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Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
 
While chatting with some online friends last night, we discussed recent movies.

(Puffy Treat chats about movies? Surprise, surprise!)

I stated that I didn't enjoy Michael Bay's Transformers movie all that much. In fact, long stretches of it left me bored, mind wandering, in a stupor.

Someone who absolutely loved the movie told me I was "uptight" and "thought every movie has to be deep and meaningful, some movies are just meant to be fun!"

Really? That's the reason why I disliked Transformers? Because I hate fun?

I logged off. The discussion was rapidly deteriorating by that point.

I should have pointed out that one of my favorite movies of all time is Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, and I openly admit to loving National Treasure.

Dude, I even once stated on this very board that I thought Sky-freakin'-High was "kinda neat"!

I think being "dumb fun summer movie" should not give said movie a free pass. There are dumb fun summer movies that still manage to be GOOD movies I can watch again and again. Am I really being an uptight jerk by thinking that way?
 

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Posted by Brinestone (Member # 5755) on :
 
Wow. Jon Boy and I just had this exact conversation on another forum.
 

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Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
 
Synchronism at work?
 

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Posted by erosomniac (Member # 6834) on :
 
While I certainly think there are people who are "uptight" and "[think] every movie has to be deep and meaningful," I think it's silly to jump to the conclusion that someone fits that bill purely because they disliked ONE movie.

Edit to expand: I agree there are a lot of movies which are obvious popcorn flicks but are still a lot of fun to watch. Michael Bay even made one of my favorite popcorn flicks: The Rock.
 

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Posted by Bob the Lawyer (Member # 3278) on :
 
Sky High was neat, and Transformers was pretty boring. I go yo' back on this one, P. Treat.
 

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Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
 
Here's a great article on the subject. I especially like the part where he quotes someone who talks about liking good fun movies like Aliens and Raiders of the Lost Ark. I'd been thinking the same thing before I read the article. And here's another one more specifically on the subject of review rage.
 

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Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
 
Well I wouldn't say that uptightness is a lack of enjoying fun. To me it just means that your definition of what relaxes you when it comes to fun is more limited.

Some people have an easier time having fun then others. Die Hard 4 to me was fun, I just enjoyed it, it won't EVER win an oscar, but so what? If they had just parsed the "action sequences and witty dialogue" and then completely omitted everything else it would have ceased to be fun for me.

Nothing wrong with being a slightly harder sell, or for enjoying movies more movies then most.

Extremes in either direction can be problematic.

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Now to summarize all of that in one word,

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Posted by 0Megabyte (Member # 8624) on :
 
Meh. I'd rather watch something like Children of Men than Transformers anyway.
 

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Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
 
I enjoyed the Eric Snider stuff.
 

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Posted by TL (Member # 8124) on :
 
Puffy, yes! Thank you.

It is so frustrating to be told, "You only didn't like [insert movie] because of X". And X is some personal defect like I can't have fun.

Excuse me? What are you, my psychiatrist? You don't get to tell me my person defects based on what movies I don't like. That's not allowed. That's not cool.

Especially when the movie is as mind-numbingly horrible as Transformers. (My opinion*TM)

It's as though they're angry that you don't enjoy what they enjoy, and some weird part of their brain has to try to dismiss you.

I LOVE HAVING FUN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
 

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Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
 
I think they're angry because if you're saying that you didn't enjoy it or that it's a bad movie, then you must be saying that they have bad taste.
 

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Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
 
Or maybe you're just saying you didn't enjoy the movie.

Now, there are lines that can be crossed. I used to know one guy on another message board who found it impossible to criticize a piece of entertainment without also bashing anyone who enjoyed it as "stupid" or "part of the problem that's killing _____" or "YOU are the reason why people HATE genre fans", stuff to that effect.

But as long as someone hasn't gotten personal and hostile, I don't think a negative opinion should make someone insecure.
 

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Posted by Enigmatic (Member # 7785) on :
 

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I stated that I didn't enjoy Michael Bay's Transformers movie all that much. In fact, long stretches of it left me bored, mind wandering, in a stupor.

Someone who absolutely loved the movie told me I was "uptight" and "thought every movie has to be deep and meaningful, some movies are just meant to be fun!"

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The funniest part of this to me is that if you said a "fun" movie had long stretches that left you "bored" my conclusion would be the opposite: That you didn't think Transformers was fun enough. If you'd said the movie was just stupid, than maybe I'd think you like more serious movies.

A comparison for me is two Vs. movies of recent years, both stupid fun but one worked for me and one didn't. I like Aliens, I like Predator, I thought Alien Vs Predator was actually pretty dull with only a few decent scenes. Way too much time setting stuff up with the human characters (I don't see "humans" anywhere in that title ) and not nearly enough aliens fighting predators.
On the other hand, I loved Freddy Vs Jason. Jason kills some kids, then Freddy kills some kids, then they fight in the dream world, then they fight in the real world. When you really look at it, these two movies have almost the same basic plot, but the pacing and payoffs are different. /siderant.

--Enigmatic
 

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Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
 
I really enjoyed Transformers, but I don't think Puffy Treat is anti-fun. Just thought I'd mention so people who liked Transformers don't all get tarred with the same brush.
 

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Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
 
If you didn't like transformers, you're a terrorist.
 

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Posted by JumboWumbo (Member # 10047) on :
 
My brother uses a similar argumentative method for music. I strongly dislike my brother's taste in music (i.e. Jimi Hendrix, Bob Dylan, Neil young) and whenever I ask him to turn it down or off completely, he'll argue the point that I simply don't know what good music is. I've tried explaining to him that music is a matter of personal taste, and arguing isn't likely to change one's feelings about it, but he keeps on, never letting up. In my defense, I've explained that I DO appreciate and respect the talents of Jimi Hendrix and Bob Dylan respectively, it's just not the type of music I'd choose to listen to.

On a more pertinent note, I haven't seen Transformers, but I don't think a disposition to the movie equates a hatred for all types of fun.
 

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Posted by Shanna (Member # 7900) on :
 
I got the same argument from my entire family when I voiced my disappointment with Spiderman 3 and PotC 3.

While I do like serious and deep movies, I like to have fun and enjoy a good comedy or action flick when I'm in the mood. My favorite movie of the summer is "Hot Fuzz" which had plenty of explosions and silly humor.

I just think there's a distinction between "fun summer movie" and "trash."
 

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Posted by The Pixiest (Member # 1863) on :
 
I liked the rock. I even enjoyed The island up to a point.

The reason I thought Transformers was a paragon of suck had nothing to do with not liking fun movies. I'll still pop in Independance Day sometimes just for a hoot and I love Men In Black. I love fun and I love movies of all kinds. Transformers just didn't appeal to me on any level.

As a side note, Aliens is more than just a "fun" movie, but this is a topic for another thread.
 

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Posted by Javert Hugo (Member # 3980) on :
 
For a fun summer movie, Live Free or Die Hard was excellent.
 

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Posted by vonk (Member # 9027) on :
 
I can't wait to see Transformers. It's gonna be hella cool, totally tubular and bodaciously bad. Same with Die Hard 4. But if you don't want to see them, that's fine with me.

However, I can also see where someone would get the opinion described in the OP. Especially with the recent rash of remakes, too frequently you hear constant barrages of "that's not how it's supposed to happen" or "that's not cannon" as an explanation of why the movie will be/is bad. Who cares? It's a different medium telling a different story. Just because it's not what you liked in childhood doesn't mean you won't like it now, unless you go in there determined to be critical.

I'm not saying you or anyone else here is doing that, but I've heard a lot of opinions based on 'original cannon' arguments, and that type of argument seems to dictate that the seriousness or correctness is more important than the fun, the action scenes, the cool characters or the special effects. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, but that is how it comes across.
 

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Posted by camus (Member # 8052) on :
 

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It is so frustrating to be told, "You only didn't like [insert movie] because of X". And X is some personal defect like I can't have fun.

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Another example of this that I hate is being told that I didn't like a movie because I didn't understand it.

Additionally, people many times assume that if you didn't enjoy the movie, then that means you hate the movie or think it's a bad movie, which is many times not true. In fact, I'd even say that there are movies that I didn't particularly enjoy but which I wouldn't say I disliked either.
 

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Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
 
See, now, I just had the opposite experience. I loved the most recent Harry Potter movie, and documented all the reasons why I loved it. I've had several people (not on this board, so don't worry) insinuate that I a)didn't read the books, b) didn't understand the books, c)didn't care about the books, d)am daft in the head, or e)was asleep during the movie because they just couldn't understand why I loved what they viewed as the most catastrophic occurrence in the world to date. It was highly insulting, and I have to admit that I called these people uptight and anti-fun in my brain.

edit - a bit too much vitriol. What I was going to say is, you are NOT anti-fun, Puffy. It's ok to like or dislike something if you can do it without ruining someone else's experience of the said something.

[ July 13, 2007, 05:45 PM: Message edited by: Narnia ]
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
I thought Transformers was awesome, and I thought Harry Potter was enjoyable, but left a lot to be desired. I liked Die Hard 4 too.

Sometimes I get annoyed at the "awesomely bad" title that some movies, like some summer popcorn flicks, get branded with. I don't think Transformers was awesomely bad, it was just awesome. If you enjoyed it, it wasn't a bad movie, even if it isn't going to win an Oscar.

If you don't like it, you don't like it, maybe it just wasn't your thing. If Puffy didn't like Transformers, no one should try to convince him he's WRONG not to like it, it just wasn't his thing.

I love movies like ID4, The Rock, Transformers, the Die Hard series, the Indiana Jones movies, and everything related to them. I don't necessarily find them deep, but they're a hell of a ride, and great movies for that reason alone.
 

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Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
 
I hate most fun movies.
Bad dialogue, cheesy stories. There's only a handful that are not so bad, but most of them. YUCK.
I also dislike most of the HP movies.
And 90% of chick flicks too. bleh.
They should make a movie with no dialogue, just stuff getting blown up.
I'd watch that.
That would be an awesome movie.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Check out Jerry Bruckheimer's IMDB page, if there's anything like that coming up soon, that'll be the place to look.
 

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Posted by Sterling (Member # 8096) on :
 
I can't say I'm astonished that someone might make the assertion, though it sounds like they were wrong to do so.

I think everyone who reads movie reviews has probably read at least one review where it seemed like the burden of experience was weighing down the reviewer; the movie under review suffered not necessarily because the movie was bad, but because the reviewer was unable to approach it as a fresh experience, at least on the day in question. I seem to remember one season that had at least three movies with previews describing terrorist plots, leading up to the narrator saying "...but there's one thing they didn't count on!" (shot of hero.) If you were Die Hard Rip-Off number 4, it doesn't matter if you were the best Die Hard Rip-Off of the season; you were probably still going to get knocked down.

Now, Puffy? You're a film buff. (bow) You manage to glean bits of information before most other people, and I'm sure I've heard of more than a few interesting upcoming movies earlier than I would have because of you. But with that reputation, it's not impossible to understand that someone might think your dislike of a movie like "Transformers" comes from viewing through the lens of a greater depth of experience, and perhaps a higher standard than the "typical film goer" (whoever that might be.)

I'm not saying they're correct to think so. But, in a sense, you might be getting a backhanded compliment.
 

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Posted by vonk (Member # 9027) on :
 

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Sometimes I get annoyed at the "awesomely bad" title that some movies, like some summer popcorn flicks, get branded with. I don't think Transformers was awesomely bad, it was just awesome. If you enjoyed it, it wasn't a bad movie, even if it isn't going to win an Oscar.

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I don't know if this is in reference to my "bodaciously bad" comment, but just in case: I was using "bad" to mean "good", in order to keep with the killer 80s theme I was using. (<--"killer" is a good thing in this case )
 

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Posted by docmagik (Member # 1131) on :
 
I didn't like Transformers. And I'm tempted to say that it was because Transformers wasn't what I wanted it to be.

However, Live Free or Die Hard wasn't even remotely what I wanted it to be either, but I really dug what that movie actually was.

So I think it's more than just my expectations getting in the way of my enjoyment.
 

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Posted by Wowbagger the Infinitely Prolonged (Member # 7476) on :
 
I really wanted to like transformers, I really did. I'm one of the people that loved Con Air and the Rock etc. The movie was just plain to long for my taste. They spent way to much time on the human story lines. I personally didn't care about the hacker storyline, or the sector 7 guy. Meanwhile they skimped on the Transformers Character development. The Autobots got few min introduction and the Decepticons got to say their names. The long stretches of no action killed the movie for me.
 

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Posted by Boris (Member # 6935) on :
 

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Originally posted by 0Megabyte:
Meh. I'd rather watch something like Children of Men than Transformers anyway.

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Children of Men...now there's a movie without a single character I actually cared about (Except Michael Cane's...but only cause..well, it's Michael Cane). Cinematography, awesome. But I felt like the whole movie just got lost in its own pretentiousness. Ha I like that phrase.
 

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Posted by Eaquae Legit (Member # 3063) on :
 
I'm looking forward to Transformers. I mostly just want to watch them blow stuff up and/or smash it cheerfully. I'm not hard to please, sometimes.
 

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Posted by Altáriël of Dorthonion (Member # 6473) on :
 
I liked transformers from a techy point of view. The visuals were AMAZING. But...the story was anticlimatic to say the least.
 

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Posted by TL (Member # 8124) on :
 

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But I felt like the whole movie just got lost in its own pretentiousness. Ha I like that phrase.

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It's like, they took a Michael Bay movie script... And then they had some Hollywood hacks add some cliches...

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I think the next time a someone in a movie meeting says, "And then, for lack of any better ideas of what to do about the new menace, the military/government experts hand the reins over to the spunky teenagers and mavericks", the person so saying should be immediately shot.

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I didn't like Transformers. And I'm tempted to say that it was because Transformers wasn't what I wanted it to be.

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See, this was my major fear when I heard Transformers was announced.

So, in preparation, I read every terrible review I could find in order to lower my expectations. I made it to the point that I *didn't* want to see the movie, and I would have preferred to see Ratatouille or Harry Potter.

I then went to see it and I really enjoyed it - mostly because I was expecting it to be awful.

Even if it stole a major plot line from one of my most hated movies (ID4), I got by that because I had fun. I sufficiently checked my brain at the door, and went along for the ride.

And it helped that Megan Fox is haawwwwt.
 

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Posted by Nick (Member # 4311) on :
 
I personally liked Transformers quite a bit. I did feel like the Autobots and Decepticons should have had more introductions, but they could be setting it up for a sequel, or even the dreaded prequel! Other than that, I thought it was a fine movie. I had to turn my brain off a few times, but I have to do that with most movies.

I've had discussions about the movie with people who hated it and they were at least as condescending to a person who enjoyed the movie(me). They told me that I was stupid to like movies like that, and went into detail with the very complaints some of you have expressed as proof that it was a bad movie. There are people on both sides that judge people based on their liking of the movie.
 

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Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
 
Nick, you're far from the first person in this thread to post that you liked the movie. Nor did anyone say that this was a one-sided thing.

I myself said that one should not get personal, especially when its about something like a movie.

I don't have to turn my brain off with movies I like, as if the movie is truly fun to me...then my mind an imagination is engaged, no matter how silly.

That didn't happen with Transformers. And maintain it being a "dumb fun summer blockbuster" should -not- give it a free pass, review-wise.
 

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Posted by FlyingCow (Member # 2150) on :
 
See, Puffy, I like cotton candy. I also like steak.

I wouldn't compare steak to cotton candy in terms of enjoyment, because they are two entirely different things enjoyed in two entirely different ways.

Sure, you can compare them based on nutritional value - and steak would come out way ahead. But, I don't compare movies that way, really.

There are cotton candy movies which are tasty fluff: Fantastic Four, Transformers, etc.

Then there are steak movies which are more fulfilling: Usual Suspects, LA Confidential, etc.

I can't compare those to each other, though. And just because I ignore nutritional value (aka, check my brain at the door), it doesn't mean the movie isn't any good.
 

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Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
 
It seems to me that a steak is more objectively good, while cotton candy is not so much. It just makes some people sick. But just because I dislike cotton candy doesn't mean I dislike candy in general.
 

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Posted by rollainm (Member # 8318) on :
 
Where do Sour Patch Kids and Pop Rocks fit in this metaphor?
 

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Posted by Earendil18 (Member # 3180) on :
 
There's a line that Anton Ego said in "Ratatouille" that I think describes where critics are coming from.

"I don't like food, I love it. If I don't love it, I don't swallow."

Same with movies. I know what I love and I hope a movie will meet that bar. I've never been one of those "B" movie lovers, but I know plenty of people who have collections of B movies. Sorry, it's like having a junior orchestra try and play your favorite symphony, but without success. I'm not going to lower the bar because it happens to be summer.

See, I won't even be seeing Transformers until it comes out on DVD.

Why? Because I missed the whole craze when I was a kid. I don't have happy childhood memories of "wow! this is so cool!" moments when it comes to Transformers. I've never been crazy on big robots, I don't have that gene. Series like Evangelion, Gundam Wing, et al, I've never gone crazy for.

The closest robot loving I experienced was reading the novelization of the Robotech series by Jack McKinney, and that's because it had interesting characters, aliens, transforming aircraft, cool art covers, etc. (Because I had an ideal vision from the books, the anime clashed badly with me, so I don't like the anime ironically)

So this idea of "not enjoying fun movies" isn't valid.

Fun movie == something I enjoy
something i enjoy == good characters, good story, good plotting, etc...

Based on the trailers, and the little I saw sneaking in after a Ratatouille showing...

Transformers != something I enjoy.

All explosion and special FX wizardry.

Special FX doesn't do it for me anymore. I'll be the first to jump up and scream "YES! I saw Final Fantasy Advent Children, and I didn't care about any of the characters, nor the fanservice! I actually thought the movie could've been more, silly me!"

Looked pretty, but not enough to watch over and over again.

I love movies so much, and I think the filmmakers do as well, until Spiderman 3/Pirates 2 is released, and suddenly what was once meat, has become cotton candy.

I guess I don't like cotton candy...
 

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Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
 
I don't like mustard, but I don't condemn those who do, and people rarely accuse me of "just not getting mustard." I don't understand the burning need for some people that everyone love the same entetainment.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Hear, hear!
 

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Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
 
FC:

I don't think you understand...I didn't dislike Transformers because it was fluffy or silly.

I disliked it because it bored me. Well, most of it did. Every scene spent with the "human interest sub-plot characters" (of which there honestly ended up being more than the actual robot scenes) bored me to death. Especially since not one of those sub-plots amounted to anything.

You've just found another way to say "well, you must not have liked it because you just don't like having fun."

I -love- having fun! Bring on the fun! I just enjoy my fun minus the boredom.

If I hated fluffy, silly movies I wouldn't include The Muppet Movie on the same list of favorite movies that includes The Queen.

Or The Goonies in the same breath as Some Like it Hot.

Gandhi next to X-Men 2.

Or 12 Angry Men right next to Hot Fuzz.
 

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Posted by Earendil18 (Member # 3180) on :
 

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Or 12 Angry Men right next to Hot Fuzz.

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Hot Fuzz was well crafted, even though it was just a fun movie.
 

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Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
 
Am I allowed to compare Transformers with Spider-Man 3?

Because I loved the former so much that I want to see it again in the theatre (I rarely do that) and was bored so much by the latter that I wanted to jam a pencil into my eye.

Though, admittedly, I'm surprised that some people don't like Transformers. However, I was also surprised that Forrest Gump won the Oscar over The Shawshank Redemption.
 

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Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
 
That never made sense to me.
As Shawshank Redemption is 24238947239847 times better. It's how book to movie translations should be.


Though, Forrest Gump the movie in my opinion is better than the book. The book annoyed me.
 

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Posted by FlyingCow (Member # 2150) on :
 
First, I apologize for my last post, as it was a bit rushed and I had to cut it off before finishing (was disconnecting my computer for a move - but I'm at work now).

Chris really made the point I was ultimately getting at - which is that not everyone likes cotton candy.

Or, in the case of boredom, how about we swap out cotton candy with, I dunno, taffy?

I'm reacting more to this part of your opening post, though:

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I think being "dumb fun summer movie" should not give said movie a free pass. There are dumb fun summer movies that still manage to be GOOD movies I can watch again and again. Am I really being an uptight jerk by thinking that way?

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Just because you didn't feel that Transformers was a good summer movie, that doesn't mean others don't feel that it was. It just wasn't your cup of tea - which is perfectly fine.

People telling you that you "just don't like fun movies" isn't really fair. But you saying that this wasn't a "good" movie because you personally didn't like it, is also somewhat not fair.

You thought it was boring, and I've got no problem with that. I thought it was fun, and I'm pretty sure you don't have a problem with that.

But sweeping statements claiming that a movie is "Good" or "Not Good" in a general sense don't really carry a lot of weight with me.

In a more general perspective (looking at rottentomatoes.com), it seems that the jury is mostly hung on the issue. 56% of the reviews were positive (with 69% of their cream of the crop giving it a thumbs up). That means nearly half of all reviewers didn't like it, and nearly a third of the "cream of the crop" didn't like it either.

I think the most fair way of describing it is that it's not for everyone. Though, imo, if people go in expecting steak, they're going to be disappointed.
 

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Posted by FlyingCow (Member # 2150) on :
 
Sorry for the double post, but I hadn't seen the second page when I wrote my last post.

I think Spiderman 3 (and X3 for that matter) is a different beast (at least to me) - just because there were two movies in that franchise to compare it to.

I went into Spidey 3 with expectations that had been built by the first two, and had a pretty big letdown. Same with X3. I was expecting the steak on these two... or at least hamburger... and got cotton candy.

However, looking at Fantastic Four - which set its bar a lot lower - I don't know if Fantastic Four 2 can let me down that much.
 

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Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
 
Just because you didn't feel that Transformers was a good summer movie, that doesn't mean others don't feel that it was. It just wasn't your cup of tea - which is perfectly fine.

Where did I say no one thought it was good? My post specifically mentions other people who loved it.

But you saying that this wasn't a "good" movie because you personally didn't like it, is also somewhat not fair.

Who am I being unfair to? People are free to disagree with me and say it -is- good.

Isn't that the POINT of giving opinions on movies?

Whose feelings could possibly be hurt here? Certainly not the film-makers, who're making a ton of money. Certainly not the people who enjoyed it...my opinion certainly won't change or negate their own.

I don't understand what you mean.

You thought it was boring, and I've got no problem with that. I thought it was fun, and I'm pretty sure you don't have a problem with that.

But sweeping statements claiming that a movie is "Good" or "Not Good" in a general sense don't really carry a lot of weight with me.

So you agree that I can disagree, as long as I'm vague and inconclusive as to exactly why I disliked it?

I think the most fair way of describing it is that it's not for everyone. Though, imo, if people go in expecting steak, they're going to be disappointed.

So once again, I "just must not like fun movies."


I repeat: What's wrong with saying you feel a piece of entertainment is good or bad? That is -not- the same thing as saying "No one else is allowed to like it, and if they do they're lame". I'm not sure why you seem convinced it does. I certainly said nothing to that effect in my first or subsequent posts.

Do you really think not liking a film is the same as insulting those who did like it?

If I had said "And everyone who liked this film: You stink"...that would be an insult.

However, I said "I feel it's a bad movie that mostly bored me"...no insult is given to those who disagree.

I gave the reasons why I didn't like Transformers, and none of those reason had to do with it being fluffy, silly, or "non-steak".

FC, I think we're misunderstanding each other, somewhere.
 

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Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
 

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Originally posted by FlyingCow:
Chris really made the point I was ultimately getting at - which is that not everyone likes cotton candy.

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Posted by FlyingCow (Member # 2150) on :
 
Jon Boy, you're right. My apologies. Though, I did mean to reference Chris's "just don't get mustard" post, as well, in a "people like different things" sentiment.

Puffy, I think there's a misunderstanding because I'm not arguing with you.

I agree that people shouldn't have said you just don't like fun movies. It's a silly thing to say. People are free to like what they choose.

The only thing in your post that rang a little funny to me was what you said about giving the movie a "free pass". It seemed to imply that the movie's status as a "dumb fun summer movie" made it above reproach to some people - that people were defending it because it was a blockbuster action flick, rather than because it was actually a "good" film (whatever that means).
 

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Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
 
No apology necessary, FlyingCow.
 

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Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
 

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Originally posted by FlyingCow:

The only thing in your post that rang a little funny to me was what you said about giving the movie a "free pass". It seemed to imply that the movie's status as a "dumb fun summer movie" made it above reproach to some people - that people were defending it because it was a blockbuster action flick, rather than because it was actually a "good" film (whatever that means).

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The reason why I said that FC, is because that's what they told me: Because it's a dumb fun summer blockbuster, no one should say they thought it was bad ...and if they do, it just means they just "hate fun movies".

Fooey on that.

Are you saying I should have doubted their given reason?
 

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Posted by FlyingCow (Member # 2150) on :
 
Ah, I see. My misunderstanding - I somehow misread to feel that was your given reason, not theirs.

If their reason was "you have to like it because it was a summer blockbuster", then they're even bigger idiots than I previously thought.



They're obviously the same people who made that pile of garbage Independence Day the 23rd highest grossing movie of all time.
 

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Posted by Sterling (Member # 8096) on :
 
I don't know why it is, but while I understand that there's physics and movie physics, logic and movie logic, some things go beyond the scope of what we should be expected to accept even in movie logic and physics. I'm more than willing to suspend disbelief up to a point, but some times I see the writers or director at the edges of things saying "because I want it to be this way. Just go with it, okay?" and I find myself screaming "No! No, it's not okay! You couldn't be bothered to write something that wasn't actively insulting to my intelligence, and that's not okay!"

I didn't exactly love Spider-Man 3. But I didn't find myself going "Oh, it's okay that he fell three stories... Twice... Because he was caught by a giant metal hand."

Or "Of course you know the best hacker in the world, and he lives nearby, and he's a comic black guy who lives with his mom."

Or "Having established the world is at stake and time is of the essence, the most important thing right now is to keep the twelve-foot-high robots from being seen by your parents."

Or "Of course having just met the teenage heroes, the career military guys willingly draw down on government agents to assist them."

("Ha ha, we've got your money, now you have to deal with out writing...")

Intellectually speaking, this movie mad The Island look like My Dinner with Andre.
 

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Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
 
intellectually speaking I found no problems with the movie, until the exact same situation happens to you then you can have the right to say "oh no, that was not realistic"
 

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Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
 

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Of course having just met the teenage heroes, the career military guys willingly draw down on government agents to assist them."

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That was the big one for me. I mean, these guys had no reason to trust Prime, or the kids, or Bumblebee, they had seen their entire unit wiped out by giant robots, but oh, because the kid really likes HIS giant robot, let's get ourselves court-martialed by pulling guns on Federal officials.

Yeah.
 

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Posted by Sterling (Member # 8096) on :
 

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Originally posted by Blayne Bradley:
intellectually speaking I found no problems with the movie, until the exact same situation happens to you then you can have the right to say "oh no, that was not realistic"

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until the exact same situation happens to you then you can have the right to say "oh no, that was not realistic"

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When I helped save the world from giant robots in 1987, it was nothing like this movie.
 

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until the exact same situation happens to you then you can have the right to say "oh no, that was not realistic"

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When I helped save the world from giant robots in 1987, it was nothing like this movie.

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Originally posted by Blayne Bradley:
trust me mine are FAR worse. I think real people act worse then people on screen.

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Originally posted by Synesthesia:
I hate most fun movies.
Bad dialogue, cheesy stories. There's only a handful that are not so bad, but most of them. YUCK.
I also dislike most of the HP movies.
And 90% of chick flicks too. bleh.
They should make a movie with no dialogue, just stuff getting blown up.
I'd watch that.
That would be an awesome movie.

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