how I changed my flat tire last month.
Really? My engine wouldn't start, so I modified my car's main deflector dish. Always works like a charm!
Posted by Jayelle (Member # 9745) on :
Wow, I can't believe no one mentioned the TNG episode "Justice". Wesley goes on trail for breaking a law on the skankiest planet ever. The costumes and the poodle hair are just... the worst thing I've ever seen.
My husband and I have joked that it's so bad it's good, then it's bad again, then it's good again.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
My crush was on Beverly, strangely enough.
Posted by Nighthawk (Member # 4176) on :
quote:Originally posted by BandoCommando:
quote:Originally posted by Tante Shvester: But one thing I did learn from the series was that if something isn't working right, it is almost always a good idea to reverse polarity on the fields. And, you know, divert main power to whatever needs power at the moment.
Anyway, that's how I changed my flat tire last month.
Really? My engine wouldn't start, so I modified my car's main deflector dish. Always works like a charm!
It always pisses my wife off when, while she's driving down the expressway going 90 MPH, I deem it necessary to eject the core.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
I'm with Starfleet! We don't lie!
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
SEPARATE THE SAUCER SECTION!
-pH
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:Originally posted by mackillian: I'm with Starfleet! We don't lie!
Not only do you not lie, but you'll let a perfectly good tactical maneuver be used by only your enemies because you're too good for submarin^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H cloaking devices.
Posted by MyrddinFyre (Member # 2576) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jayelle: Wow, I can't believe no one mentioned the TNG episode "Justice". Wesley goes on trail for breaking a law on the skankiest planet ever. The costumes and the poodle hair are just... the worst thing I've ever seen.
My husband and I have joked that it's so bad it's good, then it's bad again, then it's good again.
Even though it was pretty dumb, I kind of enjoyed that one because I like when you get to see Jean-Luc and Beverly's friendship. I like seeing the crewmates act like normal humans.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by MyrddinFyre:
quote:Originally posted by Jayelle: Wow, I can't believe no one mentioned the TNG episode "Justice". Wesley goes on trail for breaking a law on the skankiest planet ever. The costumes and the poodle hair are just... the worst thing I've ever seen.
My husband and I have joked that it's so bad it's good, then it's bad again, then it's good again.
Even though it was pretty dumb, I kind of enjoyed that one because I like when you get to see Jean-Luc and Beverly's friendship. I like seeing the crewmates act like normal humans.
You mean when she gets down on hers knees and begs? (Ok, so she didn't QUITE do that.) And this sets a pattern that will be repeated six or so other times ("When the Bough Breaks" comes to mind), of her completely losing every shred of professionalism and rationality because OMG her son, her precious, darling son!!!
Don't get me wrong. I like Beverly. But scenes like that just made me want to slap her!
Posted by Q (Member # 3733) on :
quote:Originally posted by Puffy Treat: What ST: TOS episodes do you normally skip?
All of them, of course. The only ones I do watch are the ones that feature yours truly.
Posted by MyrddinFyre (Member # 2576) on :
rivka, more like when when Picard starts trying to break rules and sacrificing his career to help, haha. But I do also like when Beverly gets to order him around.
Posted by Primal Curve (Member # 3587) on :
Don't rip on the William T. There is no man in the galaxy who's better at walking jaw-first.
Posted by The Pixiest (Member # 1863) on :
My crush was on Ensign Ro.....
Posted by IanO (Member # 186) on :
Me too, even though she walked like a dude. I liked her fiery spirit. And very cute.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Pixiest: My crush was on Ensign Ro.....
My crush is on Admiral Cain.
She still scares me.
Posted by IanO (Member # 186) on :
Who was she? From the "Drumhead"? Not Necheyev, right?
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
She's a character in Battlestar Galactica, and is played by the same actress that plays Ensign Ro.
Posted by IanO (Member # 186) on :
Ahh, got it. Little in joke, there.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Yes. She's also now on Prison Break and I keep yelling out things like, "Of COURSE you'd say that! You're Admiral Cain!"
I like Ro. Did not like Cain.
Posted by IanO (Member # 186) on :
Of course, she also took George's thank you from Elaine for handing her the big salad.
"What I'd like to know is where someone gets off accepting a thank you for someone else."
"George, I just handed someone a bag."
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
How do you people remember the names of all these episodes? Why do I even say remember, I never knew the names of episodes in the first place?
Please tell me you are googling these and that you really do have something better to do with your minds than store the names of old Star Trek episodes.
Posted by IanO (Member # 186) on :
Startrek.com. Watching Star Trek on DVD I've had to see which episode I wanted to watch (not all of them, by any means), which means finding the name to an episode I remember (or have never seen). Brief summaries online work in a snap.
But some episodes are infamously named, like "Spocks Brain".
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
quote:Originally posted by mackillian: Yes. She's also now on Prison Break and I keep yelling out things like, "Of COURSE you'd say that! You're Admiral Cain!"
I like Ro. Did not like Cain.
Freaky. I didn't even recognize her.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
*whistles*
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Are you whistling at me?
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Nope. In response to Rabbit's incredulous question.
Posted by Primal Curve (Member # 3587) on :
None of you guys use Memory Alpha?
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
I have flash memory sticks that are configured to work with my brain. They are a life saver.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
memory alpha is teh awesome.
and mostly, I just...remember. no idea how.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
I never know the names of episodes.
Posted by IanO (Member # 186) on :
I like memory alpha. Except that the non-cannon books I like are not really included. I understand why. But Peter David's Imazadi, Greg Cox's Eugenics Wars (1-3), To Reign In Hell, and the Q-Continuum (1-3) are cool enough that they ought to have more than a passing mention. Then again, that would necessitate all the other non-canon stuff. Oh well.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by mackillian: memory alpha is teh awesome.
and mostly, I just...remember. no idea how.
What she said.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Are there any "cannon" books in ST?
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
The movie novelizations?
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Nope. No books are considered canon.
As for cannon, I've no idea.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
*fires shot over mack's bow*
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Posted by IanO (Member # 186) on :
I think Enterprise messed up Canon a bit (though there was some retconning attempted at, I think, by the 4th season). So with all that I think Canon is TOS, All Movies, TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT. I think all novellizations are out, as are all books (except maybe technical manuals?). And I read that parts of "The Final Frontier" and "The undiscovered Country" where not accepted by Roddenberry. Not sure which, though. By then, he was in an advisory position and not always listened to, from what I read.
Posted by Bella Bee (Member # 7027) on :
(And I actually sort of like 'Spock's Brain'. It's hi-larious.)
Posted by romanylass (Member # 6306) on :
quote:Originally posted by Puffy Treat: My vote for "worst" TNG episode would be the one where Riker fell in love with a genderless alien.
Talk about the clumsiest, most ham-fisted way possible to deal with alternative sexuality.
We just watched that episode and my 9 year old laughed in all the right places.
ETA: Spock's Brain, hands down.
Posted by romanylass (Member # 6306) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jayelle: Wow, I can't believe no one mentioned the TNG episode "Justice". Wesley goes on trail for breaking a law on the skankiest planet ever. The costumes and the poodle hair are just... the worst thing I've ever seen.
My husband and I have joked that it's so bad it's good, then it's bad again, then it's good again.
The only problem with this episode is that they didn't kill Wesley.
Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
I really liked Wil Wheaton's review of The Naked Now.
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