EDIT: FINE. I changed the title. I think I may have misinterpreted mph's words so I decided that I wanted to change it just because it seemed like this was becoming a ridiculously big argument over absolutely nothing. I changed it, but I still feel that thinking of OMG as an expletive is rather incredibly prudish.
I just saw the trailer!! I don't think I've ever been as excited about one until now!
The visuals look so freakin' COOL!!
*squeee!!*
I think this could actually work as a live action movie, contrary to popular belief!
[ March 30, 2007, 02:07 PM: Message edited by: Altáriël of Dorthonion ]
Posted by Launchywiggin (Member # 9116) on :
Michael Bay movies are just great for that "I don't want to think about anything for the next hour and a half" feeling. Pure visual entertainment.
Someday, maybe he'll tell a good story too.
Posted by porcelain girl (Member # 1080) on :
I spontaneously went into a sililoquy the other night on a drive home with the roommates about how easily I can get emotional over Transformers.
"Well first off, they're robots. In disguise."
Count me in as ridiculously excited.
Posted by stihl1 (Member # 1562) on :
I too am very excited about this movie. BUt I have a real problem with Optimus Prime being a conventional instead of a cab-over.
Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
Darn it, you had me excited that this was a new trailer instead of the one released back in January!
quote:Originally posted by porcelain girl: I spontaneously went into a sililoquy the other night on a drive home with the roommates about how easily I can get emotional over Transformers.
"Well first off, they're robots. In disguise."
Count me in as ridiculously excited.
More then meets the eye too.
Posted by Wonder Dog (Member # 5691) on :
"Freedom is the Right of All Sentient Beings"
Awesome!
Posted by Puppy (Member # 6721) on :
Is a "sililoquy" a silly monologue?
Posted by porcelain girl (Member # 1080) on :
why, yes. good for you for catching my incredibly subtle and clever play on words.
yes. *ahem*
dang.
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
If you guys want to see pictures of what the various Transformers look like (from trailer images, prototypes, and released toys), there's a good website that has tons of them.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
I know this is going to come across as terribly prudish, but would you mind changing the title of this thread? The acronym "OMG" bothers me, and when it's in the title of a thread on the first page, the only way I can avoid it is by not coming to Hatrack at all.
Thank you.
Posted by stihl1 (Member # 1562) on :
Jazz won't be the same without Scatman Carouthers voice.
Posted by Nighthawk (Member # 4176) on :
The "To punish and enslave" statement on the side of Barricade is a nice touch...
Posted by Boris (Member # 6935) on :
Even though I'm GOING to see this movie, I'm still incredibly unhappy that the Autobots were basically sold to GM. Bumblebee should be a Bug. Not a freaking Camero.
edit: And that fact has basically had the opposite affect on me. I will forever boycott GM for this outrage! Posted by Ginol_Enam (Member # 7070) on :
quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head: I know this is going to come across as terribly prudish, but would you mind changing the title of this thread? The acronym "OMG" bothers me, and when it's in the title of a thread on the first page, the only way I can avoid it is by not coming to Hatrack at all.
Thank you.
What's wrong with "oh my gosh?"
>_>
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
quote:Originally posted by stihl1: Jazz won't be the same without Scatman Carouthers voice.
I fear what Starscream will sound like without the original voice. Starscream/Cobra Commander was so distinctive. Something about his voice just SCREAMED "incompetent villain."
I still wish the movie was a pure remake of the cartoon movie. Among the many great scenes in the movie, and the great music, I love the scene where Megatron shows up at Starscream's coronation.
Starscream - "Who dares interrupt my coronation?" Galvatron - "Coronation Starscream? This is bad comedy!" Starscream - "M-Megatron?" Galvatron - "Here's a hint!" ::BAM!::
Posted by porcelain girl (Member # 1080) on :
My favorite Starscream moment (he is my fav.), would have to be where Megatron is stepping on Starscream's head.
Megatron: Either you're lying, or you're stupid. Starscream: I'm stupid, I'm stupid!
I don't even remember what he did, my brother just reenacts that part all the time.
Posted by Nighthawk (Member # 4176) on :
quote:Starscream/Cobra Commander was so distinctive.
That wasn't the same voice, was it?
I remember both voices and how their octaves now make me twitch in pain like nails across a blackboard, but I would never had made such a connection.
Posted by Altáriël of Dorthonion (Member # 6473) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ginol_Enam:
quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head: I know this is going to come across as terribly prudish, but would you mind changing the title of this thread? The acronym "OMG" bothers me, and when it's in the title of a thread on the first page, the only way I can avoid it is by not coming to Hatrack at all.
Thank you.
What's wrong with "oh my gosh?"
>_>
I am not going to change it, it's just an acronym.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
I really wish you would. It's an acronym for something that bothers me.
Posted by Altáriël of Dorthonion (Member # 6473) on :
quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head: I really wish you would. It's an acronym for something that bothers me.
Why? I don't get it.
I used that acronym because I was feeling really giggly and fangirl-ish at the time. What's so wrong with that, Mr.?
>:[
Posted by Foust (Member # 3043) on :
No offense, but how do you function in daily life, mph? Are your days just a litany of traumas to your sensitive soul?
Posted by JennaDean (Member # 8816) on :
Just chiming in with MPH, here. I don't like the acronym because when I read it I hear what it (usually) stands for, and I cringe every time I hear someone say that.
And yes, I hear it all the time, and I cringe every day.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Since you asked, I'll try to explain.
The usage of the word "God" as an expletive bothers me, as does the usage of some "swear" words. I'm not interested in going into why it bothers me, or if I'm justified in letting it bother me, or if you're justified in saying it anyway. The fact is that it does bother me.
Such things bother me enough that I choose to limit my exposure to them. I choose to not watch TV shows which have too much of it.
When I see acronyms such as OMG or WTF, what goes through my head is not the letters, but the words those stand for in my head.
There is very little difference to me between reading the acronyms and reading the words, since the words run through my head whenever I see the acronyms.
I totally understand why you used that acronym, Athariel. You're excited. There's nothing wrong with that. After all, who wouldn't be?
I am not saying there's anything inherently wrong with any of this language. I'm just saying that it bothers me.
I am only asking you to remove it from the title of your thread. If it's inside your thread, I can easily avoid it. There are lots of threads on Hatrack which I avoid for many reasons. That's fine -- I don't expect the forum to conform to my sensibilities.
But while that acronym in the title of your thread, I am unable to avoid having that phrase run through my head without leaving BFFC altogether.
So I am politely asking you to edit the title of your thread. Not because you should be expected to, and not because you did anything wrong, but because I asked.
I don't know if there is a single other person on the forum who is bothered by such things. I just know that I am, which is why I asked.
I hope I have been able to communicate this in the spirit intended. I mean no condemnation, explicit or implicit, in what I've said. I don't think negatively of you at all for posting that acronym. I won't get upset at you if you refuse my request.
I will probably bow out of this conversation now, because frankly, talking about what offends me or doesn't offend me isn't a conversation I feel like pursuing. But you did ask, and it's a reasonable request, so I have tried my best let you know why I made my request.
If you edit your title, I'll appreciate it, and if you don't, I won't be back in here to bother you any more about it.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
quote:No offense, but how do you function in daily life, mph? Are your days just a litany of traumas to your sensitive soul?
Here's an idea, Foust: don't be a jack@!@.
Edit: I apologize for that remark, Foust. I don't think it helped the thread. I remain convinced that your post was insensitive, rude, uncalled for, and rather intolerant, but I apologize for responding in kind.
[ March 29, 2007, 11:32 AM: Message edited by: Rakeesh ]
Posted by Altáriël of Dorthonion (Member # 6473) on :
I say we just go back to talking about Transformers.
EDIT: And by the by, I understand why MPH was uncomfortable with the acronym. However, I disagree with him when he says that it's an expletive. I think if I added an F around there it would be, and that's the acronym that I can't stand myself.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
quote:And by the by, I understand why MPH was uncomfortable with the acronym. However, I disagree with him when he says that it's an expletive. I think if I added an F around there it would be, and that's the acronym that I can't stand myself.
He isn't asking you to agree that it's an explitive. He's just pointing out that, to him, it's an explitive and that it makes him uncomfortable, and politely requesting that you editthe thread title in response to that.
Posted by Foust (Member # 3043) on :
quote:Here's an idea, Foust: don't be a jack@!@.
Edit: I apologize for that remark, Foust. I don't think it helped the thread. I remain convinced that your post was insensitive, rude, uncalled for, and rather intolerant, but I apologize for responding in kind.
Eh. I'd say that mph's position on this thread is rooted in simple resentment. The kind of resentment that ends in fascism. He's being nice about it, but the root of what he's doing is far more insidious than my rudeness.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
quote:Eh. I'd say that mph's position on this thread is rooted in simple resentment. The kind of resentment that ends in fascism. He's being nice about it, but the root of what he's doing is far more insidious than my rudeness.
In fascism? Dude, that's just plain nuts. Porter didn't demand it be taken down, he expressed his reasons politely and asked politely that it be taken down. That's all. There's nothing insidious about that.
Support yourself. You're making a totally baseless, and frankly ridiculous, claim.
Posted by Launchywiggin (Member # 9116) on :
I just despise all internet acronyms. I always have to look them up, and it's a waste of my time. Honestly, I like the English language--and I like typing exactly what I'm saying. I even add in the double dash for a pause sometimes--because I don't like commas. They're too ambiguous.
Anyway--didn't mean to chop down your excitement, Alt. I'll take my 10-year old nephew to see it for sure.
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
I don't find the acronym offensive, but I agree that thread titles should be held to a higher standard of sensitivity. (There was a thread not too long ago where this came up; I don't remember the exact situation. That person didn't change the title either.) When someone asks you politely, doesn't condemn you, and explains why they're bothered--especially when it's in the title of the thread--then I have to tell you that I personally do judge people who aren't considerate enough to abide such a request. You may not give a hoot, and that's fine. There may be other people, like me, who will decide that you are just plain inconsiderate, though. You may or may not care about that.
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
Four words:
'O My Cod, OSC.'
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
quote:I don't find the acronym offensive, but I agree that thread titles should be held to a higher standard of sensitivity. (There was a thread not too long ago where this came up; I don't remember the exact situation. That person didn't change the title either.) When someone asks you politely, doesn't condemn you, and explains why they're bothered--especially when it's in the title of the thread--then I have to tell you that I personally do judge people who aren't considerate enough to abide such a request. You may not give a hoot, and that's fine. There may be other people, like me, who will decide that you are just plain inconsiderate, though. You may or may not care about that.
I completely agree. On the not finding the acronym offensive, thinking that titles should be held to a higher standard, and judging people who do not.
Furthermore, I find it very ironic that if you changed the acronym slightly, it would be something you couldn't stand and thus would not post in a thread title.
When it's an acronym someone else can't stand, though...well, let's just ignore a polite, well-phrased request and get back to talking about Transformers!
Pretty disappointing.
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
quote:Originally posted by Scott R: Four words:
'O My Cod, OSC.'
I think it was actually "Good Cod, OSC." Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
I think you're right.
Posted by breyerchic04 (Member # 6423) on :
I've seen that referenced many times but I think it was pre my time here. Was it OSCFan or Dobie or something else entirely?
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
I think the Cod was even capitalized.
Added: And it was Lalo.
Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head: I don't know if there is a single other person on the forum who is bothered by such things.
There is.
Posted by breyerchic04 (Member # 6423) on :
Oh, I think I even knew that. Hmm maybe it was after i joined, not sure. Lalo certainly was around, and planning on biking and around Posted by vonk (Member # 9027) on :
quote:(There was a thread not too long ago where this came up; I don't remember the exact situation. That person didn't change the title either.)
Incidentally, I think that was a Transformers thread as well.
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That trailer looks awesome! I couldn't give hoot about what is or isn't Transformers canon, I haven't seen the tv show since I was like six and the last time I saw the movie, well, I wasn't in a state of mind to remember things very well. So this movie is going to be double plus good and no amount of poo-pooing is gonna change that!
Posted by breyerchic04 (Member # 6423) on :
No, it was more recently than the other transformers thread.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by twinky: I think the Cod was even capitalized.
Added: And it was Lalo.
Incorrect. Lalo posted the original thread.
The brilliant dobie (and I never think dobies are brilliant, but that one was) belonged to imogen. Posted by vonk (Member # 9027) on :
Well, an incredibly similar situation did happen with another Transformers thread.
Posted by breyerchic04 (Member # 6423) on :
It appears just days before i started lurking.
Posted by BaoQingTian (Member # 8775) on :
Was the other thread in question titled something like: 'George Lucas Raped my Childhood?' In that thread, the OP refused to change it, and the thread degenerated into 2 pages of arguing about the title. The thread became about the title rather than the topic. Looks like we're well on our way here too...
Posted by breyerchic04 (Member # 6423) on :
I don't think that is the one being reffered to. This one was just in the last two weeks.
Posted by Jutsa Notha Name (Member # 4485) on :
Edited because the title changed.
Good for you! Now everyone feels better, I'm sure.
[ March 30, 2007, 03:11 PM: Message edited by: Jutsa Notha Name ]
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
quote:I believe that Altįriėl of Dorthonion is simply attention-whoring at this point. Numerous people have made plenty of cases to avoid the trouble and get back to talking about the movie, but Altįriėl of Dorthonion insists on leaving the trouble in place and having the thread constantly bumped to the top of the queue.
??
Altariel has bumped this thread once. That hardly qualifies as "having the thread constantly bumped."
I'm bumping it now of my own free will. Free will is a neat thing. For example, I can use it to stay out of threads that get on my nerves.
So can you.
Posted by Nighthawk (Member # 4176) on :
God, is nothing safe here? The freakin' TRANSFORMERS thread has all this going on?!?
I'm afraid to post about my dog; it might turn in to a holy war.
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
Your dog is an unholy infidel, and the God of Heaven and Earth demands its destruction!
Praise be to Mittens!
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
I can't be sure, but I don't recall her bumping the thread herself.
Posted by vonk (Member # 9027) on :
Are you automatically 'bumping a thread' when you hit the "Add Reply" button, even if it's a legitimate response and not solely to get the thread to the top of the page?
Edit: Also, Nighthawk, your dog is occupying space that the ancestors of my religion settled. To the Crusademobile!
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
The thread I was referring to had "Pissed Off" in the title, and the OP got offended and refused to change that title also.
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
Mittens!
I can smell your brains.
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
quote:Originally posted by rivka:
quote:Originally posted by twinky: I think the Cod was even capitalized.
Added: And it was Lalo.
Incorrect. Lalo posted the original thread.
The brilliant dobie (and I never think dobies are brilliant, but that one was) belonged to imogen.
Oh, I see. I didn't know about the dobie, so I just assumed Scott was euphamistically describing the original thread.
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
I thought Lalo changed it?
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Scott? Euphemisms? Never!
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by Scott R: I thought Lalo changed it?
No, he refused to change it. So kacard did, after about a week.
Posted by Altáriël of Dorthonion (Member # 6473) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jutsa Notha Name: I think anyone who really wants to continue talking about the movie and the trailer should create another thread, post the link and the interesting information, and let this thread fall off the queue.
If you don't want to talk about the movie, then why are you here in the first place? If you do, then be my guest.
quote:Numerous people have made plenty of cases to avoid the trouble and get back to talking about the movie, but Altįriėl of Dorthonion insists on leaving the trouble in place and having the thread constantly bumped to the top of the queue.
Well, see MPH said that he was ok with me leaving the thread title as it was even though he was offended by it. Why? Because after all, it's my right to do so. He may consider OMG offensive but a Muslim would consider my daily outfit offensive. Would I change my ways because of that? Of course not. I respected MPH's opinion but I am sure he respected mine as well. If it doesn't hurt him and it does hurt me, then I don't see this "problem" you speak of. I was trying to get back to Transformers because I made that thread for that specific reason, not to talk about what offends me or you or any theological morals you have. If you or anyone wishes to discuss that, then go ahead and make your own thread. EDIT: Oh, and I wonder how someone can "avoid a trouble" without "leaving it in place". Avoidance is like walking around it, right?
quote:If Altįriėl of Dorthonion persists in bumping the thread out of spite, the charge of attention-whoring is verified.
And I've bumped how many times? Two now? Yes. I'm such a dirty little whore.
quote:This thread title and the ensuing discussion has gotten on my nerves now, too.
Yes, because I'm TOTALLY holding you at gun-point. You better be here, or ELSE!
Jutsa, honestly. What's your beef? I don't think I've ever messed with you, so why do you seem to have something against me?
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by Altáriël of Dorthonion: Well, see MPH said that he was ok with me leaving the thread title as it was even though he was offended by it. Why? Because after all, it's my right to do so.
He was being polite.
And while of course you have the right not to change the title, it would be polite of YOU to do so, now that you know that it bothers people. And how would it hurt you to do so?
You are correct that no one needs to come in the thread if they don't want to. But there is no way to avoid the thread title and be on Hatrack.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
quote: If it doesn't hurt him and it does hurt me, then I don't see this "problem"
Alt, I think this isn't right. It is a problem for him, and for Tante, and for other people (like me). I wish you would change it as well. I guess if you still don't want to change it after knowing that, that's your right, but it isn't neutral to leave it up.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
Altįriėl of Dorthonion,
quote:If you don't want to talk about the movie, then why are you here in the first place? If you do, then be my guest.
As I'm sure you know by now from your long participation on Hatrack, sometimes threads morph into discussions different from their original topic. The person starting the thread does not own the conversation in it.
quote:Well, see MPH said that he was ok with me leaving the thread title as it was even though he was offended by it.
Ummm...no, he didn't. That's not at all what he said. He said many things--and there is one quotation in his post in particular that spells it out, but that one's a bit of a hammer, so I won't use it right now--but it can be summed up thusly:
quote:If you edit your title, I'll appreciate it, and if you don't, I won't be back in here to bother you any more about it.
He didn't say he was fine with it.
quote:Because after all, it's my right to do so.
Your right to do so was never in question, or challenged.
quote:He may consider OMG offensive but a Muslim would consider my daily outfit offensive.
Not the same situation at all. In order to participate at Hatrack, one cannot avoid seeing the titles of threads on the first page. But let's examine your statement for a moment, anyway. You're not going to change your daily outfit because it offends a socially conservative Muslim, I imagine. Why? Because you don't care enough about offending that Muslim to refrain from doing so. That's fine, but let's not pretty that up with a word like "respect". It's not necessarily disrespect, but it's clearly not respect, either.
quote:If it doesn't hurt him and it does hurt me, then I don't see this "problem" you speak of.
He has said that reading the acronym, which he must do since it's a thread title, does upset him and he would rather not be compelled to see the acronym-and thus think the words-everytime he visits Hatrack, and the thread title is on the first page.
That's a problem. You may not care, but it's a problem.
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Generally speaking, the polite thing to do in mixed company is to refrain from swearing if you know it offends someone in the company. Especially if the swearing is easily replaceable with another expression of surprise that's not, to that person, swearing. And doubly especially if the objection is expressed as politely as Porter's was.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Altįriėl, thank you very much. I appreciate it.
Posted by vonk (Member # 9027) on :
Can I play the devils advocate for second? I can see where Alt is coming from (Edit: not that I know where Alt is coming from, but assuming that where I think Alt is coming from really is where Alt is coming from). In the ever challenging world of a person trying not to offend people, the stakes are rising. I completely understand that some people are offended by profanities and/or religious exclamations. So, in an effort to be polite, one who would normally curse can use replacement words or achronyms, such as "shoot" or "freaking" or "S.O.B." or "S.O.L."
But to then have someone who gets offended by the original cursing tell you that even your replacement words are offensive, it starts to feel like censorship. I know it is in the effort of respect, but at some point a person's gotta get fed up and say "well what the heck can I say?!" (assuming, of course, that I can say "heck") If I'm really excited about a movie, and I can't say "oh my g-d" and I can't say "OMG" and I can't say "oh my gosh", I'm gonna start feeling boxed in.
What do you do when the PC replacement words aren't PC anymore? Come up with new replacement words?
That being said, when someone asks you to do something that requires almost no effort and would make them happy but not hurt you, it's generally considered polite to do it, regardless.
Edit: Darn people resolving their quarrels before I get to put my two cents in.
[ March 30, 2007, 03:32 PM: Message edited by: vonk ]
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
Alt, you're darling. Not just this, although this is very sweet. I mean in general. I think you're a real lady.
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
It isn't censorship (except in Lalo's case) because you actually have the right to refrain from changing it. Therefore, it's you keeping your rights but being less than totally considerate if you leave it, or it's you choosing not to exercise the right that you still have, but being considerate, if you do change it. It's not about what anyone must do. It's about what would be extra nice.
(I know the title has been changed; I'm just answering the preceding post.)
For myself, I respect Alt. more because she decided to change it even though she didn't have to, and because her response to Jutsa's over-the-top accusations were milder than he deserved.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
Seconded.
Posted by TheTick (Member # 2883) on :
(look out! this train is about to get back on track)
I just watched the newest trailer (the one that actually shows machines, you know, transforming).
I may have to actually see this. I can only imagine the look my wife will give me. Posted by vonk (Member # 9027) on :
You're right, it isn't cenrsorship. But it does begin to feel like cenrsorship, especially if one's desire to be polite/respectful is something of a driving force.
Also, Yay Transformers!
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
But you're driven to be polite or respectful because you're a nice guy. Nobody really makes you be that way but you. Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by Icarus: For myself, I respect Alt. more because she decided to change it even though she didn't have to, and because her response to Jutsa's over-the-top accusations were milder than he deserved.
Thirded.
Posted by lem (Member # 6914) on :
I wanted to add my 2 cents to a resolved issue. I don't think Alts's respect or character was never in question.
She did no wrong. I would giver her the benefit of the doubt no matter what she did. She changed it so she is sensitive. If she didn't change it, I would respect her moral convictions. Standing up to a crowd who disapproves of you is rough.
I don't think she was ever in question, so I have no comment on whether her choice was correct.
MPH was the person asking her to change. He was the one who was offended and asking someone else to change their behavior. It is him who I look at with any possibility of judgment.
However, he was simple, direct, honest, and kind. He answered her question with a well thought out and written response.
For someone who I disagree with on several religious issues, I thought we was full of tact. I know he would have handled her action or inaction just as he said he would.
Events unfolded and the only opinion change I had was to view MPH with a little more respect.
Oh, and Jutsa Notha Name really confused me with his/her comment.
Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
quote:Originally posted by rivka:
quote:Originally posted by twinky: I think the Cod was even capitalized.
Added: And it was Lalo.
Incorrect. Lalo posted the original thread.
The brilliant dobie (and I never think dobies are brilliant, but that one was) belonged to imogen.
Yes, yes it did.
Breyer, you were here, I'm sure of it.
Maybe you just missed my brilliance. Posted by jebus202 (Member # 2524) on :
Hah, MPH is a total baby.
Sorry, that was completely inappropriate for Hatrack... CUDDLEZ FOR EVERYONE!
::begins administering super-soft cuddlez::
Posted by Altáriël of Dorthonion (Member # 6473) on :
quote:Originally posted by rivka:
quote:Originally posted by Icarus: because her response to Jutsa's over-the-top accusations were milder than he deserved.
Thirded.
Oh, I'm not as nice as you think. Try getting in an argument with me on Gaia and I may not try to be as nice when it comes to arguments.
What, you'd think I would try to get myself banned over statements like those by some person who could be Megatron riding a My Little Pony for all I know/care?
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I am not going to change it, it's just an acronym.
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