Yes, even if you read it early. I finished it a few hours ago, and it was amazing. Turns out I did fairly well on the quiz, too.
I figured out that the doe was Snape's patronus. Or should I say patrona?
I was a little bugged at the idea that Dumbledore could have been the rightful owner of the Elder Wand when he didn't actually kill whatshisname, but I guess defeating him was enough.
And I managed to get through the whole thing without running into a single spoiler. Unless reading the book a few days before it's released counts as a spoiler, I mean.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
I don't know how many of you have read the recaps of TV shows on TelevisionWithoutPity.com (used to be Mighty Big TV, or mbtv.com), but I just read a recap of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows that is worth of TWoP in all its snarkiness.
It's detailed, and there's definitely a language advisory.
Oh thank God, Lisa. I've been dying to talk to someone about this.
Snape's story. So sad. I nearly cried. I wasn't able to predict, at all, though I probably should have been able to, looking back now at the seeming obviousness of it, that it was Snape who was helping them.
How about Neville at the battle of Hogwarts? I love Neville, like, officially.
It was awesome, how it came together at the end, even though there was slightly too much speechifying. (Okay, a lot.)
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
I was with Snake all the way, he just didn't seem to be overtly doing enough to definitely be evil.
I knew in my gut one of the twins was going to die, and I figured Draco would have a change of conscience but if was not as distinct as I had hoped.
I was not a big fan of Dumbledore KNOWING Ron would walk out on Harry and Hermione and then come back. It seemed alittle to James Bondish.
Actually I will save most of my thoughts for tomorrow, it will be a good thing to type up at work. Thanks for making this thread Lisa I was wondering how many other hatrackers braved the scanned version. Also thanks for suggesting a viewing program, it made reading it LOADS easier.
Posted by ricree101 (Member # 7749) on :
Yeah, it really did come together well. I was able to guess some of Snape's story, but the doe being his patronus didn't even occur to me. I really liked that Dumbledore's background was fleshed out a lot. He never really seemed like much of a character to me before, but seeing his past like that really made everything fit together a lot better.
Posted by Shawshank (Member # 8453) on :
I figured one of the trio would die.
And surprisingly- Harry's non-death actually fit reasonably well within the series rules.
Posted by Shawshank (Member # 8453) on :
Who was the person that did magic that never had before though?
I think the most beautiful line in possibly the whole series "Here Lies Dobby a Free Elf"
That and the scene with Dudley really made me feel somewhat better.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
I was also wondering who did magic late in life under extreme circumstances.
And when Rowling said there was one chapter where she cried and cried, I'm wondering whether that was Dobby's death or Snape's story.
Posted by Edgehopper (Member # 1716) on :
The earliest hint that Snape was good in this one was his "punishment" of Ginny, Neville, and Luna. That cleared that controversy up for me, for the most part.
This one will make the best movie of the 7, with all those great action sequences. Hopefully there are no cheap director tricks (if they weaken Neville's character by having Harry give some sign that he's alive in the climactic scene, I will be pissed. Torch and pitchfork pissed.) The change I'd like to see in the movie is more of the Battle of Hogwarts, not just Harry's soldier-eye view.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:And when Rowling said there was one chapter where she cried and cried, I'm wondering whether that was Dobby's death or Snape's story.
TBH, Harry so nobley going to his death could have easily done it, at least for me. Heck even Snape or (cripes was it George who died?) could have done it.
Percey finally coming back to his family and watching his brother who forgave him so quickly die suddenly was very moving for me.
The only person I doubt it could have been was Mad Eye.
Did it bother anyone else that Voldemort when he killed Harry just casually pulled out his wand and killed him? This was his opponent of MANY years who had nearly KILLED him, and he came of his own accord. Don't you think there would have been some sort of verbal exchange if not a proper duel? Voldemort was always talking about how much stronger he was then Harry, you'd think his pride would require he kill Harry with more ceremony.
I'm also racking my brains for the person who did magic late in life.
Posted by Omega M. (Member # 7924) on :
So who are the two important people who died? There seem to be some contradictory answers above. (I haven't read any Harry Potter books---I've just seen the movies---but I want to know.)
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by ricree101: Yeah, it really did come together well. I was able to guess some of Snape's story, but the doe being his patronus didn't even occur to me.
See, the doe made me think of Lily. If James was a stag, Lily being a doe made sense to me. But I couldn't see how it could be Lily, being dead and all. And then I remembered how Tonks' patronus changed to look like Remus when she fell in love with him, and I figured it had to be someone who was in love with Lily.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
She never said there were going to be two important people who died. Only that there were two people who she'd originally planned to have live who died instead. It could have been anyone. Tonks and Remus, maybe.
Posted by TL (Member # 8124) on :
quote:And when Rowling said there was one chapter where she cried and cried, I'm wondering whether that was Dobby's death or Snape's story.
My guess was Bellatrix torturing Hermione while Ron and Harry were helpless, listening, Ron screaming her name over and over again. That was harrowing stuff.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by TL:
quote:And when Rowling said there was one chapter where she cried and cried, I'm wondering whether that was Dobby's death or Snape's story.
My guess was Bellatrix torturing Hermione while Ron and Harry were helpless, listening, Ron screaming her name over and over again. That was harrowing stuff.
Perhaps even "hallowing?" Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
Eh. There's nothing sacred about suffering. Mel Gibson to the contrary.
Posted by Jay (Member # 5786) on :
This is ok right since it's not a spoiler since you've read already?
Posted by TL (Member # 8124) on :
I'm pretty sure it's not okay. Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
I'm pretty sure it is.
Posted by Shawshank (Member # 8453) on :
I just realized something. One thing that I wanted to know- what was the veil about? AH... knew there'd be something that would leave me hanging.
Posted by TL (Member # 8124) on :
quote:I'm pretty sure it is.
What other thread could possibly have prompted the whistling?
Posted by Shawshank (Member # 8453) on :
Well just to be fair- but now it is past midnight in Mountain time- let alone with those in Europe!
We should be fine now.
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
It was nearly perfect. The only thing I would have taken out was the epilogue - ending with the ovation in the Headmaster's office was my idea of a perfect ending. Then Ginny had to re-enter the picture and all hope was lost.
Neville was entirely made of win, every time he appeared; Dean also stepped it up and kicked butt. I was very distressed by the demises of Tonks and Remus - just after they'd had the baby, no less! - and the scene that really got me was when Harry used the Resurrection Stone and the lot of them popped up looking happy. Actually, anything related to James and Lily got me worked up.
Also, Dumbledore's relationship with Grindelwald was a ridiculously awesome touch. The eye in the mirror was obviously Aberforth, but the history between all of them was actually pretty cool. The Malfoys seemed... to lose their touch. Draco was never much of a threat, but Crabbe? "What's a die-dum?" Hilarious.
And I knew Harry was a Horcrux. I knew it.
Stupid epilogue.
Posted by Tinros (Member # 8328) on :
Just finished. It's 8:29 AM here, Eastern Standard time. I got the book at about one AM, read the first four and a half chapters, then hit up Steak N Shake for a late night dinner before they took me home(dad didn't want me braving the traffic that late at night alone, with a valuable book). Started reading again about three am.
First, I'm proud of myself. The only spoiler I ran into was the identity of Snape's patronus. HOWEVER, I didn't really remember that til like, the chapter before they explained it, so it's all good. I'm fairly proud of myself- I brought headphones with me and a few friends to the party to ignore the people driving by the bookstore shouting spoilers.
As for the book... there are simply no words to describe it. It was certainly an emotional roller coaster, at least for me- laughing, crying, crying because I was laughing so hard... it went everywhere. I held out on the tears for a while, though- I didn't actually shed a tear until Lupin died. But it was SO worth it.
I'm keeping my bracelet on for as long as the cruddy paper will hold up.
Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
My first horrible moment was Hemoine being tortured. I was sad when Dobby died, and then had to walk away from the book (albeit briefly) when Fred died.
And then Remus and Tonks - oh my.
I didn't mind the epilogue, but I didn't like the fact it left so much unanswered. (What did George do? Where's Luna? Who looked after Teddy Lupin? And so on..)
But overall, I loved it.
Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
Oddly, many of the big dramatic scenes, while they did engage me...didn't move me.
It was the little things that moved me to tears. Like when Harry found Lily's letter to Sirius. Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
The worst bit for me by FAR was Fred's death. My cousin had suggested one of the Weasly twins would go, but I couldn't believe it. When it happened...
What I didn't like about the very end was how she never told us what happened to George. All I wanted was a sentence saying that he was okay in the 19 years later chapter, and it would alleviate the hot cry-y feeling that's presently pricking at my eyelids as I write this. I knew we'd loose a Weasly, but there's nothing that's more tragic for me than losing half a twin, especially since Fred and George were always such a wonderful pair. If I had the chance to change ONE thing about the book, I'd save Fred.
Tonks and Lupin going together was also terrible. I thought they were safe after the birth of their child.
I also wanted to know about their N.E.W.T.s, or the lack thereof. Did they just graduate? Did they stick around at the school for a little, cleaning up, burying the dead, sorting affairs? I thought that we could have done with a paragraph about that.
What I liked:
Snape (with reservations). As I read the book, I was torn. He's good! He's not! He's good! He's not! He's good! His heroism was a little sudden, though. His complex character was suddenly made quite one-sided through a single, devoted love- one I sort of expected. I expected more shades of grey. In the end, Dumbledore was much more of a grey character and Snape much whiter. That was a little odd for me. Not actively bad, just sorta odd.
Godric's Hollow; I'm a sucker for the return home.
Shell Cottage. It all came together there. The cosy feeling of the cottage haven by the sea was a welcome relief. Dobby's burial, as opposed to being tragic for me, was more comforting.
A giant empty King's Cross being Harry's limbo. Where else could be more perfect? I was confused, however, by the huddled figure there. I've read that scene again now but I still don't really understand who or what that is?
Lily. She always was the character I admired and identified with the most. To have her emerge as a shining character made me very happy. I guessed that the doe was related to her (although a stag and a doe getting married I felt was a little obvious, actually), but I didn't figure who it was.
Overall, I liked the whole thing. I liked to return to each of our favourite haunts: The Burrow, Gringotts, Diagon Alley, the Quidditch match wood and finally (you knew it was coming) Hogwarts.
What I didn't like:
I didn't like the way this book eschewed the pattern of the other six. Sure, it followed the basic months of the school year, but it wasn't set at Hogwarts. This for me sort of contradicts what I said just above. I also realise that returning to Hogwarts under the Snape and Voldemort would have been pretty well impossible and we got a good idea of what Luna, Neville, Seamus and Ginny had been doing what the others were away. But because there was no normalcy at all... I feel sort of like I watched them go through the school for six years and then they never finished. It was as if a plot had been left undone- put aside among all the grandiose death and life themes. I just wanted to see them graduate, y'know? It was like that after Harry went to bed in his old room, there was a tiny bit missing after that. (I said this above).
Fred. I said this above too. I really, really, really could have done without Fred's death. The others were tragic but bearable. The Weasly Twins- goodness it hurts to say that- were for me the very heart of the good, well-meaning humour of the book. All of us who saw Serenity (also based heavily on love) know the dramatic and emotional power of killing the character who plays that part, but holey mackeral do they have to do it every time? Sometimes the funny guys should survive, just because.
I-
Yeah.
It's over. They won. Old Mouldymort is finally, truthfully, completely, utterly, totally, ultimately and rightfully dead.
I want Fred back. I now vow to be much funnier, even if I die tragically ( ). The world needs more funny people.
Posted by Fyfe (Member # 937) on :
Oh, I don't think that Snape lost his shades of grey. Bear in mind what an arse he's been all through the series, not just to Harry whose very existence tortures him, but to everyone Harry associates with at all. I am totally never forgiving him for being so mean about Hermione's teeth in her fourth year - cause why? why? why would you say such a nasty thing to a fourteen-year-old girl? And he bullies Neville. He uses his position of power to bully people and be generally awful and I hate him for all his awful actions. And I know that he hated Lupin for many good reasons but I still do not forgive him for calling him "werewolf" and tying him up and making him lose his job in the third book.
However, I would just like to say here, as I have said in the other thread, I so called it.. I actually even called the part about how him calling Lily "Mudblood" was the specific moment that their friendship ended. My family scoffed so much at that bit that I didn't post it in the thread, but I definitely floated that theory.
My mother is reading the book right now, and she's going to be so happy about Snape's death scene. She's been saying for at least three books now that Snape was in love with Lily, and predicting an extremely maudlin death scene in which Snape looks into Harry's eyes (Lily's eyes) and hallucinates, imagining that he's talking to Lily and telling her that he did it, he saved her son, now please forgive him. And such. Which isn't what happens, but there is an eyes moment, which is more than enough to please her.
[ July 21, 2007, 02:37 PM: Message edited by: Fyfe ]
Posted by Pepek (Member # 3773) on :
What was good:
Dumbledore's Shades of Grey.
Snape only being brave for Lily/Harry.. not specifically being for or against Voldemort- as it was mostly argued.
Potter dying. - Genius..
Sooooo much action. Looooved it.
Poly-incognito operations to boot!
A humanized villain. Not all-knowing.
All the relationships were vibrant with change.
What was bad:
Technicalities save the day.
Harry comes back to life.. I say let a sacrifice be a real sacrifice.. that would be the stronger choice. With Neville or Draco, or a mix, finish him off. - That or change the order of operations, the snake gets chopped and then have Potter run up and shout 'Avada-!' at himself, ending both of them.
Not enough important deaths for such a big battle. Ron, Hermoine, Harry, or Hagrid should have died (and stayed dead)
And once more.. Too much focus on technicalities.. such with the Hallows and more specifically the wands. ------------------
Yeah.. Potter should have been the last horcrux to go..
( oh man.. and the description of Dobby's death!!!.. that was killer.. that last sentence about his large eyes with the reflections of the stars in them he'd never see.. a truly beautiful exit line.)
Posted by Pepek (Member # 3773) on :
The future Potter books should definitely be focused on Teddy Lupin. - It's set up way too well.
Posted by TL (Member # 8124) on :
What future Harry Potter books?
Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
Rowling has said any future Potter book would be an "encyclopedia of the Wizarding World" type deal, not a novel.
Posted by TL (Member # 8124) on :
*Waiting patiently for the inevitable Harry Potter d20 system*
In other news ... I think I'm a little bit disappointed with Neville's fate. There are few characters in literature as badass as Neville Longbottom, and I can't help but wish that he had grown up to do badass things. Are there still Aurors?
Also: Who is Headmaster at Hogwarts in 2017? And who is Minister of Magic? Did I skim these details or were they not mentioned? I want to know these things.
Posted by erosomniac (Member # 6834) on :
I was one of the many who felt it would be bad if Rowling wrote more HP books after her promised seven, but now I've completely reconsidered. I would love to hear more about the next generation of wizards or--even better--tohear more about the events in the 19 year lapse.
Posted by TL (Member # 8124) on :
I'm torn. I mean ... I want to see what else Rowling can do, and I want to see what other writers can do in the Harry Potter universe.
But I don't want it to become a Star Trek / Star Wars novel type thing.
Maybe a select few authors. I would get a heck of a kick out of a few standalone Harry Potter universe novels penned by Neil Gaiman, Orson Scott Card, Stephen King maybe, Mercedes Lackey maybe.
*sigh* .. That would be awesome.
Keep the Star people away from it, though.
Posted by erosomniac (Member # 6834) on :
quote:Originally posted by TL: *Waiting patiently for the inevitable Harry Potter d20 system*
In other news ... I think I'm a little bit disappointed with Neville's fate. There are few characters in literature as badass as Neville Longbottom, and I can't help but wish that he had grown up to do badass things. Are there still Aurors?
Also: Who is Headmaster at Hogwarts in 2017? And who is Minister of Magic? Did I skim these details or were they not mentioned? I want to know these things.
I think the fact that Neville ends up teaching herbology suggests there's a minimal need for aurors, since I can't imagine him doing anything other than fighting the dark arts as long as there's a need.
Posted by Pepek (Member # 3773) on :
there's too many loose ends with potential. I think she's leaving things open on purpose.
oh- how the hell did Grawp survive?
Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
Giants in the series seem to have a natural resistance to hostile magic, plus eventually Harry's "death" cast that all-important level of primal mystical protection on all his allies.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Pepek: I say let a sacrifice be a real sacrifice..
I don't get how it was any less of a sacrifice because of what happened later. It's not as though Harry knew he'd come back.
quote:Originally posted by Pepek: Not enough important deaths for such a big battle. Ron, Hermoine, Harry, or Hagrid should have died (and stayed dead)
<sigh> More of that. It makes me so sad to see people thinking that death and suffering is the epitome of redemption and goodness.
quote:Originally posted by Teshi: I was confused, however, by the huddled figure there. I've read that scene again now but I still don't really understand who or what that is?
It was Voldemort. The piece of his soul that was trapped inside Harry.
Posted by Shawshank (Member # 8453) on :
Oh.... That's what that was.
Posted by Sandee (Member # 10716) on :
I just finished the book and, maybe I'm stupid, but I can't figure out how Draco was the rightful owner of the Elder Wand. Can someone share their insight with me, please?
Thanks.
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
Draco disarmed, i.e. "beat," Dumbledore when they were on the tower in HBP.
Posted by Sandee (Member # 10716) on :
Thank you, Carrie. I knew it was something simple I missed. Now I can go to bed. :-)
Posted by Adam_S (Member # 9695) on :
quote:More of that. It makes me so sad to see people thinking that death and suffering is the epitome of redemption and goodness.
Thank you. perfect way to phrase it.
Posted by Nighthawk (Member # 4176) on :
You mean the book doesn't end with a middle-aged Harry waking up in a bed next to Hermione, realizing that the whole thing was just a dream?
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
I don't know how Harry was the rightful owner, when the wand he took from Draco wasn't the Elder wand....or how stealing it caused the ownership to pass either.
Good book....I read it all in one sitting.
Posted by Tara (Member # 10030) on :
I read it in approximately 12 hours, and was very pleasantly surprised to realize, somewhere near the end, that absolutely none of it had been spoiled for me. I had no idea what was actually going to happen until I read it, and that was pure gold.
Neville, McGonnagal, and Mrs. Weasley kick some serious ass.
I was on the verge of tears many times, when Harry found Lily's letter, when Fred died, when Lupin and Tonks died, when Hermione was being tortured and Ron was screaming, but I was positively crying when Harry was convinced that he had to die.
However, through the whole book, I was basically convinced that Harry wasn't going to die, and that Dumbledore would be redeemed...It wasn't logical, I just...told myself that it was true. And I was right.
And I was SO RIGHT about Snape!! On all accounts! And I was really, really happy about Draco, Narcissa, Kreacher, Dudley, and especially Snape.
I do have several complaints about the book, but honestly....who cares? It's the last Harry Potter book. It was good enough, and that made it wonderful. Posted by Tara (Member # 10030) on :
Ah, I forgot, there's one question that didn't get answered.
I don't have a copy of book 6, so I can't go back to it, but maybe someone else will have an answer.
Why exactly was Dumbledore pleading with Snape right before he died? Of course it doesn't matter nearly as much as it used to, since we now know Dumbledore had long been expecting to die, but I'm still curious. Was he pleading with Snape TO kill him, so as to avoid humiliation? Was he afraid Snape would lose his nerve?
Posted by Pepek (Member # 3773) on :
he was pleading with Snape to kill him. Snape is clearly a brave man, but that would have been such a difficult thing to do.. ----
Voldy is stupid. He can kill people with other spells, he should've tried something less fatal against Potter after all the kid was saying, just to test the waters but noooo..
Posted by aretee (Member # 1743) on :
What happened to Umbridge? I wanted to see her get her commuppance!
I didn't like Mrs. Weasley swearing. Bellatrix may be a *itch, but I have never, ever pictured Mrs. Weasley saying it.
I knew a Weasley would die. I was prepared. I was hoping it would be Percy, but as Lisa wrote "It makes me so sad to see people thinking that death and suffering is the epitome of redemption and goodness" I am glad she made Fred so forgiving. The Twins have always been all about family...JK did that right.
The only time I truely sobbed was when Dobby died. The whole scene...Harry realizing his death, digging the grave, the funeral. I was also very touched with Percy return and Kreacher's 180.
Can someone explain to me how they got the sword back from the Goblins? Did I skip something?
I am pleased. I am sad it's over. Ten years of anticipation was quenched in 25 hours. I better got to bed. It's almost 6am and I need to go to church in three hours...
Posted by Goody Scrivener (Member # 6742) on :
I've been up for nearly 24 hours straight (although I didn't get my hands on the book till nearly 11 pm, had to wait for the kid to finish) so I'm not fully capable of serious discussion....
I cried. Hard. And in several places. I'm angry that Harry was in fact a Horcrux. That feels like a huge cheat to me. I loved that Hermione and Ron each got to destroy one, though. I'm still iffy on Snape. The whole Pensieve segment was the worst of the tears for me. But I still feel that he did it all for himself and not for anyone or anything else. And I was confused on the Elder Wand till reading posts here.
Obviously I need to reread.... LOL But first I need sleep.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Can someone explain to me how they got the sword back from the Goblins? Did I skip something?
They didn't get it back as far as I rememeber. They found other ways to destroy the horocruxes, one ingenious (Basilisk fang in the Chamber of Secrets) one just dumb luck (Goyle's cursed fire.)
Lisa:
quote:I don't get how it was any less of a sacrifice because of what happened later. It's not as though Harry knew he'd come back.
Completely agreed. It isn't a lesser sacrifice as far as I am concerned. One might argue it was gutless for the AUTHOR, but I personally don't think so.
Posted by Pepek (Member # 3773) on :
I retrospectified my opinion on the sacrifice thing in the other 'official' thread.
The sword can be summoned through the sorting hat by a true Griff - my assumption was that while the hat was on Neville's head it told him to take the sword from inside it first chance he had, because as shown in the first book, the person wearing the sorting hat can converse with it through their mind.
"I need to kill the snake!" Neville thought to himself, bent down by the will of Voldemort.
"Hello! i'm Mr. Hat!, conveniently Voldemort has placed me on your head so he can set me on fire! Making a mockery out of you and your cause."
"What?" Neville was confused. And in pain. Fire doesn't feel very good.
"You have proven yourself worthy of the sword which can kill the snake! So when the curse lets up, pull it out of my puppet hole and attack!"
- And so it was done.
Harry was a horcrux, yeah? - So could the kids have cast 'avada-!' at the other horcruxs and destroyed them as well? Maybe not the inanimate ones, but the snake at least?
Posted by Sandee (Member # 10716) on :
Tara ...
Dumbledore was begging Snape to kill him instead of Draco (who had been order by LV to kill him or he'd kill Draco's family and him). Dumbledore told Snape didn't want Draco's soul damaged (split?) by committing murder. Dumbledore had gotten Snape's word that he would do it, instead of Draco.
I actually ended up having compassion for Draco and his mother. Lucuis, though, can go the way of Azkaban as far as I'm concerned. lol
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
I figured Voldemort could destroy the Harry Horcrux with Avada Kadavra because he made it, even if inadvertantly.
Posted by Adam Masterman (Member # 10175) on :
A nice but subtle part that I appreciated: Snape wanting to look into Harry's eyes (which are identical to Lily's) as he died.
Adam
Posted by firebird (Member # 1971) on :
I didn't cry until the very end.
"Albus Severus, you are named for two headmasters of Hogwarts, one was a Slytherin and he was probably the bravest man I ever new"
Sob, wail, sniff, quiver ...
All in all very pleased with the book and that I didn't get spoilered.
Edit for typo
[ July 22, 2007, 03:27 PM: Message edited by: firebird ]
Posted by Tara (Member # 10030) on :
quote: "Albert Severus, you are named for two headmasters of Hogwarts, one was a Slytherin and he was probably the bravest man I ever new"
Best line. Ever.
Posted by Tinros (Member # 8328) on :
It's funny, actually. I was reading some posts from BEFORE the book came out today on another forum, and one of them said essentially this:
"This leaked one has to be a fake, because on page ***, Mrs. Weasley shouts, "Not my daughter, you b****!", and that would NEVER happen in ANY of the HP books."
I laughed so hard.
Edit: Oh, and it's Albus Severus. Named for Albus Dumbledore.
Posted by Fyfe (Member # 937) on :
I was enchanted that Mrs. Weasley got Bellatrix. I got chills. And Sirius having the posters of Muggle girls in bikinis was so excellent.
Posted by Little_Doctor (Member # 6635) on :
I'm assuming that McGonagall became headmaster. As for Minister, I have no idea. Definetly one of the Order. I was thinking Arthur or Kingsley.
Posted by SteveRogers (Member # 7130) on :
quote:Originally posted by Tara: Mrs. Weasley kick some serious ass.
I thought that part (when she killed Bellatrix) was so amazingly perfect. I'd been waiting for her to snap since the fifth book. It happened. And she was amazingly rude and heroic.
Posted by Pepek (Member # 3773) on :
I wonder who's the lucky fellow that gets to be Defense against the Dark Arts teacher for more than one year. (now that Voldmunch is gone)
Posted by firebird (Member # 1971) on :
Perhaps DADA doesn't feature so strongly in a syllabus now that the Dark Lord is vanquished?
Likewise perhase the Auror profession is not longer the lucrative career it was previously.
That said, there is nearly always someone that want to get up to wicked mischief ...
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
Well, I don't think that anyone would ever think that after Hitler went, soldiers were no longer required or that bad people were gone forever from the world. I think Aurors would, although being slightly less immediately necessary, still be a small elite force of anti-Dark witches and wizards.
Posted by SteveRogers (Member # 7130) on :
I believe, personally, that the deaths in this book just seemed to be more emotionally compelling than the other deaths. It was the last book, and the character had almost made it.
They were characters that were generally more likeable. And they all died valiantly. Even Hedwig.
They all just seemed more powerful and moving in this one.
Posted by Olivet (Member # 1104) on :
To all you people who said, "Harry can't be a horcrux! That is SOO STUPID!!1"
*delicately clears throat*
Take THAT! You not-so-smarty-pantses!!!
*Ungracious, booty-wigglin' dance of smug superiority*
I was so totally right. Dumbledore was really, really dead. Snape was a good guy, and Harry WAS a horcrux! Nyah!
*coughs*
I mean to say that I really enjoyed the book, and I loved the care with which she managed to pull everything off. It was so... wrenching, even though I suspected what was coming.
Yay for Longbottom!! Yay for good people going on with their ordinary lives. I thought it was just beautiful. Perfect.
[ July 22, 2007, 05:52 PM: Message edited by: Olivet ]
Posted by Tara (Member # 10030) on :
I believe it said Kingsley was Minister.
And if there is a DADA teacher, it's probably Harry.
Posted by SteveRogers (Member # 7130) on :
I was confident that it would end up coming out that way. In fact, one of the only things I didn't guess was that the doe was Snape's patronus.
Posted by Olivet (Member # 1104) on :
Yeah, I'm just a tad miffed that people got so mean about the idea just after Half Blood Prince,
My little dance was all in good fun. Posted by Nathan2006 (Member # 9387) on :
I finished it. I never like the final books in a series. Ever.
This was no exception. Of course I can say I loved it, but now it means that... <Sniff> There's no more Harry Potter stories.
The sad thing is that I never read and HP books, or saw any HP movies before April of this year.
But still.
I loved Mrs. Weasly swearing. And it's justified, considering the death of her son.
I was kinda surprised that Hagrid didn't die. That's what I was betting on... And then, of course, I bought the whole dying Harry Potter thing until he woke up and saw the shivering creature.
I, for one, felt very smart for figuring out why Lupin was so depressed early on in the book.
I also knew Snape was a good guy, although I had my doubts in this book.
I figured out that Snape didn't just kill Dumbledore to keep his cover in front of Draco once I found out that the wand was linked to Hogwarts. It became obvious then that Snape was under specific orders to kill Dumbledore.
What I don't understand is why Hermione had that book of runes? All it did was lead them to learn about the deathly hollows, which Dumbledore didn't want Harry to know about.
I'll stop now. I'm just... feeling so many things right now. <Chin quivers> I'll be back later.
<Sobs>
Posted by firebird (Member # 1971) on :
Three cheers for Olivet and her Harry is a Horcrux idea! I have been impressing people with the Harry is a Horcrux idea for the last two years, as I was right there with you. As always, Hatrack is the best.
Hip Hip Horrah!
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
He wanted Harry to have the choice of how to stop V, not to keep him away from them= completely.
Posted by Uindy (Member # 9743) on :
One of the best and sadest parts in the book for me was when Harry barred(sp?)Dobby. I thought that Harry not using magic was in a way a testment to Dobby's life. Touching very touching.
Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
Didn't Dumbledore say something way back in Book Two to the effect that any true Gryffindor may reach into the Sorting Hat and pull out Godric's Sword in the time of need?
I would imagine Godric's enchantment proved more powerful than the Goblin Security measures. Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
I believe he made a pun...he said something about Harry not needing to worry if he was in the right house, because it would take a a real Griffindor to pull THAT out that the hat.
I groaned as I typed it, but I am fairly sure it is accurate because I groaned when I read it the first time. Posted by Tinros (Member # 8328) on :
*Gryffindor, Kwea.
^.^
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I just finished it a few minutes ago.
Man, what a rush. Hedwig dying at the beginning was sad, but I didn't really start to feel anything until I read:
"The Ministry has fallen. Scrimgoeur is dead. They are coming."
I had a huge shiver roll up and down my body when I read that, and the excitement never really died (with the exception of a couple rather long sections of exposition) until the end. I thought there were maybe one or two moments that seemed sort of like...Star Trek explanations to why things happened.
"But why did my wand destroy Voldemort's other wand too?" Harry asked.
"Well my dear boy, with your first wand, you simply reversed the polarity! But this time you caused a feedback loop in the wand's phoenix feather core which caused Voldemort's wand to overload..."
But oh well, I have to nitpick that far to find anything I dislike about this book. It was an amazing ride, and my head is going to be in knots for days just thinking about it. I knew Snape wasn't really a bad guy all along, and his death is all the more tragic now. I really didn't think the Harry as a Horcrux thing made sense before, and that's one of those little excessively explanatory things that bothered me a little bit, but the way Rowling handled it was superbly done.
I was really taken aback by Mrs. Weasley's swearing, but I can't say I'm all that surprised given what was at stake for her. And I liked seeing Bellatrix undone by a mother's wrath.
I don't have much else to say, other than Rowling is amazing, and that was a spetacular ending that outdid anything I imagined it could be.
Also, Kreacher rocks.
Posted by Little_Doctor (Member # 6635) on :
quote:Originally posted by Tara: I believe it said Kingsley was Minister.
And if there is a DADA teacher, it's probably Harry.
They said that Kingsley was made temporary Minister. I don't think that Harry is the DADA professor. He and Ginny wouldn't have asked their kid to send Neville their love if he was going to be there.
Posted by Javert (Member # 3076) on :
quote:Originally posted by Little_Doctor:
quote:Originally posted by Tara: I believe it said Kingsley was Minister.
And if there is a DADA teacher, it's probably Harry.
They said that Kingsley was made temporary Minister. I don't think that Harry is the DADA professor. He and Ginny wouldn't have asked their kid to send Neville their love if he was going to be there.
Not to mention that the teachers also live at Hogwarts.
If there's ever an official "history" of what happens in those 19 years, I hope the DADA professor ends up being someone surprising.
Like Luna. Or Dennis Creevey. Or Cho Chang.
Posted by Nathan2006 (Member # 9387) on :
I've already posted in the other thread that Luna is teaching Care of Magical Creatures, and specializing in nargles.
But I won't repeat myself. <Grin>
BTW, that's not in the book (I like to state the obvious) I made it up.
Posted by Olivet (Member # 1104) on :
*hugs firebird*
Everyone said we were stupid. *sniffle* People can be so mean (when they are obviously wrong )
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