Zii or Zed?
Posted by Tatiana (Member # 6776) on :
Zee
Posted by RunningBear (Member # 8477) on :
In Chinese, tsuh
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by Tatiana: Zee
Yep.
Posted by advice for robots (Member # 2544) on :
Probably depends on which side of the pond you call home.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
And which pond. Canadians and Australians (among others) say "zed" too.
Posted by Evie3217 (Member # 5426) on :
Zee for mee!
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Zederoni! Posted by advice for robots (Member # 2544) on :
Lake Superior, of course. What did you think I meant
Anyway, going to catch some zeds.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
That accounts for the Canadians. Not so much the Aussies. But what could?
Posted by BlueWizard (Member # 9389) on :
I suspect that 'zed' is to avoid confusion with 'C' (see), in conversation the zee/see (z/c) can be mixed up. Though in the USA, if there was a possibility of miscommunication, the most common phonetic spoken alphabets for 'Z' are -
Zero (Telecom, Western Union) Zulu (NATO) Zebra (Police, Telecom B,) Zed (British Common) Zurich (British A)
Still, if I am simply designating the letter 'Z' in normal conversation, I would most likely say 'Zee'.
I was educated in the north central states of the USA, and have always heard the 'zee' designation used around here.
For what it's worth.
Steve/BlueWizard
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Zulu is also used in the spoken alphabet used by ham radio operators. (Google tells me that's because we use the NATO phonetic alphabet.)
-- Kilo Echo Six Mike Uniform Victor
Posted by anti_maven (Member # 9789) on :
Zed or Zulu (as in 'don't throw those ++++++ spears at me ). Or theta as they say in hispanish...
If I'm talking to Yanks I use Zee, to avoid confusion. I'm adaptable, me...
Tango Alpha Lima Lima Yankee Hotel Oscar!
Posted by Eduardo St. Elmo (Member # 9566) on :
The 26th letter of the Roman alphabet is best pronounced as 'swish, swish, swish', followed by a surprised look at one's ruined shirtfront. Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
quote:Originally posted by advice for robots: Lake Superior, of course. What did you think I meant
Anyway, going to catch some zeds.
What about Ontario, Erie, and Huron? I live less than 20 miles away from the Zedders (my new nickname for Canadians), any by far my only real contact with someone using Zed has been whenever Rodney McKay refers to a ZedPM on Stargate: Atlantis.
I'm a Zee person myself.
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
zorange.
Posted by brojack17 (Member # 9189) on :
I say Zee. I used Zulu in the military.
Posted by anti_maven (Member # 9789) on :
Touché Eduardo, your fiendish sword skills are no match for me...
Posted by xnera (Member # 187) on :
I have a Z in my last name, so it's "Zee as in Zebra".
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by anti_maven: Tango Alpha Lima Lima Yankee Hotel Oscar!
O_o
You're doing that wrong. There's supposed to be a number in there somewhere.
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
Zed.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by RunningBear: In Chinese, tsuh
Curse your Wades Giles pronounciation!
In proper Pin Yin: C= tsuh Z= zzz
can= tsahn
ze= zuh
edit: Also do you guys say "easy" or "eazy?"
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
Zzzz. As in Zaphod or zymurgy or, if you have kids, a Zizzle-zazzle-zoo (as you can plainly see).
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: edit: Also do you guys say "easy" or "eazy?"
The latter. The manner of speech around here tends to be on the lazy side. One of the ways that manifests is by unvoiced consonants preceded by a vowel being pronounced as their voiced counterparts:
Though it doesn't happen to \k\ and \p\; just \t\ and \s\. Curious. Maybe Jon-Boy could explain it.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlueWizard: I suspect that 'zed' is to avoid confusion with 'C' (see), in conversation the zee/see (z/c) can be mixed up.
Actually, it's because the name was originally zeta (from the Greek alphabet). In French it became zede, and then the final e dropped off, which is where we get the English name. Zee arose as a variant by analogy with other letters, and Americans picked up the variant and made it standard.
Posted by advice for robots (Member # 2544) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn:
quote:Originally posted by advice for robots: Lake Superior, of course. What did you think I meant
Anyway, going to catch some zeds.
What about Ontario, Erie, and Huron? I live less than 20 miles away from the Zedders (my new nickname for Canadians), any by far my only real contact with someone using Zed has been whenever Rodney McKay refers to a ZedPM on Stargate: Atlantis.
I'm a Zee person myself.
I used to live in Duluth, MN, so I'm a Lake Superior person.
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
Zed
Posted by brojack17 (Member # 9189) on :
Zed's dead baby. Zed's dead.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
quote:Originally posted by advice for robots:
quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn:
quote:Originally posted by advice for robots: Lake Superior, of course. What did you think I meant
Anyway, going to catch some zeds.
What about Ontario, Erie, and Huron? I live less than 20 miles away from the Zedders (my new nickname for Canadians), any by far my only real contact with someone using Zed has been whenever Rodney McKay refers to a ZedPM on Stargate: Atlantis.
I'm a Zee person myself.
I used to live in Duluth, MN, so I'm a Lake Superior person.
Ah, that explains it. I guess technically I'd be a Detroit River person, but I shudder to actually say that and proclaim myself a Lake Michigan person, as that is my favorite of all the lakes, and where I feel most at ease.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
NOBODY says "easy" with an /s/ sound. In English, a single s between vowels is almost always voiced (pronounced like a z). I can't think of any exceptions off the top of my head, though I'm sure there are some. This is a sound change that dates back thousands of years And the word "easy" comes from French, where intervocalic s is always voiced, without exception.
And technically speaking, intervocalic post-stress /t/ is not simply voiced, but flapped as well. The sound is the same as a single Spanish /r/, not a /d/. This is a more recent change in North America in the last century or two.
Posted by erosomniac (Member # 6834) on :
The one that bothers me is how many people mispronounce words like "button" and "curtain."
Curtain I can understand, one "t" might be easy to miss. But mitten, button, rotten, fatten, smitten, these words have TWO "t"s! You can't ignore both!
Posted by advice for robots (Member # 2544) on :
Except that you sound like a freaking weirdo if you pronounce them at the front of your mouth instead of in your throat. Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
There are lots of different ways to interpret 't's, not only with 'd's. Think of cockney accents, where the 't's are gone completely:
Bu'on
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
quote:Originally posted by erosomniac: The one that bothers me is how many people mispronounce words like "button" and "curtain."
Curtain I can understand, one "t" might be easy to miss. But mitten, button, rotten, fatten, smitten, these words have TWO "t"s! You can't ignore both!
Now that's just a ridiculous argument. The double t is merely a spelling convention to indicate that the preceding vowel is short. You don't actually PRONOUNCE both ts, even in careful speech.
And welcome to the world of linguistic tolerance. Your pet peeve is someone else's native dialect.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by erosomniac: The one that bothers me is how many people mispronounce words like "button" and "curtain."
Curtain I can understand, one "t" might be easy to miss. But mitten, button, rotten, fatten, smitten, these words have TWO "t"s! You can't ignore both!
My wife swallows the Ts in those words.
She says kitten, "Ki-en"
I know I know, I've tried to fix it!
She is from Washington and lived close to, "Seaddle"
Does anyone truely say, "Seattle?"
Posted by Dragon (Member # 3670) on :
Yeah, when I pronounce those ts it sounds really weird. I usually say "buh'in," "fah'in" and "smi'in." Though I had never really thought about it before.
I also say "zee" unless spelling something out in French.
Posted by erosomniac (Member # 6834) on :
quote:Originally posted by advice for robots: Except that you sound like a freaking weirdo if you pronounce them at the front of your mouth instead of in your throat.
No, the weirdos are the ones who do the below:
quote:There are lots of different ways to interpret 't's, not only with 'd's. Think of cockney accents, where the 't's are gone completely:
Bu'on
This is the one I'm talking about. It drives me nuts. Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote: This is the one I'm talking about. It drives me nuts.
n'uts? Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
quote:Originally posted by erosomniac: This is the one I'm talking about. It drives me nuts.
Hopefully it's a short drive. Posted by advice for robots (Member # 2544) on :
Aaarrrrr!
Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
I pronounce it exactly the way it is spelled.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade:
quote: This is the one I'm talking about. It drives me nuts.
n'uts?
Nu's?
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lisa:
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade:
quote: This is the one I'm talking about. It drives me nuts.
n'uts?
Nu's?
That's what I meant.
Posted by advice for robots (Member # 2544) on :
Nu'zoid.
Posted by erosomniac (Member # 6834) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jon Boy:
quote:Originally posted by erosomniac: This is the one I'm talking about. It drives me nuts.
Kilo Delta Seven Golf Oscar Oscar here.
Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
Zee. Unless there's a P and an M afterward.
Posted by Flaming Toad on a Stick (Member # 9302) on :
Zed. Although it has to be zee for the EDBTZ joke to work. Posted by advice for robots (Member # 2544) on :
quote:Originally posted by Zevlag: Rivka, you're a Ham radio op.?
Kilo Delta Seven Golf Oscar Oscar here.
Breaker, breaker. Ten-four, good buddy. Over and out.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by Zevlag: Rivka, you're a Ham radio op.?
Well, I have a license. I haven't done anything with it (except renew it ) for several years; my ex got all the radio equipment in the divorce.
afr, amateur radio is most emphatically NOT the same thing as CB radio.
Posted by advice for robots (Member # 2544) on :
I figured it wasn't. But all I know is CB lingo. Kind of like pirate talk.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
*laugh*
Hams do say "over" and "over and out." I don't believe I've ever heard one use "good buddy" on the air, though. And we say "break" rather than "breaker, breaker" -- when you're interrupting a conversation it needs to be short.
Posted by advice for robots (Member # 2544) on :
Oh, is that what "breaker, breaker" means? Huh.
What do you generally do as a ham radio operator? Sit there and try to get in touch with people? Listen in on conversations? Just keep your equipment in shape in case of emergency?
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
I got my license because of the 1992 earthquake, which knocked out power and phone lines in much of the San Fernando Valley. Hams were asked to volunteer at locations throughout the area. (There was one main dispatch location, IIRC.) My then-spouse, who was already a ham, was assigned to a small hospital. They had no power, and NO PHONES. They needed to coordinate getting patients elsewhere, getting supplies, etc. Other hams were assigned to other hospitals, to police and fire stations and I don't know where all else.
Providing volunteer emergency services is a big part of why most hams I know have licenses. (I used to be a member of a local group affiliated with the Beverly Hills PD, for instance.) It's also a fun hobby, and a way to talk to people around the world. Before cell phones were so cheap, it was also a great way to talk to someone who was in the car or wherever. (Not private, but that just meant sometimes you got to talk to other people on the drive home, instead of just your spouse. )
And it's fun for kids. My thirteen-year-old got her license about a year ago.
Z? What is this Z? I only have a 25-letter alphabet (or an 18-letter alphabet depending on the language).
Posted by Bob the Lawyer (Member # 3278) on :
I generally say "zed" unless singing my ABCs. Can't... resist... rhyme...
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
I got my license in high school, for two reasons. First, my dad was big into it; second, they had scholarships. I suppose I'll have to renew it sometime soon.
I've used it once - to talk with my father.
Kilo Bravo Nine Whiskey Zulu Yankee, signing off.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by Carrie: I suppose I'll have to renew it sometime soon.
Not until 2010, looks like. Licenses are good for 10 years, and then there's a year or two in which you can renew without penalty before you have to start from scratch.
Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :
I pronounce the letter "Z" as Kumquat.
But then, I'm strange that way.
Posted by Qaz (Member # 10298) on :
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