I'm speechless. A seven season HBO show, each season telling the story of one book. This is too awesome for words. *Dies*
Posted by MightyCow (Member # 9253) on :
Doesn't he have to finish all the books first?
Edit: Do you have an alternate link? The website you linked to keeps giving me errors, and I can't find any news on www.georgerrmartin.com about this.
[ January 17, 2007, 06:45 AM: Message edited by: MightyCow ]
Posted by St. Yogi (Member # 5974) on :
quote:Here’s the sticking point: Rome was cancelled before the second season even started because of the series’ massive cost – the first season weighed in at 100 million dollars.
I love Rome. Posted by MyrddinFyre (Member # 2576) on :
O___O
Now if I only got HBO...
Posted by Frisco (Member # 3765) on :
Wait, my TV just told me that Rome, Season 2, was starting quite soon.
And about the GRRM thing--W00T.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
Oh, my!!!
Frisco, second season of Rome started. I am also sad the learn it is ending as soon as it began, but at least we know what happens...
Posted by FlyingCow (Member # 2150) on :
This has a lot of potential, because Martin himself has a hand in the screenwriting. So, we shouldn't have another Earthsea disaster.
I wonder who they're thinking of for the cast?
Posted by David Bowles (Member # 1021) on :
Holy Mother and Crone!
Posted by Juxtapose (Member # 8837) on :
quote:Each book in the seven volume series (there are only five available now) will be one season of the show, starting with 1996's A Game of Thrones.
If only the bold part were true.
EDIT - That's great news about the show though, I hope they do it justice.
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
I wasn't all that interested in reading ASoIaF beyond the first tome, but I'd probably watch the show.
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
I would actually watch this .
Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
Martin said at SDCC that one of the biggest problems in this sort of series will be casting certain roles. He gave the example that getting the right actor for Tyrion would probably prove rather taxing.
Posted by FlyingCow (Member # 2150) on :
What, Warwick Davis is busy?
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
They made hobbits, they can make Tyrion. This would be awesome though. I think they could probably get one of the books into one season too, without too much missing.
When is that freaking next book coming out?!
Posted by xnera (Member # 187) on :
GRRM wrote on his "Not A Blog" blog:
quote:On other fronts... there has been some exciting news this week, but I can't talk about it yet. Do keep an eye on my news page, however. Big announcement coming soon.
Perhaps this is what he was talking about? Posted by Primal Curve (Member # 3587) on :
So how much time will be spent on internal dialogue for clothing choices?
<tight shot of Tyrion's face>
<Tyrion looks thoughtful and somewhat pained by a difficult decision>
Echoing voice: "Should I wear the red doublet and black breeches or the black doublet and red breeches? Is the crimson cod-piece too gaudy?"
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
I'd rather see him actually finish the books then help make a TV show.
Posted by Uprooted (Member # 8353) on :
What m_p_h said. I've yet to read A Feast for Crows because I already know how frustrated I'll be having to wait for the next volume!
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
It's possible that contractual obligations to HBO will actually light a fire under him and get him to hurry up with the rest of the series. Or not.
In terms of casting, I think that the biggest challenge is going to be casting the kids, I'd think. The shooting will almost have to be spread out over quite a few years, but the events of the book all unfold within...what, a year and a half, so far? I'm not entirely sure how they're going to pull that off in a smooth way, honestly. I wonder if they'll rewrite the story so it takes place over a longer period of time or something.
Posted by Puppy (Member # 6721) on :
I'd much rather let him take the time it takes than to have some external force "light a fire" under him to write faster than he is comfortable doing.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
You have a point.
Posted by xnera (Member # 187) on :
I've already gotten close to a hundred emails this morning, just off the VARIETY article. I expect that number will have swollen to several hundred before the day is out. I appreciate all the good wishes and congratulations, but I am NOT going to be able to respond to all of you individually.
Posted by TL (Member # 8124) on :
There's a new Wild Cards book? Holy cow. Blast from the past. Oh yeah -- and the tv show thing is extremely exciting.
Posted by plaid (Member # 2393) on :
Interesting bit from GRRM's website:
quote:The executive producers and showrunners on the project will be David Benioff and D. B. Weiss. Benioff and Weiss will also be writing the pilot script, and -- assuming that HBO eventually greenlights the series -- most of the episodes as well. This will be the first television project for them, but both have experience in novels as well as feature films. David Benioff is the author of the novel The 25th Hour and the collection When the Nines Roll Over: and Other Stories. His screenwriting credits include Troy, Stay, and The 25th Hour, and the forthcoming film versions of Wolverine and The Kite Runner. Dan Weiss has written the novel Lucky Wander Boy and the screen adaptations for the forthcoming films Halo, based on the videogame, and Pattern Recognition, from the William Gibson story. He and Benioff also worked together on the screenplay for Ender's Game, adapting the novel by Orson Scott Card.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
"getting the right actor for Tyrion would probably prove rather taxing."
I have always seen Tyrion as a shorter Joe Cocker.
Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
HBO will film the pilot, at least Posted by Corwin (Member # 5705) on :
Cool! This is the first time I see this. I'll very gladly watch it.
Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
Thanks. And cool. Posted by Fool (Member # 11813) on :
Are they going to cast it like Band of Brothers, where they try (but don't always succeed) to use not-yet-famous actors? Cause, the way GRRM works a body count, it'd be a shame to cast someone really good in a certain role, only to have him (or her) for only a few episodes.
For instance, I always pictured Robert as looking like Brian Blessed. He's too old now to play that part, of course.
Posted by SenojRetep (Member # 8614) on :
Benioff and Weiss did the script, huh? Didn't they have something better to do? (I know, that was years ago, but I'm still a little bitter).
Posted by Trent Destian (Member # 11653) on :
What about Peter Dinklage for Tyrion? Just die his hair. Beyond just meeting the height requirement, he also has the added bonus of actually being able to act.
edit: But then, no. doesn't really exude royalty and always imagined Tyrion a bit bigger in the horizontal sense.
Posted by plaid (Member # 2393) on :
yaaaaaaaaay. I just started reading the book! I'm 400 pages in and I can't stop...
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
wOOt!
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
I can't get there from work -- what's the gist?
Posted by Corwin (Member # 5705) on :
quote:The news has finally been made public, so I'm finally free to whoop and holler and share the great news -- the HBO pilot of A GAME OF THRONES will start filming in October, in Northern Ireland. The announcement was made in Belfast. Here you go:
I'd have much rather gone on not knowing if this would ever happen or not, and thus being stunned and delighted when I saw it advertised on HBO or something.
*sigh*
And who the hell knows what impact this will have on the next book... Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
Filming in October, so I guess the earliest we'll see it is in late 2010?
Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
quote:And who the hell knows what impact this will have on the next book...
don't worry, if it isn't finished by the time the series catches up with it, hbo will write it Posted by Frisco (Member # 3765) on :
What I want to know is whether they're getting Jake Lloyd or Haley Joel Osment to play Jon Snow.
Posted by Corwin (Member # 5705) on :
Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
obviously they'll get whichever one doesn't play Ender.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
lol
Posted by Raventhief (Member # 9002) on :
Call me pessimist, I just can't imagine this being good enough to hold up to my experience with the books.
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
I can if it has a HUGE budget, a brilliant script writer, and a very decent cast and director.
The odds of all of those things aren't great, but are better with HBO then with any other network.
Posted by TL (Member # 8124) on :
quote:Dinklage is filming two comedy features: the indie "Pete Smalls Is Dead," and the remake of "Death at a Funeral."
Weird typo in that article. Death at a Funeral's been out for a good while now. Be really bizarre if Dinklage was still filming a finished movie.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
Hey, the man's a perfectionist.
Posted by plaid (Member # 2393) on :
Interesting choice. I'm further encouraged by the casting of Mark Addy -- which I hadn't heard. So far it looks like the casting is going to be pitch-perfect. Nice.
Posted by daventor (Member # 11981) on :
Never read the book, but I'm a big fan of fantasy. And Sean Bean in anything increases its entertainment value by at least 14%. This definitely works it in its favor.
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
I had hoped Sean Bean would wind up being the Blackfish, but Ned's a good second choice.
I hope. Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
I think Sean Bean has made it onto just about every "who would you cast for ASOIAF" list for various rolls. Mostly I think that once you have some respect for one roll in a geek movie, geeks think of you for others. Looks like the same is true of casting directors .
I think they should die his hair a bit darker, and he should grow his beard out a bit, but I think he'd be a great Ned. He will only be needed for the first season only, which makes sense for someone who is a reasonably established star to commit to.
Posted by Brinestone (Member # 5755) on :
I like all their choices. I did a google image search of the two he didn't have pictures of. The boy who will play Joffrey is the kid in the Batman movies, and Harry Lloyd is a very recognizable British TV actor, who (apparently) will be the next Doctor on Doctor Who.
Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
you mean after Matt Smith? Posted by T:man (Member # 11614) on :
OOH!
I just finished A Clash Of Kings must finish all > Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
Dude, take your time.
Posted by Cashew (Member # 6023) on :
Yeah, they only come out about every 3 years.
Posted by Dan_Frank (Member # 8488) on :
Every 3 years?? It's been what, 5 years since A Feast For Crows? And that's the one that was supposed to come out extra fast because it was partially written already.
Posted by plaid (Member # 2393) on :
(more details over at GRRM's blog )
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
When I reached a certain threshold of witnessing GRRM fans gripe and moan about the release schedule and delays of the Song of Various Stark Family Members Killed by Ice and Fire and Other Rather Nasty Elements book series, I decided that my solution was to not start reading the books until either
1. the book series was completed, or 2. grrm was dead.
Posted by plaid (Member # 2393) on :
That may be sensible (though I think reading the books now is still worth the wait), but why spoil the books for yourself by coming into this spoilery thread?
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
I'm not spoiled by much spoilery stuff and I have a knack for skimming it so that I don't register nearly any of it.
To date I only know that a perennial habit of starks is dying a lot. I could not tell you which starks died. Not a one. I know none of their names.
Posted by DDDaysh (Member # 9499) on :
I love these books. It would be interesting to see the show, but I don't get HBO, so hopefully they'll also be released on DVD.
Posted by Parkour (Member # 12078) on :
I think what you should do is watch it on YON PIRATE BAY CHANNEL but honestly if you end up watching the whole thing because it's good, reward that investment by the producers and buy that set.
Posted by plaid (Member # 2393) on :
I've been re-reading A Game of Thrones, and thinking about what they'll try to fit in the pilot.
My guess = ending it when Jaime throws Bran out the window. That seems about right for a 2-hour show, and would be a great cliffhanger to end on. (Back when I first read the book, that was certainly the first point at which I wanted to know, OK, now what???)
Posted by natural_mystic (Member # 11760) on :
quote:Meanwhile, Mr. Martin should have plenty of time to finish writing the last two books in what he has said is a seven-book series.
o.O
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
Awesome news, thanks for sharing.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
I can't wait to see this (even though I have to, just like the books )
Posted by 0Megabyte (Member # 8624) on :
Eesh. I'm currently in my first read through, and just got to that scene in A Storm of Swords.
I didn't want to read it. Realizing that I'd finally reached that scene was not a happy moment.
Posted by DDDaysh (Member # 9499) on :
what scene?
Posted by 0Megabyte (Member # 8624) on :
Well, I don't want to say what it was, but the Rains of Cantamere play a large part.
Posted by Dan_Frank (Member # 8488) on :
You can just say the Red Wedding. Nobody who's gotten that far knows what it is, and anybody who has... does.
Posted by Sean Monahan (Member # 9334) on :
After I read that scene, I had to put the book down and sit in the bathroom because I thought I was going to throw up, I was so shocked.
Posted by 0Megabyte (Member # 8624) on :
Yeah. The Red Wedding... damn.
What's worse is the multiple chapters immediately after that where other characters celebrate it.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I bought A Game of Thrones two weeks ago and haven't gotten to it yet. It's currently third on my read list behind Dune, which I'm in the middle of, and a book I borrowed from a friend that I need to read and return next week. I'm caught between wanting to buy the next Dune book and continue with that series, or stopping and reading AGOT first. With a few hesitations, I'm really liking Dune. But the excitement over AGOT is pretty intense all around.
Posted by Dan_Frank (Member # 8488) on :
Lyrhawn, I'm always hesitant to overhype things, because not every piece of art is right for everyone, and I don't want to set unrealistic expectations.
But if you're okay with very grim, realistic, bittersweet fantasy, A Song of Ice and Fire can't come higher recommended. You probably already knew that.
I guess what I'm saying is... read A Game of the Thrones already!! Posted by 0Megabyte (Member # 8624) on :
Dang it, Lyrhawn, you're entering into good book territory.
Dune is probably the best of the Dune series, and the next one, Dune Messiah, is alright. It overuses the whole "main character sees the future, but doesn't bother to tell the reader what he's seeing" thing.
Interesting story, though. The third one should be read immediately afterwards... though it's the only one I've only read once. The rest I've read multiple times.
The fourth one, God-Emperor of Dune, is really good, and I don't care what anyone says, the fifth and sixth, Heretics of Dune and Chapterhouse: Dune are probably my favorite, in a weird way.
Ahh, Duncan Idaho'.
Anyway, as for A Game of Thrones, Dan_Frank has the right of it.
Weirdly enough, though, throughout the first three books so far, it doesn't feel like three separate books, even the way the Dune books or most others do. Perhaps it's because I'm reading them literally one after the other, but they definitely feel very much like one longer story than three separate novels. If you bound them all into one book, I'd not be able to tell, other than every once in awhile there was an even bigger cliffhanger than the usual ones in there.
Posted by 0Megabyte (Member # 8624) on :
I'm gonna say this and it's gonna sound weird to anyone who hasn't gotten to A Storm of Swords:
I think Jaime Lannister is my favorite character in this entire series.
[ March 09, 2010, 04:32 PM: Message edited by: 0Megabyte ]
Posted by Dan_Frank (Member # 8488) on :
Your favorite character wishes you'd spell his name correctly.
But seriously, I sort of agree. I don't know if I can truly have a favorite character, but Jaime is definitely in my top 5 or top 10 or whatever number I'd need to have to create my "top" list.
Posted by Sean Monahan (Member # 9334) on :
The series is brilliant, if for no other reason, for that character.
Posted by 0Megabyte (Member # 8624) on :
At this point I can't even call the Lannisters the bad guys anymore. Well, except for Cersei. She's a bitch.
The weird thing is, at this point half my favorite characters are Lannisters, and the other two are Jon and Dany. At this point the Starks don't even feel like main characters anymore. It's as much the Lannisters' story as theirs. And I wouldn't have guessed that when I started reading, not at all.
Posted by Dan_Frank (Member # 8488) on :
Lyrhawn, you should probably stop reading this thread, by the way.
Megabyte: I love re-reading the Jaime sections in the first books, with the experience of having been in his head in mind. He comes across very differently. Or, he did to me.
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
Yeah, this has devolved into a spoiler thread. Not that I mind spoiler threads, but this one isn't clearly labeled. Knowing that there is a horrible event called the "Red Wedding" in the third book is a pretty blatant spoiler to anyone with half a brain.
(I have an ASOIAF spoiler thread we can bump for that purpose, or we can rename this one)
Posted by Dan_Frank (Member # 8488) on :
Hrm, well, rename this one for now I guess? I can edit my posts. Should I edit my posts?
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Nah.
I feel like i barely remember some of the books, it's been a while since I reread them. I guess it's time then. Posted by 0Megabyte (Member # 8624) on :
Dan: I'm definitely going to do that! I need to go back and see it. After being in the guy's head, it'll make for a very different experience, I think.
Also, once again, I really wouldn't have guessed he'd become my favorite character. It's bizarre!
Kwea: Go! Read them! Apparently Martin is actually getting stuff close to done on A Dance of Dragons, hopefully, so maybe you won't have to wait long for the fifth one!
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
Don't edit your posts. Ever.
[ March 10, 2010, 03:06 AM: Message edited by: Samprimary ]
Posted by 0Megabyte (Member # 8624) on :
Um... what? Then why did you edit... oh never mind, I didn't see the unedited version.
Posted by Selran (Member # 9918) on :
I suspect A Dance of Dragons, and possibly the rest of the series, has been done for some time. He's just waiting to release it so he can take advantage of the popularity of the HBO series. That's not really based on anything solid, just a gut feeling.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
I really, really doubt it.
Posted by Jake (Member # 206) on :
Yeah, there's virtually no chance of that. The book was long overdue far before the HBO series had been conceived of, and Martin had no way of knowing for sure whether or not the show would be greenlit.
I'm honestly not sure how they'll be able to fit a book's worth of material into the typical 16 or so episodes of a typical HBO season. They're going to have to cut like mad.
Posted by natural_mystic (Member # 11760) on :
quote:Originally posted by 0Megabyte:
Kwea: Go! Read them! Apparently Martin is actually getting stuff close to done on A Dance of Dragons, hopefully, so maybe you won't have to wait long for the fifth one!
I think I heard this first 2 years ago.
Posted by Sean Monahan (Member # 9334) on :
quote:Originally posted by Selran: I suspect A Dance of Dragons, and possibly the rest of the series, has been done for some time. He's just waiting to release it so he can take advantage of the popularity of the HBO series. That's not really based on anything solid, just a gut feeling.
He has stated on his website, "when A DANCE WITH DRAGONS is finished, I will post that news here. The moment I finish the book, I will log on and make the announcement. You guys will be the third ones to know, right after Parris and my publishers." He has been providing sparing updates on his livejournal account which indicate it is not finished yet.
To believe as you have stated above, you must believe that GRRM is lying, and I see no reason to believe that.
Posted by Dan_Frank (Member # 8488) on :
quote:Originally posted by natural_mystic:
quote:Originally posted by 0Megabyte:
Kwea: Go! Read them! Apparently Martin is actually getting stuff close to done on A Dance of Dragons, hopefully, so maybe you won't have to wait long for the fifth one!
I think I heard this first 2 years ago.
Well he said it was almost done when A Feast For Crows came out.
And that was what, 5 years ago?
Posted by 0Megabyte (Member # 8624) on :
Yes, yes, I'm aware. But I can hope, can't I?
Darn it, I shall hope.
Posted by Dan_Frank (Member # 8488) on :
I'm hoping too, I just try to temper my hope with small doses of reality.
And I try not to think about how many more books there are supposed to be, and how old and fat GRRM is, and... yeah. Posted by 0Megabyte (Member # 8624) on :
Well, there's also the fact that it's a question of wanting it done fast and wanting it done right.
From what I've read, he's been working a lot on it, but also has a tendency to go back and delete a lot of his work because it isn't good enough (in his mind.)
I'd rather have a good one that took awhile than a bad one that was on schedule... still, I'd like to see more of what happens next!
Posted by natural_mystic (Member # 11760) on :
Same. I thought affc was substandard with respect to the others (still good, tho), so I hope the lengthy gap has meant that whatever lead to it not being quite so good (too many PoVs? high attrition rate of 'villains'?) will not be present in adwd. The lengthy wait has dulled my anticipation somewhat for the simple reason that I have forgotten a lot. When I'm sure it will be released I might start re-reading the series- or I might hold off until the final book of the series is to be released. I started reading them when I was a grad student with a relaxed adviser and so could go on reading binges. I just can't do that now so getting up to speed will take some time.
Posted by 0Megabyte (Member # 8624) on :
Speaking of A Feast For Crows, I'm actually deep into it already. I'm enjoying it, though I'm missing pretty much all my favorite characters save Jaime.
And I've gotten to
***SPOILERS***
The Cersei chapters. Dear God, it's like she takes offense at everything anyone says at all times. What a bitch.
Posted by Brinestone (Member # 5755) on :
Gosh I hate Cersei. My biggest beef with the series is that Martin forces me to be in her head.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
Heh, she is probably the best example of a character who is thoroughly stupid and evil even after you're seeing the world through her eyes in a book I've read.
Posted by Sean Monahan (Member # 9334) on :
Yes, I'm glad there's at least one character I'm not sympathetic towards, even after her POV chapters.
*edited for grammar
[ March 14, 2010, 12:42 AM: Message edited by: Sean Monahan ]
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
I was disappointed by his portrayal of Cersei; I just didn't find it believable that a character that stupid and petty would actually be capable of much of what she'd orchestrated in the previous three books.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Well, most of what she did was made possible by her families wealth and influence, not by her personally. I know a few people IRL who are in the same boat.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
*nod* I mean, really, what did Cersei herself orchestrate? Most of the "genius" moves on her behalf were actually Littlefinger's, ultimately done to benefit himself.
Posted by Jake (Member # 206) on :
Well, you may have a point. I'll have to keep the question in mind the next time I reread the series.
Posted by lem (Member # 6914) on :
I am almost done with the 3rd book and I will buy and finish the series. However, I do not think this series is classic or even really really great. It is decent, but sometimes it reads like a fan fic of his own world.
If I were to sum up the series for someone who hasn't read it, it would go like this:
The story kicks off good. You grow to love the characters. Someone eats meat and grease drips into the fire. They wander around. The character you grew to love dies. More good story develops. You slog through boring history and genealogy. Someone eats more meat and the grease drips on their chin. Someone you like dies. Someone doesn't get to where they want. There is a feast and the grease from meat dribbles down someone's fingers. Someone else dies. A new character comes. More boring history. Sex. bard songs, lots of food description and wilderness description, and more grease drips somewhere from meat. There is lots of boring descriptions, running around, and padding of the story. I think the author wanted to draw it out over 5 long books instead of 3 so he could make more money.
It is a good concept, fantastic characters, and a great world, but it is very repetitive and has way too much fluff. Seriously, if you were to take a shot after each time he describes the grease dripping off the meat you would have a very nice buzz after reading for a few hours.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
Tastes vary of course, but I'm trying to think back - I've read `em all twice, but it's been awhile - and I can't really recall much that was fluff, definitely not 'way too much' fluff.
Posted by vwiggin (Member # 926) on :
quote: You slog through boring history and genealogy
I thought some of the history was pretty boring, until I read this awesome interpretation (spoilers) of the events at the The Tourney of Harrenhal that just blew my mind.
Hint: Pay attention to Meera's version of the story and think really hard about who the mystery knight really is.
Posted by 0Megabyte (Member # 8624) on :
I dunno, I can't really agree. There's a lot of description, and Martin clearly likes a lot of it, but compare it to some real, honest pointless description, the sort that really makes a story drag (I'm looking at you, unabridged 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea) and this stuff just doesn't compare.
And this stuff isn't really repetitive from what I've seen, either. I've read other books that went into painful detail of every single meal the characters eat, the details of cooking, etc, that went on what I suspect would make up a small novel all itself, and certainly compared to that I don't find any repetition.
But then, comparing this to really glaring examples isn't the best manner of comparison.
Still, what fluff? What scene is superfluous? Heck, even the pointless Sansa scenes show vital things that are going on. Even if none of them have anything to do with Sansa, who at page 800+ of A Feast for Crows has still done nothing at all. For the fourth book straight. But hey, you got to see all sorts of cool things through her perspective, which mattered to the plot!
But yeah. What scenes were pointless? The pace is really fast in this series, from my perspective. Things don't usually drag at all. Except for Brienne in A Feast for Crows, anyway. She doesn't really do anything either, but when has she ever done anything, really?
Spoilers:
I always figured the mystery knight was Lyanna. But that thread makes me think it might have been Eddard, too. But yeah, that tourney is the pivotal event in the backstory, certainly the most interesting point in time.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
quote:Even if none of them have anything to do with Sansa, who at page 800+ of A Feast for Crows has still done nothing at all.
She got most of her family killed, one way or another, by repeatedly choosing to side with or believe the wrong person at the wrong time.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
She demonstrated just how dangerous it is to be a Disney character in a GRRM book? Heh.
Posted by 0Megabyte (Member # 8624) on :
True. There is that. And yeah, I forgot, she is the one who ultimately got so much of her family killed.
Granted, technically only three of them are dead... and one of them only technically dead. But the rest of them are still kind of screwed.
Take Arya. I read the cliches, and expected where she was going to go in the story.
Then she turned out totally different, and in a really frightening way, too. Gotta love that. Scariest 11 year old I've read in awhile.
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
Aren't two of Sansa's family "technically dead"?
Edit: Wait, no, I misinterpreted. Two are definitely dead, one is technically-mostly-sort of dead. Rereading is a bonus!
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