Nine members of the Jedi Order have been summoned by the Galactic Senate to investigate a planet in the farthest reaches of the galaxy. A probe reported a vast amount of an unknown form of energy emanating from a small region on this unexplored planet. Among the members of the scouting party are Jedi Masters Yoda, Mace Windu, Qui-gon Jin, and Padawan Obi-wan Kenobi.
After landing on the strange planet, they are confronted by nine figures cloaked in black, seated upon odd creatures with long faces and four legs. The leader draws a sword, and high pitched screaches fill the air, followed by the hum of nine lightsabers.
Who wins? The Nine kings of men, granted eternal life and vast powers in return for eternal servitude? Or the guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic?
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
It depends. Is one of the Ringwraiths smart enough to announce to the Jedi that he's found the secret of eternal life? Because apparently that's enough to turn some of them to the Dark Side, right there.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Sauron would kill his wringwraiths, give the nine rings for mortal men doomed to die to members of the Jedi Council, and we'd have Jediwraiths.
Posted by GForce (Member # 9584) on :
Jediwraiths. I like it.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
The Jedi would take it in turns to force push the wraiths over, wait for them to get up, knock em over again, rinse repeat.
Pulling their swords out of the wraiths hands should not be a problem, and the moment any of the wraiths parry a light saber they will be swordless.
Also apparently fire is scary, just touch the light saber to some of their robes and watch them dance.
Porter: Thats cheating because its Sauron + ring wraiths VS Jedi. You can't modify who is fighting who, bleh! Posted by LargeTuna (Member # 10512) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: The Jedi would take it in turns to force push the wraiths over, wait for them to get up, knock em over again, rinse repeat.
RingWraiths are impervious to force powers. DUH. it would be close, but i have to agree the jedi would win because of the lightsaber advantage. Then they would become immortal jediwraiths. Posted by LargeTuna (Member # 10512) on :
We should petition for a jedi Gremlin. the best ones are: Zidane................ and.................. Lincoln Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :
My post disappeared, so if this is a double post, apologies.
Yoda would sense that the one ring that controls the wraiths was in the hands of a distant cousin named Gollum (note the family resemblance). Using the force he would remove the ring from Gollum's control and place it in a curse proof droid. Then Obi Wan would take the ring and droid, fly faster than an Eagle to Mt. Doom, and drop it in, or if that was too well protected, find a star or black hole where it could be destroyed.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
Lightsabres are not the end all be all, with certain metals one can repel the effects of a lightsabre.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:Porter: Thats cheating because its Sauron + ring wraiths VS Jedi. You can't modify who is fighting who, bleh! [Razz]
You can't have wringwraiths without Sauron, any more than you can have Jedi without the Force.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
Is there a reason you spell it "wringwraiths," BTW? Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
I hadn't noticed until you pointed it out.
So, no. Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
You know, throwing the ring into a black hole instead of into the Crack of Doom wouldn't have been a bad plan. From the perspective of Middle Earth, the ring would have existed for all time, meaning that the power of the three wouldn't have been extinguished, but Sauron wouldn't have been able to get it.
Posted by Alcon (Member # 6645) on :
Yeah, but they wouldn't have been about to take out Sauron either. It would have been a horrible plan! Sauron's fate was linked to that of the Ring. If the Ring exists for all time, so too does Sauron!
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
5 ringwraiths were defeated by one above average human fighter with a torch.
This fight is over before it begins.
Here is one Niki and I were debating:
Wolverine versus a Jedi Knight
At first I though it would be the Jedi, hands down. But then I considered how long it took for Qui-Gon to melt the blast doors. If this is how powerful a light-saber is, then Wolvie could easily parry a light-saber attack with his claws. Even if he didn't manage to parry, only his flesh would take any damage (which would heal pretty quickly).
I'm now of the opinion that a full on Jedi master could defeat Wolverine, but that the average Jedi Knight would probably lose.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
A) They weren't defeated.
B) He wasn't average by any stretch.
C) By the common definition, he wasn't even human.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
Neeeerrrrding
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
quote:A) They weren't defeated.
Their objective was to get the ring from Frodo. Aragorn's objective was to keep them from getting the ring. Aragorn was successful in his objective, the 5 combined ringwraiths were not. Am I missing something? Which definition of "defeat" do you think I was using?
quote:B) He wasn't average by any stretch.
I said that he was "above average". Even if he was considerably above average, all he had to do to defeat the ringwraiths is swing a torch around, not something which takes particular skill.
quote:C) By the common definition, he wasn't even human.
I don't see how this matters. The only way (that I know of) that he differs from typically humanity is an above average lifespan.
Posted by Flaming Toad on a Stick (Member # 9302) on :
The Ringwraiths cause any and all nearby to feel dread, terror and despair. I'm not sure that Jedi Knights could fight through such a massive disturbance in the force. At the very least, I think it would limit their force powers.
Here's my prediction.
The Nine charge the Knights. The Knigts, terrified, wield their lightsabers defensively and desperately. The lightsabres shatter the Morgul-knives, but fragments of the knives are buried deep in the Jedi's bodies. The Jedi abandon hope and become lesser wraiths.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
quote:The Ringwraiths cause any and all nearby to feel dread, terror and despair. I'm not sure that Jedi Knights could fight through such a massive disturbance in the force. At the very least, I think it would limit their force powers.
But numerous people manage to resist this effect to various extents. The Jedi certainly have fear suppression techniques.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
quote:The Ringwraiths cause any and all nearby to feel dread, terror and despair. I'm not sure that Jedi Knights could fight through such a massive disturbance in the force. At the very least, I think it would limit their force powers.
But numerous people manage to resist this effect to various extents. The Jedi certainly have fear suppression techniques.
quote:Even if he was considerably above average, all he had to do to defeat the ringwraiths is swing a torch around, not something which takes particular skill.
He didn't defeat them - they withdrew because they thought their purpose was almost accomplished.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
And there was a lot more to Aragorn than a longer life span as well, which is why Sauron feared him having the ring above all others.
He couldn't cast lighting, as most magic in LOTR is understated (although very, very powerful....just not usually flashy), but he could command undead, and wrest control of a powerful magic item from Sauron's direct control. by simple force of will.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
Now, how about we discuss the effects of a good blaster rather then hokey religions on ring wraiths?
Would a blaster shot to the head stop a Naz'gul (Naz Gul?)
Posted by Flaming Toad on a Stick (Member # 9302) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dagonee:
quote:The Ringwraiths cause any and all nearby to feel dread, terror and despair. I'm not sure that Jedi Knights could fight through such a massive disturbance in the force. At the very least, I think it would limit their force powers.
But numerous people manage to resist this effect to various extents. The Jedi certainly have fear suppression techniques.
The Jedi have never been exposed to Ringwraiths though. What the Nine do to enemies is more than just fear. Numenorians, wizards, and elves that resist their power usually, if not always, have a basic understanding of the nature of the Nine. It's possible that the Jedi could resist, but their force powers, even at full power, do not match the dark power of the ringwraiths methinks.
Posted by Flaming Toad on a Stick (Member # 9302) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: Now, how about we discuss the effects of a good blaster rather then hokey religions on ring wraiths?
Would a blaster shot to the head stop a Naz'gul (Naz Gul?)
I don't see why not. A short sword wielded by a half-man took out their leader.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
No the blaster shot doesn't stop them. Remember that even drowning them in the river commanded by Elrond didn't kill them - Eowyn and Merry managed with the Witch King only due to the weapon at hand. Everyday, run of the mill blasters would be like a "normal" sword - ineffective.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
I'm not sure of that. If fire is effective against them, why not hot plasma?
[Edit--I don't argue that blasters could actually kill the wraiths, but I could see them being vanquished for the moment by a good blaster shot]
Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
Plus, remember that "no man" could slay the Witch King. It took a loophole combination of woman, hobbit, and sword engraved with special symbols in order to kill him.
Edit: Which Belle already stated. Woops. Posted by Alcon (Member # 6645) on :
That wasn't sting. That was an ordinary short sword. Sting was in the hands of Frodo.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
quote:Originally posted by Puffy Treat: Plus, remember that "no man" could slay the Witch King. It took a loophole combination of woman, hobbit, and sword engraved with special symbols in order to kill him.
Maybe Greedo could do the deed.
Posted by hugh57 (Member # 5527) on :
It wasn't Sting, true, but it was not an ordinary short sword, either. It was a sword of the Westernesse, found at the Barrow Downs in the books, and a Gift of Galadriel (to Merry and Pippin) in the movies (extended edition).
Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
Tolkien makes a point that Merry's sword was originally created by men who had fought the Witch King in earlier times...they specifically incorporated into it spells designed to destroy him.
Who mentioned sting?
Posted by calaban (Member # 2516) on :
masterchief vs freeman!
Posted by dantesparadigm (Member # 8756) on :
I suppose it depends who's doing the shooting, if it's Leia or Padme, who've almost never held a blaster before in their lives, then the Nazgul stand no chance, but if it's a crack squad of storm-troopers with advanced blaster rifles, then they'll be scrap metal for the fires of isengard quicker than a Jedi turns to the dark side.
On the other hand I think a squad of storm troopers would be a good match for a horde of orcs.
Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
quote:Originally posted by dantesparadigm: I suppose it depends who's doing the shooting, if it's Leia or Padme, who've almost never held a blaster before in their lives
Since when do Leia and Padme not know how to shoot blaster?
Keep in mind, Tolkien made a point that it was several things combined that allowed for the death of the Witch King. Not just the involvement of a woman.
Posted by hugh57 (Member # 5527) on :
quote:Originally posted by Puffy Treat: Tolkien makes a point that Merry's sword was originally created by men who had fought the Witch King in earlier times...they specifically incorporated into it spells designed to destroy him.
Who mentioned sting?
Alcon mentioned Sting, third post above yours.
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
quote:He didn't defeat them - they withdrew because they thought their purpose was almost accomplished.
Their purpose was to get the ring, not to kill Frodo. If they weren't defeated, why not kill Aragorn and take it?
Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
quote:Originally posted by hugh57: Alcon mentioned Sting, third post above yours.
Third post above mine is by someone called "Flaming Toad on a Stick"...and he mentions Merry's sword, which (as has been established) was not sting. Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
quote:On the other hand I think a squad of storm troopers would be a good match for a horde of orcs.
I completely agree there - the stormtroopers would lay waste to the orcs in no time.
The weathertop scene is a weak point in the book - but the best explanation is that they Nazgul were not fully up to strength and faced with Aragorn and wielding fire and blade (granted, not even Anduril at that point) they though it safer to withdraw and let the Morgul blade do its work.
The elements do appear to have some effect on them though - didn't Gandalf make a point that when the river flooded and Glorfindal was on the one side that they were caught between water and the wrath of an elf-lord, so they had no choice but to retreat? Honestly, I think at that point the Nine were just weaker, the power of the one hadn't fully woken and Sauron wasn't at his full strength either.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:the stormtroopers would lay waste to the orcs in no time.
Because only Imperial Stormtroopers are so precise.
Posted by CRash (Member # 7754) on :
quote:Originally posted by Flaming Toad on a Stick: The Ringwraiths cause any and all nearby to feel dread, terror and despair. I'm not sure that Jedi Knights could fight through such a massive disturbance in the force. At the very least, I think it would limit their force powers.
"Expecto Patronum!"
Send a Harry Potter after them. After all, they're just upgraded Dementors.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
It's the other way around. Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
quote:Their purpose was to get the ring, not to kill Frodo. If they weren't defeated, why not kill Aragorn and take it?
Ask Tolkien. Posted by Flaming Toad on a Stick (Member # 9302) on :
Dementors vs Nazgul
Dementors swoop towards Nazgul. Nazgul feed Dementors to their animals. The end.
Posted by Alcon (Member # 6645) on :
Freeman or Master Chief? Probably master chief, as much as I'd rather go for Freeman out of sheer love for the fact that Freeman uses his head much more. But you can't deny that Master Chief has the better armor, better weapons, and is in much better physical condition.
Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
It would've totally rocked if Tolkien had used the talking dog against them. That's much cooler than an enchanted sword or rushing rivers!
Posted by hugh57 (Member # 5527) on :
quote:Originally posted by Puffy Treat:
quote:Originally posted by hugh57: Alcon mentioned Sting, third post above yours.
Third post above mine is by someone called "Flaming Toad on a Stick"...and he mentions Merry's sword, which (as has been established) was not sting.
I meant the third post above the one in which you asked the question "Who mentioned Sting?" in which Alcon said:
That wasn't sting. That was an ordinary short sword. Sting was in the hands of Frodo.
I do wish they'd number the comments in a thread so that I could be more clear about this.
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
quote:Ask Tolkien.
You seemed to be speaking for Tolkien by claiming that the weather top scene was not, in fact, a defeat. Seems silly to stop speaking for him now.
quote:The weathertop scene is a weak point in the book - but the best explanation is that they Nazgul were not fully up to strength and faced with Aragorn and wielding fire and blade (granted, not even Anduril at that point) they though it safer to withdraw and let the Morgul blade do its work.
This I can buy. The Witch-King in ROTK certainly seems more powerful than he was in FOTR. He was one of the ones at weathertop, right?
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
quote:You seemed to be speaking for Tolkien by claiming that the weather top scene was not, in fact, a defeat. Seems silly to stop speaking for him now.
It's stated explicitly in the text that they withdrew because the morgul knife would complete their work for them.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
I'm not sure he was.
Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
quote:Originally posted by hugh57: I meant the third post above the one in which you asked the question "Who mentioned Sting?" in which Alcon said:
That wasn't sting. That was an ordinary short sword. Sting was in the hands of Frodo.
I do wish they'd number the comments in a thread so that I could be more clear about this.
Yeah. I was asking Alcon where sting was mentioned before the "that wasn't sting" post. Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
quote:It's stated explicitly in the text that they withdrew because the morgul knife would complete their work for them.
You might have mentioned that in your post !
Posted by GForce (Member # 9584) on :
quote:Originally posted by Xavier: The Witch-King in ROTK certainly seems more powerful than he was in FOTR. He was one of the ones at weathertop, right?
I think he was the one who stabbed Frodo on Weathertop. At least I remember in the movie version of ROTK, Gandalf was talking about the witch king and said he stabbed Frodo.
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it would be close, but i have to agree the jedi would win because of the lightsaber advantage. Then they would become immortal jediwraiths. ![[Wall Bash]](graemlins/wallbash.gif)
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