Muahahahaha! My friend just burned for me the British version of Deathly Hallows on a PDF. Ahhhh... networking is fun.
Now to settle down and try not to burn my eyes out.
[edit] Turns out it is fanfic... shucks! I was so excited too...
[ July 02, 2007, 02:29 AM: Message edited by: Telperion the Silver ]
Posted by GaalDornick (Member # 8880) on :
It's released in England already?
Posted by TL (Member # 8124) on :
Is this the 659 page courier font (very plain-looking) pdf that's been floating around? Are the final two words in your pdf "to death"?
Posted by Aspic (Member # 10647) on :
Ouhh i'm Jealous, any way you can share the wealth?
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
The last several HP books have had multiple fanfic versions floating around masquerading as the real version.
Posted by rollainm (Member # 8318) on :
It's a fake. There are a few of these floating around. Different versions, fanfic no doubt, but basically it's 1-3 pages copied over and over.
Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
I'm confused.
Posted by Marlozhan (Member # 2422) on :
By chance, Telp, does your friend work for Miranda Priestly?
Posted by RyanINPnet (Member # 8363) on :
Yeah, it's a fake. If I remember right, Rowling said that the last word in the book is "scar". From what I hear that is not the last word in this fanfic.
Posted by TL (Member # 8124) on :
Is that what you're reading?
Posted by Telperion the Silver (Member # 6074) on :
TL, yes that seems to be what I'm reading...
False alarm everyone! Posted by rollainm (Member # 8318) on :
Sorry guy. I'm sure you were excited.
It would have been more convincing if you said you'd gotten hold of the audiobook (voiced by Stephen Fry) which will be released at the same time as the book.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
I think the only thing worse than waiting would be finishing the book before everyone else and not being able to say anything about it for weeks for fear of getting sued by Scholastic and Bloomsbury.
I'm glad to know that Hatrack is still safe (I'm trying to go spoiler free, it will be hard).
The way the book is being published and distributed makes it nearly impossible to get a look at the book, until the middle of the last week when the boxes arrive at the bookstore. Then you probably will be able to get real spoilers online.
I worked at a library during book 5's release and the books arrived on Wednesday. The librarians took them out of their book and put the library's stickers on them. Then they just sat there until Saturday (Monday really, because the library is closed on weekends in the summer). Since the employees can order books at wholesale through the library, one librarian simply took hers home Friday evening, went to the Potter parties, and opened it after midnight.
You don't have to be that honest, just have to not have a fear of lawyers and make sure scholastic doesn't find out so you are not blacklisted out of the book selling industry.
For book six, I did receive a file that was the first chapter within a day or two of the release from some school friends. Real because it was photographs of the British edition with someone's hands holding the book open.
The bottom line is that nothing in the next few days would be the real thing. In two weeks, watch out.
(edit: Well that's good was refering to the fact that it's fake)
[ July 02, 2007, 05:23 PM: Message edited by: theamazeeaz ]
Posted by Telperion the Silver (Member # 6074) on :
That's not good Porter... mmmmm
Posted by Telperion the Silver (Member # 6074) on :
Well, in other news I just recieved the special 50th anniversary edition of The Lord of the Rings that I've been lusting after for years and the hardcover version of the new Tolkien book about Turin. Posted by Little_Doctor (Member # 6635) on :
This fanfic stuff is actually pretty good. I'm really enjoying it so far.
Posted by Alcon (Member # 6645) on :
Wait the audio book is gonna be voiced by Stephen Fry?? What happened to Jim Dale?! Jim Dale was awesome!
Edit:
Phew, according to wikipedia, Jim Dale is still gonna voice the American audio books, apparently Stephen Fry is just the UK audio book narrator. That gave me a scare Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Stephen Fry has been always been the reader of the UK versions of the HP audio books.
I listened to the his version of The Chamber of Secrets. I thought that his female voices weren't nearly as good as Dale's, but he absolutely nailed Lockheart.
Posted by rollainm (Member # 8318) on :
quote:Originally posted by Alcon: Wait the audio book is gonna be voiced by Stephen Fry?? What happened to Jim Dale?! Jim Dale was awesome!
Edit:
Phew, according to wikipedia, Jim Dale is still gonna voice the American audio books, apparently Stephen Fry is just the UK audio book narrator. That gave me a scare
Ah. My mistake.
Posted by TL (Member # 8124) on :
Deathly Hallows seems to have actually leaked, now. I am reading it and I feel no (or at least very little) guilt, since I've already paid for my pre-order.
Posted by TL (Member # 8124) on :
I don't want to violate the terms of this board. Email me, maybe.
Posted by breyerchic04 (Member # 6423) on :
Yeah I was just curious if online or somewhere else. I will email though.
Posted by TL (Member # 8124) on :
quote:Yeah, it's a fake. If I remember right, Rowling said that the last word in the book is "scar". From what I hear that is not the last word in this fanfic.
Wait. Can someone source this? Is this accurate? Because the last word in this thing is not "scar."
Posted by TL (Member # 8124) on :
quote:Yeah I was just curious if online or somewhere else. I will email though.
Online, in the usual places.
Posted by breyerchic04 (Member # 6423) on :
She has now said scar is near the end but not the last word. I can link you a video that says that. So is Scar in the last paragraph or so?
Posted by Tatiana (Member # 6776) on :
The latest info from Rowling in that interview is that the last word in the book is not "scar", but that it appears very near the end.
Posted by breyerchic04 (Member # 6423) on :
Yeah, what breyer said. Posted by TL (Member # 8124) on :
The word "scar" begins the second-to-last sentence. The leak is 759 pages. It consists of photographs of someone holding open every page so the book can be read. Looks real. Could be a hoax, but this would be a heck of a hoax.
Posted by Tatiana (Member # 6776) on :
Anybody who posts spoilers from the leaked copy is a rotten egg! I mean that! Posted by breyerchic04 (Member # 6423) on :
Does it come out of Indiana, there is a rumor that the book is being printed (for US copies at least) in Crawfordsville IN.
And did you get my email?
Posted by Tara (Member # 10030) on :
Or you could just wait till Saturday...good grief.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
OK, I'm checking it out. It's not very easy to read. I think I'll just wait. Posted by breyerchic04 (Member # 6423) on :
I have two reasons why I want to see it. 1) i'd be curious to see a really good hoax
2) if it is real, I have a lot more free time between now and friday than i do from saturday until August.
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
TL: pmed you. (Have work Sunday and would prefer not to stay up all night reading)
Posted by Shanna (Member # 7900) on :
Ooh. This is so hard to resist. I want to hold it in my hands while I read (and I'm still not done re-reading book 6) but I'd also like to read it now and limit the chances of being spoiled.
I'm going to have to unplug my internet soon.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
same here
Posted by ricree101 (Member # 7749) on :
quote:Originally posted by TL: The word "scar" begins the second-to-last sentence. The leak is 759 pages. It consists of photographs of someone holding open every page so the book can be read. Looks real. Could be a hoax, but this would be a heck of a hoax.
Out of curiosity, what is the last word, then?
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
Further:
anyone who has the link, please send it to me at
dg _ writing
%%% @ %%% hotmail.com
(without spaces or %%%)
Posted by TL (Member # 8124) on :
quote:Out of curiosity, what is the last word, then?
Too much could be accurately imagined from knowing the real last word. If this is real (and I guarantee no guarantees) I'm not going to be one of the people who spoils it.
Posted by TL (Member # 8124) on :
I'm sorry. I wish I could help. They seem to still be working, as far as I can see. But I wouldn't be surprised if they come down soon.
Posted by TL (Member # 8124) on :
*cough* I think I can steer you a little bit better. Check your email. Tell no one. */cough*
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
kweasr At gMail dot com
Please?
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
Wow!!!
Posted by rollainm (Member # 8318) on :
Could someone email it to me? Please?
My username at bellsouth dot net.
Posted by Shawshank (Member # 8453) on :
Send link to [took e-mail down since TL said he didn't want to comb through thread and I didn't want to leave e-mail address up] Please.
[ July 16, 2007, 10:56 PM: Message edited by: Shawshank ]
Posted by TL (Member # 8124) on :
For the record, I'm not planning to comb through this thread sending emails to people. But if you email me, I will respond.
breyerchic, when was the last time you checked your email?
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
*resists*
*barely*
Posted by rollainm (Member # 8318) on :
Yeah...not into that whole resisting thing.
TL, email sent.
Posted by TL (Member # 8124) on :
Also for the record, I just want to stress again I don't know if this is the real deal.
Posted by GaalDornick (Member # 8880) on :
When the book comes out can you tell us if it is the same? I'm curious now.
Posted by Shawshank (Member # 8453) on :
We know TL- we just don't care. (At least I know, and I don't care.)
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:Originally posted by breyerchic04: Has this worked for anyone other than TL?
Yeah, I've got it. It sure looks legit to me.
Posted by Shanna (Member # 7900) on :
Can we please not post spoilers in this thread? I'm interested in following this to find out if its a hoax or not (some friends of mine are interested) but I don't want to know what happens. I was scrolling to the bottom and read something I don't think I wanted to know.
Maybe a separate thread, please.
Posted by TL (Member # 8124) on :
quote:Can we please not post spoilers in this thread? I'm interested in following this to find out if its a hoax or not (some friends of mine are interested) but I don't want to know what happens. I was scrolling to the bottom and read something I don't think I wanted to know.
Maybe a separate thread, please.
Yeah, I didn't like that too much either, as I'm kind of locked into this thread now.
*glares at Gaal*
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Oh. I thought he was kidding. Like, you know, making something up for the heck of it. Humour value.
Posted by Shanna (Member # 7900) on :
I hope so. I didn't go back to re-read it because I was too busy trying to get my heart started again. haha.
Posted by GaalDornick (Member # 8880) on :
I was asking if this is the same one as the hacker that claimed to have hacked into JK Rowling's account that was talked about on page 2 of the Deathly Hallows theory thread. It was the one that was said to be a hoax.
Don't worry, nothing was spoiled, the spoilers I wrote were the ones that the hacker said were true, but he's a hoax. Sorry. Posted by Shanna (Member # 7900) on :
Oh okay. Totally understandable. Thanks for letting us know!
Posted by TL (Member # 8124) on :
Okay, hold on, this might be fake. Came across a link, here:
Which also purports to have photos of the pages the actual book. This seems to portray an entirely different Chapter Three, which means: we have two separate books. Which one is real? They both may be fake.
Still looking for further info. (Both books seem to have the same Chapter One.)
Posted by rollainm (Member # 8318) on :
But...it looks so real...
Posted by TL (Member # 8124) on :
I know it does, mate.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
The illustration for chapter 3 in the link you provided is the same illustration that they have for chapter seven in the version floating around out there.
Posted by TL (Member # 8124) on :
Does anyone have the inclination to compare the illustrations in the supposedly-leaked version we're all talking about against illustrations in previous Harry Potter books?
Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
Do you really think OSC would approve of using his site to pirate books?
Posted by TL (Member # 8124) on :
Well, I think we've been careful not to use his site to pirate books. I think there has been some link-sharing, all off-site, and hopefully that's okay. I also think that we're all rather unclear on whether or not the links we've shared contain the actual book. And I also think that even if it does, all of us who have shared those links fully intend to (and in some cases already have) give JK Rowling and Scholastic our money. I know I have already paid for my copy.
I think what we're doing here, is using OSC's site to talk about a book. And yes, there is a gray area.
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
It would be nice to more completely compare the two books (am I correct that one of them only has three images?) The titles of the chapters, inasmuch as I can compare them, don't coincide at all.
I am wondering if one of them is real and if there is any way to tell for sure. Certainly at least one isn't, but someone went through a lot for an elaborate hoax!
________
OK, thus far they share the first chapter text, title, and artwork, and the artwork of another chapter, though a different chapter number, title, and text. I think it is safe to say that the artwork is the real stuff, as well as the first chapter (or at least the first page of the first chapter.)
They appear to be put in the order that best suited the fanfic author (whether one or two fanfic authors). I am noticing comparing the chapter names that even though we can't see the all the artwork of the second one, there are chapter titles that can be assumed came from the same artwork. Example: "A Hero's Fall" and "Fallen Warrior".
Now, remember, I can only look at the full artwork of one of them. But so far, it seems to me that the chapter titles shown in the book with only 3 pages more closely ties in with the artwork. That, to me, would be the sign of a fake. The titles in the one I can see all of have surprisingly little to do with the chapter artwork.
So, if I were to hazard a guess as to which is more likely to be the real book, I'd say it's the one we can see all of.
[ July 17, 2007, 01:09 AM: Message edited by: beverly ]
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Well, it would be a lot easier to fake three images than several hundred, but that's no guarantee.
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Also, Rowling might have arranged for the three image version to confuse people, make them less likely to want to read it. It could be set up quickly and easily and could go a long way to discouraging people from reading this one.
Posted by ricree101 (Member # 7749) on :
quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head: Well, it would be a lot easier to fake three images than several hundred, but that's no guarantee.
I'm still a little impressed that someone decided to write a fanfiction that was hundreds of pages long.
Edit:
By the way, I'm referring to some of the other fakes that have been circulating, some of which are quite huge for fan fiction. I haven't seen the one TL is talking about yet.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by ricree101: I'm still a little impressed that someone decided to write a fanfiction that was hundreds of pages long.
You clearly don't read nearly enough fanfic. Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
The biggest red flag for this supposed "leaked page" for me is the chapter title. After six books of avoiding overt religious references beyond the singing of Christmas carols...why would Rowling quote the most famous line from the Book of Ruth?
Nah, this doesn't seem real. Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by Puffy Treat: The biggest red flag for this supposed "leaked page" for me is the chapter title. After six books of avoiding overt religious references beyond the singing of Christmas carols...why would Rowling quote the most famous line from the Book of Ruth?
That was precisely my reaction.
Posted by TL (Member # 8124) on :
In the other version -- the version containing an entire book -- Chapter Three is "The Dursleys Departing". I'm halfway through the book. It's a well-written book. If it's fake I'll eat a hat and post pictures. Of myself. Eating a hat.
Posted by Judas (Member # 7355) on :
wait.. i'm confused.. do we have the real version or no?
Could someone please forward/send??
jackwiggin @ gmail. com
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
quote:Originally posted by rivka:
quote:Originally posted by ricree101: I'm still a little impressed that someone decided to write a fanfiction that was hundreds of pages long.
You clearly don't read nearly enough fanfic.
Yeah. I've read longer.
And an entire two seasons of Lois and Clark. Which were very well done, thanks rivka for pointing them out. Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Judas, I seriously doubt anyone will know whether it's real or not until it comes out in print and that print version can be compared to it.
Also, if you read a little further up the page, he says to email him - he won't respond to requests from the thread itself.
Posted by Judas (Member # 7355) on :
I caught that.. after I calmed down from my excitement, that is.
I hope this book is as dark as it could be..
..judas
Posted by TL (Member # 8124) on :
The link I had is no more. Good luck with other sources. Check the usual places.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by TL: The word "scar" begins the second-to-last sentence. The leak is 759 pages. It consists of photographs of someone holding open every page so the book can be read. Looks real. Could be a hoax, but this would be a heck of a hoax.
I'm trying to think of a sentence -- any sentence -- that could reasonably begin with the word "scar". And I'm coming up blank (other than quotes from Heinlein's Glory Road, anyway).
Posted by Pepek (Member # 3773) on :
Just got the file through some torrent download.
All the images together is around 70 or so MB.
This is the real thing, I have no doubt.
The story is too well crafted to be put together by some fan. Anyone with this writing capability wouldn't be spending their time creating such an elaborate hoax. It appears that some female got their hands on the book, found a secluded location, put the book on the floor and splashed through it with a camera with the pages, from time to time, not being very well opened.
Interested parties should google things like 'DH leak' if they want to find torrents and pdf files. I found at least three different sources just clicking around. One with the full book and the others separated in chunks, usually going from beginning to 490-ish, and the other chunk from there to the end.
I will not post any spoilers, but I would consider sending out an email with small passages that reveal nothing- yet are very intriguing and will make you die with curiousity..
email me if interested or if you have any questions.
PLUS : I didn't copy the links. So don't bother askin.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
Will the REAL version of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows pleas stand up?
Saturday at 12:01 guys....we've got a little over 3_1/2 days. Then there's no guessing.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
I'm downloading a pdf version of the book, I'm skipping out from work today to check on it once its done which should be in about an hour. I'll post whether its legitimate sometime in this thread soon.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
"some female"? And you're basing that on what, exactly?
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
So I'm downloading the one with the images. Luckily, I have a copy of CDisplay (which I use to read comics normally), so I'll be able to read it without it being a major pain.
Be interesting to see if it's the real deal. And since I paid for my copy already, I don't think there's any issue with my downloading it.
Posted by kojabu (Member # 8042) on :
So one version may very well be real.
Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
quote:Originally posted by TL: If it's fake I'll eat a hat and post pictures. Of myself. Eating a hat.
*dips a hat in batter, begins fryin' it up.* Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
Avert your eyes if you don't want to see the title of the first chapter on one of the supposed copies of the book...
Mugglenet put up the first couple of paragraphs of the one with the chapter heading "The Dark Lord Ascending." Is that the one you guys have downloaded? The indication was that the faker did a really good job if it was a fake, because they had pictures of the book and all the chapter headings, complete with artwork.
Muggle net has been ripping it apart and over-analyzing it. There is a punctuation error in the first paragraph which led many to think it's a fake -- but if they read the same copy of book 6 that I did then they should know to expect lots of typos and errors. I imagine they put this book out too quickly as well, without a proper copy edit.
Don't know...only read the bit they had on muggle net and don't want to read more whether it's a fake or real.
Posted by kojabu (Member # 8042) on :
I haven't seen anything, but I've heard there's a complete version of the book in photo form running around.
Posted by MrSquicky (Member # 1802) on :
quote:Subpeona issued to learn identity of the leaker.
Apparently, the Bush administration is citing executive privilege in saying that they don't have to give him or her up. However, sources say that Karl Rove, who is a hardcore Potter fan, has recently become inconsolably sad and appears to haven gotten a tattoo reading "R.I.P. -- HP" on his arm.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Christine -- the paragraph or so on mugglenet matches the full book that is available for download.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Originally posted by MrSquicky:
quote:Subpeona issued to learn identity of the leaker.
Apparently, the Bush administration is citing executive privilege in saying that they don't have to give him or her up. However, sources say that Karl Rove, who is a hardcore Potter fan, has recently become inconsolably sad and appears to haven gotten a tattoo reading "R.I.P. -- HP" on his arm.
Posted by Pepek (Member # 3773) on :
Okay.. I guess it's actually a guy.. the skin looked so smooth I thought it was a females, but the nails aren't taken care of very well.. that and there's an empty soda can knocked over in the pictures. - The book ends on 759. So far i'm in chapter eight and still impressed with this book. - I'd eat TL's hat, chop off my left leg and pull out my wisdom teeth with a fork without using numbing treatments if this isn't the real book.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
I'm on chapter six already, and I'm 95% convinced that this is the real thing. I'll be shocked if it isn't.
So far, there've been about two pages which were too blurry to read. So caveat reader.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
quote:Originally posted by Pepek: Okay.. I guess it's actually a guy.. the skin looked so smooth I thought it was a females, but the nails aren't taken care of very well.. that and there's an empty soda can knocked over in the pictures. - The book ends on 759. So far i'm in chapter eight and still impressed with this book. - I'd eat TL's hat, chop off my left leg and pull out my wisdom teeth with a fork without using numbing treatments if this isn't the real book.
Wow...you'd better be right because I'm going to hold you to that!
Please, those of you reading this potentially valid copy of the book -- NO SPOILERS!! I caught the first paragraph on mugglenet and admittedly, I found it convincing...but I don't want to know (or think I know) any more than that. Even the punctuation error helped convince me. It also has the feel of the other books' openings and began in a way that I would have expected. I won't say anymore than that because I'm not doing spoilers, either...but you can go to www.mugglenet.com and highlight it to see if you're interested.
Posted by MrSquicky (Member # 1802) on :
Am I the only one bothered by the passing around of the leaked copy?
I mean, it's not just illegal, it's against the very emphastic wishes of the author. And, it's not like she's holding up the release to rake in more cash or pulling a Wheel of Time thing. She's been, as far as I can tell, very good to fans and also delivered an extremely good (so far) 7 volume series.
I don't know. To me, reading the book 3 days before it comes out isn't worth either participating in illegal activies or especially disrespecting the author like this.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:I don't know. To me, reading the book 3 days before it comes out isn't worth either participating in illegal activies or especially disrespecting the author like this.
I've never heard Rowling comment on reading leaked copies of her book, by people who have preordered or are still going to buy the book come release date. I hesitate to ask it, but do you have some sort of link where Rowling's opinions on the matter are laid out?
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade:
quote:I don't know. To me, reading the book 3 days before it comes out isn't worth either participating in illegal activies or especially disrespecting the author like this.
I've never heard Rowling comment on reading leaked copies of her book, by people who have preordered or are still going to buy the book come release date. I hesitate to ask it, but do you have some sort of link where Rowling's opinions on the matter are laid out?
Her specific comments are not about people who do or do not intend to buy the book. It's more to do with spoilers. She emphatically doesn't want people to obtain and ruin the book for other people. This is why I asked (above) that people please, please, please not spoil this for us (whether it's real or not). Rowling is emphatically anti-spoiler, and this is true after the release as well.
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
quote:Am I the only one bothered by the passing around of the leaked copy?
No, you're not. It's funny the things people wind up agreeing on.
So why am I reading this thread? I guess the fact that it had grown to three pages sparked my curiosity. If I had been spoiled, it would have been my own dang fault. Have you posted at all on the theory thread, Squicky? *goes to check*
Posted by hansenj (Member # 4034) on :
I have mixed feelings on the matter. I agree with the people who justify it by saying they are stil buying (or have bought) a copy of the book. Also, the only reason the release date is so specific and enforced is because of the popularity of the Harry Potter books. I once went into a bookstore about three days before an OSC book was supposed to be released (I think it was Shadow Puppets) and they already had it on the shelves. I wasn't expecting it, but since it was there I bought it and read it that day. So, it would seem that I'm on the side of those who are reading it...but I can't bring myself to read it. I just can't! It's a strange predicament.
Posted by breyerchic04 (Member # 6423) on :
Since Harry Potter though they have been less likely to do that. I saw the third of the Divine Secrets of the Ya Ya Sisterhood books out at Sams Club a week before the release but they wouldn't let me buy it once I got to the cash register.
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
Depends on the book. "Will the Vampire People Please Leave the Lobby?" by Allyson Beatrice (think David Sedaris writing about being a Buffy fan) is not supposed to be released until August 1, but a special arrangement with Barnes and Noble got it on the shelves and in their online store two weeks early.
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
Noooo, don't spoil Vampire people for me!!!! Do not want!11!
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by MrSquicky: Am I the only one bothered by the passing around of the leaked copy?
I mean, it's not just illegal, it's against the very emphastic wishes of the author. And, it's not like she's holding up the release to rake in more cash or pulling a Wheel of Time thing. She's been, as far as I can tell, very good to fans and also delivered an extremely good (so far) 7 volume series.
I don't know. To me, reading the book 3 days before it comes out isn't worth either participating in illegal activies or especially disrespecting the author like this.
I agree with you.
In any case, given a choice between finishing re-reading HP5 (only a few pages left, but my eyes wouldn't stay open last night after about 2 am) and HP6 and straining my eyes to read blurry duplicates of what may or may not be the book I'll have in my hand in a few days, it's not even a contest.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
I'm probably going to get flamed for saying this, but I don't care -- I'm really annoyed to see a "Spoilers" thread up over 3 days before the release.
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
Now oddly, while I do object to downloading the book, do I object to reading the spoilers thread? I mean, since the book may be a fraud, the spoilers thread may just be gossip. Ooooh. Must fight Satan.... I mean, I guess the real question for me is whether I'll flip to the end of the book. I have to weigh that against the chances someone's going to spoil it for me before I have the opportunity to finish.
Posted by kojabu (Member # 8042) on :
quote:Originally posted by rivka:
quote:Originally posted by MrSquicky: Am I the only one bothered by the passing around of the leaked copy?
I mean, it's not just illegal, it's against the very emphastic wishes of the author. And, it's not like she's holding up the release to rake in more cash or pulling a Wheel of Time thing. She's been, as far as I can tell, very good to fans and also delivered an extremely good (so far) 7 volume series.
I don't know. To me, reading the book 3 days before it comes out isn't worth either participating in illegal activies or especially disrespecting the author like this.
I agree with you.
In any case, given a choice between finishing re-reading HP5 (only a few pages left, but my eyes wouldn't stay open last night after about 2 am) and HP6 and straining my eyes to read blurry duplicates of what may or may not be the book I'll have in my hand in a few days, it's not even a contest.
thread hijack: I'm desperately trying to finish them all before Friday. I've read 1, almost done with 2, and I just finished listening to 6 this morning. My friend has 3-5 on CD so I'm borrowing 5 next. I know it's out of order, but if I can listen to the longer books and read the shorter ones, I might be able to get through most of them. Maybe...
Posted by Strider (Member # 1807) on :
this book is definitely legit.
but it's incredibly frustrating trying to read some of these pages. especially when the text is illegible at a really important part!
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Christine: I'm probably going to get flamed for saying this, but I don't care -- I'm really annoyed to see a "Spoilers" thread up over 3 days before the release.
Why? In all honesty, I don't understand. It's not something beyond getting the book early; it's part and parcel. Should those of us who've gotten to read it early not be able to talk about it?
Some people read faster than others. Some people who get the book on Saturday will be finished with it by the time I would have been able to start reading it. Is that fair? They can discuss it and I can't?
And I can't get the book on Saturday. If it happens to show up on Saturday in the mail (I got the free shipping from Amazon, so it may not, but it's possible that it will anyway), I can't even open it until about 9pm. And meanwhile, everyone else is already reading it.
I haven't stolen the book; I paid for it, and have the opportunity to read it early. I can't fathom what moral issue there could be here.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
It does not annoy me that people are discussing the book before I've finished it. I am absolutely certain that will be the case as I'm sue it will take me until Tuesday or Wednesday to read it at a non-hurried pace. I'm not desperate to be the first one to read it.
What annoys me is flaunting the fact that you've read it before it was released (assuming that the copy is legit -- which seems likely). I think it's a bad idea to read a stolen copy on principle.
Posted by Damien.m (Member # 8462) on :
To be honest I really wanted to read the leaked copy. I even downloaded it, made myself a cup of tea and sat down in bed with my laptop. But then I read the dedication page. Where Jo thanks all us LOYAL fans for sticking with Harry right to the very end. And after that I just couldnt do it. I felt too guilty. So I deleted everything. I feel really proud and I am thrilled with myself but at the same time Im kicking myself. It will all be worth it come Saturday when Ill feel like a true fan and feel that Ive stuck by Jo and her strict non spoiler policy.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:Originally posted by Zeugma: I can't believe you guys are happily discussing a pirated book here, of all places.
Well, I tried discussing it on the RIAA forums...
Posted by Shawshank (Member # 8453) on :
Damien.n
I'm not spoiling it for others. I am buying my own copy and will read it on Saturday. But I don't spoil books for others (I spoil them on myself- I always peek ahead right to where somebody dies- I've done that the past two books)
Posted by Damien.m (Member # 8462) on :
Oh sorry I should have made myself clearer. I wasnt saying anyone here would spoil it. I was just saying that Id rather go along with Jo's wishes and get it when everyone else gets it.
Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
From what I can gather from the news, three different versions of this "every page scanned" Deathly Hallows file are circulating the net, each contradicting each other on major points.
The legal action being taken by Scholastic should not be taken as verification of the files being true, so much as they are a fight to protect copyright.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:The legal action being taken by Scholastic should not be taken as verification of the files being true, so much as they are a fight to protect copyright.
If the files are false, then how can Scholastic claim copyright?
Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
The person or persons involved do not own the legal rights to the book title, characters, and related content.
Unlike fan-fic, which is (usually) clearly labeled as such, these files are claiming to be the book Scholastic own the rights to, being released before the street date.
Legally, this could be viewed as challenging their copyright.
Even under "fair use", claiming you are reproducing material they own without their permission, for purposes that have nothing to do with review or satire...well, that's something they crack down on.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Good point.
Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
To give a good example, Marvel Comics cannot ever release a comic starring "Batman". They can (and have) made parodies of Batman, they can have characters in their comics comment on the recent Batman movie...but they can never publish a Batman comic without permission from DC Comics.
If they did, DC would still have the right to get AOL/Time-Warner's lawyers down on them, even if they said "Whoa! It was just a fake! Just a joke! AIIEEE!" Posted by Amilia (Member # 8912) on :
quote:I'm probably going to get flamed for saying this, but I don't care -- I'm really annoyed to see a "Spoilers" thread up over 3 days before the release.
If it makes you feel any better, there are no actual spoilers being discussed as of yet in either of the spoiler threads. And the "Official" spoiler thread was only started by sarcasticmuppet so as to get a jump on Saturday. Apparently she was the one who started the threads on books 5 & 6 and wanted to keep with tradition.
Posted by Tara (Member # 10030) on :
What I don't understand is why you would sit and squint at your computer screen all the way through a book you've (probably) been looking forward to for ages, when you could hold the real, physical, and legal copy in your hands in three days.
The way I see it, you're spoiling it for yourself. Even if I had a pirated copy, I wouldn't read it. And make sure you pay JK Rowling.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:I haven't stolen the book
I disagree. You paid for a copy that has not yet arrived. The one you have is stolen.
quote:What annoys me is flaunting the fact that you've read it before it was released. I think it's a bad idea to read a stolen copy on principle.
Agreed.
quote:I can't believe you guys are happily discussing a pirated book here, of all places.
Agreed.
quote:Id rather go along with Jo's wishes and get it when everyone else gets it.
Agreed.
quote:From what I can gather from the news, three different versions of this "every page scanned" Deathly Hallows file are circulating the net, each contradicting each other on major points.
I will be greatly amused -- but slightly surprised -- if they all turn out to be fakes.
quote:What I don't understand is why you would sit and squint at your computer screen all the way through a book you've (probably) been looking forward to for ages, when you could hold the real, physical, and legal copy in your hands in three days.
SO agreed.
Posted by rollainm (Member # 8318) on :
I gave up after a few pages. It was just too painful on the eyes.
It would be rather amusing if they were all fakes - written and ciculated by Rowling herself!
Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
More than one news site has speculated that the "scanned page" files are deliberate red herrings. Hmmm...
Posted by TL (Member # 8124) on :
Oh no! Look -- look what they're doing! They're reading! A BOOK. How could they? How could they do that? How dare they read a book four days before its official release date. Why would they do that?! Come on! Reading is morally wrong, if not done in the properly approved time and manner! Everyone KNOWS this. Outrageous! Quickly -- think of things to call them! Think of things to accuse them of! They're reading! They're FLAUNTING the fact that they're reading! THIS WILL NOT STAND.
Posted by TL (Member # 8124) on :
I'm finished with the book. It was terrific. Highly recommended. Very satisfying. No chance it's not real. None.
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
There was a news article I can only imagine was about this on a neighboring suite's doorstep this morning. I have to say if I could find that article I would probably read it.
I do feel it's wrong to be reading the pirated copy, but I don't feel it's wrong enough to condemn a lot of the people who are doing it as strongly as I might.
I'd feel bad if my daughter got into reading such a copy and it turned out to be fake. If she read it not knowing it was fake, it would distort her experience of the characters and story. It's one thing to read the bootleg knowing it might not be accurate. It's another if you don't have the maturity to distinguish between that possibility and the security of waiting for the real thing.
I wonder at the motive of the people who are distributing these things, especially the discrepancied ones that have to be fake. I guess it might be like how the Simpsons studio animated 3 endings to the over-hyped "who shot Mr. Burns" conclusion. The sheer cheesiness of photographing the book held open puzzles me as well, like it wouldn't be much easier to saw the binding off and run it through a feeder. "Awe"thenticity indeed.
Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
I'd say don't bother trying to read these things. Not because they may be fake or for moral reasons, but do you really want the Harry Potter worm on your computer turning various things into Harry potter characters? It makes me laugh inwardly, but still.
Posted by Damien.m (Member # 8462) on :
Heres two tidbits from the publishers and Rowling regarding the leak...
From Scholastic:
quote: PRESS RELEASE: Scholastic has recently learned that some individuals have received copies of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows through the mail , beginning on Tuesday, July 17th, as a result of a breach of the on-sale agreement by the distributor, Levy Home Entertainment, and shipments made by DeepDiscount.com, a customer of that distributor. We are taking immediate legal action against DeepDiscount.com and Levy Home Entertainment. The number of copies shipped is around one one-hundredth of one percent of the total U.S. copies to go on sale at 12:01 am on July 21st.
We are also making a direct appeal to the Harry Potter fans who bought their books from DeepDiscount.com and may receive copies early requesting that they keep the packages hidden until midnight on July 21st.
Scholastic is especially grateful to the other retailers and distributors for their careful attention to keeping the books secure until the release time and for planning thousands of spectacular midnight parties where fans will celebrate together. And we ask everyone, especially the media, to preserve the fun and excitement for fans everywhere.
The fans themselves have made it abundantly clear that they are looking forward to going to the midnight parties, receiving their very own copy of the book and finally getting to read the book they have so anxiously awaited.
And from Jo:
quote: We are almost there! As launch night looms, let's all, please, ignore the misinformation popping up on the web and in the press on the plot of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows. I'd like to ask everyone who calls themselves a Potter fan to help preserve the secrecy of the plot for all those who are looking forward to reading the book at the same time on publication day. In a very short time you will know EVERYTHING!
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
I want everybody east of the West Coast to refrain from reading their books until it's midnight here.
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
I will if you'll get up at 6 a.m. my time and drive me to work.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Done.
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
Oh, yeah, and you have to dump the polar bear for me too.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head: I want everybody east of the West Coast to refrain from reading their books until it's midnight here.
No problem. I'm picking it up at midnight but then getting a good night's sleep. I'll probably start around 8 a.m., which should be after everyone's had a chance to get the book. Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
*gives Christine a get-out-of-jail-free card*
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
*checks said card for telltale signs of forgery*
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head: I want everybody east of the West Coast to refrain from reading their books until it's midnight here.
I'll do you one better. I won't begin reading mine until at least 9 pm Saturday, and quite likely later.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Are you east of the West Coast area, Rivka?
Then I wasn't talking to you.
[ July 18, 2007, 09:53 PM: Message edited by: mr_porteiro_head ]
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
When has not being the addressee ever stopped me from responding?
Posted by Shanna (Member # 7900) on :
Can someone send me a message with links to the real spoiled ending? I don't want to know but my boyfriend who is too busy to read the book for awhile wants to know now.
So yeah, if you got links to the ending, send them my way. Nothing else. Thanks.
(We can send PMs on this forum, right? I've never tried. Or does someone need my email address?)
Posted by TheBlueShadow (Member # 9718) on :
I'm another on the east coast that won't be reading it for a while.
Not only do I have to drive home, but then I have to wait on the mail.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by Shanna: (We can send PMs on this forum, right? I've never tried. Or does someone need my email address?)
Not exactly. You can be sent an email through the board. Sometimes it works, sometimes not so much.
Anyway, you have an email address listed in your profile.
Posted by Strider (Member # 1807) on :
I'm going to be on a camping/white water rafting trip all weekend! I booked it before I knew the importance of this weekend. I've started the leaked copy, i'll probably be anywhere from 1/3 to 2/5ths done before I leave, which won't put me *too* far behind everyone else when I get back on sunday. frustration! I'm consciously trying not to read too much because I'd rather have the book in my hands.
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
The baltimore sun article is linked from wikipedia. I don't know what it reveals, but I did just dream that Crookshanks was Harry's mother. If Snape brought her back to Dumbledore that night, that would cinch his case pretty tight. It's out there, it would be so weird if I were right and no one would believe me because I'm from Baltimore. I was just dreaming about hints on the wiki of deathly hallows where Rowling says someone's not really dead, and we learn something important about Lily, and Harry has his mother's eyes, and something about how Dumbledore was afraid to look in them The Snape connection didn't occur to me until I started posting about it. Maaaaan... I got to get back to bed so I can go to sleep, but I am so wired.
Posted by Strider (Member # 1807) on :
i'm pretty sure that Lily's dead. Otherwise why would she have come out of Voldemort's wand in the graveyard scene?
but those were some interesting thoughts. I'm really curious as to what will come of Harry having his mother's eyes. it got mentioned *so* often that if it doesn't turn out to be important in some way, I'll be let down.
There *are* a lot of questions about Godric's Hollow and the night of the Potters' death that have been mulling around in my head though.
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
Well, the shadows that came out of Voldemort's wand were just shadows, not actual souls. If someone were cursed, would it matter whether the residual were still alive or still dead? But HP lexicon refers to Crookshanks as "he" so I think that's less likely. Later I dreamed my husband bought a pig and a lamb, and they didn't get along.
Posted by solo (Member # 3148) on :
Plus, it's been stated by Rowling that Crookshanks is not an Animagus (he is likely a half-Kneazle)
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
I never said it was an animagus, more likely a horcrux formed when the curse backfired, if we are working on an assumption that Voldemort sneezes out accidental horcruxes like Harry's scar. Well, it's my out-there bizarre theory based on snippets from the Deathly Hallows wikipedia section on hints from Rowling:
quote:Asked which five of her characters she would like to invite to dinner, she chose Harry, Hermione and Ron, but then hesitated before choosing her last characters, saying "See... I know who's actually dead," unsure whether she was permitted to invite those who are 'dead'.[42]
quote:J. K. Rowling said in 2001 that Harry might get another pet at some point.[35] Although Buckbeak may have filled this role (Harry obtained possession of the Hippogriff after the death of Sirius Black, albeit under Hagrid's care), she also hinted that Fawkes, Dumbledore's phoenix, might have another role.[36] We will learn something very important about Lily: Now, the important thing about Harry's mother - the really, really significant thing - you're going to find out in two parts. You'll find out a lot more about her in book five, or you'll find out something very significant about her in book five, and you'll find out something incredibly important about her in book seven.
—– J. K. Rowling[37] Rowling has long said that the fact that Harry has "his mother's eyes" is "very important."[38] Severus Snape has been an important and enigmatic character throughout the books, as his true loyalty has always remained unclear. It is to be anticipated that as a surviving major character, his loyalty will be settled in the final confrontation of the book.[39][40] Questioner: There’s an important kind of redemptive pattern to Snape. Rowling: He, um, there’s so much I wish I could say to you, and I can't because it would ruin. I promise you, whoever asked that question, can I just say to you that I'm slightly stunned that you've said that and you'll find out why I'm so stunned if you read Book Seven. That's all I’m going to say.[37]
quote:she created a NAQ section of her website, in tribute to the girl who asked the question. In her NAQ section, she states: Why did Dumbledore have James' invisibility cloak at the time of James' death, given that Dumbledore could make himself invisible without a cloak?
On 29 September 2006, she revealed that Severus Snape was not under the cloak the night of the Potters' death in the Rumours Section of her website.
There's room in these statements for Lily to not actually be dead and for her to have been under James' invisibility cloak, and Snape brought her back to Dumbledore. Maybe. I'm just messing around here. It's an ironclad reason for Dumbledore to trust him, don't you think?
Though it would mean Hermione dies, I think, and that would make me really really sad.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
Why would it mean that?
Posted by solo (Member # 3148) on :
quote:Originally posted by pooka: I never said it was an animagus, more likely a horcrux formed when the curse backfired, if we are working on an assumption that Voldemort sneezes out accidental horcruxes like Harry's scar.
But why would Lily turn into a half-kneazle when a curse backfired to create a horcrux? I'm having a really hard time following that logic.
Posted by Damien.m (Member # 8462) on :
First let me say that there are now eleven Harry Potter threads in the first two pages of this forum! Obsession is not a strong enough word for us!
And second of all LILLY POTTER IS DEAD!!! There is so much evidence for this that I find it hard to believe that anyones actually questioning this! Firstly Jo has repeatedly said that she is in fact dead. And secondly, it was Lilly's sacrifice that enabled Harry to survive the Avada Kedavara.
Posted by GaalDornick (Member # 8880) on :
quote: Asked which five of her characters she would like to invite to dinner, she chose Harry, Hermione and Ron, but then hesitated before choosing her last characters, saying "See... I know who's actually dead," unsure whether she was permitted to invite those who are 'dead'.[42]
So that means none of those 3 will die, according to her.
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