The second season is about to start, and the other thread is way too big. Maybe we should start another thread?
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
I haven't been keeping up. There were awful rumors back then that they were going to split it up into two shows. Did that come to pass?
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Last I heard, there's still going to be a pretty decent sized hiatus, but they've pushed back that show that was supposed to happen during the hiatus, if it hasn't been cancelled entirely.
My info might be a couple weeks outdated though, I haven't looked lately.
Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
At the San Diego 2007 Comic Con it was announced that Heroes: Origins would be broadcast from April to May.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Well wait then, is it going to air concurrently? Or is there going to be ANOTHER 6 week hiatus after the other two month hiatus?
The midseason break thing should be the death of television. Not that it will be, but it SHOULD be. I hate it with a passion.
Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
And, next year there's going to be a major writer & director's guild strike across the board at Hollywood!
Boy, 2008 and 2009 in entertainment will be interesting. Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
Had an odd thought recently. Suddenly ya have powers that pop up outta nowhere, do you trust them to continue working? I mean if you don't know how the power got started or how it works, you certainly have no guarantees that the power won't just as suddenly disappear.
Take the power of flight without knowing its reliability. The minimum you would need for rational use is a parachute. Then fly high enough that the parachute would fully deploy before hitting the ground should the power cut out. While rocket-deployed parachutes can be opened much closer to the ground, they aren't something you can buy from a sport-chuting store. Not sure whether they exist even as an option for a military parachutist. The ones I know of are designed to be used while still attached to small aircraft or to ejection seats.
Either way, it still leaves a LARGE gap between the distance that a human body can fall&land safely and the distance it takes for a parachute to fully deploy. So you wanna fly around in a ground-level ejection seat. Problem is it ain't as if ya can just go into a store and buy one or order&buy directly from the manufacturer. Probably set off so many red flags just asking around that ya'd end up being questioned in a federal detention facility.
So that leaves you flying around in a hang-glider. And the drag from wings-large-enough-for-safe-landing is gonna slow ya down considerably. And probably be highly visible for miles, which ain't exactly part of the superhero modus operandi. Be about like trying to drive the Batmobile to your secret lair without having hordes of fans and paparazzi tagging along after you.
Maybe a parachute for high-altitude flight with a personal rocket belt for a safe landing from a low altitude power cut-off.
[ September 09, 2007, 10:36 PM: Message edited by: aspectre ]
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
quote:Originally posted by Puffy Treat: And, next year there's going to be a major writer & director's guild strike across the board at Hollywood!
Boy, 2008 and 2009 in entertainment will be interesting.
I've heard whispers about that, but haven't gone looking for information. What's the story behind it? What will it mean for television and movies? And what's the fight over?
Posted by Danzig (Member # 4704) on :
And here I was hoping this was going to be about the classic turn-based strategy game Heroes of Might and Magic II...
Posted by Eaquae Legit (Member # 3063) on :
I really want Sylar to stay gone.
Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
"...there's going to be a major writer & director's guild strike..." "And what's the fight over?"
Mostly the writers guild and the directors guild let slide the issue of residuals from DVDs and downloads in their last contract. The studios and networks are making more money off of those DVDs and downloads than they are from the theater showings and broadcasts. So expect a lot stronger fight over the residuals this time around.
Then there are "reality"shows. The networks and executive producers like to pretend that they don't use writers and directors so they don't have to pay scale wages to folks who perform the exact same functions as writers and directors. Kinda like screwing over game show and "reality"show contestants because "they aren't actors" even though they fill airtime in the same manner that professional actors would.
[ September 09, 2007, 10:26 PM: Message edited by: aspectre ]
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
quote:Originally posted by Eaquae Legit: I really want Sylar to stay gone.
Agreed. I thought I heard somewhere that he was gone, and that Nathan was back.
Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
June 13, 2007: Zachary Quinto, who plays Sylar on the hit NBC drama, will return as a series regular next season...
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Ugh!
If they keep him, they at least need to do something better with his character.
I'm excited to see that Nathan survived. They have a lot they can do with him.
Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
Put a parachute on him to start with. Sylar's dead, so Zachary Quinto is gonna play a copper-blooded dual-eyelidded half-alien with mind-melding powers and a death grip.
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
Dunno if Nathan survived, only that the actor is signed on for next seasons. They do a lot fo flashbacks, so ya never know.
And Sylar prolly won't be in the show as much as planned since he'll be shooting the Star Trek movie.
Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
According to the actor, by the time he starts on Star Trek most of his Heroes Season Two stuff will be done.
Make of that what you will.
Posted by 0Megabyte (Member # 8624) on :
As it is, I really want to see what happens next.
The ending of the first season wasn't a real climax... it didn't feel like it, honestly.
Of course, all the heroes finally met, at the same place and same time, ten minutes before the end of the season, which was cool. But even so, I wanted something more dramatic. Sylar needs to either die or become more intersting.
I want a real villian. And I want to know more about the group of heroes that Linderman, George Takai's character, Mama Patrelli, the old black guy, etc, were all part of.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
I guess it's about time to decide if I'm going back for season 2. Season 1 mostly had moments and potential.And especially with thee snail's pace the show seems to take (how can it be otherwise with about 12 main characters?)...
So, I could:
1. stop watching 2. wait for the DVD set and at least watch them all back to back 3. watch with everyone else and hope this season comes with more moments and realized potential.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
I think you are all forgetting that the little girl mentioned the thing that is much worse than Sylar. The thing that looks back when she tries to see it. That is what I am waiting for, and you see at the end of season 1 that Sylar was dragged off into the sewer (blood trail), I suspect it is that which saved him.
Edit: By the way, I am watching it right now on DVD and I think that it was better with commercials. The pace just seems a bit odd without them.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
quote:Originally posted by JonHecht: Edit: By the way, I am watching it right now on DVD and I think that it was better with commercials. The pace just seems a bit odd without them.
What an odd thing to say. Then again, I NEVER watch show with commercials anymore -- Heroes included. It's called a DVR. Although my husband recently shared the results of a study that said even with a DVR, only about 4% of the population bothers to hit the skip or fast forward button through the commercials. I just can't fathom the logic there...
Posted by vonk (Member # 9027) on :
Anybody else catch the Ando (at least I'm pretty sure it was Ando) in the McDonalds commercial? I kept thinking "Man, that job must be boring now that Hiro's gone."
Posted by kojabu (Member # 8042) on :
quote:Then again, I NEVER watch show with commercials anymore -- Heroes included. It's called a DVR.
It's also called when-they-get-put-on-the-website. I haven't had cable for a few years now so I watch everything on NBC.com or ABC.com. The pacing seemed fine to me, but that could be because I'm used to not having breaks.
When is the show actually picking up again?
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
quote:Originally posted by Christine:
quote:Originally posted by JonHecht: Edit: By the way, I am watching it right now on DVD and I think that it was better with commercials. The pace just seems a bit odd without them.
What an odd thing to say. Then again, I NEVER watch show with commercials anymore -- Heroes included. It's called a DVR. Although my husband recently shared the results of a study that said even with a DVR, only about 4% of the population bothers to hit the skip or fast forward button through the commercials. I just can't fathom the logic there...
I do the same, actually, but it is still a brief pause when you are fast forwarding. It just seems like it needs that brief pause. I dunno, maybe it's just me, but it feels odd every time when I can tell there is meant to be a commercial somewhere.
Posted by enjeeo (Member # 2336) on :
quote:Originally posted by JonHecht: I think you are all forgetting that the little girl mentioned the thing that is much worse than Sylar. The thing that looks back when she tries to see it. That is what I am waiting for, and you see at the end of season 1 that Sylar was dragged off into the sewer (blood trail), I suspect it is that which saved him.
Yes, a voice in my head screamed 'Season 2 Villian!!!' when the girl said that. I thought it was setting us up for Sylar's defeat, but looks like there'll be too villians instead.
Actually, more than two, given that the old circle of heroes seems pretty evil and manipulative also.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
There's a plot synopsis for the first two episodes of Season Two on Wikipedia.
Apparently they aren't wasting much time in introducing new characters.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
Yeah, I read all the spoilers. The new villains are interesting, as are the powers.
Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
What I wanna know is how&why a younger Spock and an older Sulu came to interact with the Heroes. Obviously Sulu's been there for a while: time enough for a highly educated man from the future to build an industrial empire. And what does his son Hiro's attempt to prevent the nuclear explosion have to do with the Guardian of Forever? Zefram Cochrane's invention of the warp drive does occur on a post-apocalyptic Earth...
[ September 13, 2007, 03:48 AM: Message edited by: aspectre ]
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
bump
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Meh. Good start I guess, though hardly exciting. I really wasn't expecting some slam bang opening, but it's as good a start as any to the new season. I just hope we keep getting more pieces every episode like last year.
I should add - What was the power Peter used to knock the guy back in the cargo container? Have we seen that one yet?
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
Alright, I am pretty much done watching it (five minutes left) and it was pretty good. It didn't feel as good as tbe first season, but I think it was because of the director.
Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
I thought that there were a few things that felt a bit stiff, and I find Claire's new love interest irritating. However, I enjoyed seeing the Bennets trying to adjust to their new lives -- I've always found Claire and her dad very interesting.
Does the thing that scares Molly so much have any connection with the powerful people that Hiro's dad refers to?
Peter's zapping powers could be a modified version of the radiation power, but I remember it being red, not bluish.
Posted by 0Megabyte (Member # 8624) on :
Well, in the future, Peter's was bluish, while Sylar's was red, if I remember correctly.
It was the same sort of thing that he did just then, actually. Only, more effective, since the bad guy was a regular mortal.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
That was fire and ice.
Posted by AvidReader (Member # 6007) on :
Did we see Peter survive at the end of last season? I kept swearing that we saw Peter hit the ground so he had to be alive somewhere, and my boyfriend kept saying no, that was Hiro. I swear I remember seeing Peter alone in the snow.
Loved the Claire and Noah scenes, even if they're going with the creepy stalker boyfriend again for her. Molly is a great little actress, and I loved her with Parkman. Not sure why they went with a divorce when he and his wife were doing better, but ok. She wasn't that great anyway. Mohinder the insider still working with Mr. Bennet was easily my favorite moment of the episode.
I can't think of anything I considered a weak storyline this season. I liked Maya and Alejandro. I love that we're going to see the original Heroes at work. I just couldn't figure out if the person in the hoodie was still there when Ando looked over the side. What's poor Ando going to do by himself?
I'm not sure I'll be as obsessive about Heroes this season, but I adored Chuck so I'll be tuning in for both.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Any guesses on who Darth Hoodie is? I was thinking Sylar, but Nakamura clearl knew him, and I can't imagine they were at any time working with Sylar, so I guess it has to be a new bad guy? And it didn't look like he was there when Ando looked over the side.
Also, does anyone suspect the Haitian is the one who removed Peter's memories? I have to imagine that at some point he will remember who he is, which rules the Haitian out, as I believe his memory rubs are permanent.
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
The amnesia could have been from ther trauma of blowing up. We never saw Peter again after the explosion, so we don't know what happened (or why Nathan survived, mirror-burns or no mirror-burns). Also don't yet know if anyone knows Nathan is alive either - he did win the race, you know. What does New York think happened to their elected official?
Posted by theCrowsWife (Member # 8302) on :
Darth Hoodie, I like that. I would say that he's another one of the old group, since Nakamura said something along the lines of, "Of all of them, I never expected you." And he (she?) may not be a bad guy: we don't know why he wanted to kill Nakamura and Mama Petrelli. She at least has already been shown to be pretty evil herself.
--Mel
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
I'm guessing Darth Hoodie is a woman. She seemed smallish, and the hood makes me think they're trying to surprise us. I don't know if it's someone we've seen, though. Maybe someone from the comics? I mean, Maya and Alejandro have been in the comics, so I knew those guys in the truck were going to be dead by the time Alejandro caught up to them.
Posted by Lanfear (Member # 7776) on :
It was good. I guess. Nothing too incredibly exciting. I absolutely want Sylar to come back on the show.
I also want to see Kristen Bell. Really really bad.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
Concerning Nathan: I am assuming that after flying up he simply flew away, that isn't hard to imagine. He probably also felt so bad about what he considered doing that he resigned his post, just based on his appearance and attitude in this ep. Not to mention that he pushed away his kids and wife.
Spoilers:
Lanfear, Sylar is coming back, they've already hired the actor and announced it. He will not be as bad as the new villain though. Rumors are that Takezo kenzei is immortal and he is the new villain, in addition to the villain having the confirmed power to control insects.
End of spoilers
I'd also assume that the amnesia is from the explosion rather than the Haitian, because the Haitian is one of the good guys by the end of season 1 and would have no reason to. He doesn't work for The Company.
[ September 26, 2007, 04:35 AM: Message edited by: JonHecht ]
Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
Have we ever found out what Mrs. Petrelli's powers are? Do they have something to do with Nathan's mirror self? Could she have somehow healed Nathan by using a mirror to switch him somehow?
I wonder if there's any connection between this use of a mirror and the really strong woman seeing an alternate self in the mirror.
Posted by brojack17 (Member # 9189) on :
In general, I liked the show. The scene with Claires family around the dinner table was extremely weird for me. I didn't care for that scene at all.
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
quote:Originally posted by brojack17: In general, I liked the show. The scene with Claires family around the dinner table was extremely weird for me. I didn't care for that scene at all.
It was somewhat off-putting. It seemed very fragmented and awkward, but not in the way it was supposed to be. Claire and Noah were the most interesting, I think. I just couldn't tell how much the mom and brother remembered and how much they didn't.
Actually, in a way, that scene reminded me vaguely of "That 70's Show" in the segments when the characters are all in the basement and they focus the camera on one person at a time and go back and forth....Just a random connection I made when watching it.
As for Peter: his amnesia is probably repressed memories from his terrible haircut..... No seriously, I imagine all his hair probably burned off in the explosion....
Ah well...
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by BandoCommando:
quote:Originally posted by brojack17: In general, I liked the show. The scene with Claires family around the dinner table was extremely weird for me. I didn't care for that scene at all.
It was somewhat off-putting. It seemed very fragmented and awkward, but not in the way it was supposed to be.
I think it was supposed to be that weird. Her mom and brother must know enough to be calling themselves Butler instead of Bennet now, but how much and what they know... I don't know. I was surprised that her mother could talk without drooling after all the brain massage she got from the Haitian.
Posted by theCrowsWife (Member # 8302) on :
quote:Originally posted by BandoCommando:
quote:Originally posted by brojack17: In general, I liked the show. The scene with Claires family around the dinner table was extremely weird for me. I didn't care for that scene at all.
It was somewhat off-putting. It seemed very fragmented and awkward, but not in the way it was supposed to be. Claire and Noah were the most interesting, I think. I just couldn't tell how much the mom and brother remembered and how much they didn't.
During that scene, I kept expecting the mother to turn out to be the shapeshifter girl (was her name Candace?). It was a strange scene.
--Mel
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
quote:Originally posted by BandoCommando: As for Peter: his amnesia is probably repressed memories from his terrible haircut..... No seriously, I imagine all his hair probably burned off in the explosion....
Ah well...
At least it's not whiny-emo-hair anymore.
And HOORAY! for Malcolm Reed. Whoops, sorry, I mean Dominic Keating. He was one of the Irish dudes who found Peter - who apparently is coming back! I love it when anyone who was on Enterprise can find more work.
Posted by Strider (Member # 1807) on :
The main guy who found Peter(not sure if it's the one you're talking about) was in Fight Club.
I thought the episode was a little slow, but mostly cool.
Posted by jh (Member # 7727) on :
I loved the season premiere of Heroes, since it raised so many questions that I am dying to know the answer to: What is the girl's mysterious power that makes people bleed from her eyeballs? What was with Nathan's mirror reflection? What happened to Peter? As for the scene with the Bennetts, the awkwardness made it that much hilarious, since the family is trying so hard to act "normal," but Claire can barely resist using her powers, HRG in a secret plot with Mohinder to take down the Company, and Mama Bennett continuing her Mr. Muggles obsession (both of whom I'm glad to see alive by the way).
Moments I liked: - Molly living with Mohinder and Parkman (so cute!) - Hiro putting on his glasses after Kensei took off his mask (I'm betting Hiro is the one who actually becomes Kensei!) - Seeing Ando again! - Claire calling Nathan
Moments I didn't like: - Claire's classmate floating outside her window spying on her
Hopefully they'll have an episode "Four Months Ago" that explains everything and how all the characters came to be where they are now. I'm SO glad my show is back!
Posted by Strider (Member # 1807) on :
Oh, I love Molly. I think she's the coolest character on the show.
Posted by scholar (Member # 9232) on :
I think that one of the spoiler sites has a list of the names of future episodes and four months ago was one them.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Yeah but, if it was going to tell us what actually happened four months ago, and that episode isn't for another couple weeks, then wouldn't it be like five or six months ago?
Unless at that point, four months ago was something significant as well!
I too suspect that Hiro, if he actually doesn't become Kensei, will have a major hand in creating the myth that surrounds him. One of those causality loops that are so much "fun" in Star Trek.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
IMO he will have to turn Takezo into the hero of legend.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
The one problem with watching the show on the internet a day late is that this thread is going to be pretty full by the time I get a chance to read and comment!
I have to tell you that the first season barely kept my interest the entire time. I watched because I thought it had great potential and I started the second season for the same reason.
And I didn't regret it. I thought the first episode of this season was very good overall and promises a season much better than #1.
No, it wasn't action-packed, but action doesn't make a good story. Conflict does. This premiere set up lots of conflict that, when it comes to an action-packed conclusion, should be all the more exciting.
I enjoyed Claire's new love interest, although I wouldn't have minded them saving the "revelation" that he is another hero for the next episode. (I mean, we all knew, but it would have kept us guessing what his power was.)
So, do you think Claire's new boyfriend (I can't remember his name) has the same power as Nathan or is his ability to float a part of another power?
I also enjoyed Claire and Mr. Bennett trying to be "normal." Their story was always the most interesting to m last season, too.
I kind of wonder what happened with Matt's wife. Maybe she got pissed at his cross-country road trip after he stole a bunch of diamonds? I wouldn't have minded a little more explanation. I mean, she's pregnant and I can't imagine Matt just walking away from that.
I liked Nathan's remorse. He needed some.
I liked Ando and Hiro's father. I'm at a loss as to who the killer might be at this point, but they've definitely got me curious!
Hiro's adventures back in time were ok. Hiro was always my favorite last season, but I'm not sure how much I like the historic subplot.
Oh yeah, and the best thing about the premiere -- Nikki/Jessie wasn't in it!!! By the end of last season I found her barely tolerable. Did anyone actually like her?
Posted by Fyfe (Member # 937) on :
I was so glad Nikki/Jessica wasn't around. The writers never give her anything interesting to do, or possibly I just find Ali Larter fundamentally boring.
I am also not sure about this Hiro back-in-time bit, although Hiro is still extremely endearing and I love him ("I'm your biggest fan!"). I think I'll like him better when he has a clearer sense of his mission. I always enjoyed it when he would talk about his destiny.
Also, I miss Eden. Eden was my most favorite hero of all.
Posted by RamseyEarl (Member # 10265) on :
I think Peter is the killer. Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
I want to know what Kaito's power was. And Mama Petrelli's.
So there are 7 "Gen Then" Heroes that we haven't met yet, and one of them is Darth Hoodie. When Kaito and Mama were talking, they said there were 9 of them left, and they were including themselves. And it was pretty clear from Kaito's reaction that Darth Hoodie was one of them.
If Kristen Bell is Darth Hoodie, she's either a shape changer or immortal.
Posted by kojabu (Member # 8042) on :
quote:So, do you think Claire's new boyfriend (I can't remember his name) has the same power as Nathan or is his ability to float a part of another power?
I think it's probably part of something else. So far they haven't repeated anything so it would be a bit weird to have two people with the same power.
I also think Hiro is going to become his hero. I think he'd have a hard time trying to get that other guy to do anything.
Edit: Didn't Kaito mention something about Linderman? I don't recall exactly what he said but it almost sounded like they worked with him. My memory is a bit fuzzy about some of those details from the past season.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
"I kind of wonder what happened with Matt's wife. Maybe she got pissed at his cross-country road trip after he stole a bunch of diamonds? I wouldn't have minded a little more explanation. I mean, she's pregnant and I can't imagine Matt just walking away from that"
Eh, they'll probably just throw in with a conversation with someone "I'm sorry to hear about the miscarriage"
Posted by Feer (Member # 9846) on :
My first thought when I saw Darth Hoodie was that it was Clairs stalker. If he wasn't dead on the floor with Kaito that would explain why. My only draw back is that he seems real young to be in that big of an organization and trusted to kill Kaito.
Was it Nathans burnt face in the mirror or Peters? I thought it was Peter.
Episode went by really quick, I was sad it was over.
Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
Is it possible the Nathan is working for the new big baddie?
Note this: When Ando was going to meeet Hiro's father at the square, someone bumped into Ando as he carried the coffe and the paper. That person looked, at the time, like a heavily bearded Syler. Later, I am sure it turns out it was Nathan. Then Ando meets Hiro's father and Hiro's father finds the picture with the red design on it.
Later Nathan is coming home and his mother is there. She leaves and her picture is on the wall outside his room, again with the red design on it.
msquared
Posted by Avatar300 (Member # 5108) on :
quote:Was it Nathans burnt face in the mirror or Peters? I thought it was Peter.
I also thought it was Peter. I figured it was Nathan feeling guilty for letting things get so far, knowing he could have prevented the situation that allowed Peter to go nuclear.
Posted by Mucus (Member # 9735) on :
quote:Originally posted by kojabu: So far they haven't repeated anything so it would be a bit weird to have two people with the same power.
Perhaps Nathan and Claire's new love interest at school?
Posted by Elmer's Glue (Member # 9313) on :
The guy from Claire's school has astral projection. I thought it was obvious.
Posted by Mucus (Member # 9735) on :
Depends on your definition of completely obvious Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
quote:Originally posted by msquared: Is it possible the Nathan is working for the new big baddie?
Note this: When Ando was going to meeet Hiro's father at the square, someone bumped into Ando as he carried the coffe and the paper. That person looked, at the time, like a heavily bearded Syler. Later, I am sure it turns out it was Nathan. Then Ando meets Hiro's father and Hiro's father finds the picture with the red design on it.
Later Nathan is coming home and his mother is there. She leaves and her picture is on the wall outside his room, again with the red design on it.
msquared
You are probably right. There was no body next to Mr. Nakamura or an indication where the hooded assailant came from (do I recall a gust of wind before the death)? The hooded sweatshirt is a clue that we know the person, but we aren't supposed to know who yet. He has motive, but hasn't been presented as a vengeful killer yet, which sets him up to be a killer for "shock" value. I'd say there's enough probability for TV equations to equal out to Nathan.
At the same time though, if the writers were intelligent, all of that could be a red herring for someone we haven't met yet. That'd be cool.
And whoe else thinks papa petrelli is still alive?
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I didn't consider Nathan until someone at work the other day told me of the grudge he had against the company, and how obvious a choice he was to want to kill them.
But still, I don't think he could kill his own mother. But given how television works, I wouldn't be supersurprised.
Posted by EmpSquared (Member # 10890) on :
As to the identity of Darth Hoodie-- and I'm just throwing it out here-- if it was Takezo Kensei? The blonde English guy, I mean. The main reason I say this is because Hiro can't stay in the past all season (or at least I hope he doesn't because that would be one drawn-out plotline), but actor David Anders is on the main cast list. Now, I know nobody's safe in the show, having him pop up in the future would be a pretty shocking explanation, and it would keep him in the show once Hiro's done in ancient Japan.
If it's not him, then I think it's Nathan, because Nathan bumping into Ando is awfully suspicious.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Yeah, but if his power is immortality, how did he survive the fall off the roof? He's immortal AND he can fly or is invulnerable? Generally heroes thus far, with two exceptions, haven't had more than one power.
Posted by EmpSquared (Member # 10890) on :
Touché-- but Kaito's "I never thought it was you" had me discounting Nathan in the back of my mind. Sure, it is really hard to believe him targeting his own mother, but the way Kaito says the line leads me to believe that he knows his attempted (?) killer more intimately than, say, from a picture Mama Petrelli some time long ago-- but I'm just grasping for straws. Maybe I'm overthinking it. But to my recollection, Nathan has never met Kaito in-show.
But seeing as how I can't believe for sure that I know who the killer is-- I guess that's a testament to the writers and how they've got me puzzled from day one. Of the second season.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Alright, I'm convinced that Maya's ability is Separation Anxiety.
I'm wondering what powers Darth Hoodie has, that he could get into the interrogation room and terrorize Mama Petrelli, but couldn't actually kill her in the allotted time, and then make his way back out again without being seen.
The only thing I didn't like this week? The insane melodramatization of "THE BOX!!!!" Note to NBC: Your show is already mysterious and exciting, you don't have to hype it that much for us to watch next week, especially not with something as goofy as a box.
Good episode I thought this week, I remain interested as always. The only other complaint I had was that it seemed to me that cutting off your own toe would hurt a LOT more than it seemed to hurt Claire, unless she can partially deaden the pain too as part of her powers.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
I started laughing when they did "THE BOX".
I was thinking about the whole Hiro/Kensei thing. I think you can divide people up into three groups. Those who never considered for a moment that Hiro might wind up being Kensei, those who expected Hiro to wind up being Kensei, and those who figured that Hiro becoming Kensei was too obvious, and wouldn't happen.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
It's possible that Claire has become a sadist, and thus enjoyed cutting off her toe.
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
The Haitian is, as always, awesome, and can only get better now that he's back in cahoots with Noah.
And Claire's new love interest (whose name escapes me because he's NOT INTERESTING) is a creepy little peeping Tom.
I'm still waiting for the return of Dominic Keating, as well. Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by JonHecht: It's possible that Claire has become a sadist, and thus enjoyed cutting off her toe.
If you're right, then she's suffering from multiple personality disorder.
Sadists like hurting other people. Masochists like hurting themselves or being hurt by others.
Masochist: "Hurt me again!" Sadist: (after long pause) "No."
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
Oy! I feel silly. Don't know why my brain did that.
Posted by 0Megabyte (Member # 8624) on :
"Masochist: "Hurt me again!" Sadist: (after long pause) "No." "
That is one of the best things I've ever read. So definitely what a true sadist would do to a masochist! Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
quote:Originally posted by JonHecht: Oy! I feel silly. Don't know why my brain did that.
Sure, blame your brain.
Posted by Feer (Member # 9846) on :
Was it Darth Hoodie who attacked Mama? It could have very well been someone else.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lisa: I started laughing when they did "THE BOX".
I just groaned, I think. And it was extra lame to me because Prison Break had done the exact same lame stunt an hour earlier.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Word on the street is that Veronica Mars' powers will be electricity...
Which to me suggests she is part of the group that's been holding Peter for the last four months, and which might discount her Darth status.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
But it got you talking about the box, so evidently it worked.
Edit: Peter had his electricity power inside the other box ( ) and that was when he was only in it with a group of a few guys, so uhh.
Edit2: Gee, I hope there are no retcons in this show, especially retcons about the same season.
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
I was surprised that Claire didn't show as much pain as you'd think. All through last season whe went through seriously painful events without more than a wince, suggesting that her healing power isn't just something tacked onto a "normal" human but is an integral part of her, so her pain receptors would work differently. Also, it helps a lot if you know the pain will fade almost immediately.
I would expect all of the heroes to have secondary changes. Nathan should have improved eyesight and be remarkably resistant to cold, for example. If we wanted to try and be logical about it.
Posted by Feer (Member # 9846) on :
Clair didn't get blood anywhere... Hardly a drop. For how long it took to grow back, there should be blood all over that table.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Feer: Clair didn't get blood anywhere... Hardly a drop. For how long it took to grow back, there should be blood all over that table.
Omg, you're right. I was totally buying the cutting off her own toe and then watching it grow back in a few seconds. But now I see that it's unrealistic.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
How much blood does the foot have that it could lose that rapidly? Do feet bleed alot? Not in my experience, not like an arm or the head for example.
Edit: Maybe her blood coagulates extremely quickly too, so even though it took a while for the toe to grow back the bleeding had already stopped as a result.
Edit2: By the way, it also implies that both her and Takezo are immortal. If you continuously heal then aging has no effect on you.
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
Allow me to reiterate: "...suggesting that her healing power isn't just something tacked onto a "normal" human but is an integral part of her..."
She ain't normal. There's no reason she would react, bleed, feel pain the same as a normal human.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
That's also a good point, pain is designed to allow us to realize that our body is in danger. Hers isn't.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by scholar: I think that one of the spoiler sites has a list of the names of future episodes and four months ago was one them.
It's not really a spoiler site, but if you go to the Epguides page for Heroes, it currently shows the titles and airdates for several of the next eps.
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
The genetics related stuff is driving me crazy. Just so stupid especially for someone studying it daily.
Posted by Slim (Member # 2334) on :
quote:Originally posted by JonHecht: By the way, it also implies that both her and Takezo are immortal. If you continuously heal then aging has no effect on you.
Unless they get something lodged in their brain, of course.
Posted by 0Megabyte (Member # 8624) on :
But if you pull it out again they come back.
Unless you cut off their head entirely. Or maybe it's just removing the brain that permenantly kills them?
Posted by Mrs.M (Member # 2943) on :
I have no idea what happened with any of the scenes with Nathan because his beard causes my brain to go away until it's off the screen. Please let them shave it soon.
Mmmmm, Mohinder.
I assumed that Parkman left his wife and unborn child to protect them until the Company is brought down.
Everything about the cheerleading in Claire's high school is head-explodingly wrong.
I just assumed that SarkSamurai (Kensei) is an ancestor of Claire's. Hiro calling after the bad guys was hilarious. "This would make a great legend. The Battle of the Twelve Swords is a good name." The bad guy was funny too - "Why does he keep saying his own name?"
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
Btw, for those of you who haven't been keeping up with the comics, this week's issue (and these things are only about 5-6 pages each week) deals with what happened in between Mohinder mentioning the Company to the Haitian and Mohinder talking to his Company contact. Yes, it's clear even in the show that Mohinder and the Haitian were in it together, but the comic shows it in detail.
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mrs.M: Mmmmm, Mohinder.
Um, YES. My mind wanders to the Bad Place whenever he comes onscreen. Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
Spoiler from AOL
"That Kensei ( David Anders), after losing the princess' love to Hiro, will travel to the present as Kane, a character more evil than Sylar. Kane may even be the mysterious "Boogeyman" character Molly warned about last season."
Posted by Tammy (Member # 4119) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mrs.M: Mmmmm, Mohinder.
Ah, so true!
Posted by Olivet (Member # 1104) on :
When they were beating Peter and asking him about the iPods, my hubby said, "Those must be the stupidest bad guys ever. If you opened a container that was supposed to be full of iPods and found someone tied up there, just WHY would you think that person stole them?"
About Claire's bleeding... Sometimes very deep wounds don't bleed right away. It's a shock thing, I think. Severed blood vessels have a tendency to constrict, cutting down on the immediate flow of blood (unless of course it is a major vessel, which you don't find in pinky toes anyway).
I could be wrong, but I know I've seen very deep wounds (that required surgery and stuff to repair) that took a good 10-15 seconds to begin to bleed.
I don't think Peeping Tom is an astral projector, since he dropped a book.
Posted by scholar (Member # 9232) on :
I didn't get why Claire didn't look up. The dog is barking upward, so that would make me glance up. And if my uncle and father who I was desperately hoping would take an interest in my life were capable of flight, I would probably constantly be scanning the skies at night (I know she thinks Peter is dead, but she knows better then anyone else Peter's regen power, so at some level, she should be expecting him to come back).
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:When they were beating Peter and asking him about the iPods, my hubby said, "Those must be the stupidest bad guys ever. If you opened a container that was supposed to be full of iPods and found someone tied up there, just WHY would you think that person stole them?"
Your hubby and I think alike.
Scholar: The dog thing bothered me as well, it was almost like she was determined to NOT look up when acting the scene.
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Also can anybody explain what is up with the girl with the killer stigmata? I mean seriously, how is that a genetic advantage?
Posted by beatnix19 (Member # 5836) on :
It's justy another mutation. Somewhere they talked about how all mutations aren't good ones and those mutations need to be eliminated. I think it was the geeky company guy talking to Mohindar but I could be wrong. If you think about it, not all mutations in the real world are for the better of the species. those get eliminated and that weeker strand disappears to be replaced by stronger mutations. Same thing here, just at super human levels.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
Heroes 202 moved a bit more slowly, like I've come to expect from the show, but it was still decent.
Plus, we're 2 for 2 on no Nikki/Jessie!
Anyone else beginning to wonder if the "hero" that Hiro is trying to toughen up is going to somehow turn out to be the boggeyman? I'm not sure how, it just crossed my mind...he seems to have the same power as Claire and we don't know how far that goes. May be he doesn't die and is still alive.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
Spoiler:
It was revealed that Kane is played by the same person who plays Takezo, Kane is the boogeyman. Obviously the boogeyman is Takezo, unless the writers have something REALLY bizarre in mind. Anyway, it was also revealed that Kane's power is controlling insects, which means that he has two powers. That sets a precedent.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
quote:Scholar: The dog thing bothered me as well, it was almost like she was determined to NOT look up when acting the scene.
We're talking about Mr. Muggles here, do we really trust his judgement? He spends his day in AKC exile watching dog shows on tv, I wouldn't be surprised if he was popping doggy valiums and sippin the sauce.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by Christine: Heroes 202 moved a bit more slowly, like I've come to expect from the show, but it was still decent.
Plus, we're 2 for 2 on no Nikki/Jessie!
Anyone else beginning to wonder if the "hero" that Hiro is trying to toughen up is going to somehow turn out to be the boggeyman? I'm not sure how, it just crossed my mind...he seems to have the same power as Claire and we don't know how far that goes. May be he doesn't die and is still alive.
Perhaps the blond hair blue eyed Brit is Claire's ancestor through her mom's side? What I mean is that he healed himself and Hiro only thinks he helped him. Although the idea of Hiro grooming the new seasons villain is quite intriguing.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
Funniest... post... ever... - Comic Book Guy
Posted by Tammy (Member # 4119) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn:
quote:Scholar: The dog thing bothered me as well, it was almost like she was determined to NOT look up when acting the scene.
We're talking about Mr. Muggles here, do we really trust his judgement? He spends his day in AKC exile watching dog shows on tv, I wouldn't be surprised if he was popping doggy valiums and sippin the sauce.
Ha! I was thinking the same thing, why doesn't she look up? Then I realized, she doesn't respect poor Mr. Muggles. I have a beagle that watches tv like that, hilarious.
Posted by Elmer's Glue (Member # 9313) on :
Fine, I was wrong. I assumed he had astral projection because flying would be a repeat power, and I didn't think he would spy on someone if he was so easily visible.
So they have given up on new powers? Flying and healing again?
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
I think the theory is that there isn't an infinite number of genetic mutations.
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
Dude, in terms of adaptive variation in B-cells, there is a total of 10^19 variations. Of course, the vast majority of those variations don't happen, but we still see something like 10^9 variations. Anything can happen ^^;;.
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
Hey, now. I never said it was my theory... Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
ah, but what some people may not realize is that the immune system undergoes an amazing process. Just like the bacteria/viruses are constantly changing to expand more aggressively, our own immune system does the same!
Our immune system actually has 7 main systems to create new antibodys, one of which is basically allowing random changes to occur.
...//digression
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
quote:Originally posted by Elmer's Glue: Fine, I was wrong. I assumed he had astral projection because flying would be a repeat power, and I didn't think he would spy on someone if he was so easily visible.
So they have given up on new powers? Flying and healing again?
I was wondering if maybe the powers are replicated in different generations? I'm still kind of hoping the new kid's power is more than just flying, but as he is definitely young enough to be Nathan's son...like I said, I'm still hoping for something else. Flying isn't even the best power, IMHO.
Posted by Olivet (Member # 1104) on :
I agree. It would be cool if it was something else that made him able to do what he did.
It doesn't bother me that they have Sark/Samurai guy regenerating, though. It seems like that would be such an advantageous mutation that it would be more common, if such things existed. Flying, not so much.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
Olivet, now you're trying to make logical sense of these mutations in terms of Darwinian evolution. I just don't have the sense that this show is trying to do this, however much they throw the word "genetics" around. They just want a bunch of people with cool powers that make good television.
I mean, if *actual* genetics were involved, children would probably have powers very simiiar to their parents'.
That self-healing thing would be useful, though.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
Christine, I doubt they will be doing incest week on heroes. There is no way he is Nathan's son.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
OMG! I never suggested he was! I said he was YOUNG enough to be -- I was only pointing out they were from different generations. Ew Ew Ew.
Posted by erosomniac (Member # 6834) on :
I finally watched the first season and nbc.com'd the first two of the second season.
I'm really upset they brought back Mohinder. Talk about a crappy character played by a crappy actor. Ech!
Then again, crap seems to be the theme this season, what with Mr. Gold Spoon and Mr. Unoriginal Flying Power (who is one of the most annoying characters I've ever seen on television).
I may have to stop watching this show. It had a lot of potential, but the sudden, progressive drop in quality at the end of the first season hasn't turned around.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
The problem with geek shows is that the writers are rarely as "smart" -- for a given meaning of "smart" -- as their audience. And once the show goes mainstream, they only need to be as smart as the "typical" person, and are even punished for going over that hypothetical person's head. So geeks who loved the show because it was clever are quickly dismissed as an insignificant -- even irritating and undesirable -- audience once it mainstreams and the authors get tired of having to be clever all the time.
Posted by Olivet (Member # 1104) on :
quote:Originally posted by Christine: Olivet, now you're trying to make logical sense of these mutations in terms of Darwinian evolution. I just don't have the sense that this show is trying to do this, however much they throw the word "genetics" around. They just want a bunch of people with cool powers that make good television.
I know, I know! *bangs head* I can't help trying make actual sense of it, though. As frustrating as such attempts are doomed to be, as an INTJ I'm intrigued by improbabilities but still feel the need to be rational about them.
Which is probably why I've mostly given up on TV. *sigh*
The biggest misgiving I have about Heroes is that their lead writer, Bryan Fuller, left this season to do his own series, "Pushing Daisies." This, my friends, does not bode well.
With him gone, I fear the tiny seeds of inconsistency - showered by the waters of misused science vocabulary - will grow into a big, ugly hedge of I-Don't-Care-Anymore.
But at this point, I'm still hopeful. Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
"So geeks who loved the show because it was clever are quickly dismissed as an insignificant -- even irritating and undesirable -- audience once it mainstreams and the authors get tired of having to be clever all the time."
At least I still have House. It dropped a Schrodinger's Cat joke .
Posted by Javert Hugo (Member # 3980) on :
quote:The biggest misgiving I have about Heroes is that their lead writer, Bryan Fuller, left this season to do his own series, "Pushing Daisies." This, my friends, does not bode well.
On the upside, I saw Pushing Daisies last night and quite enjoyed it. The look is lovely, the main actors not bad, and the ending was even a little bit clever. And I adore Kristen Chenoweth.
As quirky as Gilmore Girls, but not as clever and I think it's sweeter. Plus, lots of morbid deaths. I like the sweetness contrasted with the darker humor. And the narrator is a great deal better than the lame narration done by Mohinder.
The narration on Heroes makes me appreciate the episode Passions from Buffy the Vampire Slayer all the more - you don't notice how good it is until you hear other people try to do the same thing.
quote:He philosophizes on his breakdown of people into two categories: robots and aliens, the former operating on conventional logic (to the point that he can float only a few feet above their heads without their knowledge, as "they never look up") and the latter being abstract thinkers.
This was actually my biggest problem with the season opener. I get that this is supposed to make him intelligent, deep, and attractively cocky, but it reminds me of nothing so much as the kids who wander onto Hatrack having read The Fountainhead and expect to be king of the world, get smacked down, and get mad about it.
Abstract thinking is hardly connected to awareness of the outside world. There's a reason the Far Side cartoon is so funny.
Posted by Olivet (Member # 1104) on :
You know, I really should check out Pushing Daisies. I'm still watching Heroes because I hope it will pay off on its early promise, but the two episodes so far have been bland and unsatisfying (but Nikki-free!).
I would automatically watch anything written by Joss Whedon and a few others, so it makes sense to give Fuller's new thing a try.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
I don't know, I thought the season premiere had some promise this season, but episode 2 quickly showed me that we're going to have the same pacing problems, split-storyline, and overwhelming # of characters as before. I mean, the premiere set us up for the new season, but what actually happened in episode 2? We found out Claire could regrow her toe. That was really gross. I averted my eyes when she grabbed the scissors.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
Which brings up another point, how much effort does it really take to cut off a toe. She seemed to do it with dull scissors rather easily. How fake.
*Hopes people get the irony*
Posted by Lanfear (Member # 7776) on :
It's interesting to me, and this isn't meant to insult anyone....
How much I care about television and the industry. I keep up with the latest news, not so much in a "celebrity" sort of way, but in the way that I think it would be a ton of fun to do something in the tv industry.
But for the sake of my argument.. Let's just say I'm not a passive tv watcher. I select few programs and watch them.
I've never been critical of heroes the way you guys are here. I've enjoyed basically every week of it. I realize there are slow parts and parts that aren't written well, but overall I'm fascinated by the plot and love all the characters. While some aren't as good as others I can live with that.
I just wonder if its my lack of experience that makes me less cynical about this sort of thing.
Posted by Feer (Member # 9846) on :
Lanfear...You just discribed my TV watching life.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lanfear: I just wonder if its my lack of experience that makes me less cynical about this sort of thing.
Probably. I've become more cynical about these things the older I get and the more I study the craft of writing and story-telling. But I'm still sticking with Heroes right now so they must have done some things right. Actually, I know exactly what they've done right: They've created adult wish fulfillment fantasy. We get so little of that. They also have a few characters that I've fallen in love with -- Hiro, Ando, Peter, Claire, Mr. Bennett, Matt, and even Nathan in a weird sort of way. I love them more than I dislike Nikki, Mohinder, and Syler, which are my problem characters.
Posted by lem (Member # 6914) on :
What about the BUG?
[Season 1 spoilers]
I finished watching season one just recently. I saw the entire season in 2 days. One of the things I noticed is that in the Cell where they kept Sylar (and some of the other mutants), I kept seeing an abnormally large cockroach looking bug.
At first I thought it was out of place and decided that since it took effort to put the bug there, it much be significant. However, I dismissed that idea in favor of a more simple explanation of using the bug for mood effect.
HOWEVER, at the end of the season after Sylar dies and Peter explodes high in the sky, you see the same bug coming out of a sewer.
*I just remembered a certain type of cockroach was mentioned in one of Mohinder's lectures.*
Has there been any hint of a Bug hero/villain? I was thinking it is related to the much worse villain that the little girl referenced.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
On the DVD commentary they said that at the beginning they just thought the bug would be cool, because of what Mohinder said in ep. 1 about cockroaches being the ultimate survivors.
However!!! They revealed that Kane's power would be controlling bugs, so they could have decided that based on the presence of bugs in season 1. A retcon of sorts.
Posted by ricree101 (Member # 7749) on :
quote:Originally posted by Olivet: but the two episodes so far have been bland and unsatisfying (but Nikki-free!).
Well, we knew that couldn't last long. She was very much a bit character, though, so it will hopefully not be as large a presence as the first season, so who knows. In season one, the Bennet family provided some of the best moments in the series, so it's a shame to see how bland it is now, but hopefully things will get interesting again there.
As usual, Hiro continues to be the focus for the most interesting story in the show. It will be interesting to see how it connects with the rest of the plot line. I'm also liking Peter's story so far, although who knows how long that will last. He seems to have absorbed pretty much everyone's powers since he left, and I'm worried that this is just the writer's holding pen for him to prevent him from becoming some sort of superman.
I'm really disappointed with the Sylar storyline. I honestly thought that the character had a lot of potential now that he is no longer forced to be the main villian of the series, but it looks like the writers are just going to keep forcing him down the same old path he's been down before. That said, I'm still thinking that there's a decent chance that he's still just locked in a very good illusion. I mean, she really can't be so dumb as to have let her guard down while alone with a power hungry psychopath, right?
Other than that, I'm not sure about this season. I think it's up a little from the worst of season 1, but nowhere near the level it peaked at.
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
The new undiscovered painting was a much better cliff-hanger-type ending than anything they'd pulled since late last season. Granted, there haven't been that many episodes since, but it felt like TPTB are getting back into their groove, as it were.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
Oy! I almost forgot that Heroes is on tonight!
Posted by Joldo (Member # 6991) on :
Hmm . . .
This season has been a haven for the slashers. As of this episode, we have: ~the possibility of Sylar/Sylar fanfic ~Peter Petrelli, chained up, wet, and half-naked in the back of a storage unit (yum!) ~Molly has two daddies. 'nuff said. ~Also, Claire's new boyfriend's fascination with her healing powers has led my lady to talk about whips. Um. She's writing fanfic now.
Oh well. I've never complained when they had the slashers food.
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
quote:Molly has two daddies
I giggle about that every single time. It's just so perfectly cute.
And that Sylar-on-Sylar definitely has potential...
Posted by Joldo (Member # 6991) on :
Yeah, I'm slashing me some Sylar/Sylar right now.
"You're special." "You're special." "Nuh-uh, you're the special one." "You're specialer." "You're specialest." *Sylars attempt to eat each others' brains*
They make a cute couple.
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
Posted by krynn (Member # 524) on :
whatever happened to the woman who could communicate with the internet? the one who met Ted and Matt and got them to work together in season 1. did we ever see her again after that?
EDIT: im glad the Haitian has his ability again. i thought he was a cool character.
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
Haitian is definitely cooler than everyone. He keeps quiet, so he's mysterious, and he doesn't say anything annoying. A big plus over Claire.
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
Let's have a show of hands: Who thinks Sylar is still in an illusion and Candace really isn't dead?
Posted by 0Megabyte (Member # 8624) on :
Candace can't be that stupid.
Especially with the revelation thta he still can't get her powers.
However, the pulling back to the island or jungle or whatever... hmm.
Could go either way.
Posted by Lanfear (Member # 7776) on :
I didn't enjoy this episode as much. Claire and her new boytoy weren't believable at all. The dialogue was so lame, as was their flight into the sky.
Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
If you want to know about the girl who can communicate with the internet, read the comics.
Posted by ricree101 (Member # 7749) on :
quote:Originally posted by Carrie: Let's have a show of hands: Who thinks Sylar is still in an illusion and Candace really isn't dead?
I was sure of it until the pullaway. Yeah, we don't know what the limits of her powers are, but that shot definitely seemed to be the director's way of telling us that what just happened was real. Also, this is the first time we've seen an overweight Candace, so that seems to be more evidence in favor of the idea that the events are real.
Either way, I'm disappointed. I've always felt that Sylar had a ton of potential as a character, and that his "death" really provided a great opportunity to develop his character into something interesting. Zachary Quinto seems like a really good actor for the part, and I think that he could really do a great job if the writers would make him into something more than a cliche. From this episode, though, it doesn't seem like there is much chance of that happening.
Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
I think that Candace wouldn't have allowed herself to be seen as she really is, so I'm guessing she's dead. And if she is, then she was pretty stupid. Oh, and did anyone notice all the ticking clock noises in the background when he killed her?
I agree that a reformed Sylar would be way more interesting than leaving him as just a psychopathic villain. Maybe losing his powers will have an effect. I guess we'll see. And just why did he lose his powers, anyway?
Bleh to Claire's new boyfriend. He's a jerk. And if he's been tagged, then the company knows about him, and associating with him could put Claire in danger.
I wonder if they'll really kill Mr. Bennet or if they'll find a way to make the painting come true without him being dead. Maybe it will be Sylar posing as him with Candace's power? Or possibly Peter if he ever came in contact with her.
Molly has two daddies. Heh. It *is* cute. Although you'd think that a telepath wouldn't be so helpless when Molly refuses to talk. The idea of Sylar with himself, though, is just...ew. I guess it makes sense for a megalomaniac like him.
I wonder if each generation has a set of powers -- so maybe there wouldn't be another person Claire's age who can regenerate, but there might be one from her father's generation, or her grandmother's.
Oh, and it looks like they're going to have yet another original Star Trek actor! Next, they should have Leonard Nimoy show up and play Sylar's father.
Posted by ricree101 (Member # 7749) on :
quote:Originally posted by Shigosei: I agree that a reformed Sylar would be way more interesting than leaving him as just a psychopathic villain. Maybe losing his powers will have an effect. I guess we'll see. And just why did he lose his powers, anyway?
Presumably the virus that Molly and the Haitian had, although I don't know why Candace wasn't effected.
Posted by Elmer's Glue (Member # 9313) on :
The Claire/stalker storyline is boring and doesn't make much sense.
I was hoping to see the Haitian and Mr. Bennett in this episode.
I'm hoping the twin's story goes somewhere. And how lame is the product placement? They drive off in a Nissan Rogue?!
I thought they should have just killed Sylar off in Season 1, but whatev. The sylar story was better than I was expecting. Very interesting.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
Why don't you think it makes sense? I think West is terrific. For once, here's a character who takes simple joy in being able to do something different. How many of those have we had up until now? One. Hiro.
And there's the added twist of Claire's dad being the subject of his worst nightmares, so she's going to have to come clean to him about that, eventually.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by krynn: whatever happened to the woman who could communicate with the internet? the one who met Ted and Matt and got them to work together in season 1. did we ever see her again after that?
The four part Wireless story takes place before we see Hana in the show, and the two parter takes place afterwards. And despite the title, it's not quite so cut and dried.
The comic is canon. There's stuff in there that's relevant to the show.
This is the story of Betty/Candice/Michelle, if you're interested.
Posted by kojabu (Member # 8042) on :
Why oh why is Niki back?
Posted by Mrs.M (Member # 2943) on :
They are taking up way to much time with the twins. Time I could be watching SarkSamurai or Mohinder.
I bet Mohinder smells really good.
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
Maybe if he'd just stand on the set and not talk, I could abide him. Smelling good-- bonus!
(I can't stand Mohinder.)
I was underwhelmed last night. I continue to not see why this show is such a big deal. Especially stupid-- "The man with the horn-rimmed glasses..."
dun-dun-duuuuuuunh.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
Yeah, that was stupid. Last night was pretty disappointing overall. Peter was stupid, the twins are pointless and annoying, Claire's new boyfriend was even stupider and more annoying . . .
I'm not feeling very confident about this season.
Posted by erosomniac (Member # 6834) on :
I don't think I'm watching anymore. The last five episodes or so have been incredibly disappointing.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
Mr Reed from Enterprise was on yay!
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
Eh. I'll rate this episode as "not bad enough to quit watching -- barely." It reminds me of this point last season. I don't think the writers know how to maintain a fulfilling story arc. Things just aren't progressing.
1. The Spanish twins need to actually do something or die. I just don't care about them right now. They have nothing to do with anything. Plus, they make me read subtitles. I mean, I'm willing to do it for Hiro but these two don't even say anything interesting.
2. What was up with Syler? I mean, I knew they were going to bring him back this season but I have two huge problems with his re-entry. One, it was obvious he was going to kill illusion chick (and yeah, she's dead -- we wouldn't have seen her fat until she was dead). So half of me was wondering, "How stupid can she be?" But the other half of me is wondering whether the show is being inconsistent. Either he has powers or he doesn't, but he seems to have half his power -- the power to kill without being able to actually use what he figured out about how the power worked.
3. I love Hiro, but I want him back in our time. I'm very so-so about the 1671 storyline.
4. Nikki came back! Argh! At least she didn't do much except get sick.
5. Why is Peter using his powers to steal? And the whole amnesia thing is so cliche it almost hurts. It's almost like they made him too powerful and the only way they can think to undo some of that is to make him have to relearn his power. They *did* make him too powerful.
I think fly boy is the only thing I actually liked out of this episode -- and no one else seems to be with me on that one. I was just glad he finally came out and told Claire.
Posted by scholar (Member # 9232) on :
The twins are annoying because they aren't progressing. My husband, who doesn't really watch the show was like, so, are they any more interesting in the US. So, I had to tell him they were still not here. He just groaned. Get to the US already!!!
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
Sylar never had a specific "power to kill"—he just used his other powers to kill. And this time he just smashed her in the side of the head with something.
I think Peter's story is not the only one so cliche it hurts—so is Hiro's. Which leaves the show . . . where, exactly?
[ October 09, 2007, 03:36 PM: Message edited by: Jon Boy ]
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Christine: I think fly boy is the only thing I actually liked out of this episode -- and no one else seems to be with me on that one. I was just glad he finally came out and told Claire.
<--- someone
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
quote:Originally posted by Elmer's Glue: I'm hoping the twin's story goes somewhere. And how lame is the product placement? They drive off in a Nissan Rogue?!
Wasn't that Claire's Nissan Rogue?
Posted by Joldo (Member # 6991) on :
I think flyboy is adorable. He's such a teenager.
Posted by Slim (Member # 2334) on :
Ah, yes. I loved this episode. I like the suspense. I can't say yet whither it is better than the 1st season or not, but to those who complain about the slow-moving plot, remember last season?
Episode 1: Issac paints the future with a bomb exploding in New York. Episode 2: Hiro goes to the future, and learns a bomb explodes in New York on November 8th. (and the present is October 2nd) Episode 5: "Save the Cheerleader, save the world" Episode 9: Isaac paints an exploding man. Peter saves the Cheerleader Episode 11: Peter fears he's the exploding man. Episode 20: Peter (in an alternate future) was the exploding man, but everyone thought it was Sylar. Episode 22: Peter and Sylar both take Ted's exploding man power. Episode 23: They stop an exploding man.
Even though all the episodes were good, there were about 8 episodes of what some may call "actual plot."
Anyway...
Peter: Just open the box already!!!
Twins: *gasp* She was trying to kill that dude, wasn't she!? Maybe she really is EVIL!!!
Niki: She's back? *groan* ...So she wants to be cured, but she has to do "something" first, huh? Too bad about DL, though.
Flying kid/Claire: They both seem excited to meet someone else with powers. I'm sure the romance will die once they realize they have nothing else in common. Oh, wait, I forgot. People who hate each other at first always end up falling in love.
The Painting: !!! - I was expecting one for each of the remaining living group that was being killed off one by one (minus the killer) -- But then does that mean Noah is part of that group................?
Sylar: Yes! Sylar's back! But unable to reach civilization ... he may have to come to terms with his psychotic killer habit. But of course his part leaves a lot of questions -- 1. Did he really kill Candace, or was that an illusion? 2. Was/is Candace only making him think he lost his powers with her illusions, or does he have the power-stopping disease? 3. Why does The Company (I assume) want him alive? They wanted him alive when they captured him last time, too. ... 4. Now that he's stranded with no powers, what will he do?! Maybe this is what The Company wants, for him to survive on his own without using other people's powers? Straighten him out or something? ... 5. etc.
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mrs.M: I bet Mohinder smells really good.
Mmm... thanks for the good mental image. Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
Slim: You're forgetting that the writers aren't putting that much complexity/intricacy into this season.
Posted by Elmer's Glue (Member # 9313) on :
What could Claire possibly see in West? He's a jerk and he's a stalker/peeping tom. The connection with Noah and West was interesting, but from the painting it looks like its going to get HRG killed..
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
HRG is a character I sorta like, too.
Posted by ricree101 (Member # 7749) on :
quote:Originally posted by Phanto: HRG is a character I sorta like, too.
I like the character, but I really have almost no interest in his family situation. As far as I'm concerned, that storyline was pretty much played out after the episode "Company Man" (which was one of my favorite of the series). There was an interesting story, but it seems like it's pretty much concluded and all that's left is more of the "we're in hiding now" episodes. Maybe they'll prove me wrong, but right now I just don't see much there that's particularly interesting.
Edit:
As far as plot goes, I can sort of agree with you, but there's more to a tv show than simply plot. For most of the first season, there was an atmosphere and presentation that made the plot elements so much more engaging, and a lot of this seems to have disappeared from the show. I know that they can't keep up the whole mystery atmosphere forever, but right now it seems like it's becoming more and more like a run of the mill show about people with super powers.
Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
quote: What could Claire possibly see in West?
Father figure. Who else flies but her real father?
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
quote:Originally posted by Elmer's Glue: What could Claire possibly see in West? He's a jerk and he's a stalker/peeping tom. The connection with Noah and West was interesting, but from the painting it looks like its going to get HRG killed..
Claire probably sees a lot in him. What has she wanted forever now? To fit in. She thinks she's a freak and doesn't like being one of a kind. That's why she gravitated towards her Uncle Peter, but he's absent now. And she was never exactly going to have a relationship with her biological parents. So here's this kid, kinda cute, like her, and more than that -- he doesn't want her to hide who she is but take pride in who she is. He's also smart. He had her figured out right away and then spent his time trying to get her to admit it. Yeah, I'm not entirely thrilled with his peeping tom approach but I understand it. This kid's probably never met anyone else like him either and he was fascinated/curious. Honestly, I think people are dismissing him way to easily for a couple of minor snooping transgressions.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
Did anyone else notice that Peter now has a "godsend" tatoo on his arm that appears and disappears the way Nikki/Jessica's tatoo appeared and disappeared in the first season?
Peter met Nikki in the final battle last season before he blew up. We know he picked up her super strength but it now appears that he may have picked up her split personality as well. I wonder what direction they are going to go with that.
Posted by Slim (Member # 2334) on :
quote:Originally posted by Phanto: Slim: You're forgetting that the writers aren't putting that much complexity/intricacy into this season.
Maybe not, but what if they are? I think it's too early to tell. Heck, I'm not even sure what the main story arc for this season is supposed to be. The Disease? Dearth Hoodie? Kensei? Bringing The Company down?
I'll save final judgment until the series is over. All I'm saying is so far I like it.
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
Edit: Duplicate post.... Sorry!
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
quote:Originally posted by Carrie:
quote:Originally posted by Elmer's Glue: I'm hoping the twin's story goes somewhere. And how lame is the product placement? They drive off in a Nissan Rogue?!
Wasn't that Claire's Nissan Rogue?
I hadn't considered that, but it is a distinct possibility.
Regarding Peter's tatoo, I assumed he had the 'godsend' tattoo since that's what his necklace had on it, and they simply included it as part of his 'scottish gang' tattoo. But then, of course, it disappeared because of his healing powers....
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Rabbit: Did anyone else notice that Peter now has a "godsend" tatoo on his arm that appears and disappears the way Nikki/Jessica's tatoo appeared and disappeared in the first season?
Um... no. I think you're mistaken. When he got that tatoo (and all I could think was, "His body pushes bullets out, and you think ink is going to stay?"), it almost immediately started to fade. It faded partially, until all that was left was the godsend symbol, and then that faded as well.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
Unfortunately, I'm not sure we've seen then end of Jessie. They never explained what her power was, and I wondered if it was the power of possession.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
Who is Jessie?
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
In response to an earlier question, yes it was Claire's Nissan Rogue, but every major car from now on will be a Nissan Rogue. This is because it has replaced the Nissan Versa from the first season... at least the product placement isn't as bad. The first season during the exchange between the rental place and Hiro they said versa like 20 times.
Edit: You can tell it is Claire's because it has a Go Conquistadors sticker.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
The Versa wasn't the only new Nissan featured in the show. I remember seeing at least two or three more.
Aha! The Bennets had an Armada, Claire's friend Zach drove a Quest, and Mohinder had a Sentra.
Posted by AvidReader (Member # 6007) on :
I noticed the sticker, but my only thought was that it was in poor taste in Mexico. I suppose her part of California isn't that far from the part of Mexico the twins were in?
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
quote:Originally posted by AvidReader: I noticed the sticker, but my only thought was that it was in poor taste in Mexico.
Heh. Same here.
Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
I completely missed that it was Claire's car and that it even had a sticker. Thanks for pointing it out! I guess this means that Maya and Alejandro will be running into Claire at some point. I'd be interested to see if Maya can even infect Claire, and I bet she can't kill her. Also, is Maya the source of the disease killing all the heroes, and can Alejandro suck any disease out of people, or only Maya's disease?
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
"The Nissan Versa sure has some nice MPG. Gotta love that Nissan Versa."
"Nissan Versa. Nissan Versa."
"That's a popular choice. Let me check to see if we still have any left."
"Look Ando! Not a scratch on the Versa!"
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
Episode one: The twins desperately want to get to America. People die.
Episode two: The twins desperately want to go to America. Black goo seeps from the chicks eyes, someone almost dies, call her evil.
Episode three: The twins desperately want to go to America. Black goo seeps from the chicks eyes, someone almost dies, the brother thinks she might be evil.
Yeah, ok, we get it. The twins want to get to america, and whether or not she's a good person is a debatable point, but you could have done this in one episode, and furthered the plot faster. They way I see it, they could have cut out their involvement in Episode 2 altogether and put the events hold off on the events in episode three till episode four, because I can bet what happens next.
Episode 4: The twins get to the border of America, but face difficulties. Black goo runs from the chicks eyes, someone almost dies, and we move on to episode 5, where the person that almost dies calls someone who knows someone that is a "hero" or a Company Employee. The chick will then have black goo run from her eyes, and someone will almost surely die.
Posted by kanelock (Member # 10982) on :
Does anyone else think the kid with Claire is kinda suspiscious? Shows up out of nowhere, has powers, latches onto Claire immediatly, gets her to reveal her powers, and mentions horn rimmed glasses guy. Could he work for the company? And I think Kensai is going to turn out to be the bad guy this season. Probably because Hiro does somthing to mess up the past. Coincedence that his symble is the same as the Company?
Posted by krynn (Member # 524) on :
i think its him, but an older version of him. i think they came back to the present, but a generation earlier. that way kensei could have started that group that uses his symbol. they kept saying they all wanted to try and use their powers to help people at the start, but that some of them changed their mind.
Posted by Glenn Arnold (Member # 3192) on :
quote:Peter met Nikki in the final battle last season before he blew up. We know he picked up her super strength but it now appears that he may have picked up her split personality as well. I wonder what direction they are going to go with that.
Explains his amnesia, sort of, since his "split" doesn't have any memories of its own.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
At the end of last season, I assumed that Nathan was dead and that Peter would gain a new personality based on him, just as Nikki's split is based on her dead sister. But then Nathan turned up alive, so there goes that particular idea. But maybe you're on to something, Glenn.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I don't think Peter has a split personality. I wouldn't be surprised if the Haitian had a hand in his memory lost. I think he was found by someone, captured, they did stuff to him, and then part of his memories were yanked. Either that or the shock of the blast knocked them out. But I'm not so sure that taking him out of NYC and giving him a chance to be independent is a bad thing. He'd never get this chance with the shadow of his brother and his feeling of having a mission was hanging over him.
I like where things are going. I wouldn't mind a few less characters and a little quicker pace, but I like it. The twins need to become relevent, quickly. And I can't believe they found Sylar in the middle of nowhere.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
Heroes in less then 5 minutes. I retain high hopes that the pace will pick up.
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
Same here. This episode > last one.
Posted by ricree101 (Member # 7749) on :
I agree, this episode was definitely better than the past ones. That said, I'm a little concerned that this is going to turn into the superpower of the week club. Does every new character introduced really have to have an ability? I'd really love to see some more supporting characters who are just normal people, but the teaser for next week's episode doesn't leave me with much hope that it's going to happen.
Posted by theCrowsWife (Member # 8302) on :
Interesting twist that Parkman's dad is apparently the season's bad guy. The guy in the picture was too old and fat to tell if the Kensei theory is correct.
The thing that really struck me this episode was how much Nathan looks like his mother now that he shaved that beard off. He also seems to have picked up some of her mannerisms. I don't remember the specific thing he said, but it was very much like her. I don't know if that means anything, but it was interesting.
Also, there were a few parts where West reminded me a lot of Sylar. I think it was the intensity, and the way he wouldn't let Claire leave.
--Mel
Posted by Olivet (Member # 1104) on :
Twins: STILL not in U.S. *bangs head* I thought Rogues were all fast and stuff...
Sylar: Alive, murderous and sorta hot.
Molly: Has two daddies, neither of which can do jack for her.
Cop Daddy: Find MY daddy, because... because I said so!
Hot Asian Daddy: I'm ineffectual, but hot. Love me.
Nathan: Once again visible. Speaks to children, removes dead rodent from face - calls it "shaving."
Claire: Getting all smoochie-face with Flyboy.
HRG: Probably doomed. And that "No boys, but you can cheerlead" thing? What the heck?
Nikki: Absent (YAY!)
Hiro: Absent (boo)
Sark!Samurai: Absent (*shrug*)
Nawlins cousin: Can do anything she sees on TV? That is actually pretty darned cool.
All-in-all, this episode hooked me again. I dunno why. It certainly had nothing to do with the Claire arc.
ETA: Peter: Absent, but that whole "Irish" thing just drove me nuts anyway. If I were Irish, I'd be insulted. "How DARE you steal our iPods and chain yourself up naked in their place! Give 'em back, boyo" thing was just about sloppy enough to turn me off completely. It could have been redeemed if Peter had been snarky about it. "Just WHAT about the way you found me makes you think I'd know where the heck the iPods are, Brainiac?" Something.
So, didn't miss Peter.
My strategy for getting through the brain-hurtingly ill-conceived bits(of past episodes- this one was not so bad)? Imagining the Invisible Man in the scenes, plotting and being hot.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
quote:Sylar: Alive, murderous and sorta hot.
quote:Hot Asian Daddy: I'm ineffectual, but hot. Love me.
quote:Imagining the Invisible Man in the scenes, plotting and being hot.
I think someone needs to watch Heroes from the safety of a cold shower.
..................
I liked this episode, I felt it moved forward. I liked how Sylar manipulated the twins. I think I've seen that actual tactic used many a time in television and movies (as in, kill the threat, then present the threat to others to get them to trust you and go along with you but with an ulterior motive in mind), but Sylar is so creepily and methodically evil, it's fun to watch.
I can do with Sylar, but they need to do something new with him, and taking his powers away might be the thing that needs to be done. If I had to guess I'd say he has the disease. Killing Candace was so obvious, I find it extremely hard to believe that she or at least someone in the company didn't see that coming, unless they actually expected and wanted her to be killed, but I can't imagine throwing away such a valuable asset without a serious plan in place for a big gain.
I don't like Micah. Much as he seems like a nice, smart kid, I think he is all too willing to use his powers, regardless of the morality, to solve his problems, make him more popular, etc. But I do like his cousin, whatever her name is. I wonder if Uhura has any powers. I was shocked to see that DL was dead, I really thought he had survived. But I could easily do without the whole family.
I wonder if Kensei is really a good guy now or if he is just feigning it, but he really genuinely seemed to be a good guy after facing the Crazy 88, or the Disgruntled 90, or whatever the hell they are called. I only hope that Hiro staying behind doesn't poison the well.
It's going to be interesting to see what happens when Noah finally does meet West.
I like where it's going, and next week looks to be good, but I think having Peter in Cork is going to get frustrating if he doesn't come back soon.
Prediction: Parkman will introduce Molly to Nathan, who will ask her to find Peter for him. Foggier prediction: Nathan will fly to Europe to try and get him to come home when things get dicey in NYC.
Sidenote, I think Kristen Bell will bring a positive energy to the show. Even in the preview she seemed to have a vitality to her that really only is represented by Masi Oka, and once in awhile by Milo Ventimiglia.
Doesn't seem to be any further evidence on who Darth Hoodie might be, but I no longer think it's Kristen Bell.
Posted by Olivet (Member # 1104) on :
The bit about Mohinder was a joke. I don't really like the character at all. I do kind of have a thang for psycho villians at the moment (I watched Hannibal Rising last night). And Christopher Eccleston is fabulous, even invisble. Posted by theCrowsWife (Member # 8302) on :
quote:Originally posted by Olivet: My strategy for getting through the brain-hurtingly ill-conceived bits(of past episodes- this one was not so bad)? Imagining the Invisible Man in the scenes, plotting and being hot.
Ha! I'll have to try that one...
--Mel
Posted by BryanP (Member # 7772) on :
pretty terrible season so far. the claire storyline continues to be painful, hiro and peter are missing completely, we have ANOTHER new character in new orleans for whom we have no reason to care about, in fact the opposite since she's taking time away from good characters that aren't getting enough story time, and now sylar has inexplicably turned up in the middle of mexico when he was previously in the middle of some jungle, horribly injured
wtf
only thing good about this episode was the parkman stuff, which was unexpected. but still, nothing continues to happen, it's all one big setup with no payoff in sight. don't know how much longer i can take this crap
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I put up with LOST, for far fewer benefits for two whole seasons. Despite the slowdown, I think I owe them at least a full second season. LOST only gave people two or three revelations per season, at least Heroes is coming closer to one every other episode or so.
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
quote: LOST only gave people two or three revelations per season, at least Heroes is coming closer to one every other episode or so.
EDIT: for snark.
I'm swearing off this show. I just can't take it any longer. (I lasted a whole 2 episodes this season...)
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
I liked this episode. It wasn't amazing, but its enough to keep me watching. HRG is definitely looking pretty doomed, and Claire is going to feel responsible. My only question with that story line (other than "Why are you dragging it out?!) is how does he know about West? I mean, he doesn't know specifically, but how did he know to be concerned about boys right when he started showing up? Maybe there's some clue in the painting ...? We still don't know what Mama Petrelli's power is/was. Sylar was pretty cool. What would he do with Maya's power anyways? Especially if he wouldn't be able to control it. I think that was a really well done plot development, because it shows that he's not afraid to kill on a whim, but because of what's happening to him and because of the uncertain nature of the twins power, he's being forced to play things sneaky. Not that he's not normally sneaky, but he seems like he's winging it. The whole New Orleans story line is just ... bleh. I didn't mind Micah ... he was cool last season. But there's no reason to add anyone else yet! We don't need new heroes every episode. We need action, plot progression, cliffhangers!
But yeah, I would say I'm in until they either give me two completely crappy episodes in a row, or until I suddenly whimsically decide to stop wasting my life. Whatever comes first. But my gut does tell me I won't last through this season.
Posted by BryanP (Member # 7772) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn: I put up with LOST, for far fewer benefits for two whole seasons. Despite the slowdown, I think I owe them at least a full second season. LOST only gave people two or three revelations per season, at least Heroes is coming closer to one every other episode or so.
But in contrast to the first season of Heroes, which was good, the first season of Lost was brilliant. So at least it had more goodwill (from me at least) going into the second season. Which, granted, it squandered since the second season was dreadful, but the point remains. And when Lost is bad, it's still more competent than Heroes, and less cheesy, and better acted.
Posted by Lime (Member # 1707) on :
Heroes, for me, is equal parts frustration and enjoyment. They seem to have built themselves a list of all the comic book cliche plotlines they could think up and are going down the list and checking them off. Throughout season one, I was hoping that it would grow to the point where they would start twisting these (now heavily) cliched plots back upon themselves. Have some fun with it, ala "Watchmen". My favorite episode from season 1 was "Company Man" -- more of that kind of character development, please.
I know, "Watchmen" is too much to ask of a television show. This season isn't too bad, though it is faltering. Most 2nd seasons on TV tend to be poor in comparison to the 1st season, so I was expecting the downturn.
Having Kirsten Bell is going to be a boon, I think. I hope that she can do something with what she's given. If the show were written as cleverly as "Veronica Mars", then we'd really be seeing something. As it is, the production team seems to be very focused on their checklist.
Also: I've been thinking that the reason for Sylar's disappearing powers is a bit mundane: his body is spending all its energy healing that massive sword wound and doesn't have any leftover for his abilities.
[ October 16, 2007, 11:55 AM: Message edited by: Lime ]
Posted by JoeH (Member # 5958) on :
Being a former comic book collector, it pains me to say that I am finding this season to be pretty annoying. First, there are too many unexplained coincidences. For example, the twins just happen to stumble upon Sylar in the middle of nowhere. They (along with the American) pick him up, no questions asked. He tells them he has read their book and has met Dr. Suresh and they don't question him at all.
Also, too many stupid things like Parkman and Mohinder pushing Molly to discover where Parkman's dad is despite the obvious risk to her fragile psyche. They then act surprised when she goes into shock.
HRG has somehow become an oblivious moron.
Having said all that, I will keep watching with the hope that the writers eventually explain some of that.
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
I was under the (perhaps mistaken) impression that the picture of dead Noah Bennet had in the background a cheerleader kissing a boy, thereby prompting Noah's seeminly nonsensical fixation on "no boys" for Claire.
Maybe I was imagining the background of the painting. Any corroborators for me?
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
Claire was definately making out with a boy behind the body of Noah. But I didn't connect that with his insistance that Claire not date. It makes sense though.
JoeH: Not that I am trying to be racist but I would imagine that poor inexperienced South American young adults could easily be more trusting of a kind, interested, American who just happens to know who you believe to be your savior.
Heck I take it back, if it was two American fleeing to South American to find a doctor there and some bi-lingual South American who they came across said, "I know exactly who that is, I'll take you to him," that the Americans who are desperate for their goal would easily take him along.
The brother does seem alittle skeptical but not overtly so, I find their trusting natures both to be well within the realms of plausibility.
So any fortune tellers around capable of explaining why Noah and the Haitian have to go to the Ukraine?
Also how cool is is that the little girl is in a coma but she can still talk to Matt in her mind? I really hope they are forced to take her body with them while they go to this address. The difficulty of concealing a body while simultaneously having Matt use his mind to listen and try to counsel her WHILE they look for his apparently evil dad could make for a very engaging plot.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
LOST's first season got us by I think partially with its newness. We hadn't seen anything like it in recent memory, so we were all a bit blown away. But as time dragged on, and questions loomed without answers, and the further they got into The Others, the more insanely ridiculous it became, especially when realization came that they never provided good enough answers to the questions they'd created. One hatch being opened per season isn't good enough.
Heroes on the other hand followed in their footsteps. Something in that vein of fiction we'd seen before, so it didn't get the 'new' bonus that LOST got. But we liked the characters, mostly, we liked the mystery, and almost every episode we got SOMETHING to advance the plot, there weren't long, long, long, loooooooong periods of BLAH like in LOST. That was more than enough to draw me in.
Four episodes into this season, people seem mostly stuck in places without much reveal, but it's only four episodes. This last episode had some good movement, and previews of next week look very promising. If people REALLY don't like the show, I won't try to get them to stay and watch it, what'd be the point? But wow, I wonder if people were this acutely harsh on an episode to episode basis on tv shows 10 years ago.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
I'm enjoying it. It's clear that they're setting up a lot of dominoes. This is a complex show, with a lot of characters and a lot of backstory. It requires a lot of setup.
If I thought it was going to continue like this all season, I'd be irked. But I don't think that. I think it's going to be a lot of fun to watch the dominoes fall. And I'm enjoying watching them build characterizations.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
I'm in the middle of watching the episode online. So is Micah's cousin's power that if she sees something the she can do it?
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lisa: I'm enjoying it. It's clear that they're setting up a lot of dominoes. This is a complex show, with a lot of characters and a lot of backstory. It requires a lot of setup.
If I thought it was going to continue like this all season, I'd be irked. But I don't think that. I think it's going to be a lot of fun to watch the dominoes fall. And I'm enjoying watching them build characterizations.
Agreed. That's how I feel.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
Indeed, I don't see why so many people are complaining. It seems to be going faster than it was last season, yet they enjoyed that just fine. I assume that it will be like this every season, tons of set up then everything comes together with lots of revelations, though they seem to be doing the revelations a tad early.
Posted by landybraine (Member # 10807) on :
I recall that there was a wiki post with all kinds of spoilers for this season, but now I can't find it. Do you think they took it off? If anyone knows what I'm talking about, can you post the link?
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
quote: Most 2nd seasons on TV tend to be poor in comparison to the 1st season, so I was expecting the downturn.
Except Scrubs. Mmmmm...second-season Scrubs.
Posted by AvidReader (Member # 6007) on :
Last season was great because we didn't know how anything worked yet. We were discovering the world along with the heroes. But then we figured stuff out and watched the pieces connect together and everything lead to one glorious moment.
Now we're back to discovering secrets with people. But we already get it, so we want to hurry it along. I don't think it was a good idea to go back to basically the same formula they used last season. I'm just hoping the old characters get the plot moving soon and the new characters can keep up.
There were a couple of great moments this episode with Mrs. Petrelli and Parkman that bode well, and I love the motivation for Micah's cousin. The girl. The boy needs to be killed off soon cause he's easily the most annoying character they've had.
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
quote:Originally posted by PSI Teleport:
quote: Most 2nd seasons on TV tend to be poor in comparison to the 1st season, so I was expecting the downturn.
Except Scrubs. Mmmmm...second-season Scrubs.
Yay Scrubs!!!! I like Scrubs!
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
quote:Originally posted by landybraine: I recall that there was a wiki post with all kinds of spoilers for this season, but now I can't find it. Do you think they took it off? If anyone knows what I'm talking about, can you post the link?
Heroeswiki has all the spoilers compiled.
Posted by kojabu (Member # 8042) on :
quote:Originally posted by JonHecht: I'm in the middle of watching the episode online. So is Micah's cousin's power that if she sees something the she can do it?
That's the impression I got.
Posted by kanelock (Member # 10982) on :
It's called Photographic Reflexes, similar to the character Taskmaster in the Marvel universe.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by kojabu:
quote:Originally posted by JonHecht: I'm in the middle of watching the episode online. So is Micah's cousin's power that if she sees something the she can do it?
That's the impression I got.
It could be localized to television.
1: Both incidents, the tomato rose and the kick were both seen on TV.
2: If she could do ANYTHING she ever sees I think that would be a bit of an overwhelming power as she would be CONSTANTLY learning how to do knew things. It being localized to TV actually sounds very interesting.
What TV shows would you watch if you knew that was your ability? I'd probably catch a Man Vs Wild marathon or survivorman, I'd then watch a ton of Ultimate Fighter Championship, How It's Made on National Geographic Channel, and then maybe some sessions of those boring math lectures they broadcast on local channels. Maybe some of those art shows too.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
Eh, most math lectures that are on local TV here are just 8th grade math... besides, I think it is only physical actions. Personally I'd watch everything on fast forward, since all you have to do is see it and not pay close attention that should work.
Posted by kanelock (Member # 10982) on :
It's called Photographic Reflexes, similar to the character Taskmaster in the Marvel universe.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
I like each and every episode of Heroes and BOO to those who don't.
Posted by Shanna (Member # 7900) on :
With each episode I find myself enjoying less and less of the show as a whole. There are characters that I absolutely LOVE (Hiro & Ando, Noah & Claire) but there are so many that I just haven't connected with or just downright loathe. I feel like a sucker sitting through all these side stories to see a few minutes of characters I actually care about.
Worse is when they do bad things to characters I like. Splitting up Hiro and Ando is ruining both characters for me. Noah being Mr. Cautious instead of Mr. Mysterious is boring. And then there's Claire who is just...stupid. I like her as a strong loner trying to find her way. Not falling into a cliched romance which seems like such an obvious trap.
Last season it was okay sitting through Nikki's storyline because it meant I could see more of Hiro and Ando's adventures.
But this season I'm not getting anything I want and I'm holding onto to the hope that it finds its way again.
Posted by Mucus (Member # 9735) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: What TV shows would you watch if you knew that was your ability? ...
Old Jackie Chan or Jet Li Hong Kong movies for a start Posted by ricree101 (Member # 7749) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mucus:
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: What TV shows would you watch if you knew that was your ability? ...
Old Jackie Chan or Jet Li Hong Kong movies for a start
Gymnastics competitions and something about professional stuntment might not be a bad idea either.
I wonder if she can only do it for one tv at a time. Maybe she should just get a setup like the one from Back to the Future 2 with all the different screens running simultaneously.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
quote:Not falling into a cliched romance which seems like such an obvious trap.
I think I would personally find the show more unbelievable if she didn't find herself with a love interest. She's not a loner by choice. At her old school she wasn't a loner at all. Finally finding someone her own age, who is also automatically outcast just like she is, who has also apparently run afoul of her father, I find it 100% believable that she'd fall for him, to say nothing of the fact that flying her around Hollywood is probably pretty romantic.
I don't know what's specifically cliched about this romance, unless you just mean two misfits who find each other and fall for each other, but hey, what's unbelievable about that? It's a common thread in literature and movies for a reason: it's extremely believable.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
"Cliches are cliches because they work" alternatively "Cliches are cliches because they are true"
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
quote:Originally posted by kanelock: It's called Photographic Reflexes, similar to the character Taskmaster in the Marvel universe.
Obviously Monica's power is called "As Seen On TV."
Posted by Olivet (Member # 1104) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: What TV shows would you watch if you knew that was your ability? ...
Musical performances of every sort. Competitive belching. Shows where people design and make clothing, furniture, houses. Cooking shows. Televised surgery shows. The Olympics.
I think that is the absolute coolest power yet, really, and I found the character very likable.
Posted by Slim (Member # 2334) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: What TV shows would you watch if you knew that was your ability?
I would watch Heroes. Oh, and Harry Potter.
... assuming that sort of thing can work, too. I think it can, since pro wrestling is fake. Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
It's fake, but the acrobatics are real.
Posted by krynn (Member # 524) on :
yeah, i think it has to be something people can really do on TV. I would watch every sport at the olympics, the food network, that famous painter guy with the fro, instructional language videos...
OK, i think i would watch just about anything i could. i wonder if theres a limit to how much she can learn.
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
quote:Originally posted by krynn: yeah, i think it has to be something people can really do on TV. I would watch every sport at the olympics, the food network, that famous painter guy with the fro, instructional language videos...
OK, i think i would watch just about anything i could. i wonder if theres a limit to how much she can learn.
I was just about to bring this point up, that it probably has to be unedited and/or real. You beat me to it.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
All right, I'm late to the party, but here goes:
I really enjoyed Monday's episode. For one thing, I think it was nice that they focused on only a few sub plots. (Micah, Matt, Claire, twins) For another, they brought a few of them together. (Syler and the twins) The twins finally started getting interesting when they ran into Syler. Claire's plot was less interesting than it has been in the past, actually, but I thought it was the worst of the episode. I'm really into Matt and his investigation.
The ending was an OMG moment. I am very eagerly waiting to see what happens to poor Molly.
Heroes definitely is at least as much exasperation as entertainment, but my husband and I were talking about both sides last night and agreed that it's the best show on television at the moment. So for good or bad, we're sticking with it, at least for now.
On the subject of LOST: I enjoyed the second season, but that may be because I watched them commercial free and back to back on DVD. I can kind of see how it would have dragged as a weekly show, but I don't think it's any slower than Heroes in general. I'm catching up on season 3 and it's been wonderful, especially after about 10 episodes or so.
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
The thing is that for that move, though the girl may have learned the move, her body doesn't have the muscle. It seems like she'd easily hurt herself very badly, no?
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Wouldn't that be part of the power?
Posted by Eaquae Legit (Member # 3063) on :
quote:Originally posted by krynn: yeah, i think it has to be something people can really do on TV. I would watch every sport at the olympics, the food network, that famous painter guy with the fro, instructional language videos...
OK, i think i would watch just about anything i could. i wonder if theres a limit to how much she can learn.
The "happy tree" guy?
Posted by krynn (Member # 524) on :
umm... sure. i never knew his name.
Posted by rollainm (Member # 8318) on :
Bob Ross
Posted by Mucus (Member # 9735) on :
quote:Originally posted by BandoCommando: I was just about to bring this point up, that it probably has to be unedited and/or real. You beat me to it.
Thats kind of why I picked Jackie Chan and Jet Li versus something more conventional like The Matrix. Particularly the older stuff has a very high ratio of "real work" relative to wire or CGI, which is part of why the out-takes and behind-the-scenes reports are so interesting and scary at the same time.
Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
Anyone think that Molly is somehow trapped in her own body, not merely in shock? I imagine if she were actually unconscious, she wouldn't yell for Matt. Anyhow, creepy!
I got the impression that HRG was so obsessed with Claire dating was the fact that she was kissing a boy in the painting. I get the impression that he's trying to prevent his own death, or at least put it off. I think he really ought to explain to her why he cares so much about her not dating. I also find it puzzling that she would be making out with someone near his dead body. Has she just not spotted him yet? Oh, and the moment where she's kissing West while flying just seemed cheesy.
The burned guy in the mirror this time around looked a lot more like Nathan than Peter.
Sylar calling himself Gabriel is interesting. It looked for a moment that they might be setting him up for some sort of redemption, but then they went and had him kill that guy. Oh well. Anyone else notice the cockroach?
If Monica sees one of the other heroes caught on TV, will she get his or her powers?
If the invisible man were hanging around Matt, would Matt be able to hear his thoughts?
Speaking of the invisible man, he could take a cue from Nathan and get rid of that beard if he does come back.
Matt's dad being an evil hero is an interesting twist. I saw it coming that he was Molly's nightmare man, but only once Matt noticed his dad in the picture. I think Matt was kind of a jerk asking her to do this, but it seems that he was being an adult writing off a child's fears as irrational. Too bad they weren't.
Posted by Joldo (Member # 6991) on :
I think the twins are awful interesting in terms of powers. I mean, in a country that enjoys telenovelas, you have a woman whose power means that black goo runs from her eyes when she's upset.
How is that not utterly and totally fantastic?
Posted by Mucus (Member # 9735) on :
quote:Originally posted by Shigosei: The burned guy in the mirror this time around looked a lot more like Nathan than Peter.
Yeah, I'm starting to like the aforementioned theory that Nathan may have somehow absorbed a bit of Nikki's power and that the "dark" side of him is starting to take revenge on the Company for the (as far as he knows) the death of Peter without Nathan knowing about it.
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
quote:The burned guy in the mirror this time around looked a lot more like Nathan than Peter.
There wasn't any question the first time around. It's sort of interesting how frustrated I can get with folks who don't have as good of facial recognition ability.
Last season, I got all worked up over everyone doubting that the girl with the dark hair in the preview was Claire. This season it was Nathan in the mirror.
Something so obvious to me should be obvious to everyone, right?
[ October 18, 2007, 01:50 PM: Message edited by: Xavier ]
Posted by camus (Member # 8052) on :
quote:Something so obvious to me should be obvious to everyone, right?
I think you've figured out your super power. Photographic Identification Reflex. Localized to television.
Posted by theCrowsWife (Member # 8302) on :
quote:Originally posted by Shigosei: Anyone think that Molly is somehow trapped in her own body, not merely in shock? I imagine if she were actually unconscious, she wouldn't yell for Matt. Anyhow, creepy!
I kind of got the impression that he had "captured" her persona or whatever (aiua in Enderverse terms), and that's why her body is now nonresponsive. I could just be heavily influenced by Card, though.
--Mel
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
quote:I think you've figured out your super power. Photographic Identification Reflex. Localized to television.
You know, ever since I've gotten my radioactive iodine treatment, I've been waiting for a super power.
This one isn't particularly impressive, but I suppose its better than nothing.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Ooooo!!!!!!!!
That was my reaction to tonight's episode. Very, very cool.
Kristen Bell is friggin scary. I was getting tired of evil looking and acting so sinister. I think the fact that she looks like sugar and spice but acts like a casual demon is much more compelling for a potential bad guy. And we have a new mystery now. Is she with the Company? Who is her father? And now that we know the leader of the Company is on Darth Hoodie's hit list, I think it's confirmed there's a third party involved. Unless the reason Mr. Parkman had the picture of Midas (I don't know the name of the guy who can turn spoons into gold that recruited Mohinder, but I'm calling him Midas, (you know, the Midas Touch)) is because he's MAKING the pictures and hadn't delivered that one yet. What if he made Nakamura jump off the ledge thinking someone was there, or he attacked Mrs. Petrelli in the jail cell by making her attack herself? Longshot, but it could be. But I still think there's a third party involved, maybe Kristen Bell.
Not much on Hiro and Ando, but I like that they at least kept us updated. Micah and his cousin were cool, and I could seriously see her going vigilante to try and clean up the neighborhood. But I really think this was a great episode that moved two major storylines forward. I think they are totally back in their element, and next week looks great.
Posted by Lanfear (Member # 7776) on :
I dont know about Kristen Bell. Veronica Mars is one of my favorites, but I think she felt out of place here. And when she was on the phone with her "daddy", she seemed much more immature than her physical appearance should allow.
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
This episode was a lot better. No more of the twins. The dad sequence was cool, but I'm seriously wondering what connection the Hiro story has to all this. And what about the coakroachs? Hmmm.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
Kristen Bell was alittle too juvenile to be given a task like finding Peter. Any guesses on what she was going to do to Peter when she found him? She came across as too whiny to me, I wouldn't trust her to go to the mall and buy me a shirt for fear she'd get sidetracked and spend $2000 at The Body Shop.
Looks like Micah's cousin can repeat anything she sees, and I'm not sure I like that ability with so little restraint. Does she permanently remember everything she sees?
Can I just say that Peter's drawing was a little lack luster? OOOOHHHH two men standing in the doorway of some unknown building, WOW!
Tiffany told me to shut up as I started yelling, "NO STOP DON'T DO THAT! DON'T LET HIM GO THERE!" from the moment they uncuffed Parkman's dad and he started walking for the back of the apartment. I can't believe a trained cop would have allowed that. The only reason I can stomach that was that it was Parkman's dad and I am sure Parkman was distracted and alittle loopy after the feedback burst his father sent back at him.
Can tasers knock you out? I was under the impression they typically immobilize you for a few seconds to a few minutes. Perhaps the taser was modified with a bit more juice?
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
She looked pretty immobilized to me. I'm not sure about Kristen being too juvenile. If anything I think Sylar is too juvenile in the way he looks at the world. He acts like a spoiled eight year old. He wants everything his way, he throws tantrums when they don't go his way, and he has a casual disregard for human life. We don't know much about her though. I think she had a casual disregard for life too. But if I had to guess, I think her father trained her from a younger age to be an agent of whatever organization she is in, and he's a higher up in it, which I think will explain her casual nature when it comes to killing, and her childish appearance in her response to her father.
I think where Hiro is right now is explaining the genesis of the heroes. I think he's at the birthplace of the species and it will all go to show how it all started, so his story will be extremely important when we get the details from it, and how what role, if any, Kensei will play. I think much of this is for the shaping of HIRO, not Kensei. I think Hiro will come back from this much more mature and powerful.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
I just burned through what exists so far of season 2 and I agree with everyone who is talking about a significant drop in quality that isn't going away.
Right now I'm more or less feeling like I'm watching hackneyed side plots waiting for the good side plots and this is a terrible way to run a 'buildup' phase, since it isn't entertaining and has to be maintained for at least three quarters of a season, if the first season is any indication of their method of operation. So it basically means that the writers are failing at their job and I'll just quit watching until mavens figure out that the show's worthwhile again.
Or it just doesn't recover, in which case .. too bad.
Posted by ricree101 (Member # 7749) on :
quote:Originally posted by Samprimary: I just burned through what exists so far of season 2 and I agree with everyone who is talking about a significant drop in quality that isn't going away.
Honestly, I thought the last two episodes were pretty good. There were definitely problems in the beginning, but it seems like things are starting to get back on track. Then again, I might just be liking the fact that we didn't get any more of the Bennet home life or the Twins this week.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
i think every episode of heroes is a little bucket of awesomeness.
EAT THE AWESOMENESS!
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
quote:Originally posted by Phanto: This episode was a lot better. No more of the twins. The dad sequence was cool, but I'm seriously wondering what connection the Hiro story has to all this. And what about the coakroachs? Hmmm.
You really want the answer, then get ready for a spoiler.
There's a super villain who controls bugs and he uses the cockroaches as spies. I'm not joking.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
quote:we didn't get any more of the Bennet home life or the Twins this week.
Well, hmm. I mean, presently I'm in the 'screw the twins' camp because they're just fundamentally uninteresting right now besides being in a car with Sylar and I've not been hooked at all into caring about them, so yay for them not being involved at all!
But the Bennets have no reason to be uninteresting. Too bad the writers decided to try to crudely reintroduce a new element of distrust between Daddy and Girl with the use of a paint-by-numbers Forbidden Love side-sideplot.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
The boyfriend sideplot isn't bad, per se. What, we're supposed to believe she'd NEVER get involved with a guy? That's goofy. She had to get involved, in some way, shape, or form, with SOMEONE in California, otherwise putting them there would eliminate all by Noah from the plot. And it probably meant a hero, and probably one at the high school, and I think she's so desperate to trust someone, and feels so ostracized that if she met a guy who wasn't ugly who also had powers, she'd be extremely drawn to him. Especially since he seems to have been a victim of her fathers', and that'd only reinforce the bond.
As to her and her father, I'm not so sure the relationship is as strained as you might think. They've come a long way. He's much more forthcoming now than he used to be. And she seems much less hostile towards him than before. I'm not entirely sure where it's all going, but it has a lot of potential to be just fine, good, or bad, depends on what they do with it.
As for the twins...I could do without them. They need to become interesting very quickly or they'll become the new Niki/Micah for me, and I'll be annoyed with every minute they are on the screen. It looks like with Sylar in the picture they just might be, but it needs to happen quickly. Like next episode.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
It just comes off as blatantly hackneyed because all of the problems between Claire's new boyfriend ("You can fly? Oh whew that makes you not a jerk!") and Noah will certainly be caused by the fact that Claire didn't know about the painting and thus tried to conceal the new boyfriend from Noah and when Noah meets new boyfriend there's going to be hell because Claire is not there/able to explain in time when otherwise she could have and of course Noah isn't the dead one in that painting it was totally Sylar who had morphed into Noah's form but then got a shot to the head. Let's see how accurate this prediction is.
Posted by AvidReader (Member # 6007) on :
I'll have to be the voice of dissent. I thought last night's episode was lame. Other than the Matt/Nathan storyline, nothing interesting happened. Ok, the moment where we saw the cousin with her own Isaac Mendez comic book was pretty awesome. But that was it for me.
Micah and his cousin did the exact same things they did last week. Mohinder cemented his place as the stupidest smart man in existence. Molly's still in danger. We confirmed Noah and the Haitian were in Russia, which we already knew from last week. Peter's still hanging out in Ireland, though he could get a real plot soon. Ando got a small moment of brilliance, but Hiro's still just pining. He's the dragon who demands Kensei's wife. We get it. Move on. And there was a Niki cameo that absolutely no one cared about.
The bright point to me was the revelation that Parkman's mind reading is just the tip of the iceberg. He can learn to do things with his power we haven't even thought of yet. I bet that means everyone else can, too. I wonder what Nathan's flight will expand into? That could be cool.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: Kristen Bell was alittle too juvenile to be given a task like finding Peter. Any guesses on what she was going to do to Peter when she found him? She came across as too whiny to me, I wouldn't trust her to go to the mall and buy me a shirt for fear she'd get sidetracked and spend $2000 at The Body Shop.
Who is her father, do you think? Someone from the Company, it seems. Bob? Daddy Parkman?
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
I think that it's Bob. This episode was awesome, and it just seems to be getting better. It definitely recovered from the slump, if you can call it that. The slump was just the set up.
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
I don't have a problem with Claire getting a boyfriend, didn't even find it cliche-ish. What bugs me is the TV-ization of it. Every time he wants to know more about her and she just shut down instead of, say, warning him that there are people out to catch heroes like him I wanted to smack her upside her invulnerable head.
I hate, hate, hate storylines that rely on one person not saying the obvious thing to another, which is why I avoid most television and really, really miss Firefly. Also why I completely love Mad Men. In most television characters do pretty much what you expect them to do, so the only surprises are what happens to them. In the shows I respond to, characters constantly surprise you by doing something that seems startling or out of character, that's revealed to be a logical extension of their layered personality when examined in hindsight. The result is a deeper, more fascinating character you want to find out more about, as opposed to a cardboard cliche.
Here's what I would have liked to seen in Claire's life:
She meets the boy. She avoids the boy. She does the toe-clipping thing. He mentions it at school. She freaks out, partly because he knows and partly because he was stalking her (and ultra-paranoid dad wouldn't have had security? Motion-detector lights or something? Seriously?). He picks her up and flies her off. They have their moment on the beach. She lies and gets away, to the Hollywood sign. He presses for more info, she evades and finally tells him that there are people after heroes and her family's on the run. He should be worried too, especially after being tagged. He realizes that she's just made herself vulnerable by telling him. She gets home, lies to her dad, so far so good. They agree, no more lies (she crosses her fingers and bites her lip). As she gets up he stops her. He is obviously waging a terrible battle inside. "Claire, do you remember those paintings I told you about..." He shows her the painting, and tells her that he's still fighting the group. Partly to impress on her the importance of secrecy, partly to show her why he's being so tough on boys, and partly to bring her into his own conspiracy. A huge step for him, admitting his girl is growing up and can be trusted. Now she can hide the truth, because after her dad opens up to her and treats her as an equal she won't want to admit to lying before. Now she has a secret and a reason for avoiding the guy she really likes that she can't tell him about because who would believe it? And him being the stalker-jerk that he is he won't leave it alone, and now we have real conflict and we're on her side because the dad has opened up, and Claire is torn between love for the guy and fear for her father, and the stalker kid might even decide that he can save Claire from whatever problem she won't tell him about. And all the characters have grown a bit and surprised us.
As it is we're back to the annoying level of "Clark, how did you get here so fast?" "Dunno Lana, just lucky I guess" lies. Feh.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lisa:
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: Kristen Bell was alittle too juvenile to be given a task like finding Peter. Any guesses on what she was going to do to Peter when she found him? She came across as too whiny to me, I wouldn't trust her to go to the mall and buy me a shirt for fear she'd get sidetracked and spend $2000 at The Body Shop.
Who is her father, do you think? Someone from the Company, it seems. Bob? Daddy Parkman?
I think Bob is a more likely candidate then daddy Parkman. Bob is still running "the organization" dad Parkman is cowering in his apartment brandishing a shotgun. Still Bob does not seem like the sort of parent who could have raised a daughter like Ms. Bell. Then again maybe he is EXACTLY the kind of parent who raises girls like Ms. Bell.
Also I just realized that dad Parkman probably put the Walker girl into a similar situation as Matt and Nathan were last episode. That leaves it to little Parkman to hurry back and tell Molly to wake up.
I predict Parkman's dad is going to die very soon, there isn't much room in a show for two men with identical abilities. Though if little Parkman was given more practice with his abilities and towards the end of season two battled off with his dad in a fight using just mind suggestion I think that would be wicked.
Chris:
quote:As it is we're back to the annoying level of "Clark, how did you get here so fast?" "Dunno Lana, just lucky I guess" lies.
Mrs. BB loves Smallville but I just get so frustrated with Clark's whole, "Hey Lana, I love you more than any of the other characters unfortunately you are the LAST person I am going to actually tell or accidentally let slip that I have powers. WHY CAN'T THE SHOW JUST LET OUR RELATIONSHIP WORK DESPITE LACKING ANY SHRED OF TRUST!?
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
especially since were at the stage where the new generation of girls are like "you have powers!? Awesome! /coo"
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
I dug last night's episode, mostly because any glimpse of the Haitian makes the episode better for me.
I'm relieved that Peter's going to leave Ireland soon, but worried about the upcoming French-Canadian accents. I adore Ando, because he's super-cute, and hope that the restoration guy makes sense of that last mini-scroll. Parkman's an idiot, but he's getting smarter - and cooler. Mohinder is still gorgeous, if no smarter; that said, sending him to New Orleans with Monica (and Micah!) is interesting. Kristen Bell felt supremely superficial, almost like a gimmick. Oh wait. She is.
Oh, and Nathan's line about not being a cargo plane? Awesome. Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
Ando must realize that Hiro will be all right. Who else put the scroll in the sword handle?
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
Well, he only knows Hiro was all right long enough to put those scrolls in the sword handle. Since the scrolls are being (conveniently) restored in chronological order, the last one could still be missing...
Posted by theCrowsWife (Member # 8302) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: I think Bob is a more likely candidate then daddy Parkman. Bob is still running "the organization" dad Parkman is cowering in his apartment brandishing a shotgun. Still Bob does not seem like the sort of parent who could have raised a daughter like Ms. Bell. Then again maybe he is EXACTLY the kind of parent who raises girls like Ms. Bell.
I don't know that I believe that Parkman's dad was really cowering in his apartment. I think it's more likely just the story he told Parkman. He seemed awfully confident when he left the apartment after putting Matt and Nathan into their nightmares. In fact, everything that older Parkman said during that scene was suspect, as far as I'm concerned.
Bob probably is her father. Remember an episode or two ago, when he had to take a call on his cell phone and Mohinder looked through the paintings. So we've got Bob receiving calls from an unknown person, and Bell's character making calls to an unknown person. Circumstantial evidence, but it might work out.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by theCrowsWife:
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: I think Bob is a more likely candidate then daddy Parkman. Bob is still running "the organization" dad Parkman is cowering in his apartment brandishing a shotgun. Still Bob does not seem like the sort of parent who could have raised a daughter like Ms. Bell. Then again maybe he is EXACTLY the kind of parent who raises girls like Ms. Bell.
I don't know that I believe that Parkman's dad was really cowering in his apartment. I think it's more likely just the story he told Parkman. He seemed awfully confident when he left the apartment after putting Matt and Nathan into their nightmares. In fact, everything that older Parkman said during that scene was suspect, as far as I'm concerned.
Bob probably is her father. Remember an episode or two ago, when he had to take a call on his cell phone and Mohinder looked through the paintings. So we've got Bob receiving calls from an unknown person, and Bell's character making calls to an unknown person. Circumstantial evidence, but it might work out.
True story.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
I find myself kind of surprised at the responses to this week's episode and this season. For the second week in a row, I was impressed, and I think I know exactly why -- once again they settled on a few stories to follow instead of trying to jump us around to absolutely everyone. I also am beginning to feel that the heroes are more connected this season than last and that the story has more direction and more room to surprise us. Yeah, we had that blown up New York image to follow us all first season, but then it was anti-climactic because we already knew so much about what would happen by the end.
I think the Matt Parkman/Nathan/Mohinder/Molly/nightmare man thing is great. It's the center point right now, just as "Save the Cheerleader, Save the WOrld" was last season. Only difference -- no totally lame but easy to recite catch phrase. We've got a story problem and characters we can root for who are working to solve the problem.
Many of the subplots are tied in better this season than last, which I also find to be an improvement. That's largely because we are seeing inside the company, which tracks and monitors all the "heroes" but that's a perfectly good way to connect the dots.
We've got Mr. Bennett in hiding with his daughter, working to undermine the company with the help of the Haitian and Mohinder.
We've got Nikki checked in for treatment. (I still don't like her, but at least she doesn't have a big part this season.)
We've got Syler, who escaped them again (why don't they just kill him? Anyone ever wonder that?) and potentially leading psycho twins to Mohinder.
The only two loose ends are Peter and Hiro -- but I suspect it's only a matter of time before we find out how Peter is linked to call this. I wish he'd get his memory back. It's the lamest part of the show. Well, next to the twins. I have a feeling the blonde killer is Bob's daughter. (IT is Bob, right? The guy who's running the company?)
Hiro is my favorite character and I wish he'd return to us but I agree he is busy telling the story of the origin of the heroes.
I am very much looking forward to next week's episode, a feeling I don't think I had much last season but that I seem to be having more this season. IMHO, season 2 has mostly been an improvement.
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
Bob doesn't seem like a great company leader to me, and everytime that the company seems to be really bad, we discover its employees aren't so scary after all. The company needs ambiguity.
The best moment of this episode was seeing the door to #9 zoomed in on after Matt was locked in.
Posted by Javert Hugo (Member # 3980) on :
There are too many characters. I think every person gets about five minutes of screen time, tops. I don't care about any of them and it seems like the writers don't either.
quote:I hate, hate, hate storylines that rely on one person not saying the obvious thing to another, which is why I avoid most television and really, really miss Firefly.
Agreed.
*small voice* Except for The Messenger, which did the same thing.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
^ that
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
The company as the ambiguous bad guy can only last so long and then it gets really old and really boring. The trick will be uncovering it in a powerful way. We've yet to see if they will do that. I think this entire season is going to have a lot to do with the last generation heroes and how/why t hey started the company. I'm actually looking forward to those answers. It's possible that when we get them, it'll put an end to the show, but only if they do it wrong.
Posted by Avatar300 (Member # 5108) on :
quote:I think the Matt Parkman/Nathan/Mohinder/Molly/nightmare man thing is great. It's the center point right now, just as "Save the Cheerleader, Save the WOrld" was last season. Only difference -- no totally lame but easy to recite catch phrase. We've got a story problem and characters we can root for who are working to solve the problem.
Agreed. I got chills when Nathan stepped out into Nuked York City. I wonder what he's afraid of?
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I think Noah not telling Claire about the painting is stupid. Obviously he doesn't want her to worry, blah blah blah, but I think it's silly.
Her not telling West however makes a lot more sense. If I knew my father was responsible for capturing and tagging my new significant other, I'd avoid the subject but make it a point to try and protect that person. If you bring it up, they are going to ask how you are involved, and then one way or another you have to lie to them, and they'll always be curious. I think she is lying in self defense, to try and preserve the new status quo. And this one actually makes sense.
Unlike Clark...don't even get me started on Smallville. You know I watched the first two seasons when it first came out, then stopped out of lack of interest. But when I heard they were bringing in Supergirl, and had Justice League episode I thought it might be cool, so I borrowed seasons three, four, and five from a friend and watched them. It was mostly a rehash of the first couple seasons but was still mildly watchable (until Lana was possessed by an ancestor witch of hers, that was goofy). But then came the moment every fan of the show has wanted to see for four and a half seasons, spoiler alert, not that anyway cares when Clark tells Lana everything and she's okay with it, but then by the end of the episode they UNDO IT and go right back to stupidness! Well that was the last straw. I haven't seen an episode since.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
Why would Noah have told Claire about the picture? It didn't seem at all strange to me. He's trying to protect her from the company and especially from what he's trying to do to the company.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
Because he promised his family that there'd be no more secrets.
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
I liked this past episode enough to keep watching, but not a whole bunch more. I liked that the twins were gone and that they more or less shoved Nikki aside (hopefully). I imagine they will eventually get back to her, maybe give her an episode like Company Man (we can only hope she dies at the end of it, leaving Micah to fend for himself and grow up).
I find it interesting that Peter obviously has been in contact with electric lady. I wonder if at some point in "the missing months" they were an item. It sort of seems like something they might do. I can imagine there being some sort of showdown with them where she sidles up to him and says "Don't you remember all the good times?" or something. Also, who did they send to get Peter now? It seems odd that they would've sent the girl in the first place, seeing as Peter obviously has her power + lots and lots of others. But, whatever.
I liked Nathan in this past episode. I liked how he was smart and stayed outside of the room with the crazy shotgun man. Showed a level of critical thinking usually missing from this show. I hope they eventually reveal/focus on him some more. I'm interested in what's going on with him.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jon Boy: Because he promised his family that there'd be no more secrets.
He meant no more secrets kept from him. He just didn't mention that part.
Posted by Olivet (Member # 1104) on :
I think Heroes has struggled, in part, because the head writer is gone. So far this season, the sweet, occasionally funny/believably human quirkiness of what the characters say has been lacking.
On a brighter note, we've started watching Pushing Daisies (waves to kat) and WE. LOVE. It. It has never failed to make me laugh while at the same time let me feel for the characters.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
I still don't get it. Heroes isn't struggling. THe first season was not good. It kept me on premise and promise alone. Season 2 finally seems to be going somewhere. I'd go so far as to say that the show has benefited from the loss of the head writer from last season because he couldn't tell a story. I'm just not seeing the drop in quality of dialog, either.
Posted by ricree101 (Member # 7749) on :
quote:Originally posted by Phanto: Bob doesn't seem like a great company leader to me, and everytime that the company seems to be really bad, we discover its employees aren't so scary after all. The company needs ambiguity.
Wait, did we ever establish that he was the leader of the company? While he certainly seemed high up, I definitely never got the feeling that he was in charge of things. Maybe a level or so above Thompson was the feeling I got, but that could just be me.
Posted by Mucus (Member # 9735) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: Can I just say that Peter's drawing was a little lack luster? OOOOHHHH two men standing in the doorway of some unknown building, WOW!
Well, the one on the right is probably a girl, but yeah. Indeed.
quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn: What, we're supposed to believe she'd NEVER get involved with a guy? That's goofy.
Story-wise, I'd agree. Realistically, it has only been a bit more than a year from the first episode (assuming one season = one year). Since then, she's learned about numerous people with powers, her dad lying to her, a X-Files like conspiracy, and now they're on the run and her dad is away again on long trips for a paper company which do not quite make sense. Realistically, she seems a bit too blase about the whole thing. I would be next-to-paranoid, trying to second guess my father all the time and seeing the company out of the corner of my eyes, not thinking about hooking up and worrying about a social life. But that would be dull.
quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn: ... when Clark tells Lana everything and she's okay with it, but then by the end of the episode they UNDO IT and go right back to stupidness! Well that was the last straw. I haven't seen an episode since.
There was a pretty funny moment in the Lois&Clark series when a time travelling villain parodies how stupid Lois Lane must be for not figuring out that "Clark is Superman" when revealing that fact to Lois for the first time. It was great.
Posted by Olivet (Member # 1104) on :
I see what you're saying, and I agree to a point. But I think the reason I'm not connecting as much with the new characters is that they aren't interesting. I don't think the acting is bad. I connected with new characters introduced late last season (invisible man, big dead black guy, linderman), so I don't think that it's the 'new' that's the problem.
I don't think anything that has happened so far could not have been made more believable by more interesting words (Claire's boring romance thing could have popped).
Maybe his leaving has nothing to do with the change. *shrug* I've followed shows that you really could see an extreme change in quality based only on the writer of the episode (X-files, Dead Zone), but maybe that isn't the case here.
And I still like Heroes a lot. I look forward to the next episode, because I DO want to know what happens. That means they're still doing something right.
I think it has struggled a bit, though, and not just this season. It took three or four episodes to hook me last season, too. The first few I just came away saying I'd watch the next one.
Of course, this is my pov and I accept that things look different from different vantage points. I'm not saying your experience is wrong, just that mine is different. Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Hm, have to disagree on what's more "realistic." If it were me, I'd be looking for a friend and ally. Keep in mind she did have a good friend before, until the Haitian wiped his memory. She obviously doesn't fully trust her father, and her mother and brother are useless.
It's not just about hooking up and having a social life, that's far too superficial. She needs a rock, someone to confide in and rely on. West came in at the right time, and now she has her person to rely on. That she'd develop romantic feelings for him seems pretty natural to me.
And I think some of her lack of vulnerability has to do with the fact that she's invulnerable. That'd probably play a role for me in a bit of a disconnect from the danger.
Posted by Mucus (Member # 9735) on :
I'd interpret that a different way. She wasn't able to rely on her father, then her best friend, then the Haitian that was supposed to protect her. If I were her, I'd be damn mistrustful of others and rely more on myself than try to look for help from others. Afterall, who knows the real story with West and it is a little more than convenient that he both has powers and found out about her in what I would estimate about two weeks or so of school.
Add the Haitian, she cannot even necessarily trust her own memory. Yeah, she remembers that the Haitian didn't go through with it, but what if he did and changed her recollections?
My level of paranoia would be through the roof. Trust no one Posted by DevilDreamt (Member # 10242) on :
I don't like West. I don't trust him. It seems way to convenient too, the entire relationship. And the way he smiles.... I would just as soon drive a stake through his heart.
The hooded figure that killed Hiro's dad? I'm betting it was West. Slender build, small for a man, survived falling off a building, because he can fly. Makes sense to me.
Anyway, I hope they do something cool with Sylar. I hope that he stays Gabriel, and never regains his power. I don't think he has the sickness that robs them of them their power, I assume the brain damage from the massive loss of blood made him forget how the powers work, permanently. If he does regain his original power, I hope he refrains from ... eating people. I do enjoy dynamic characters, and I think they could really make him more interesting and less of a cliche.
The new episode has been the best one yet this season, IMO.
I'm very interested to see who put Peter into that crate and why. Whoever did it obviously wanted him to meet up with the Irish family (I don't believe it coincidence they were hired to rob that particular crate only). This whole series they've hinted at a mysterious mastermind evil force, but I wonder if the person who put Peter on that crate is a good force, looking out for him. Someone that stole him from the company and gave him clues to his past, and wanted him to meet these people...
Of course, it's just as possible that whoever sent him to Ireland and let him escape from the company's watchful eyes is evil. I wonder what the plan is...
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
I like West a lot. That said, I don't think I'd turn my back on him. Does that make sense?
Posted by Glenn Arnold (Member # 3192) on :
quote:We've got Nikki checked in for treatment. (I still don't like her, but at least she doesn't have a big part this season.)
Prediction: Niki isn't checked in for treatment, Jessica is. (Notice the devious smile out of the right side of her mouth) Also, her grabbing Bob by the throat was staged for Mohinder's benefit.
Result: She gets a bigger part later this season.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mucus:
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: Can I just say that Peter's drawing was a little lack luster? OOOOHHHH two men standing in the doorway of some unknown building, WOW!
Well, the one on the right is probably a girl, but yeah. Indeed.
Are you sure one of them is a girl? Not a long haired guy? I confess I didn't look at the people so much as the street names.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
I have a friend who lives at that house.....
Posted by Mucus (Member # 9735) on :
BB: Not sure, which is why I said "probably." However, it did look like the long hair was permed and not merely long, also I think either Peter or the girl indicated that it might be her. Both are obviously inconclusive.
Posted by solo (Member # 3148) on :
Caitlin said to Peter "Is that us?" when she looked at the picture so I'm assuming it's a girl.
Also, the "unknown building" wasn't the important part of the picture, the street names were. I can't remember for sure but I think one of them was Rue St. Laurent which is a fairly famous Montreal street.
Posted by solo (Member # 3148) on :
This seems to support the fact that the painting is set in Montreal (still can't really make out the street names though).
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
The church around the corner in the painting does look like the Notre Dame Basillica in Montreal. Does anyone know Montreal well enough to know what streets intersect with that square?
Posted by Foust (Member # 3043) on :
Well, St. Cathrine and St. Laurent is a major intersection in Montreal, but I'm pretty sure the Nortre Dame isn't one either of those streets.
Posted by Brinestone (Member # 5755) on :
I never noticed the symbol above the door before.
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
Well, provided the streets are, in fact, Rue Sainte-Catherine and Boulevard Saint-Laurent, the Notre Dame Basilica is about half a mile away, as the crow flies.
(Thank you, Google Earth.)
This cap gives the exact street names, albeit misspelled, which are only a block away. There ends the mystery.
[ October 24, 2007, 08:23 PM: Message edited by: Carrie ]
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
Does anyone know why this season's episodes aren't available on iTunes? I'd grown accustomed to downloading my TV shows. I know that I can still watch the episodes online at nbc.com but I'd like to be able to download them so I can watch when I'm not connected to the internet.
Posted by ricree101 (Member # 7749) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Rabbit: Does anyone know why this season's episodes aren't available on iTunes? I'd grown accustomed to downloading my TV shows. I know that I can still watch the episodes online at nbc.com but I'd like to be able to download them so I can watch when I'm not connected to the internet.
NBC and apple had a dispute a while back, and NBC decided not to renew the contract. Since this would result in apple only getting half a season for some shows, they decided to just pull everything.
Edit: Here's a link to the story from Marketwatch.
NBC has cancelled its deal with iTunes because of a pricing dispute. I think they are or will be selling episodes elsewhere, though I don't remember where.
Edit: Too slow!
Posted by AvidReader (Member # 6007) on :
I think the writing may have passed below some kind of obvious threshhold for me. I felt bored with the episode except for the bits with Mr. Bennet, who I much prefer a little evil. There was plenty going on, but I thought it was telegraphed to pointlessness. The only real question for me is how will Hiro communicate with Ando next?
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
Hm, well at least there is gonna be another post-apocalyptic story-line. Those are always fun.
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
This episode was not so good, imo. Boring events, more of the twins, and a silly and immoral scheme to scare a cheerleader.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
Seconded. Also, Mr. Bennett is back to being evil (I thought he left the company and decided to bring it down because he realized how evil it is), which is rather disappointing and uninteresting. And not much else happened in the episode.
Posted by ricree101 (Member # 7749) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jon Boy: Seconded. Also, Mr. Bennett is back to being evil (I thought he left the company and decided to bring it down because he realized how evil it is), which is rather disappointing and uninteresting.
Did he ever really stop being evil? Yeah, he was supposed to be sympathetic because of how much he cared for his family, but he hasn't been shown to be all that great in the actual practice of defending his family. For one thing, even on his family members he has shown very little in the way of scruples, since he's regularly had the memories of his family members taken away in the name of protecting them. Oh, and don't forget that this guy seemed quite willing to kill Molly Walker because he thought it would make things a little safer for his family. As far as I'm concerned, this guy was never really a particularly good person, and this episode is just reminding us of that.
quote:Originally posted by Phanto: ... and a silly and immoral scheme to scare a cheerleader.
Yeah, Claire's story is somehow managing to get less and less interesting to me, not to mention less plausible. I mean, was she really dumb enough not to at least consider that her father might hear a rumor about what happened and connect the dots. I mean, he was the one who tagged that flying kid. Unless he's moved since then, isn't there a decent chance that Mr. Bennet knows about him?
Also, I still liked Hiro's story this week, and I like that we're starting to see some of what the overall story for this year will be.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
I'd forgotten that he was going to kill Molly. But I was thinking of how he changed after he left the company—he stopped hiding everything from them and told them everything. That's a pretty significant change. But I suppose he still has no qualms about killing, so I guess he's just changed his priorities and decided to kill for his family instead of killing for the company.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
How many characters are there on the show that haven't done bad things?
Nathan abandoned his daughter, had an affair, almost let NYC be nuked
Peter helped commit a crime
Hiro and Ando stole a sword
Niki... 'nuff said
DL was a thief
Micah robbed an ATM and stole Pay-Per-View
Claire got Debbie the bitca kicked off of the cheerleading squad because she hurt her feelings
Maya killed a bunch of men
Alejandro... well, all he's really done is violate immigration law, no?
Parkman... has he done anything bad?
Mohinder seems pretty clean as well
Molly helped the Company track people down
Other than Molly's Daddies (heh), everyone on this show is morally ambiguous. At best.
Posted by The Pixiest (Member # 1863) on :
Mohinder has commited the crime of being dreadfully boring.
Posted by Mucus (Member # 9735) on :
I don't remember what happened to those diamonds that Parkman took from that guy he was acting as a bodyguard for (after he died).
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lisa: Alejandro... well, all he's really done is violate immigration law, no?
Accessory to murder?
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
On the list of those who have done bad things, you forgot that girl from New Orleans. I like that girl, very likable.
Oh, does anyone know the origin of the likeable/likable difference.
Posted by ricree101 (Member # 7749) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lisa: [*]Parkman... has he done anything bad?
He's been pretty clean in this timeline, but five years in the future he did kill Bennet in cold blood and help prop up an oppressive regime.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
All right, this was the worst episode of the season with one minor exception -- I'm finally interested in what's going to happen to Hiro.
But come on, ANOTHER threat to New York City? Who the heck even cares? And I mean, is New York the only city on the planet because sometimes I swear movie and TV people think so. I was completely defensive of this season until I saw that. They are trying to compel us with the EXACT same storyline again and it is not going to work. Heck, it wasn't that interesting last season. Sigh...
I'm not thrilled with Mr. Bennett's new evil side.
The twins continue to bore me, as does Syler.
Niki was back, however briefly. Ugh.
Claire's troubles with a cartoonishly spiteful cheer leading captain was unbelievable. Her revenge didn't bother me nearly as much as the implausibility of the whole situation.
Oh, and Peter's still a walking, talking moron. I actually liked him last year.
Aside from Hiro, Mohinder actually managed to be the most interesting character this time.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
Parkman setup that warrantless raid to the paper warehouse Noah was, "working" at; got suspended for that. He also punched, (assault) that guy when he read his thoughts about him having sex with his wife.
Also in that alternate future episode Parkman was a HUGE jerk, I wanted him dead during that episode. I like him just fine now.
edit: Alejandro tried to break into a car, and got caught by that policeman. Grand theft auto is pretty big in my book. He has also stated that he won't undue the damage his sister's power inflicts next time it kills somebody.
Why couldn't she have killed the citizen's border patrol, had her brother cure them and then drove off while they were all coming to?
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
quote:Originally posted by Christine: But come on, ANOTHER threat to New York City?
It wasn't just New York City—it was the entire world. The preview for next week said something about 93 percent of the world's population dying.
quote:Why couldn't she have killed the citizen's border patrol, had her brother cure them and then drove off while they were all coming to?
Because it's a plot device, like her fluency in English when her brother doesn't speak a word. He only cures the virus when it's expedient to the story.
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
And remember, last year it was "Save the Cheerleader, Save the World", but they rarely indicated that anyplace other than New York City was in immediate danger of annihilation. They did show a pretty grim world in the future had the bomb in NYC gone off, but, one might argue that the world we live in NOW is somewhat grim...
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jon Boy:
quote:Originally posted by Christine: But come on, ANOTHER threat to New York City?
It wasn't just New York City—it was the entire world. The preview for next week said something about 93 percent of the world's population dying.
I don't watch previews...hey tend to either spoil or mislead, and I don't like either way.
Even so, I very much hope you are right and that it is more than just New York in jeopardy. It would be more exciting. I wish they could have given us a taste of that at the end of this episode, though. By showing us the same street corner in New York it really just felt like another New York problem.
Hmmm...but that makes me wonder. It wasn't a bomb...it seemed more like a plague. I wonder if whatever the company is doing really will mutate the virus until it destroys everyone.
Posted by Sergeant (Member # 8749) on :
So, the Russian in the new episode is bad...I mean Sean Connery bad. I should be honest and say some of them aren't to bad but Claires dad is horrific.
Sergeant
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
I already mentioned that I was going to stop watching until my friends informed me that the show stopped being dull. This would be easy for them to do since a good chunk of them would get together and watch Heroes here.
Uh, unfortunately, the last few episodes have been so piss-poor that the heroes parties just dropped off the map. Now I trust this thread to tell us all when to restart viewership.
Heroes is in geostationary orbit above the shark.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
If I had to guess?
The company is using the virus to kill everyone who ISN'T a Hero, and the 7% or whatever of the population that survives are all heroes. Or they aren't trying and it happens anyway, but that's my guess.
Hiro's was the plot that bothered me the most this week. He had to know he was never going to get the girl in this specific instance, yet he screwed everything up anyway. I wouldn't call Noah evil per se, but he IS ruthless.
This episode didn't bother me any, it pushed stuff along and next week looks pretty cool. This thread has gotten a bit stale though.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
I just realized where the Russian dude is from, Spiderman! He's the landlord!
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sergeant: So, the Russian in the new episode is bad...I mean Sean Connery bad. I should be honest and say some of them aren't to bad but Claires dad is horrific.
Sergeant
You know that the guy who played Ivan really does speak Russian, right? He was born in Latvia. But yeah, Claire's dad didn't sound nearly so authentic—like he just learned a few lines phonetically.
Jon: That was driving me nuts, too. I didn't realize it until I saw his IMDB page.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
quote:But yeah, Claire's dad didn't sound nearly so authentic—like he just learned a few lines phonetically.
Why would he sound anywhere near that authentic? One was born in the area and knows the language from birth, both his character and the actor. The other is from America, born and raised, and learned it later. Is there a reason he SHOULD sound as authentic as the real thing?
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
I wasn't being critical. I didn't think he sounded that bad, but then again I don't speak Russian. Honestly, though, his fluency or lack there of was so trivial that it doesn't even earn an honorable mention on the list of things that disappointed me about that episode.
Posted by Sergeant (Member # 8749) on :
It wasn't his accent so much as the words they chose for him to say. Just as Sean Connery in Hunt for Red October (which was worse as he was supposed to be a Russian) he didn't make proper sentences. Then again, I was chatting with someone today in Russian and I didn't do so great either
Sergeant
Posted by ricree101 (Member # 7749) on :
quote:Originally posted by Christine: Hmmm...but that makes me wonder. It wasn't a bomb...it seemed more like a plague. I wonder if whatever the company is doing really will mutate the virus until it destroys everyone.
Either that or the stuff from that girl's eyes will have something to do with it. Maybe even a combination of the two, if the company gets her. I mean, there has to be some reason for her being here, right?
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: Alejandro ... has also stated that he won't undue the damage his sister's power inflicts next time it kills somebody.
To be fair, I'm pretty sure that was specifically limited to killing Sylar, probably as a check on him pulling something like the situation at the border.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
Actually, Sean Connery's character was supposed to be Lithuanian. Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by JonHecht: I just realized where the Russian dude is from, Spiderman! He's the landlord!
Aha! I knew I had seen him before, just didn't have a chance to IMDB him.
Posted by JoeH (Member # 5958) on :
Maya trusting a guy she found laying on a dirt road in the middle of nowhere a couple days ago over her own brother really irritates me.
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
At least the Haitian was in this past episode.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
quote:Originally posted by JoeH: Maya trusting a guy she found laying on a dirt road in the middle of nowhere a couple days ago over her own brother really irritates me.
Maya irritates me. She makes no sense and neither does her plotline. If it is possible, it's worse than Nikki/Jesse
Speaking of which, who thinks Nikki/Jesse is suddenly cured and if so, is she Nikki or Jesse?
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
quote:Originally posted by Carrie: At least the Haitian was in this past episode.
Alright, this is totally unfair. You are allowed to like the Haitian because he is hot, but we are not allowed to like Nikki for the same reason. Sexism!
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
Nikki ain't hot, and the Haitian is just plain cool.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
She is pretty hot, IMO. Besides, there are so few female characters that I take what I can get. The women have the Haitian, Mohinder, Peter, and Nathan.
Posted by AvidReader (Member # 6007) on :
quote: who thinks Nikki/Jesse is suddenly cured and if so, is she Nikki or Jesse?
Jessica. Definitely. She'll get to keep control over the body thanks to the Company until Micah is once again in harm's way. Then her mommy instincts will take over. On the bright side, Jessica tends to be more interesting than Niki.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
I believe multiple personality disorder is usually treated by integrating the personalities, so I'm guessing the answer is she's both.
Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
I think it's Jessica. She was giving off that evil/smooth Jessica vibe.
Claire and West are really starting to get on my nerves. The Alejandro/Maya/Sylar plot is also stupid. Didn't Maya already use her virus powers to break Alejandro out of jail? I interpreted that as purposeful, which means that Sylar's use of her to kill those guys isn't a new trick for her, really. It's just that this time, for some weird reason, she decided to leave them dead.
I wonder if Monica can do supernatural things if she sees another hero doing something. If so, she's like Peter++. If not, she's his complement in a way. I want to see more of her.
Definite "Oh my goodness!" moment when Russian guy says "You condemn yourself to hell," and Mr. Bennet shoots him and says, "I know." I'm not entirely certain I buy his rationale for killing the guy, actually. The company must know that the Bennets are still out there hiding, and I don't see how messing with Russian guy's mind would give them any clues as to his whereabouts. I suppose they might pull up travel information. It kind of seems like there might be some element of revenge, though. Also, I think he's being really stupid in how he's handling this situation. He should have shown Claire the painting and explained to her why he didn't want her to date. I think she'd understand.
The first thing I thought when I saw the abandoned city was "Oh, I bet that virus got out and killed everyone."
Hiro was being stupid when he kissed Yaeko. And when Kensei confronted him, he probably should have offered to leave.
Why was Mohinder wearing a lab coat? There's no good reason to wear one while watching someone do gymnastics. I know it's shorthand for "I'm a scientist!" but scientists don't usually wear them unless they're trying to stay clean or are worried about getting something dangerous spilled on them.
Bob did a good job pretending to be not-evil, but I'm betting we'll find out he was just a very good actor.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
quote:Originally posted by Shigosei: I wonder if Monica can do supernatural things if she sees another hero doing something.
I don't think so. Mohinder said it was muscle memory or something. And she's seen Micah do his thing, but she doesn't seem to have gained his ability.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
quote:Bob did a good job pretending to be not-evil, but I'm betting we'll find out he was just a very good actor.
I'd say that ended when Bob sent Jessikki to watch over Mohinder as his "partner." I don't think Mohinder, while naive, is dumb enough to miss the implied threat that she gave him. He's being much more closely watched, and they won't tolerate anymore insubordination.
Posted by ricree101 (Member # 7749) on :
quote:Originally posted by Shigosei: Definite "Oh my goodness!" moment when Russian guy says "You condemn yourself to hell," and Mr. Bennet shoots him and says, "I know." I'm not entirely certain I buy his rationale for killing the guy, actually. The company must know that the Bennets are still out there hiding, and I don't see how messing with Russian guy's mind would give them any clues as to his whereabouts. I suppose they might pull up travel information. It kind of seems like there might be some element of revenge, though. Also, I think he's being really stupid in how he's handling this situation. He should have shown Claire the painting and explained to her why he didn't want her to date. I think she'd understand.
I kind of agree with you, but I also think that his behavior is pretty reasonable considering his history. From what we've been presented, he has a pretty strong us vs them mentality, not to mention having spent so much time being secretive that it must be second nature to him. When you add in the fact that he's basically slipped back into the same lifestyle he was leading before "The Company Man" (although now the company is "them" instead of "us"), it is very believable that he would slip back into the same old compartmentalization.
quote:
Hiro was being stupid when he kissed Yaeko. And when Kensei confronted him, he probably should have offered to leave.
Yeah, I agree that it was stupid, but he wouldn't be the first person to do something incredibly stupid due to love.
Posted by erosomniac (Member # 6834) on :
I still haven't seen any episodes past when I said I'd quit, but something's been bugging me and I need to ask, because maybe I missed it. Is Nathan a senator? If so, why does he now look like a homeless person? If not, why isn't he, and why aren't there way more repercussions because of it?
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Wasn't he running for the House of Reps? He certainly won the election, but if I had to guess I'd say that he quit his post.
And give him some credit, he doesn't look homeless anymore. I'm a big surprised that his marriage broke down as fast as it did. Considering how he stuck by his wife after the accident (well, at least in HER perception), she dumped him kind of fast.
I'd like to see a flashback, or at least a visit from his wife to explain what the hell happened there.
What I want to know: Who is Adam Monroe? Who wants to guess that he is Kristen Bell's father?
Posted by Magson (Member # 2300) on :
Does anyone have a picture of the painting with Noah dead and Claire in it? To me it has always just looked like she's standing over him with half her face in shadow -- I don't see this "She's making out with a boy" thing y'all keep talking about.
Posted by AvidReader (Member # 6007) on :
Adam is Peter's mirror self. That's why the note from Adam was left on the bureau mirror.
As for Nathan, the teacher commented that he wasn't allowed to be there at the school. That sounds like a restraining order to me. I'm guessing he got violent while he was drunk after Peter died.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
quote:Adam is Peter's mirror self. That's why the note from Adam was left on the bureau mirror.
Elaboration please?
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by JoeH: Maya trusting a guy she found laying on a dirt road in the middle of nowhere a couple days ago over her own brother really irritates me.
But remember this, "guy laying in the dirt" knows Dr. Saresh which is pretty coincidental. He also put that Wanted: poster in their faces and asked them to be honest with him about them being fugitives, (as an aside did the poster say "fugitive" or "murderers," pretty sure it said fugitives.) and immediately returned their honesty with some of "his own" when he told them the other guy was calling the police and that they would have to run. Maya has coupled these events with her theology and thinks God is working in mysterious ways. How else could they just HAPPEN to run into another guy who is not afraid of their powers, and knows Dr. Seresh, the doctor who can help them come to grips with their condition?
It's going to be a pretty rude awakening down the road.
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
quote:rather disappointing and uninteresting. And not much else happened in the episode.
Hey, that kind of sums up my entire experience with this series.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by Scott R:
quote:rather disappointing and uninteresting. And not much else happened in the episode.
Hey, that kind of sums up my entire experience with this series.
Funny that's exactly how your wife described you last night. OHHHHHH!!! Posted by theCrowsWife (Member # 8302) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: (as an aside did the poster say "fugitive" or "murderers," pretty sure it said fugitives.)
It said "homocidio," so yes it said they were wanted for homocide.
--Mel
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
Add me to those who think that this year's Heroes is nowhere near as good as last year's.
Here's my break down of the story lines:
Hiro's storyline is actually my LEAST favorite, after being my favorite last season. It's almost as bad to me as Niki/Jessica was. Having Kensie be british I thought was odd, but what's worse is the total lack of believability in their adventures. The prime example which gets riled up is the "90 angry Ronin" one. Being able to regenerate does not give you a conceivable shot at defeating 90 samurai at once. They aren't going to cut off your arm, and then wait patiently for it to grow back so that you can continue the fight. They are going to cut off your limbs faster than you can regrow them. I'd say Kensie could believably take down 5 or 6 of them, but no way could he do 90.
It may sound like nitpicking, but Hiro's entire story is strange like that. It's a difference in the realism between an adult superhero comics and a children's super hero comic. I don't mind a lack of realism, but at least it should be somewhat consistent within one show (or even episode).
No one likes the twins, and I am no exception. They could have done all the things they've done so far in one episode, with the story hurt not at all.
Claire's story I don't mind as much as some do. It's not riveting, but I'm at least entertained.
I like Peter's story, despite the silly antics over the box. Every reference to the box of doom made me cringe. Niki and I both like the Irish girl. I enjoyed Kristen Bell's appearance. I never watched Veronica Mars, but the actress has undeniable charisma. Her power is the one I'd imagined for myself in the Heroes world (I can't be the only one who has thought of my own Hero power).
The new girl from NO is okay, but I am waiting patiently for where it is heading.
Every Niki/Jessica appearance makes me want to cry. To address a recent topic in this thread: I can recognize that Ali Larter probably has some qualities to make her physically attractive, but I can't even see them anymore. She's that painful of an actress.
I am interested in where the Matt/Nathan thing is going. There story is probably the best thing going on in the show at the moment.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: Funny that's exactly how your wife described you last night. OHHHHHH!!!
Apparently BlackBlade's superpower is to time travel back to third grade. Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by theCrowsWife:
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: (as an aside did the poster say "fugitive" or "murderers," pretty sure it said fugitives.)
It said "homocidio," so yes it said they were wanted for homocide.
--Mel
Which means there is an incident before any of the episodes we have seen thus far where Maya killed somebody and her brother for some reason failed to revive them. Everyone we have seen thus far has been killed and then brought back to life.
I guess we will be seeing a flashback of that some time this season. Posted by AvidReader (Member # 6007) on :
Lyr, I just think it's obvious that Adam is going to be Peter's mirror self. We've been talking about a mirror Peter since Nathan saw his scarred reflection. Now Peter gets a note from Adam on the mirror in the warehouse, and the Company has a file on him. We know Peter had to have met Lightning Girl, so I'm guessing she met Adam instead.
Posted by just_me (Member # 3302) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade:
quote:Originally posted by theCrowsWife:
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: (as an aside did the poster say "fugitive" or "murderers," pretty sure it said fugitives.)
It said "homocidio," so yes it said they were wanted for homocide.
--Mel
Which means there is an incident before any of the episodes we have seen thus far where Maya killed somebody and her brother for some reason failed to revive them. Everyone we have seen thus far has been killed and then brought back to life.
I guess we will be seeing a flashback of that some time this season.
Don't we already know that it was their parents she killed? Why her brother couldn't save them I don't know, unless he was not near (which would explain even more why they get so terrified of being apart) or didn't know then that he could stop it...
Posted by theCrowsWife (Member # 8302) on :
I haven't seen anything to suggest that it was their parents. In fact, Alejandro says at one point that he promised their mother to get her safely to America. That doesn't prove that the parents are still alive, but it does suggest that the twins' problems predate that conversation.
--Mel
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
I would say that my single biggest disappointment in the second season would be how they're handling Claire's storylines.
It would be one thing if it were a simple case of teenage loneliness/infatuation induced stupidity. But given the kind of world she was living in less than half a year ago, the things she saw and the pains she suffered, you'd think she would have learned some degree of wisdom.
I mean, let's see. Telling transparent lies to her father. Lying to Noah is one thing, but to do so so stupidly, I have a difficult time imagining Claire doing so. Not once stopping to wonder, "Hey, you know this guy who can fly was exhibiting some bizarre stalker behavior before he could ever have known I had these abilities (or if he DID know she had those abilities, how and what's his agenda?)." Or, "Hey, let's hang out with the guy who routinely flies in broad daylight in public places! And let's not forget to make sure that two special abilities, one of which is mine, becomes associated with what will surely be a widely-told tale at school while I'm on the run!"
And what, suddenly her new hearthrob spins her a sob story about what she already knew her father did, knew that he was ordered to make it much worse but did not, and then she starts to mistrust him again as much as she did back about 2/3 through the first season? The Haitian didn't make her forget Noah having himself gutshot and nearly killed, right? How much penance does he owe Claire, anyway?
Ugh. She is just very annoying right now. That's probably my biggest beef, though. I'm still enjoying the second season quite a bit. Hiro's story is still interesting to me. I really do like him, because he's remained fundamentally the same sort of person throughout: a well-meaning, idealistic, optimistic sort of...nerdy twerp, kind of. He's always trying to get better, even after he stumbles, and he recognizes it when people help him and he's grateful (as with Ando), and faces his trials with head held high.
Sure, he's screwing up, but just about the only time he ever got a sit down and trained in anything was probably for entry-level programming, and for sword-fighting. Otherwise, he's still a total rookie.
I'm still interested in Sylar, although that will diminish the longer he stays alive. Not because I think he'll grow boring, but because it becomes more and more ridiculous that he isn't killed outright. By, for example, Parkman and Suresh and Noah, who might just cover their bases by saying to Molly, "Sweetie, we're pretty sure he's dead, but could you please just check to see if you can find Sylar seeing as how his body mysteriously vanished?"
I enjoy Nathan Petrelli, partially because I dig the actor, but also because he seems to me to be the man most firmly astride both 'worlds'. The Two-Face thing in the mirror, that's pretty intriguing to me, although how he survived the explosion isn't much of a mystery. Personally, I suspect a lot of his self-loathing and guilt is rooted in what I think happened: he flew away from Peter exploding and saved himself, letting as he thought Peter die.
The story of the previous generation's (and further back) heroes, modern day kingmakers, is the one I'm most interested in right now. Some of them seem, as Nathan quite accurately stated, to be hideously evil. Others seem repentant, and there are over a half dozen we've never even met yet.
Well, anyway, I'm rambling. I still think it's a groovy show.
Posted by Mucus (Member # 9735) on :
quote:Originally posted by Rakeesh: ... But given the kind of world she was living in less than half a year ago, the things she saw and the pains she suffered, you'd think she would have learned some degree of wisdom.
High five! Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
quote:Originally posted by AvidReader: Lyr, I just think it's obvious that Adam is going to be Peter's mirror self. We've been talking about a mirror Peter since Nathan saw his scarred reflection. Now Peter gets a note from Adam on the mirror in the warehouse, and the Company has a file on him. We know Peter had to have met Lightning Girl, so I'm guessing she met Adam instead.
First of all that was just weird to read because my name is Adam.
Second, I really, really don't get why we're supposed to assume that naturally it's Peter's mirror self. Other than Niki, who the hell has a mirror self? Nathan just had one appear, and we've seen it a couple times, but no other character has even shown a hint of it.
I think Adam Monroe is a real character. If it was Peter, how stupid would anyone have been to not know that Adam is Peter given the powers involved? Second, I'm supposed to believe that he became THAT big of a problem in just a couple months? I don't buy that either. I think Peter worked with Monroe, one way or the other, and that Kristen Bell is affiliated with Monroe (perhaps his daughter?).
But I see zero evidence of him being a second personality of Peter's. What's with the fixation on multiple personalities all of a sudden?
Posted by Elmer's Glue (Member # 9313) on :
Niki just has a personality disorder. It isn't her power. There are no mirror people.
Maybe I'm remembering it wrong, but didn't Maya kill all the people in the truck in the first episode? Alejandro didn't get there until a while later. The only way he can stop people from...inking to death?... is to get to Maya before they are dead.
This whole season has been a disappointment. I'll still watch it, I just won't be waiting for it all week. Next week I'm watching the 2-hour Prison Break live in HD,(I still have DVR for Heroes.) even though that show is a disappointment too. The only show that doesn't disappoint me now is Pushing Daisies.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
It just started. Give it time.
Posted by AvidReader (Member # 6007) on :
I don't think Niki does have a disorder. I think that's really her sister. Why else did she wake up in rooms splattered in blood without a drop on herself? Jessica in the mirror usually had some sign of a struggle. I think that's why Jessica had the tattoo. To show that she is physically not the same person. That's also why I don't think the Company cured her. I think they made Jessica the predominant body because she's willing to work for them.
Posted by Elmer's Glue (Member # 9313) on :
One thing I did like; the end of the episode with Peter in the future. Maybe if we have a big storyline the show can get back to what I loved from the first season.
Posted by theCrowsWife (Member # 8302) on :
Do we know what invisible man's name is? Because that's my husband's theory as to who Adam Monroe is.
--Mel
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
The invisible man is Claude something or other.
Posted by theCrowsWife (Member # 8302) on :
Oh. So much for that theory.
--Mel
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I thought this week was amazing, and I think next week looks stunning.
I knew Kensei would show up at some point in the present.
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
Next week looks amazing. Kensei coming to the future is so so so needed as otherwise all that time in the past was wasted. It also adds some real emotion to the show.
BTW, I missed the first 20 minutes. Can someone give me a quick sum-up?
Posted by Eaquae Legit (Member # 3063) on :
Well. Now we know how the whole Kenzei storyline connects. I admit I didn't expect it, although I really should have. I was even nudging up alongside it this week, wondering if cellular regeneration would effect immortality. ("The Forever King" by Molly Cochrane and Warren Murphy speculates a positive answer, and I have had that book for a decade.)
Now, now I am interested. The buildup is starting to pay off. We're getting connections hinted at, and I'm anxious to see how they develop.
Was Darth Hoodie one of Parkman Sr's nightmare illusions?
West: still an idiot, and getting more annoying by the episode. Claire: only slightly less of an idiot. Niki: likable! Parkman: good for him! Molly: yay! Mr Bennett: *sigh* honesty helps matters. Mohinder: I don't envy him his rock nor his hard place. Irish Girl: I wish they'd make her relevant somehow. Barring that, make her interesting. Peter: also sucks to be him.
I'm looking forward to next week's episode, which looks to be choke-full of revelations.
Posted by ricree101 (Member # 7749) on :
Honestly, I'm starting to really hope that the last painting comes true sooner rather than later. Mr Bennet's complete reluctance to communicate has just crossed into the point where it's absolutely absurd. This whole thing could be cleared up if he just told Claire about the painting and explained what's going on. It's not like she hasn't been in the middle of all of this before. I can see absolutely no reason for him not to simply tell her, and I'm starting to think that the show will be better with him gone.
A couple of other random thoughts about this week:
They've finally finished the setup phase. With Hiro back in the future and a lot of questions finally out in the open, it looks like they're actually ready to get the show moving again.
No twins or Sylar.
They had Kensai locked up for years. What can they possibly get from Claire that they couldn't have gotten from him during that time?
The whole mechanics of leaving someone in the future are really weird when you think about it. I mean, what happens if they change the future while she's still there? Does she simply go poof? Interesting to ponder, IMO.
It's been obvious that Kensai was going to be a present day villian for a while now, but it's good that they've finally brought it out into the open.
Niki was actually half decent in this epsiode. Plus, it looks like we won't be seeing much of her for a while.
And while we're on the subject of Niki, I'm a little surprised (and relieved) that she was actually herself. I was definitely in the camp that thought Jessica was in control again. I'm glad to see that Jessica looks like she's gone for good.
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
I really really liked Matt in this episode. He's such a good guy with amazing potential that he's actually realizing in a believable manner.
Kensei, though the obvious villian, should spice things up a bit. I can't wait to see his interactions with Peter.
The massive meeting o' heroes in Bob's office was pretty awesome, too. I loved seeing DL and was really hoping he was back, but having Maury get into Niki's head like that was also amazing.
This episode was, overall, much better than the previous ones. Hopefully they'll continue to improve. Posted by Brinestone (Member # 5755) on :
quote: Kensei coming to the future is so so so needed as otherwise all that time in the past was wasted. It also adds some real emotion to the show.
I believe he didn't come to the future but has simply survived all this time due to his cells' ability to regenerate and thus prevent him from aging or dying.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I think Phanto just meant Kensei coming to the present as a part of the storyline, not that he someone hitched a ride with Hiro.
I think it's pretty obvious that he lived a long time, otherwise Adam Monroe never could have interacted with the Company, and I think Hiro and Ando would have seen him in the cubicle.
But wow, this certainly gives us an idea of what's in store for Claire.
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
Guess her daddy was right...kinda.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
quote:Honestly, I'm starting to really hope that the last painting comes true sooner rather than later. Mr Bennet's complete reluctance to communicate has just crossed into the point where it's absolutely absurd. This whole thing could be cleared up if he just told Claire about the painting and explained what's going on. It's not like she hasn't been in the middle of all of this before. I can see absolutely no reason for him not to simply tell her, and I'm starting to think that the show will be better with him gone.
Don't say this
You make me sad
/edit - Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
I am on the west coast so I am watching it as I write. West is a freakin' stalker!
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Yeah that weirded me out too, especially when it flew in the face of a specific request she made of him.
Does anyone have any other theories besides Mohinder and West as to who will kill Bennett? Mohinder has the gun now, and we know he's doubting Bennett, but West has a serious motive. I don't see anyone else as a contender.
Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
Yeah. I hope West doesn't come back. I would be completely freaked out by this kind of behavior if I were in Claire's shoes. And that's without the whole paranoia about being found out bit.
I have an idea. Instead of Mr. Bennet trying to make the painting not be true by having Claire not get a boyfriend, maybe he should get contacts. He can't die with his glasses shattered on his face if he's not wearing them.
I liked the creepy green title screen instead of the normal gold one. It gave the whole quarantined New York part an even more surreal feeling.
Matt is awesome. Incredibly awesome. He's faced his fears and his problems, and he ended up being stronger than his father. I suspect his need to protect Molly was part of what gave him the will to escape from his father.
I was thinking during the episode that Maury would be a major villain and he would be the villain's arch nemesis who would save the world this time around. They kind of built the Nightmare Man up to be the main event, but I suppose he's been dealt with and there's someone even more frightening now. Saving the cheerleader won't help this time around, 'cause the bad guy's already got healing powers.
Nathan got a nice scene as he talked Niki down. I agree, by the way -- I think this was her best episode to date.
I'm looking forward to the episode next week where they answer a whole bunch of questions!
Posted by 0Megabyte (Member # 8624) on :
Answering questions? In Heroes?1
*snickers*
Oh, wait. Are you serious?
AHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAAAA! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
Sorry.
*continues snickering*
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Obviously you've never seen LOST, or you wouldn't make that joke.
But hey, without all this set up, episodes like this week's, and certainly next week's wouldn't be as extremely awesome as they are.
Posted by ricree101 (Member # 7749) on :
quote:Originally posted by 0Megabyte: Answering questions? In Heroes?1
*snickers*
Oh, wait. Are you serious?
Personally, I think they've been doing a decent job answering the questions they bring up.
Posted by 0Megabyte (Member # 8624) on :
Lyrhawn:
true, true. The build up did add to this episode's punch.
And it WAS a good episode. This episode didn't drag, not at all. The Hiro plot jumped forward, the Peter plot finally gave him his memory, or at least part of it, back. Also, his new chick is lost in time, which is interesting, I suppose. Oh, and the whole virus thing. The Matt/Nathan/Mohinder/Molly/Various Bad Guys plot was fun, especially seeing it conclude in such a good way.
Now we're off to new things! Like Bennet not being a good guy anymore, and totally deserving what's coming since he's being foolish!
Also, I'm reminded of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, where Arthur was told about a part of the future where he was met by another character, and realized he hadn't gotten there yet.
Which meant he couldn't die until he got there.
Which meant, naturally, that he was invincible until then, and all he had to do was avoid the place as long as possible.
I wonder why Bennet hasn't just... taken off the glasses. I know I would! Also, only wear colorful outfits not at all like the one in the painting, ever again.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I don't think that'd undo the painting. They HAVE avoided the things in paintings before, like when Claire had her head cut open when Sylar attacked her, and Peter managed to fend Sylar off.
Had Claire not been wearing her cheerleading outfit, I have a hard time believing that Sylar would've been stopped.
"What, jeans and a tank top?! Well I can't eat her brains now!"
It takes serious action to stop them, not something superficial.
I have to say though, one of the coolest things about the paintings is that even the smallest thing gets you excited. When Niki threw Mohinder into the wall, and then later you saw him with the nose bandage, couple with getting the gun from Bob, you just know that something big is going to happen soon!
Posted by Elmer's Glue (Member # 9313) on :
Why do you people think changing his look is going to stop his death?
Bennett killed his mentor last week for no reason. They knew it was him anyway.
Does Kensei know that Hiro is around now? I'm not sure how angry he could be after so long.
It really sucks for Caitlin being stuck in the future that everyone is going to try to stop from happening. It especially sucks because Peter traveled back just seconds too late to bring her with him.
Posted by EmpSquared (Member # 10890) on :
quote:Originally posted by Elmer's Glue:
Does Kensei know that Hiro is around now? I'm not sure how angry he could be after so long.
I can't see Kensei being such an important villain if not for this reason. I figure that everything that happened to him festered inside him for all these centuries, and the showdown between "Adam" and Hiro will be pretty epic.
Posted by AvidReader (Member # 6007) on :
I was wrong about many plot points. Unfortunately, that was not enough to make this more interesting for me. I think I'm done with Heroes.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
quote:One day after NBC announced it was doing away with the Heroes: Origins spin-off miniseries, now comes word that, in preparation for the now inevitable strike, the Heroes team is retooling the end of its December 3 episode so that it works not just as the end to the second chapter, titled “Generations,” but also as an end to the second season. That's right, if the strike moves forward and doesn't end quickly, the second season of Heroes may be over a whole lot faster than you expected. Scheduled to be episode 11, if the December 3 episode does in fact serve as the season finale, it would mean the Heroes year is more than halfway over. This presents several scenarios and should elicit different reactions.
On the one hand, Heroes season 2 has been largely panned by fans, and perhaps a quick conclusion followed by plenty of downtime would allow the writers to reflect on exactly why viewers aren't as excited this time around and adjust accordingly. On the other hand, the Heroes team may have been building to an exciting couple episodes, and that momentum may be broken by a shortened season.
quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn: Yeah that weirded me out too, especially when it flew in the face of a specific request she made of him.
Does anyone have any other theories besides Mohinder and West as to who will kill Bennett? Mohinder has the gun now, and we know he's doubting Bennett, but West has a serious motive. I don't see anyone else as a contender.
It's not really Noah being killed. It's Sylar getting his powers back, changing his appearance into Noah so that he can get close to Claire, (Obviously to get her power.) Before he can kill her he takes a bullet in the face, I'm guessing West does it as I HOPE he is the boy kissing Claire in the background.
Posted by brojack17 (Member # 9189) on :
quote:Originally posted by Brinestone:
quote: Kensei coming to the future is so so so needed as otherwise all that time in the past was wasted. It also adds some real emotion to the show.
I believe he didn't come to the future but has simply survived all this time due to his cells' ability to regenerate and thus prevent him from aging or dying.
Wouln't this mean that Claire's time on the show would be short lived? Hayden is going to start looking like a woman and not a teenage girl. If her cells are supposed to regenerate then she wouldn't age either.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
That doesn't follow. She should get to adulthood and then stop there. Growing is growing. Aging is degenerating, which regenerating should cancel out.
Havah and I were sitting there and watching the show last night, and something clicked. It was when they were talking about Adam Monroe and his god complex. I turned to her and said, "How much do you want to bet that his power is healing, and that Adam Monroe is the English name of the guy Hiro thought was Takezo Kensei?"
Is anyone else as irked as I am by the fact that they've shown Kaito Nakamura, Angela Petrelli and Bob, and made it fairly clear that the three of them had powers, but haven't even given us a hint of what those powers might be?
Of course, it's possible that Angela used her power to bring Peter's memories back last night, but that might have just been her being his mother. But damn... if they had powers that were sufficient for them to be part of the original Company, you'd think that they'd be useful enough to have used them while we're watching.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
They told us that Bob's power is to turn stuff into gold in the first episode with him.
Edit: Maybe Kaito's power is to be an awesome teacher, or something. He did teach Hiro how to use a Katana amazingly well in under an hour.
Well enough to defeat Takezo, at least.
Posted by scholar (Member # 9232) on :
How do we know that Adam is going to be the bad guy?
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by JonHecht: They told us that Bob's power is to turn stuff into gold in the first episode with him.
Oh, right. I'd forgotten.
quote:Originally posted by JonHecht: Well enough to defeat Takezo, at least.
Well enough to defeat Adam. Adam wasn't really Takezo Kensei. He used the name for a short time, but the stories about Kensei were half about Hiro and half paradoxical stories that Hiro heard as a kid and brought back into the past to be told over again.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
quote:Originally posted by ricree101: Honestly, I'm starting to really hope that the last painting comes true sooner rather than later. Mr Bennet's complete reluctance to communicate has just crossed into the point where it's absolutely absurd. This whole thing could be cleared up if he just told Claire about the painting and explained what's going on. It's not like she hasn't been in the middle of all of this before. I can see absolutely no reason for him not to simply tell her, and I'm starting to think that the show will be better with him gone.
Honestly, I can't see any reason why Mr. Bennett would confide anything to his daughter. I just don't see your point at all. He's always been shady, underhanded, secretive, and has always tried to keep his daughter out of his business. Why would that change now?
I do hope Mr. Bennett dies, though. I don't like him. He's not a nice person.
I loved this episode, though!
1. Peter got his memory back! (And is that his mom's power? Restoring memories?)
2. He left the Irish chick in the hell future. Oops.
3. Nikki wasn't annoying. In fact, she actually worked in this episode.
4. Matt was awesome.
5. Twins weren't in it.
6. Hiro's back!!!!!!
7. Oops...Adam lived.
So, my theory on this disease is that using Claire to try to cure it is the WRONG move. She regenerates, she doesn't create antibodies. This suggests to me that she won't die, but will become some kind of super-carrier for the virus.
Posted by scholar (Member # 9232) on :
I think the twins are the solution. She creates diseases, he cures them.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by scholar: How do we know that Adam is going to be the bad guy?
He has absolutely no moral sense whatsoever, and a bad temper. And Bob said that he started thinking of himself as a god and was talking about plagues and stuff. And then he gets out of jail, and two weeks (months?) later, people start getting killed. How is that not the makings of a classic bad guy?
I've changed my mind about Darth Hoodie. Definitely Adam.
Posted by Glenn Arnold (Member # 3192) on :
Question:
Did any of Isaac's paintings fail to come true? Peter did fall and suffer injuries that looked like death. A painting is a snapshot, so if the moment in the painting is the moment before he started regenerating, then the painting prophesy was fulfilled, not changed. Same thing for Claire. She was on the steps that night, but the shadow was either Peter's or Noah's, I can't remember.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
New York didn't get nuked.
Posted by Mucus (Member # 9735) on :
Yet
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
I knew that Kensai would be a recurring character as soon as his 'gift' was revealed. I didn't guess he would be a primary character until they revealed this 'Adam' behind the scenes as the primary mover and shaker. The puppeteering immortal is not an uncommon theme in comics, after all.
quote:They had Kensai locked up for years. What can they possibly get from Claire that they couldn't have gotten from him during that time?
Perhaps he has more than one ability. It wouldn't be the first time, after all. His former colleagues might even have thought his ability was simply not dying or getting sick, not necessarily Wolverine style healing.
quote:Mr Bennet's complete reluctance to communicate has just crossed into the point where it's absolutely absurd.
I don't know, Claire has (in the second season) proven herself entirely self-centered, foolish, and completely unreliable. That's not the most frustrating thing about the Bennet storyline, though: it's that this Season 2 Stupid Claire is quite different from Season 1 Scared-but-Capable Claire.
Now? The little blonde bimbo only starts getting suspicious of her stalkerish boyfriend when he appears unannounced at her family-on-the-run's home. She calms down, though, when he "shows her something": that being the idiotic prank they pulled has just put her and her family back in danger.
See, Nakamura Hiro's blunders I don't mind: that's his character and it has been from the start. Idealistic, well-meaning, pretty nerdy, and prone to impulsiveness on occasion. So when he does something stupid such as screwing up major events in Japanese history, well, you kind of expect it. When Claire does it? Well, you just have to think, "Hm, did her new team of writers not get the complete biography on her when they started, or what?"
quote:No twins or Sylar.
I liked that part! Of course, I'd like it more if they were included and they did something with them, but absence is better than the past few weeks.
And why hasn't anyone used Molly to track him down, again? And say, why wasn't he tagged like the others?
quote:I really really liked Matt in this episode. He's such a good guy with amazing potential that he's actually realizing in a believable manner.
I agree, he has always been one of my favorites. Nathan, too. Honestly I'm less interested in Peter, since he's just too powerful. He's Superman, and that's boring.
quote:I do hope Mr. Bennett dies, though. I don't like him. He's not a nice person.
Oh, Noah is definitely not a nice person. That's why he's interesting! The ones who are interesting to me are the guys who are idealists but screw up and aren't shining examples of awesomeness, such as Hiro. Or guys who live in the real world and try to do the best they can, such as Nathan and currently Noah.
Posted by ricree101 (Member # 7749) on :
quote:Originally posted by Glenn Arnold: Question:
Did any of Isaac's paintings fail to come true? ... Same thing for Claire. She was on the steps that night, but the shadow was either Peter's or Noah's, I can't remember.
Didn't one of the paintings show her with her head cut open?
Posted by Glenn Arnold (Member # 3192) on :
quote:Didn't one of the paintings show her with her head cut open?
Didn't Sylar cut Claire's obnoxious cheerleader ex-friends head open?
As for nuking New York, it did appear that Peter "blew up," just at high altitude so no damage was done. I'm just wondering if the rules of the paintings is that they have to come true, just not in the way we expect them to.
Posted by 0Megabyte (Member # 8624) on :
Yeah, they do seem to happen, but not the expected way.
When Peter saved the cheerleader to save the world last season, for example, all the pictures came true, every single one.
Just... yes. Not the way we expected. It was a good episode!
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Originally posted by Glenn Arnold: Did any of Isaac's paintings fail to come true?
I think the fact that New York didn't get nuked in the sequence portrayed in the painting should be enough to quell the speculation that the stuff in the paintings can't be changed. Claire wasn't killed, Peter didn't die and even if you can rationalize your way out of those, the New York thing is pretty unarguable.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:As for nuking New York, it did appear that Peter "blew up," just at high altitude so no damage was done. I'm just wondering if the rules of the paintings is that they have to come true, just not in the way we expect them to.
The huge painting on the floor of Isaac's studio showed New York leveled by the bomb. That image never happened!! What's more we've seen Hiro transport to a future that will never happen because New York wasn't leveled by the bomb.
Give it up. The major central painting showing New York being leveled didn't come true so not all paintings happen. Period.
Posted by Mucus (Member # 9735) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Rabbit: Give it up. The major central painting showing New York being leveled didn't come true ...
Yet Posted by DevilDreamt (Member # 10242) on :
I'm sad that Micah and the girl who can mimic movements weren't in this episode, but I'm sure they'll appear again.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Mimic girl I find very interesting, and I think I see her as an urban hero for NOLA. Who wants to guess how many episode it'll take for her to make herself some sort of costume (probably after watching some sort of sewing show)?
Micah I could do without.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
The future prtelled in the paintings can be prevented, its like in a Christmas Carol, the visions showed were only what the future may be not what is absolutely is.
In Stargate SG-1 the only way to accurately predict the future is to know the relative volicities and positions of every subatomic particle in the universe, blown out of the water by the Uncertainty Principle because the more we try to predict it the more we make it harder to determine.
The pictures are only a rough guideline, a possible future like quantum suicide.
Posted by 0Megabyte (Member # 8624) on :
Actually, all the paintings the guy painted came true, and all the paintings Sylar made came true.
But they occured in different timelines.
Hiro got the comic book from the future, the one that Isaac had made and which was distributed later. It patently did not occur during that timeline, but it occured when Hiro changed the timeline.
And if you noticed, Sylar painted himself in the place of President. Which is what ended up happening.
In the sort of quantum sense that time travel tends to ellicit, both sets of prophecies occured, and each were equally valid. But due to the duelling oracles painting contradictory predictions, time... split. Sylar's future came to pass in one timeline, Isaac's in another.
Or something. But that's the impression I got, as soon as I saw Sylar painting the future seen in Hiro's dark future.
Posted by 0Megabyte (Member # 8624) on :
Also:
five bucks says the cute lightning bug is Adam's daughter.
Posted by DevilDreamt (Member # 10242) on :
It's hard for me to say this, but in defense of West, he had no idea how serious the situation was. It's very likely that he thought he could win over Claire's father, and i mean, after meeting Claire's mother, well, she certainly didn't help anything, being as nice as she is.
That said, I feel Claire has made a lot of mistakes, and I don't feel she's been written in a realistic way, or even a way that holds true to her character from last season.
Her previous almost love interest was much wiser, and much more likable. After some searching, I have discovered that his name is Zach. Zach would not not like West or West's way of thinking and handling problems. Zach was calmer and actually understood what it meant to be a social outcast, and he was fine with being one, and Claire was becoming a strong enough person that she could handle it as well. That last sentence is important. The influence that Zach had on her, the strength he had given her and the understanding she gained from being his friend has completely vanished this season.
It's strange to me, that Claire should develop feelings for two people who are so different. Zach was always looking out for Claire and genuinely trying to help her, and West seems selfish. I don't think West respects Claire either, as evidenced by spying on her.
It's also very strange to me that, seeing as how Zach meant a lot to her, she would never wonder, "What would Zach say about this?"
*sigh* I just wish her actions were, you know, believable and fit with her character from last season.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
That's a pretty good bet. She certainly could have been raised by Adam's morality.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
quote:It's hard for me to say this, but in defense of West, he had no idea how serious the situation was. It's very likely that he thought he could win over Claire's father, and i mean, after meeting Claire's mother, well, she certainly didn't help anything, being as nice as she is.
That's a pretty bad defense, IMO. He's only known her for a very short time. They're in the initial stages of their relationship, and she asks him to do one thing that's clearly very important to her. Not only does he not do as she asked, he doesn't do it in the worst way possible: popping over uninvited early in the morning! Short of introducing himself to Claire's parents at the stroke of midnight, it's difficult to imagine more awkward methods.
quote:That said, I feel Claire has made a lot of mistakes, and I don't feel she's been written in a realistic way, or even a way that holds true to her character from last season.
It's that second part that is most frustrating. Perhaps it will be explained next episode. Creative use of the Haitian might explain things.
quote:I don't think West respects Claire either, as evidenced by spying on her.
This is one of the things that induces eye-rolling with me. Now, I can understand an average girl in high school maybe not quite recognizing some creepy-guy signs, but Claire is a fugitive on the run from people who'd love to strap her down to a table and cut on her for the rest of her life, and that's the good alternative. Why isn't she more wary of people she doesn't already trust?
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
Wasn't Zach gay? I thought he was the former-friend-recognized instead of the potential-love-interest character.
No bet on the Elle-as-Adam's-daughter theory. Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
I think West is immature, but so is Claire. I have a feeling that both will be doing some growing up soon -- especially West. Sooner or later he's going to have to think things through and realize that THEY didn't come after HIM, it was the other way around.
And I still like him, despite the fact that he's a 16-year-old boy, or maybe because of it. He's one of the more realistic characters in the show.
And I think lightening girl is Bob's daughter.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by Carrie: Wasn't Zach gay? I thought he was the former-friend-recognized instead of the potential-love-interest character.
No bet on the Elle-as-Adam's-daughter theory.
It was my understanding that Zach was gay, he said something along the lines of, "I'm not afraid of who I am, neither should you."
West is not that much of a stalker, if you had that kind of ability and suddenly you came across somebody who also had a strange ability, you'd breach a few standard protocols in the interest getting to know that person.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
quote:West is not that much of a stalker, if you had that kind of ability and suddenly you came across somebody who also had a strange ability, you'd breach a few standard protocols in the interest getting to know that person.
You do remember how he found out about Claire's abilities, right? He used his flight to spy on her from a window (or maybe he didn't: anyway, he was spying on her) outside a window, and saw her try her little toe experiment.
As for Zach, that's not much to go on him being homosexual, but it's a possibility. I think I remember him being pretty awkward about helping her in a strictly friendly way, though, that led me to think he had a non-platonic thing for her.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: It was my understanding that Zach was gay, he said something along the lines of, "I'm not afraid of who I am, neither should you."
They had intended to make Zach gay. Hence that line. But the actor's agent made them change it, because he's going to be playing John Connor in "The Sarah Connor Chronicles", and they thought it would be bad to associate him with being gay.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
Interesting. I'm not sure whether or not it would've been better or worse if he were gay, actually. There are many dramatic tension possibilities if he were gay. But as it turns out, this once-central figure in Claire's life is now a never-was in season 2.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
quote:Originally posted by Rakeesh:
quote:West is not that much of a stalker, if you had that kind of ability and suddenly you came across somebody who also had a strange ability, you'd breach a few standard protocols in the interest getting to know that person.
You do remember how he found out about Claire's abilities, right? He used his flight to spy on her from a window (or maybe he didn't: anyway, he was spying on her) outside a window, and saw her try her little toe experiment.
That confirmed it for him, but he suspected her from the moment she ran out in front of his car so I'd say no -- that's not how he found out.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
quote:That confirmed it for him, but he suspected her from the moment she ran out in front of his car so I'd say no -- that's not how he found out.
Huh? That's when he noticed her, but I'm thinking back and not remembering anything about that that would give him a clue she had superhuman abilities. Unless he suspects everyone he nearly runs over...
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
quote:Originally posted by Rakeesh:
quote:That confirmed it for him, but he suspected her from the moment she ran out in front of his car so I'd say no -- that's not how he found out.
Huh? That's when he noticed her, but I'm thinking back and not remembering anything about that that would give him a clue she had superhuman abilities. Unless he suspects everyone he nearly runs over...
You might want to rewatch the first episode. The questions he asked her, about being special and about hiding who she wsa, clearly indicated to me that he knew or at least suspected.
Posted by erosomniac (Member # 6834) on :
It looks like he might get rid of West. Sweet.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
Well, I'm glad the writer has realized his mistakes but I guess the thing that still strikes me is that season 1 wasn't any better. I mean, yeah, once the characters were established and their powers discovered, it was a mistake to go back to a slow build of intrigue. But I didn't think the slow buildup worked last year, either.
He also notes that new characters should be introduced through the old characters, which I completely agree with, but I note that last year we also had far-flung characters that didn't seem to fit together.
True, last season he brought in the bigger story earlier, and he should have done it this year, but the bigger story failed last year because it took too long for the characters to feel connected to it and to one another. I never felt as if Nikki was connected to it, even in the climax. She just happened to be there.
And I still don't have a problem with West. But I may be in a minority on that one, so I suppose I couldn't blame the writers for catering to their audience. I do hope they don't give up on romance entirely just because they need more practice. It brings a human element in that can be lacking in stories like this if you're not careful.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
quote:You might want to rewatch the first episode. The questions he asked her, about being special and about hiding who she wsa, clearly indicated to me that he knew or at least suspected.
It seems much more likely that those were lines he was using on the new, attractive girl sitting next to him, and that she became more appealing as he realized that she was hiding something.
It's a major stretch to imagine that because he nearly ran her over in the school parking lot that he thought, "Hey, I wonder if she has super powers...I'll start testing her and then spy on her!"
He's still a sleaze, I'm afraid, and he and Claire are behaving with staggering stupidity. I wouldn't remind the romance if they hadn't dropped Claire's IQ into the double digits from season one to do it.
quote:It brings a human element in that can be lacking in stories like this if you're not careful.
Season 1 had romance involved without being surprisingly dumb.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
quote:It brings a human element in that can be lacking in stories like this if you're not careful.
Season 1 had romance involved without being surprisingly dumb.
I must have missed that. The only romance I can remember is the three-way between Peter, Isaac, and the chick that died. I never really liked that one.
Ohhh...the one with Hiro and the waitress was nice...tragic, but nice.
Am I missing one?
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
I was thinking of Hiro and...Charlie, I think her name was. And between Matt and his wife, though that ended badly. And then there was Isaac, Peter, and...dangit, what was her name, she died as well.
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
Simone. Posted by Glenn Arnold (Member # 3192) on :
If West is so proud of his flying ability, why was he driving an SUV?
Add me to the "west is a creepy stalker" crowd. He seems to have a pathological need to do whatever Claire tells him not to do. And I liked Zach too.
quote:Give it up. The major central painting showing New York being leveled didn't come true so not all paintings happen. Period.
I'm not making predictions, I'm asking questions. What are the rules of the paintings? 0Megabyte gave some suggestions. Also, your comment "not all paintings happen" strikes me as important. Are there any paintings that aren't relevent? Did Isaac ever paint the future of someone who is not interacting with one of the "heroes?" Did Isaac paint anything where the entire situation was averted before the entire painting became relevent? (or Peter)
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I think of all the new characters, Monica comes off as the most likeable and the coolest. I think the twins and West aren't going to make it past the end of this half season.
Here's my question: When is the last time you saw a show's leader writer and producer step up and publicly berate himself and critique his own show? I think that's pretty damned cool. And he seems to have hit the nail on the head from the complaints that I've heard.
Posted by 0Megabyte (Member # 8624) on :
Well, I for one liked the Hiro-in-Japan storyline, though I know what he means. Two or three episodes had virtually no Hiro-in-Japan content, and he got the reason perfectly right.
But they could have always just, had the adventures last a little longer, the friendship grow a bit more, instead of skipping them all for a couple episodes.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
Am I the only one who doesn't find Monica all that interesting? Sure, her power is interesting, but I don't think she is.
Posted by DevilDreamt (Member # 10242) on :
I really liked the idea behind Hiro's story arch this season, but the execution was lacking. I liked the idea of telling it more as a fairytale, but they really only went halfway with it.
Having Hiro write the story to Ando and put it in the sword was very clever, and a good story telling device, IMO. Using that more could have helped to add to the fairytale feel. I would have preferred it if the entire story had taken place through Ando reading scrolls.
I'm not clear as to what abilities Adam has. When Bob is telling Nathan about Adam, he shows him the "snow Falls on Miami" article, and says that it could have just as easily been a tsunami, hinting pretty strongly at someone who can control the weather.
Yet from what we've seen, he can only regenerate. Claude (the invisible man) called Peter an empath, and implied that he had met empaths in the past. Perhaps Adam is also an empath.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn: Here's my question: When is the last time you saw a show's leader writer and producer step up and publicly berate himself and critique his own show? I think that's pretty damned cool. And he seems to have hit the nail on the head from the complaints that I've heard.
It seems like he really cares. Like he's geek enough himself to get what the problem is.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by DevilDreamt: I'm not clear as to what abilities Adam has. When Bob is telling Nathan about Adam, he shows him the "snow Falls on Miami" article, and says that it could have just as easily been a tsunami, hinting pretty strongly at someone who can control the weather.
Yet from what we've seen, he can only regenerate. Claude (the invisible man) called Peter an empath, and implied that he had met empaths in the past. Perhaps Adam is also an empath.
The weather thing only means that someone in their group might have weather control powers, or psycho/telekenesis. I vote for Angela or Kaito, since we don't know what their powers are, and I think we've seen everyone else in the group picture.
Speaking of which, does anyone know if there's a screen capture up of the group photo? I'd like to take another look at it.
If Adam was an empath, he might have figured out that Hiro was in love with his princess a bit earlier.
Posted by Glenn Arnold (Member # 3192) on :
Another off the wall thought:
"Adam" is the first known mutant, from some 400 years ago. Perhaps all the "heroes" are his progeny (including Hiro). That would be ironic^2.
And who was his Eve?
Posted by Glenn Arnold (Member # 3192) on :
quote:Claude (the invisible man) called Peter an empath, and implied that he had met empaths in the past.
Claude Rains?
I was pretty sure the empath Claude was referring to was Matt.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
Matt Parkman? I think you misunderstand what "empath" means in this context. It refers to people like Peter who can absorb others' abilities.
Posted by Glenn Arnold (Member # 3192) on :
The reason that he implied that Peter had met empaths (Matt) in the past was because THAT implied that Peter could now read minds. Claude was trying to teach Peter how to use the powers that he had absorbed, when the person he had absorbed it from was no longer present.
Posted by Mucus (Member # 9735) on :
"No, Hiro ... I am your (great^15)grandfather!"
Posted by DevilDreamt (Member # 10242) on :
Hmm... Claude gave powers nicknames. He called Claire's mom a fire-bug, and when Peter told him that he can do what other's can, Claude said "Oh great, you're an empath!"
He was obviously familiar with how Peter's power works, so the company must have knowledge of people like Peter, and with Claude's in depth knowledge I think it follows that he's met someone with Peter's ability before. For example, knowing that Peter's power first manifests itself as a reflex, and knowing that he can learn to control it. I don't think Claude was guessing wildly about the nature of Peter's power, he knew, most likely from first hand experience with someone like Peter, how it worked.
Lisa, I think you're right about what Bob said, it is likely that someone else on the team can control the weather. It just seemed odd to me that when Nathan asks "Who is Adam?" Bob responds with, "Let me show you this. Snow Falls in Miami." As if that explained something about Adam. In the general sense, I guess it did say that Adam is like a force of nature that's going to alter the world... still, it strikes me as an odd response to the question.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jon Boy: Am I the only one who doesn't find Monica all that interesting? Sure, her power is interesting, but I don't think she is.
I like her. A motivated teenager who wants to go as far in the world no matter what obstacles get in her way appeals to me. The fact she is African American is refreshing as well, I'm sick of the stereotype that African Americans are either felons, athletes, have lower incomes, or bums.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jon Boy: Am I the only one who doesn't find Monica all that interesting? Sure, her power is interesting, but I don't think she is.
I completely agree with you, but I think she has potential. I hope they develop her a bit more.
Posted by theCrowsWife (Member # 8302) on :
quote:Originally posted by Glenn Arnold: Another off the wall thought:
"Adam" is the first known mutant, from some 400 years ago. Perhaps all the "heroes" are his progeny (including Hiro). That would be ironic^2.
And who was his Eve?
This is my husband's theory. I think it would be too pat if it turned out to be correct.
--Mel
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
quote:Originally posted by Glenn Arnold: The reason that he implied that Peter had met empaths (Matt) in the past was because THAT implied that Peter could now read minds.
I don't follow you. I believe Claude made it clear that he, not Peter, had known at least one empath before. Why do you think Matt is an empath too? All we've ever seen him do is telepathy and now his dad's nightmare-world stuff, but his dad made it clear that it was just another dimension of the telepathy.
Posted by Glenn Arnold (Member # 3192) on :
quote:Why do you think Matt is an empath too?
Because Matt is an empath.
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
What was Petrelli Senior's power? Did he have one? I can't remember if this was ever actually stated.
Posted by Elmer's Glue (Member # 9313) on :
I hate to break it to you Glenn, but you don't know what empath means.
Posted by Glenn Arnold (Member # 3192) on :
An empath is a mind reader. Usually refers to someone who reads someone's feelings rather than thoughts, but Matt has done both. "I actually heard him pull the trigger in my head."
More generally the term empath refers to anyone who is psychic. Matt is an empath. Especially nnow that we are learning that his powers have greater extents.
It certainly doesn't mean someone that can absorb someone else's supernatural powers.
Posted by Elmer's Glue (Member # 9313) on :
You are thinking of Telepathy, not empathy. Telepath Empath Posted by Glenn Arnold (Member # 3192) on :
Then Heroes invented a new meaning for the word. Both Deanna Troi and Dr. Xavier have been called "empaths."
Peter's power was officially called Empathic Mimicry.
Posted by Glenn Arnold (Member # 3192) on :
Yeah I saw the link. Fine, I was wrong, but the word "empath" existed before Heroes, and Matt meets that definition.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
I know that Troi was called an empath because she could only sense emotions, not full thoughts, which would have made her a telepath. Maybe that usage is peculiar to Star Trek, though. I'd never heard Charles Xavier referred to as an empath, but I never read the comics.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I guessed awhile ago that Adam/Kensei was either the first, or of the first generation of heroes, and that he was Kristen Bell's father, but now I'm doubting that he is the father.
Bob said that they lost track of Peter in Cork. And since she was in Cork, I would assume that she was the one tracking him, who lost track of him when he and Irish girl went to Montreal. So that leads me to believe that she's Bob's daughter, except that just looks...weird. Plus she's casually evil, which sort of reminds me of Adam's moral ambiguity. So I'm really split on that one.
But I think the eclipse is when it all started. Either Adam was the first, or Adam was of the first group. Clearly he hadn't ever had the power before the eclipse, so that was the starting point, but it might be strange if he was the only one effected by it.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
Or it could be that he had never been stabbed before the eclipse.
Posted by Elmer's Glue (Member # 9313) on :
I was assuming/hoping the eclipse doesn't really have to do with anything. It's just to look good for the intro.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
So you're saying before the eclipse, living the sort of life he has lived, he'd never had ANY SORT OF INJURY EVER?
The guy works with a katana in feudal Japan, and has done who knows what before that. But Claire, a high school girl living in 21st century Texas managed to at least get as sliver or minor cut and noticed it.
I find it literally impossible to believe that he'd never had any sort of cut or injury in his entire life until THAT moment. It's beyond my suspension of disbelief.
Posted by Elmer's Glue (Member # 9313) on :
His powers could have not manifested until then. Nathan didn't fly until we saw it.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt now and watch through to the current episode.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
quote:Originally posted by Elmer's Glue: His powers could have not manifested until then. Nathan didn't fly until we saw it.
I don't recall that being true. In fact, I got the feeling he had flown before, and we only saw it becaue he did it to save Peter.
Posted by erosomniac (Member # 6834) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn:
quote:Originally posted by Elmer's Glue: His powers could have not manifested until then. Nathan didn't fly until we saw it.
I don't recall that being true. In fact, I got the feeling he had flown before, and we only saw it becaue he did it to save Peter.
The earliest evidence we have of Nathan ever flying is in the car accident. While we were never shown any absolute evidence one way or the other, the level of control he demonstrates over his ability to fly in the car crash compared to when he flees Linderman's thugs suggests that the rapid development of his powers is due to either their newness or an increasing need.
Both reasons are pretty defensible, honestly.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I still don't buy that Adam's powers just happened to manifest themselves randomly then. Claire, who has the same power, had her powers manifest a decade or more earlier, depending on how old Adam is.
I suspect we'll get that answer one way or another eventually, maybe even soon, but that's my guess.
Posted by Elmer's Glue (Member # 9313) on :
They didn't manifest right when he was stabbed. They could have manifested much earlier, he just hadn't seen them because he hadn't been injured in a while.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Maybe if the character was Niles Crane from "Frasier" I'd believe he'd never been injured before, or not even in the past couple years, but a samurai? Not believable.
Posted by AvidReader (Member # 6007) on :
Wait now. Samurai who pays someone else to stand in front with a sword while he picks off his opponents from a tree. He might well not have been injured since settling on his tactic.
Posted by sylvrdragon (Member # 3332) on :
Noah is starting to get boring IMO. I think he made a much better villain than he does a good guy (if you can call him that). He just doesn't have the ability to take a step back and see things from afar. He is too convinced that his way is the best way and I honestly can't wait till painting 8 of 8 takes place.
At the moment, I'm siding with the company as the "Good" side, despite them being morally "Grey" as Mohinder put it. However, I hope they never get a hold of Claire. Alleviating her fear of the company could very easily turn her evil. I mean, other than that, she has NOTHING to fear, No real consequences, no need for accountability, especially when she inevitably breaks off from her family and that stalker West.
Hiro, on the other hand, is getting MORE interesting by the episode. As he continues to develop and refine his power, he is starting to USE it more. I remember thinking in the first season after he got the sword "Why the hell doesn't he just stop time whenever he suspects any amount of danger?". He literally has all the time in the world. He doesn't need to be especially quick-witted, he just needs to make his default reaction to stop time so he can asses the situation.
I'm just glad he has stopped being paranoid about the "Space-time continuum". It was really annoying that he kept making decisions based on a danger that he didn't even know for sure EXISTED. I thought at first that Future-Hiro had experienced something that PROVED that using his power could have negative consequences (When he told Peter on the subway that he was "Risking a rift" by coming back), but it was never founded that I can tell. I mean hell... Hiro and Future-Hiro even talked face to face and nothing came of it. Future-Hiro made it sound as though a Rift were cataclysmic or something, but how could he know if he had never experienced one, and how could he be alive to know about it if he HAD experienced one? Either a Rift isn't as bad as he made it out to be, or it was another unfounded paranoid worry.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
Empathy involves the sensing of emotions. It has a real-world application because many people who have a certain social sensitivity are considered empathic in that they understand the needs and feelings of others. In a science fiction or fantasy setting, it is taken further -- allowing people to sense emotions through a sort of sixth sense, even if they were hidden. It has also been taken to the next level to include the ability to manipulate emotions in others and/or the ability to use the magical gifts of others. This latter is often explained by suggesting that the powers are, in part, tied to emotion.
There is a lot of precedent for this view of emotions. Beginning with Deanna Troi on Star Trek, who was NOT able to read minds unless it was with her mother, who was a full telepath. I often felt her gift was underused and underappreciated.
Telepathy, on the other hand, involves actually reading thoughts out of a person's mind. Often, telepaths are also empathic.
In terms of Matt Parkman, I would say that his new abilities to manipulate the fears and nightmares of others verges on being empathic. I would not say he is an empath. I think that science fiction precedent allows that power to fall under the umbrella of telepath, but when he manipulates fears and emotions that is an empathic gift.
Posted by SC Carver (Member # 8173) on :
Good news: Basically he says they dropped the ball this season and are going to fix it. The next few episodes are supposed to be good.
He adimts: it started too slow, the new characters should have tied in to the main story somehow, the Clair love story sucked, Hiro was in Japan too long.
Bad News: Writers strike could make the Dec. 3 episode the season final.
Sorry if someone already posted this. I haven't read the entire thread.
Posted by erosomniac (Member # 6834) on :
quote:Hiro and Future-Hiro even talked face to face and nothing came of it. Future-Hiro made it sound as though a Rift were cataclysmic or something, but how could he know if he had never experienced one, and how could he be alive to know about it if he HAD experienced one? Either a Rift isn't as bad as he made it out to be, or it was another unfounded paranoid worry.
Why do you assume that the danger of a rift is physical? I hear the word "rift" in this context and I think "permanent way between times/spaces/dimensions," which could very easily be cataclysmic, were anyone to find out about it.
A rift could also be a tear in space-time which, while not immediately physically dangerous, could have an exponential rate of expansion, ultimately becoming extremely dangerous.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
And by very dangerous, you mean destroy the universe.
"In terms of Matt Parkman, I would say that his new abilities to manipulate the fears and nightmares of others verges on being empathic. I would not say he is an empath. I think that science fiction precedent allows that power to fall under the umbrella of telepath, but when he manipulates fears and emotions that is an empathic gift."
Yep, Xavier is the prime example. Perhaps Parkman will eventually reach Xavier-like strength?
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn: So you're saying before the eclipse, living the sort of life he has lived, he'd never had ANY SORT OF INJURY EVER?
He's a coward.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by erosomniac:
quote:Hiro and Future-Hiro even talked face to face and nothing came of it. Future-Hiro made it sound as though a Rift were cataclysmic or something, but how could he know if he had never experienced one, and how could he be alive to know about it if he HAD experienced one? Either a Rift isn't as bad as he made it out to be, or it was another unfounded paranoid worry.
Why do you assume that the danger of a rift is physical? I hear the word "rift" in this context and I think "permanent way between times/spaces/dimensions," which could very easily be cataclysmic, were anyone to find out about it.
A rift could also be a tear in space-time which, while not immediately physically dangerous, could have an exponential rate of expansion, ultimately becoming extremely dangerous.
Hiro is a geek. All he really knows about his powers is what he assumes based on his years of geekery. Fooling around with time can cause a rift in the space-time continuum. Why? Because everyone knows it can. Everyone who reads science fiction and comic books, anyway.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
And yet it somehow never dawned on him that the Kensei he heard about in stories was actually him. Yaeko had to figure that one out.
Posted by erosomniac (Member # 6834) on :
Japanese humility stereotype ftw?
Posted by Glenn Arnold (Member # 3192) on :
quote:I think that science fiction precedent allows that power to fall under the umbrella of telepath, but when he manipulates fears and emotions that is an empathic gift.
Given that neither empathic nor telepathic gifts exist at all in the real world, then writers can make them mean whatever they want them to, which is why I changed my tune so suddenly when I saw that Kring has defined Peter as a "empathic mimic." I still think Claude used the wrong term when he was telling Peter about his power, Peter is a mimic, and he should have said so. The empathic part is only significant in that it separates Peter's mimicry from Sylar's.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
quote:Originally posted by Glenn Arnold:
quote:I think that science fiction precedent allows that power to fall under the umbrella of telepath, but when he manipulates fears and emotions that is an empathic gift.
Given that neither empathic nor telepathic gifts exist at all in the real world, then writers can make them mean whatever they want them to, which is why I changed my tune so suddenly when I saw that Kring has defined Peter as a "empathic mimic." I still think Claude used the wrong term when he was telling Peter about his power, Peter is a mimic, and he should have said so. The empathic part is only significant in that it separates Peter's mimicry from Sylar's.
Actually, the empathic part was more significant last season when Peter had to actually think about and make an emotional connection with the person he was mimicking before he could use their power. This season, his power was completely cheapened and even contradicted because I don't think he should have been able to use anyone's power if he didn't remember them. It's not consistent with how he discovered his powers last season.
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
quote:Actually, the empathic part was more significant last season when Peter had to actually think about and make an emotional connection with the person he was mimicking before he could use their power.
He didn't seem to need to do this near the end of last season. He started glowing around Ted, just by being in the vicinity.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
quote:Originally posted by Christine: Actually, the empathic part was more significant last season when Peter had to actually think about and make an emotional connection with the person he was mimicking before he could use their power.
I thought that was just the trick he used to unlock his ability to use the powers whenever he wanted. Afterwards he could seemingly use them all at will.
Posted by Glenn Arnold (Member # 3192) on :
quote:It's not consistent with how he discovered his powers last season.
Yeah, I've been looking into the whole thing and it's changing pretty dramatically. I didn't follow the show last year, but it seemed that Peter's original power was to predict the future through dreams. That's definitely more along the lines of an empath. Except that the future he was predicting limited to was the progression of his own ability to mimic powers.
The whole dream thing just dropped off the map, which is a shame, I think. Peter is too powerful and needs to be restrained somehow. If they'd kept it that he didn't absorb powers until he dreamed about it, it might have made the story work better. The loss of memory thing could have worked too, if he lost the powers because he couldn't remember them. In the meantime, Sylar has lost his power, and we have no idea why.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Glenn - We don't have NO idea why. I think it's because of the Shanti virus.
quote:Originally posted by Lisa:
quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn: So you're saying before the eclipse, living the sort of life he has lived, he'd never had ANY SORT OF INJURY EVER?
He's a coward.
What, he never fell out of that tree he hides in? I know he went from hiding in trees to being up front and brave in a short span of time, but I don't believe that he magically just learned how to use that sword, he must have trained with it before hand, and I can't believe that in all that time he never got even a nick or small cut, he's a drunk, he must have gotten into a bar fight or had a disgruntled customer, he must have at least gotten a BRUISE at some point. Even cowards get injured, especially heavily armed ones living in feudal Japan.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
I don't see why that couldn't have been the first time his power manifested itself. Just because Claire survived a fire as a baby doesn't mean that all powers are apparent at birth. In fact, she seems to be the exception to the rule, since most people were just discovering their powers and wondering what was going on in the first season.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn: Glenn - We don't have NO idea why. I think it's because of the Shanti virus.
quote:Originally posted by Lisa:
quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn: So you're saying before the eclipse, living the sort of life he has lived, he'd never had ANY SORT OF INJURY EVER?
He's a coward.
What, he never fell out of that tree he hides in? I know he went from hiding in trees to being up front and brave in a short span of time, but I don't believe that he magically just learned how to use that sword, he must have trained with it before hand, and I can't believe that in all that time he never got even a nick or small cut, he's a drunk, he must have gotten into a bar fight or had a disgruntled customer, he must have at least gotten a BRUISE at some point. Even cowards get injured, especially heavily armed ones living in feudal Japan.
Not that I am an expert in Feudal Japanese sociology, but it is quite rare for Japanese folks to get into fist fights. I would think the fact Adam is a foreigner would also make many Japanese folks hesistant to physically harm him, for various reasons.
Look maybe his ability kicked in the second before the arrows hit him, who knows? Either way there is no set time for the abilities to kick in. I am sure the muscle mimic has seen tons of television, but she still didn't do anything she'd seen on television until that tomato.
Posted by Mucus (Member # 9735) on :
The other thing that we know is that the abilities have a genetic component. At least, enough of a component to track them through whatever bizarre version of the Human Genome Project that exists in the Heroes world (since I could not even begin to reconcile that with our version). A genetic ability that can be triggered via eclipse would be pretty odd. A genetic ability that manifests either at birth or at (seemingly) random times during development would be more likely.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
quote:A genetic ability that can be triggered via eclipse would be pretty odd.
In a world where people can fly and shoot electricity from their hands, "odd" has a special meaning.
Posted by Mucus (Member # 9735) on :
*shrug* Then you figure out a plausible way in which evolution could select not only for abilities, but abilities that are triggered by eclipses (which are fairly rare) and maybe I'll be convinced Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mucus: *shrug* Then you figure out a plausible way in which evolution could select not only for abilities, but abilities that are triggered by eclipses (which are fairly rare) and maybe I'll be convinced
Magic.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jon Boy: And yet it somehow never dawned on him that the Kensei he heard about in stories was actually him. Yaeko had to figure that one out.
I think he was in denial. A geek like Hiro should have twigged to that immediately. But it was so important to him that his hero be someone he could look up to. If he's Kensei, he's got no role model any more.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
"What, he never fell out of that tree he hides in? I know he went from hiding in trees to being up front and brave in a short span of time, but I don't believe that he magically just learned how to use that sword, he must have trained with it before hand, and I can't believe that in all that time he never got even a nick or small cut, he's a drunk, he must have gotten into a bar fight or had a disgruntled customer, he must have at least gotten a BRUISE at some point. Even cowards get injured, especially heavily armed ones living in feudal Japan."
I suspect that it would have healed so quickly that he didn't notice he was ever injured, and he just figured he was lucky.
Posted by Glenn Arnold (Member # 3192) on :
quote:Glenn - We don't have NO idea why. I think it's because of the Shanti virus.
True.
Posted by cmc (Member # 9549) on :
Random comment: It's a little off putting when your name suddenly finds a way into (pretty much) the only television show you try to watch every week.
Posted by ricree101 (Member # 7749) on :
quote:Originally posted by Glenn Arnold: I didn't follow the show last year, but it seemed that Peter's original power was to predict the future through dreams. That's definitely more along the lines of an empath. Except that the future he was predicting limited to was the progression of his own ability to mimic powers.
I'm pretty sure that his power has been mimicry all along, and that the dream thing came from someone else. My guess is that they came from Charles Deveaux, since he was able to see Peter and talk to him during that dream sequence towards the end of last season.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
Duh. Somehow I'd never thought of that, but it makes a lot of sense.
Posted by Glenn Arnold (Member # 3192) on :
It does. But I still wonder how he managed to talk to him after he was dead.
Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
quote:Just because Claire survived a fire as a baby
Actually, Claire survived because her father (HRG, not Nathan) removed her from the burning building. At least, that's what happened in the comic book version -- he and Claude went to bag-and-tag Claire's mother, and she set the place on fire. He had to rescue Claire.
Posted by DevilDreamt (Member # 10242) on :
quote:Originally posted by Glenn Arnold: It does. But I still wonder how he managed to talk to him after he was dead.
Well, no one knows what happens after death. If he can enter into people's dreams, maybe his consciousness is just chillin' out in other people's minds even though his body is dead.
Or maybe Peter imagined it, and it wasn't true communication.
Or maybe he's an angel.
I still don't believe Sylar has the Shanti Virus. The virus has more side-effects than simple loss of powers. It makes people physically sick, and from my understanding, kills them pretty quickly. Sylar has been alive too long without powers and has yet to show other symptoms. I still maintain that brain-damage made him lose his powers.
I'm not sure when Claire's power manifested, but I recall the company saying that Noah only got to keep her until her powers manifested, at which point she would return to the company. I don't think she had her abilities at birth.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Originally posted by Shigosei:
quote:Just because Claire survived a fire as a baby
Actually, Claire survived because her father (HRG, not Nathan) removed her from the burning building. At least, that's what happened in the comic book version -- he and Claude went to bag-and-tag Claire's mother, and she set the place on fire. He had to rescue Claire.
We don't know exactly when Claire manifested her powers. We do know that she first became aware of them last season. We do know that Matt first manifested his mind reading ability the day he found Molly in hiding in the closet. We know that Ted first manifested his radioactivity as an adult. Hiro first manifested his ability in the shows premier. Nathans ability to fly seemed to appear . So we know that many peoples abilities don't manifest until they are adults. We also know that Micah and Molly, who I would estimate to be around 10, have abilities that have already manifested.
Bottom line is that peoples genetic abilities can manifest themselves in childhood or adulthood and seem to get stronger over time. Adams ability may very well have manifested only shortly before he was hit with the arrow. I wonder if the powers manifest naturally as part of the maturation process which is just a bit different in every individual or if there is some environmental stimulus that causes the abilities to manifest.
Has anyone else noticed that Adam's ability seems to be a bit different than Claire's. When Claire was shot, she collapsed and it took her sometime to recover. She had to spit out the bullet before she was fully OK. When Adam was run through with a sword, he seemed just fine even with the sword sticking straight through him.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Originally posted by Glenn Arnold: It does. But I still wonder how he managed to talk to him after he was dead.
I don't think he was talking to Charles Deveaux after he was dead. Peter had traveled back in time and was talking to him in the past.
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
Adam seems more powerful, yep.
Posted by 0Megabyte (Member # 8624) on :
"I wonder if the powers manifest naturally as part of the maturation process which is just a bit different in every individual or if there is some environmental stimulus that causes the abilities to manifest."
An environmental stimulus like, say, a lethal wound on a guy whose latent power is recovering from such a thing?
Posted by sylvrdragon (Member # 3332) on :
I think you guys are reading too much into the Adam vs Claire regeneration thing. I think they're identical in power. In Claire's case with the shooting, it was important to the story that she get out of sight of Ted before she regenerated, so they made as if it would take a while. In Adam's case getting run through, they just wanted him to have a chance at a witty one-liner (something like "I know, it's really unfair."). Besides, Adam didn't get up right away after he was shot with Arrows. It probably has more to do with the Shock of the incident than the actual injury. If they KNOW what's going to happen, then they can probably ignore the initial reflex of falling or whatever.
Edit: Oh, about the Dueveax (sp?) thing. I think his is the dream power, just like that kid in India that Mohinder and his father consulted. The interaction with Peter after his death is just another effect of the power.
What I'm REALLY wondering is what Mrs. Petrelli's, and Bob's powers are. I'm wondering if maybe they hinted at something when Peter regained his memories of her (did he get his OTHER memories back too?) after he met with her in the future.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Originally posted by 0Megabyte: An environmental stimulus like, say, a lethal wound on a guy whose latent power is recovering from such a thing?
I was speculating about something more general. Perhaps a case of the flu, exposure to a chemical, an ionic storm, a heat wave, or perhaps an solar eclipse. I think the question is relevent because so many of our Heroes first started exibiting powers about 6 months before the pilot episode. Its worth noting that there was a total solar eclipse about that time, March 29, 2006 and there was a solar eclipse in ancient Japan before Adam/Kensei began exibiting powers.
I recognize that there is no logical reason for evolution of a trait that is triggered by an eclipse, but I think that point is as moot as the point that no genetic mutation could logically cause someone to exploid like a nuclear bomb, defy gravity, read minds or stop the flow of time.
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
slvrdragon: Both claire and Peter can not recover if an object is in them. The samurai dude does it effortlessly.
Posted by EmpSquared (Member # 10890) on :
Also, Bob turns things into gold. He's "private funding" for the Company.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by cmc: Random comment: It's a little off putting when your name suddenly finds a way into (pretty much) the only television show you try to watch every week.
What's your name?
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
quote:Also, Bob turns things into gold. He's "private funding" for the Company.
I'd be very surprised if this was the limit of his power. I'd imagine all sorts of molecular transformations are within his skill. This would make his power go from underwhelming to devastatingly powerful.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
Pure speculations:
It seems that many of the powers start out relatively small and then grow into something bigger. Do you suppose that this is true with all of the powers? If so, do you think that the powers reach some plateau or just keep expanding? If Adam really has been alive for hundreds of years, how might his powers have grown over that time?
Posted by EmpSquared (Member # 10890) on :
Rabbit, I imagine it would. I mean, one of the themes is evolution, right? For evolved powers to evolve more is only fitting.
Xavier, so you're saying he has the same power as that Zane guy? The one who could liquefy things? It'd be interesting if he could change molecular composition just by touch. Very devastating indeed.
Posted by Elmer's Glue (Member # 9313) on :
I think Bob's power is just to change elements, not molecular composition. I know that other people's powers seem to evolve, but I just don't see how healing can really go any further, other than work faster.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
I'm almost up to where people say the second season starts to get its act together.
I'm hardly even watching it at this point. I just do homework with the show playing in the background and look over occasionally when it hits some parts.
There's no doubt about it.
Heroes was sucking. Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
AUGHHH, bad news.
Kring was planning on rewriting the season finale to go along with the whole "we're not as bad writers as you thought" thing... because of the strike he isn't rewriting it. Ughh.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
I currently see nothing wrong with the show, your all crazy.
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
quote:I think Bob's power is just to change elements, not molecular composition.
But if you change all the Oxygen in water to Nitrogen, wouldn't the molecular composition be changed?
It may be that Bob can only do this for "pure" elements. We've seen him change a fork though. I'd imagine that fork was some form of Aluminum composite. If it was Silver, I could buy that.
It still makes his power pretty impressive.
quote:Xavier, so you're saying he has the same power as that Zane guy? The one who could liquefy things?
That guys power was so lame, in the way it was presented. "I can turn metal into a puddle on the floor". If I were Sylar, I'd debate even bothering to take it.
Kind of like Bob's power though, we can probably extract a greater power from the demonstrated ability. It was almost like he could change the state of matter from solid to plasma temporarily. Those puddles went back to solid on the floor, right?
I wouldn't be at all surprised if Zane's demonstrated ability was a subset of what Bob can do.
Edit: From the Heroes Wiki:
quote: * The name "alchemy" comes from Joe Pokaski and Aron Coleite, who used the term to decribe Bob's power in a CBR Q&A interview. * Though Bob has only been seen to turn an ordinary spoon into gold, Joe Pokaski and Aron Coleite confirmed that he can transmute materials into substances other than gold.
[ November 09, 2007, 01:06 PM: Message edited by: Xavier ]
Posted by DevilDreamt (Member # 10242) on :
Zane's power was not lame (although the way it was presented made it seem kind of useless). When Sylar grabbed Hiro's sword last season, he chose to freeze it and break it. I really expected him to just liquefy it. Same thing when he was stabbed. I guess that wouldn't have helped him to live, and would have ruined an important object in the story, but seeing the shock on someones face as their sword turns into a worthless puddle would be priceless.
Also, it would be fun to just walk up to a tank or building or other object made primarily of metal and just... liquefy it.
On the floor of his room, we saw a partially liquefied plastic phone, and Sylar melted all of a toaster pretty quickly, so I don't think his power was limited just to metal. Not that it matters, he's dead and Sylar can't use his power anymore.
Posted by cmc (Member # 9549) on :
Lisa... My name's Caitlin.
Posted by Glenn Arnold (Member # 3192) on :
quote:Lisa... My name's Caitlin.
Isn't everybody's?
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
quote:Originally posted by cmc: Lisa... My name's Caitlin.
I know the feeling, my name's Adam.
Posted by scholar (Member # 9232) on :
The only time my first name has ever come up was when we watched a documentary on the Donner party in school. Since my first name is pretty unique, it stood out for everyone there and so I got a lot of comments for several years on that. And the name technically wasn't the same as mine. I add a pronounced e so there is a whole syllable different.
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
I only get a mention when Maureen McCormick does a cameo on a sitcom.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
What's your name, Scholar.
Posted by scholar (Member # 9232) on :
edit name out because I am being neurotic about not being searchable in any way
[ March 18, 2008, 11:42 PM: Message edited by: scholar ]
Posted by Elmer's Glue (Member # 9313) on :
My name is David. It was very uncomfortable watching A.I.
Posted by 0Megabyte (Member # 8624) on :
Not many people seem to use the name Anthony for their characters on television.
So I don't but rarely get this problem.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
Except when you listen to Billy Joel.
Posted by sylvrdragon (Member # 3332) on :
I forgot about Bob turning that fork to gold. Thanks for the reminder.
To clarify (no pun intended), Peter and Claire weren't able to regenerate when something was lodged in their BRAINS, not necessarily in them period.
As per the Sylar discussion regarding the right power at the right time; it seems that neither he, nor Peter have any CLUE which power is appropriate to use at what time. Of course... once Peter got Hiro's power, everything else just became a luxury. Well, I suppose Matt's and Invisible Man's (forgot his name) are good for gathering real-time information, but as far as Offense and Defense go, you don't really need anything more than the ability to control time and space...
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
Well, there was a movie and book that were slightly awkward... but more awkward is telling people that I spell my name like the movie and getting blank stares in return.
Do people really not know the movie "Carrie"?
Posted by EmpSquared (Member # 10890) on :
Crazy high school dance massacre by supernatural angry girl, right? Stephen King?
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Glenn Arnold:
quote:Lisa... My name's Caitlin.
Isn't everybody's?
Glenn? I thought you were a guy. <grin>
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Maybe it's short for Glennda, and Caitlin is her middle name. Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
Being a sam, I am greatly exposed to my name in zillions of shows and movies and I thought I was immune to the effect.
Err, but having hobbits constantly yell my name was sorta unnerving.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
quote:Originally posted by 0Megabyte: Not many people seem to use the name Anthony for their characters on television.
Tony Danza uses it all the time.
Posted by Glenn Arnold (Member # 3192) on :
Hey! I called it:
quote:I'm just wondering if the rules of the paintings is that they have to come true, just not in the way we expect them to.
From TV Guide:
quote:"Every painting we've had on Heroes has come true," says the show's creator, Tim Kring. "But don't forget, sometimes the true meaning of a painting has been misinterpreted."
Which means that in each case we shouldn't be expecting anyone to change the future, instead we should be guessing how the painting is misinterpreted.
Posted by DevilDreamt (Member # 10242) on :
Yes, I seem to recall Hiro standing in front of what appears to be a live dinosaur, in the wild, holding a sword. Only when that painting came true, Hiro wasn't in the wild, and the dinosaur was just a replica.
Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
What really makes me nervous is the fact that there's an actress with a full name that sounds like mine. She spells it wrong, but I'm going to be in for a lot of headaches if she becomes too famous.
Posted by Fyfe (Member # 937) on :
My name's Jenny, and I have long fair hair, and the Forrest Gump jokes never, ever, ever seem to get old. Ever.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
There was a black gospel singer who essentially had my name and then got shot dead while naked in a hotel hallway. But that was in the 70's so I don't get the headaches I otherwise would.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
I actually found someone online with my name. For the first time ever. I thought I was the only one in the world. There was even a picture. Thank goodness there was no resemblance.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Originally posted by Glenn Arnold: Hey! I called it:
quote:I'm just wondering if the rules of the paintings is that they have to come true, just not in the way we expect them to.
From TV Guide:
quote:"Every painting we've had on Heroes has come true," says the show's creator, Tim Kring. "But don't forget, sometimes the true meaning of a painting has been misinterpreted."
Which means that in each case we shouldn't be expecting anyone to change the future, instead we should be guessing how the painting is misinterpreted.
If Tim Kring said that, then he's got a serious problem with the paintings of the nuked New York. Unless you count the alternative future episodes, the nuked New York hasn't come true. There are probably some others too, like the painting of Nathan as POTUS.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Rabbit: If Tim Kring said that, then he's got a serious problem with the paintings of the nuked New York. Unless you count the alternative future episodes, the nuked New York hasn't come true. There are probably some others too, like the painting of Nathan as POTUS.
There was no painting of Nathan as POTUS. There was a painting of Sylar, using the powers he must have stolen from Candice to make himself look like Nathan, as POTUS.
Posted by erosomniac (Member # 6834) on :
quote:Originally posted by Fyfe: My name's Jenny, and I have long fair hair, and the Forrest Gump jokes never, ever, ever seem to get old. Ever.
I think if people continuously pronounce your name "JenNAAAaaaay!" you have implicit permission to go on a homicidal rampage.
Avoid Seattle, though, if you can. Thanks!
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lisa:
quote:Originally posted by The Rabbit: If Tim Kring said that, then he's got a serious problem with the paintings of the nuked New York. Unless you count the alternative future episodes, the nuked New York hasn't come true. There are probably some others too, like the painting of Nathan as POTUS.
There was no painting of Nathan as POTUS. There was a painting of Sylar, using the powers he must have stolen from Candice to make himself look like Nathan, as POTUS.
Whatever. It still hasn't happened except in the alternative timeline and doesn't appear likely to happen on this time line.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
My first and last name are encapsulated in the famous author Barbera Taylor Bradford's name. It was weird the first time I saw a book by her.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
There is a moderately famous Welsh pop/rock singer who goes by my name. (I was given the name as a baby and she assumed it as an adult. I think she should have to pay me royalties for the use of my name.)
She is much better known in Germany and the UK than in the US. When I'm in Germany during the summers I always get a dozen or more comments about my name and the singer. In the US, people make the connection far less often.
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
I think it's cheap for you to be able to paint the future -- only alternative futures. I mean, in theory anything could happen, so the whole power is worthless. It must actually be that you paint what is most likely to become the future.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
Agreed Phanto. The whole point of saying that every painting comes true is the implication that once events have been painted they can't be changed. If they happen on an alternative time line, then clearly they can be changed.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Theoretically, the world of Heroes as it is IS the alternate future.
Why? Because if they had never learned of the future, the city would probably have gone nuclear, and Sylar would have been president under the guise of Nathan. It's because of the paintings that they were able to avoid those things. Sort of a self-fulfilling unprophecy.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Theoretically, the world of Heroes as it is IS the alternate future.
genau!!
There is a world of difference between paintings which tell you what will happen unless you stop them and paintings which tell you what will happen no matter what you do.
[ November 12, 2007, 08:49 PM: Message edited by: The Rabbit ]
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Wow. Based on the previews...I'd say Darth Hoodie is Hiro.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
saw the episode, dang blast to the past show, only covered the previous 4 months but i geuss it sets the stage for an exciting netx episode.
Posted by Eaquae Legit (Member # 3063) on :
This was great. I missed seeing Hiro, but really, we know where he has been.
Adam has suddenly gotten a whole lot more interesting. Does he know about the Shanti virus? Is he just playing Peter to get revenge on Hiro, or does he really have intention to save the world? Has he been eaten alive by 400 years' desire for revenge, or is he redeemable? Does he even know about Hiro? He must, since he knew Kaito.
Next week seems to promise the end of the West-Claire-Bennett drama, which I am profoundly grateful for.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn: Theoretically, the world of Heroes as it is IS the alternate future.
Why? Because if they had never learned of the future, the city would probably have gone nuclear, and Sylar would have been president under the guise of Nathan. It's because of the paintings that they were able to avoid those things. Sort of a self-fulfilling unprophecy.
I thought it was mostly because of the paintings that the events almost happened in the first place. They saw the future and tried to avoid it, and that's what led to Peter being in New York where he ran into Ted.
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
I really like Bob. He strikes me as a really good character and he could swing as either good or bad. I would like him to be evil, though, as he's too jolly for a good role, if that makes any sense.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
I really don't know what Adam and Bob are in terms of good and evil. Though I can't see Bob as being good when he sends a sociopath on his errands.
Posted by Glenn Arnold (Member # 3192) on :
quote:Adam has suddenly gotten a whole lot more interesting. Does he know about the Shanti virus? Is he just playing Peter to get revenge on Hiro, or does he really have intention to save the world? Has he been eaten alive by 400 years' desire for revenge, or is he redeemable? Does he even know about Hiro? He must, since he knew Kaito.
Bob told Niki that the split personality is a common side effect of the hero mutation. We know Nathan is experiencing it. Maybe Adam is an alternate personality of Kensei.
Posted by Glenn Arnold (Member # 3192) on :
quote: Agreed Phanto. The whole point of saying that every painting comes true is the implication that once events have been painted they can't be changed. If they happen on an alternative time line, then clearly they can be changed.
When I brought this up the first time I said that I'd like to understand the rules that govern this. This is an important part of the whole series; not just painting the future, but what are the rules that govern each individual's powers? The writers have to stay within those rules or the whole system is broken.
At this point I'm guessing that the rules for painting the future is that Isaac (or whoever) is looking through the eyes of another hero. If it is seen by a hero, no matter what timeline it occurs in, it can be painted. Just my guess.
Posted by rollainm (Member # 8318) on :
Two questions:
1. If Peter (and Claire and Adam for that matter) can recover his memories by "healing" his brain, wouldn't that also mean he can never learn or remember anything new, or at least that he would erase what he had learned or experienced through the healing process?
2. Has Claire stopped aging? If not, at what point does one with this regeneration power stop aging?
Posted by ricree101 (Member # 7749) on :
quote:Originally posted by Glenn Arnold: Bob told Niki that the split personality is a common side effect of the hero mutation. We know Nathan is experiencing it. Maybe Adam is an alternate personality of Kensei.
Bob hasn't really shown much regard for the truth in the past. The idea that it's a common side effect could just be another lie to get Nikki on board.
Posted by EmpSquared (Member # 10890) on :
quote:Originally posted by Glenn Arnold: [QUOTE]Maybe Adam is an alternate personality of Kensei.
I doubt it. I think Adam is his real name, and Takezo Kensei is his alias, because A) unless left on some samurai's doorstep as a tiny British orphan (with built-in accent) his name isn't Kensei and B) he's the same person whether he wants to be known as Kensei or he's telling Hiro he's just a guy tricking everybody.
Liked the episode. We got more dimension to Maya and Alejandro, who were becoming the Heroes-equivalent of Nikki and Paulo, and Elle, who was already an alluring character.
And now they can certainly afford to kill somebody off with this premature season.
*cough HRG cough*
Posted by rollainm (Member # 8318) on :
Personally, I thought the whole bit with the twins was pointless. We learned absolutely nothing of significance that wasn't already easily inferred.
Posted by EmpSquared (Member # 10890) on :
It was easily inferred that Maya killed her brother's wife?
Posted by TheGrimace (Member # 9178) on :
k, definately liked this episode, as I liked the vast majority of the last one, and I appreciate the comments by the creator on where he realizes they've gone wrong but one thing is still just bugging the heck out of me...
Who in their right minds ever thought that umpteen versions of the exact same Twins plot would somehow intrigue us when absolutely no development has gone on with respect to the characters or their powers... we are at absolutely the same point with those two as we were in episode one...
I mean, I know I'm far from the only one frustrated by this particular plotline, but how bad do you have to be to think "hey if we just do the exact same thing over and over again without explaining it at all it'd be good right? I mean, the viewers won't just get mad at us right?" gah!
Posted by rollainm (Member # 8318) on :
quote:Originally posted by EmpSquared: It was easily inferred that Maya killed her brother's wife?
What did that tell us about her character or his that we didn't already know?
It just didn't seem to matter to me. I don't think their characters are at all interesting. Nikki/Jessica/whoever-that-third-one-is does a better job of grabbing my attention.
edit: or what Grimace said.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
I suspect that it was Angela who returned Peter's memories.
Posted by rollainm (Member # 8318) on :
quote:Originally posted by JonHecht: I suspect that it was Angela who returned Peter's memories.
That's a possibility. We still don't know exactly what she does, do we?
But what about what Adam said about "healing" that provoked the return of Peter's memory?
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
Angela also said that she was there to help him get his memories back.
Posted by rollainm (Member # 8318) on :
True...
Posted by EmpSquared (Member # 10890) on :
In this situation, the event itself is important whether it (arguably) adds depth to the character or not. Maybe the previous episodes have damaged their capacity to be attractive to the audience, but his wife's death does add urgency, however minute, to their quest.
And what do you need explaining about the powers? It was apparent from the beginning that Alejandro was the cure, and now we know who exactly was killed and why they're on the run.
My issue is actually with the actors. Too melodramatic, and I don't take them seriously. I just admire that we got some back story.
And I don't think Angela returned Peter's memories. When he saw her and "tried" to regain memories, he went through a ton of mini-flashbacks, and seemed to only remember her. Later, Adam asked to him to remember what mattered when he saw Nathan, and seeing how Nathan was embroiled in pretty much everything Heroes-related, Peter pulled a lot more out.
But it's complicated either way if I'm right or wrong about it. If Angela could give back memories, wouldn't she have done them all? Or if Peter had remembered everything about his mother, wouldn't he recall Nathan too?
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
Could be that she initiated the process, but it takes a bit of time.
Posted by EmpSquared (Member # 10890) on :
What an underdeveloped power then. Not that it's a given, but shouldn't the old Heroes have powers that have evolved even further? If someone like Maury can go from just reading minds to being illusion/telepathic extraordinaire, shouldn't Angela have something stronger than just initiating memory recovery? It's like all of her friends became microwaves, and she remained a crock pot.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
She could just not like to use her power. It's possible that she can also create false memories?
Posted by EmpSquared (Member # 10890) on :
Barring a different motive, why wouldn't she use her power to unlock Peter's memories? It seems like the memories were real, and not fabricated. Nathan didn't even like to acknowledge that he could fly, but he helped people anyway.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
I meant that she has both powers, and used the one to unlock his memories. The one concerning false memories is pure speculation based on the idea that powers evolve.
Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
I think it's relevant that the camera kept focusing on Angela touching Heidi when they talked in the hospital. (And how were they going to explain not one, but two miraculous healings to the public?) I'm guessing persuasion powers of some sort.
Posted by Elmer's Glue (Member # 9313) on :
What kind of crappy power is restoring memories?! Shigosei has it right. So it seems that healing evolves into being able to heal others, didn't think of that. I think Peter should only be able to use others' base power, not the more advanced levels of it. Elle is such a Psycho. They screwed the pooch with DL. It stupid that he wouldn't have let the bullet pass through him, he saw the guy coming. I don't get how the Haitian was helping by erasing Peter's memory. It's stupid that Nathan could have let go a bit earlier and been fine, and that Peter could fly right after exploding. Overall, I liked the episode. They just screwed a few things up.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I don't think Angela returned his memories, though for awhile I thought she could heal.
I think she used her powers when she was talking to Nathan's wife. Why else would they have made such a point of the camera catching her touching her and then gripping her arm? They specifically panned down when she gripped her arm. I think she has the power to influence minds, or at least to convince people to listen to her. And she has to be touching them to bring it off.
Still, very interesting episode. Lots of questions answered and a few new ones created.
Posted by Elmer's Glue (Member # 9313) on :
I don't get why Nathan hasn't just asked her what her power is.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
Angela convinces people of things. That's why Nathan went along with Linderman's plan last year, and that's what happened last night. It's also how she got Peter to start regaining his memories.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
Well, he's got lots of reasons to think she wouldn't answer for one thing.
I think we can safely assume that Adam's powers lie entirely in the realm of incredibly advanced healing. If there was something more, I doubt that he could've been imprisoned for so long, much less be the punching bag (or, I dunno, power strip, whatever) for our little cold-blooded witch with a 'b' in the prison.
She also felt comfortable bringing him down herself, and barring duplicity on either her or Adam's part that means that any other powers he might have can't be useful offensively.
As for Niki/Jessica/Gina...well, I don't care about her anymore. I'm only interested insofar as what she does to other characters. Either she's a) so damaged by her multiple personalities that she cannot make decisions responsibly (thus the decision to stay with her family, and ditch the meds), or (and I think this is more likely) she's just to chicken-s to make the tough decisions. Given her character's background, I don't find the latter so surprising. It's sad, just not interesting to me anyway.
Also, I rolled my eyes at the scene where Gina came forward and left Niki in the background. The expression on Niki's face in the mirror was...what, like, mild annoyance? I'm beginning to see why she gets so much flak as a crummy actress.
I do think it likely that Angela has some power that involves touch, and other people's opinions, feelings, or perceptions. But I'm not sure what it is, exactly. It'd need to be pretty potent at least, to make Nathan's wife forget the effects of Linderman's healing, and most importantly to, I dunno, just not see Nathan flying when, if she went on not believing him, he decided to prove things to her (if he did decide to do so).
Perhaps her abilities are a sort of reverse of the Haitian's. Instead of power supression and memory wiping, memory creation and power amplification? Who can say?
I was looking forward to finding out why Claire is such an idiot this season, but that'll have to wait.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
Wow, last night's episode was awful. I can't remember seeing a worse episode either this season or last and I can't think of any redeeming features.
First of all, we put a screeching halt to the forward action to show us what should have been shown a long time ago, was perfectly obvious, or was inane.
Let's start with the obvious and uninteresting:
The twins. YAWN! We knew she did something when her powers first manifested and frankly, I still don't care what.
The inane:
Nikki and DL. First, Nikki gets a new random personality? Yikes! That one made me cringe. The writers and creators of this show have obviously never bothered to figure out how multiple personality disorder works and I absolutely don't believe that the brains of these "heroes" works so much differently from humans. Plus, she still can't act.
DL, meanwhile, was pointless. I mean, I kind of liked the guy last season, for all he was connected to Nikki. He shows up dead this season and we figure that bullet from last season got him. That owuld have made sense. But noooooo....he survives that and gets a random and pointless gunshot wound to the heart in a club a few months later.
Finally, there were the parts we should have learned a different way:
It was nice to finally see how Peter and Nathan survived the explosion, but I don't see why it couldn't have been part of last season's climax. It didn't add anything to withhold the information.
So Adam and Peter were fellow prisoners for a while. Well, I pretty much figured that out but did we really need an entire episode just for that?
And can anyone explain to me why the Haitian took all Peter's memories?
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
Claire's acting like a teenager. Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
I don't know, the concept of a flashback episode wasn't so bad. It was made worse, however, (for me) by having it be about some characters I just don't care about, namely the twins and Niki. DL's death was pretty ridiculous. He's fast enough to trigger his phasing to avoid a punch, but not fast enough to see the guy coming at him with an angry scowl pull a gun?
I mean, the second time the guy comes at him, a street-smart guy like DL would have to know, "Violence may ensue here."
I do think it added things to last season's climax to withhold the information.
Sure, we could've guessed that Adam and Peter were prisoners...but we had no idea where Peter WAS for four months, so we couldn't really be sure, could we? It was one of many plausible guesses.
The Haitian took all of Peter's memories presumably to a) give him a better life, and b) maybe give him more time to grow into powers while not KNOWING he can `splode, thus saving people. Possibly once Peter gets the hang of dozens of abilities, he'll be able to handle the one without blowing up.
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Yes, Claire's acting like a teenager. An ordinary teenager. I refuse to believe that most teenagers would behave so stupidly in her situation, though, when they were cognizant of the risks involved. Hell, when Anne Frank was up in the attic, you didn't read in her journal about sneaking downstairs to date cute boys, did you?
Posted by Glenn Arnold (Member # 3192) on :
quote:Originally posted by EmpSquared:
quote:Originally posted by Glenn Arnold: [QUOTE]Maybe Adam is an alternate personality of Kensei.
I doubt it. I think Adam is his real name, and Takezo Kensei is his alias, because A) unless left on some samurai's doorstep as a tiny British orphan (with built-in accent) his name isn't Kensei and B) he's the same person whether he wants to be known as Kensei or he's telling Hiro he's just a guy tricking everybody.
Regardless of what name he's going by, the dual personality issue makes sense, from a plot perspective. We used to think Niki was an abberation, but not we see that Nathan is also living with a multiple personality. So Niki's split isn't random, it's part of the whole syndrome. It also explains why the company locks people up, even if they seem like reasonable people. If they have an alternate personality, they are dangerous.
Also, in Japan, Kensei changed moods dramatically, from "I'm a scumbag that just wants fame and money," to "I like this being a hero thing and I'm in love with the princess," and back again. That may have been a precursor to the personality split.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
I'm not convinced Nathan is living with a multiple personality. Having a flashback to when your face was horribly mutilated and thinking awful things you don't say aloud do not MP make.
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
quote:Originally posted by Rakeesh: DL's death was pretty ridiculous. He's fast enough to trigger his phasing to avoid a punch, but not fast enough to see the guy coming at him with an angry scowl pull a gun?
I mean, the second time the guy comes at him, a street-smart guy like DL would have to know, "Violence may ensue here."
Also, we've already seen DL phase out in time to avoid being shot: when Jessica was trying to kill him with a sniper rifle. She hit him once since he had no idea she was even there, but he phased out before the second shot passed through his head.
(This is all rather fresh in my mind because I only started watching the series about two weeks ago and am now caught up.)
quote:Originally posted by Rakeesh: Yes, Claire's acting like a teenager. An ordinary teenager. I refuse to believe that most teenagers would behave so stupidly in her situation, though, when they were cognizant of the risks involved.
Doesn't your third sentence contradict your second one?
Claire hasn't really had dating options while living at home, so I wasn't surprised that when she met a straight guy she could confide in she started dating him against her parents' wishes and lied to keep it a secret. Those raging teenage hormones had to take over sooner or later. I did find West's stalking pretty creepy, though, and was a bit surprised that she still went for him so fast after that.
[Edit: Changed the first word of the post to "Also."]
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: I really don't know what Adam and Bob are in terms of good and evil. Though I can't see Bob as being good when he sends a sociopath on his errands.
True, but she's his daughter. That makes a difference. And other than the leeway he gives Elle, we haven't actually seen Bob do anything malicious. Bad, maybe, but that's a judgement call, and his intentions seem to actually be good. At least so far.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Glenn Arnold: Bob told Niki that the split personality is a common side effect of the hero mutation. We know Nathan is experiencing it.
No, we really don't. You keep talking about it as if it's somehow an established fact, but not a single thing has happened on the show that indicates Nathan having a split personality. If you ever saw yourself in the mirror looking like he did, I'm pretty sure you'd have flashbacks about it for a very long time. But his reflection, other than looking burnt, never did anything. There's no evidence of any split personality there.
Posted by sylvrdragon (Member # 3332) on :
Wait... when did Nathan get an alternate personality? Sleazy politician to Drunk does not a personality disorder make. Also, where did the assumption that he didn't know about his ability to fly from the start come from? Just cause he denied it to Peter at the beginning of the first season doesn't mean he didn't KNOW about it. He was obviously covering it up for his political campaign (Or, he was under the effects of "suggestion" from his mother).
Did anyone else think that Adam's trick with the blood transfusion to be a little encroaching upon Linderman's ability? Kind of a cop-out if you ask me. It would have been better to leave that power to be something to regret losing. At the very least, they should have introduced a new character with Linderman's ability rather than just handing out them out willy-nilly to everyone.
I completely agree with the whole DL thing. That part could have been completely cut out and nothing would have been lost. If I had to guess, I would say they got 2 things from it. a) Staling time to cope with the writer's strike (15-20 minutes of an episode is SOMETHING), and b)A simple reason why Niki was with the company.
About the second point though, I don't think they realized just how little people care about Niki and that nobody gives a crap about why she was there.
As for the twins... they could get into a car crash and burn in the next episode for all I care about THEM (so long as Sylar escapes). Though I foresee her playing a role in taking out Adam (lets see you heal from THAT wolverine boy!).
Seeing as how they're jumping back and forth between subplots, next week is gonna be Mohinder/Matt/Molly, Claire/Noah/Stalker, Hiro/Ando, and Micah/Mimic-girl-whos-name-escapes-me. Also, some of these subplots are gonna have to start meeting up soon if the "Generations" story arch is supposed to conclude on Dec.3. I'm predicting Sylar & friends meeting Micah & co., and the beginning of the 'Mohinder meets Noah' showdown (but not the conclusion. That one is too major to happen all in a single episode. I predict second to last episode before Dec.3). Hiro is gonna jump in completely at random somewhere (except that he isn't gonna meet Adam yet. That one won't be till the last episode)
I didn't watch the next weeks clips btw, so some/all of this may already be known/proven false.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
quote:Originally posted by Rakeesh: I do think it added things to last season's climax to withhold the information.
Sure, we could've guessed that Adam and Peter were prisoners...but we had no idea where Peter WAS for four months, so we couldn't really be sure, could we? It was one of many plausible guesses.
The withheld information I was complaining about was mostly what happened to Nathan and Peter immediately after the explosion. Nathan was even aware of that information and yet all we got from him were some ridiculous looks at a deformed face in the mirror.
They probably did need to show us Adam and Peter's meeting at some point and a flashback might be the only way to do it, but sheesh...it was a whole episode for maybe 10 minutes of content.
Posted by JonnyNotSoBravo (Member # 5715) on :
quote:Originally posted by rollainm: Two questions:
1. If Peter (and Claire and Adam for that matter) can recover his memories by "healing" his brain, wouldn't that also mean he can never learn or remember anything new, or at least that he would erase what he had learned or experienced through the healing process?
2. Has Claire stopped aging? If not, at what point does one with this regeneration power stop aging?
1. No, learning something new is creating new pathways in the brain. You don't carve anything into the brain or hurt anything in the brain to make new memories. The fact that Peter could heal his brain and his memories indicates that the Haitian does some brain damage when he takes away memories. Claire's mother having headaches and brain hemorrhaging also indicates that the Haitian's power damages brain cells.
2. Growth is different from "aging" as I see it. "Aging", to me, is when cells can no longer divide and replicate, or they replicate poorly or incorrectly. Growth is merely fulfilling the blueprint that is DNA. Claire is growing until she reaches full maturity. But she won't ever get old.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
quote:Originally posted by rollainm: 2. Has Claire stopped aging? If not, at what point does one with this regeneration power stop aging?
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I think the key here is the difference between GROWING and AGING. I did some looking into it because I'm currently writing a novel in which the characters have stopped AGING. At the moment, Claire is still growing. Humans typically grow until sometime in their mid-twenties, at which point they start aging. So I would expect Claire to be a fully mature woman before she stopped looking any older.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by sylvrdragon: Wait... when did Nathan get an alternate personality? Sleazy politician to Drunk does not a personality disorder make. Also, where did the assumption that he didn't know about his ability to fly from the start come from? Just cause he denied it to Peter at the beginning of the first season doesn't mean he didn't KNOW about it. He was obviously covering it up for his political campaign (Or, he was under the effects of "suggestion" from his mother).
That's actually very possible. I hadn't thought of that.
quote:Originally posted by sylvrdragon: Seeing as how they're jumping back and forth between subplots, next week is gonna be Mohinder/Matt/Molly, Claire/Noah/Stalker, Hiro/Ando, and Micah/Mimic-girl-whos-name-escapes-me.
Monica. Anyone notice that they have a thing about people whose names begin with M? Mohinder/Matt/Molly. Micah/Monica.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
Can anyone explain to me why the Haitian took all of Peter's memories?
Posted by cmc (Member # 9549) on :
I was sort of thinking that he did it as a 'quick-fix' type of thing. Peter was so amped up in that moment that if he'd kept the memory right then than he'd probably try to go back and help Adam. The Haitian's reference to how Mrs. Petrelli (sp?) had helped him in a time of need just got me thinking that he wanted Peter to go somewhere away from where they were right then - because he probably knows that Bob (or at least electrical-charge-psycho-gives-me-the-willies girl) was up to something no good.
There's got to be a way to get the memories back, look at Fufu-dog lover Bennett? She's got some (at least) stuff back...
Enough of my rambling, but I'm thinking it was to pacify him in the moment... and then just a good dose of blind faith that he'd find his way back to where he needed to be.
Okay - actually one more comment before I spare you more of my rambling... ; ) I don't get a split personality thing from Nathan - I get a what were they thinking having a mirror there because you really can't just show someone themself completely different looking all in your face with no talk about it before hand and now he's got that crazy image in his head even thought he looks in the mirror and sees the him he remembered and he's all 'is that real? did i really look like that?' type thing. (holy run-on sentence, batman!!!) Maybe the visions he has where he was fighting the mirror are tied into the dreamsharing and Matt's dad (for one) messing with people's realities?
Now I'll really stop with my rambling... : )
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
Honestly, I think the only thing going on with Nathan in the mirror was bad writing. I think they were trying to hint what happened after the explosion without coming right out and telling us. I definitely don't get split personality and I pray that the writers will quit while they're behind on that one. Posted by Glenn Arnold (Member # 3192) on :
quote:If you ever saw yourself in the mirror looking like he did, I'm pretty sure you'd have flashbacks about it for a very long time. But his reflection, other than looking burnt, never did anything.
Nathan's reflection is being revealed to the audience in exactly the same way Niki's was. Apart from the very obvious visual difference, it moves independently, instead of the way a reflection normally would. Also, the editing has that "dunt dunt duuh!" kind of "hey we just dropped a huge clue" feeling. Added to Bob's claim about personality splits, it all falls into place. Ignore it if you want, but I'm sticking to it until I'm proved wrong. It also fits with the idea that these powers have to have common threads, rather than just being random mutations.
quote:Mohinder/Matt/Molly. Micah/Monica.
Speaking of naming conventions; in addition to the names that begin with M, you've got Noah, Gabriel, Nathan, Micah, Peter, Matthew, Isaac, Adam, Zach, Eden (ok, not quite), and Simon. I know biblical names are common, but Gabriel, Isaac and Micah are a bit beyond normal. I mean, Hiro's name has obvious meaning, but is there any meaning behind all the character names?
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
With all of the hero inbreeding, it would make some sense if Adam was at the root of the hero family tree.
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
Don't forget the obvious implications of "Angela."
Posted by The Pixiest (Member # 1863) on :
quote: Monica. Anyone notice that they have a thing about people whose names begin with M? Mohinder/Matt/Molly. Micah/Monica.
That's because M names are the best names. (followed closely by S names.)
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
L names rock.
Posted by JoeH (Member # 5958) on :
I liked the episode for the most part. The thing that annoyed me though was how easy it was for Peter and Adam to break out. If the Company is so great/wealthy/whatever, wouldn't it bug their rooms/cells? And why would it put Peter within talking distance of Adam?
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
quote:Originally posted by JoeH: I liked the episode for the most part. The thing that annoyed me though was how easy it was for Peter and Adam to break out. If the Company is so great/wealthy/whatever, wouldn't it bug their rooms/cells? And why would it put Peter within talking distance of Adam?
Because their agenda perhaps involves LETTING them get out??? For the life of me, I can't imagine why they would want them free, but it seems like the best explanation for the ease of Adam and Peter's escape.
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
Ditto. They could have better security.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
You mean like not having a giant vent for two very dangerous Heroes to casually converse through? Considering Adam's age, and probably his experience and you'd have to imagine ability to manipulate people after all that time, and Peter's naivte, mixed with his incredible power, letting them chat on and on in a low security prison was insanely stupid. I think they were let go. Sending Elle after a guy who can heal seemed pretty stupid too.
quote:memory creation and power amplification? Who can say?
I'd love it if we could find someone whose power was power amplification. I think that'd make for some pretty cool combinations of Heroes.
Posted by JonnyNotSoBravo (Member # 5715) on :
Yeah, I think Bob and Adam are linked together, working together. That's why Bob called Kristen Bell off the search when she was in Ireland. They just wanted to spook Peter enough into action, causing him to go back and meet Adam.
Curing Nathan was just to get Peter on Adam's side. And Adam has to have Peter on his side to combat Hiro, otherwise Hiro's power over time/space would always win.
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I think Monica's muscle mimicry lacks one thing - bone density. If she tries doing some martial arts moves without the proper bone density, she could wind up breaking her fingers/wrists when she punches. But maybe it's a little ridiculous for me to try to inject some reality into this show...
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I want to see someone in Heroes with the ability to affect chance, like the Scarlet Witch.
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
quote: I think Monica's muscle mimicry lacks one thing - bone density. If she tries doing some martial arts moves without the proper bone density, she could wind up breaking her fingers/wrists when she punches. But maybe it's a little ridiculous for me to try to inject some reality into this show...
I mentioned this earlier. She'd already have hurt herself badly imo, doing the things she does without training for it first.
Posted by ricree101 (Member # 7749) on :
quote:Originally posted by JonnyNotSoBravo: Yeah, I think Bob and Adam are linked together, working together. That's why Bob called Kristen Bell off the search when she was in Ireland. They just wanted to spook Peter enough into action, causing him to go back and meet Adam.
Maybe, but who was behind the attack on Bob, then? Do you think that it was just Matt's dad, or was someone besides Adam doing the plotting?
quote:And Adam has to have Peter on his side to combat Hiro, otherwise Hiro's power over time/space would always win.
I don't know, Hiro's control over the ability is a little spotty. I would think that getting the element of surprise would be enough to deal with him. For example, he could sedate Hiro, infect him with the virus to knock out his powers, and then do whatever else it is that he wanted.
quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn: Sending Elle after a guy who can heal seemed pretty stupid too.
From what we've seen, the people she goes after seem to have a habit of winding up dead. She hasn't exactly shown much self restraint, anyways. Personally, if I was going to send her into the field (which I probably wouldn't unless I was desperate), I'd prefer making the target someone she couldn't damage permanently.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Or...at all.
Posted by sylvrdragon (Member # 3332) on :
I think the Haitian took all of Peter's memories to delay him making progress with Adam until he and Noah found the rest of the paintings or whatever. I would venture to guess that the Haitian KNEW he would get his memories back. I would imagine that they had long since tried to erase Adam's memories, but realized somewhere along the line that it was useless so long as he could regenerate.
Besides that, he's probably the most in-the-know character in the series aside from Bob. He seems to be playing all sides from every angle, and nobody suspects him. We just don't know his agenda... It would be pretty cool if he ended up being the villain in the next season/storyline. Of course... if that were the case, then it would be more reasonable to take him down using conventional means rather than using 'Heroes' against him.
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
That's a good point. What all does the Haitian know? What does he want?
Posted by JoeH (Member # 5958) on :
Yeah, good points. I did forget to say that I hope it was part of some unknown plan by the Company to allow them to escape.
Am I the only one who still gets confused when people refer to HRG as Noah?
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
The Haitian wants personal redemption.
Posted by Strider (Member # 1807) on :
I thought the last two episodes were a HUGE improvement over the beginning of the season. Shame it has to happen with so few episodes left to redeem the series.
I think whoever said that Bob or The Company let Adam and Peter escape is spot on. Because either it was all planned, or the writing is really really sloppy. Those rooms would be bugged at all times.
I'm also a little frustrated at Mohinder for constantly saying he's being watched and yet he freely says whatever he wants on his cellphone while inside the company headquarters. And also, when he was originally hired by Bob, wasn't it because of the lectures he was giving talking about how all these people have mutated and are extremely dangerous and need to be stopped? And form the second he started working for Bob his actions have shown the exact opposite of his statements.
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
Since when has this show shown the sophistication where something like Adam and Peter escaping was a setup? If this show were complex and layered, I could believe that, but perhaps I'm just too cynical.
Posted by DevilDreamt (Member # 10242) on :
I think they opened up a ton of plot holes. I really can't imagine Adam escaping unless he is working with Bob.
I would not like to see a Hero with the Scarlet Witches power. Depending on the writer, her powers fluctuate between borderline worthless and outrageously powerful, and it is very confusing at all times. Writers have so much leeway in what she can do, unless they are very careful, her power kind of ruins everything.
Now, I would like to see someone with Longshot's power. For those who aren't familiar, the Scarlet Witch controls probability, and more importantly, can bend the multiverse and make other realities manifest in our reality. As a for example, in one issue she threatens Thor, telling him that in some universe, somewhere, he's a baby seal being clubbed to death, and she's going to find that universe and make it real here.
Longshot, on the other hand, bends probability in a way that events tend to fall in his favor. If someone is sneaking up on him, they will slip and fall. People shoot at him, and their guns misfire. His power appears to be nothing more than incredible luck for him and very bad luck for his enemies, which is much easier for the audience to understand and gives clear perimeters for the writer's to work in, unlike with the Scarlett Witches power, which has gone off the charts (either being underpowered or overpowered) too many times to count.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
Scarlet Witch's power is to make Marvel write themselves into incredible holes.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
I read about House of M on wikipedia. >_< So confusing.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
WOOT! Awesome episode!
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
That was a fantastic episode.
The Hiro/Kaito interaction pretty much saved Hiro for me this season. It was so sweet and touching and just... good.
I really hope I wasn't the only one screaming at my TV "Use Claire's blood! Why aren't you doing that yet?!" at the end. It was a very dramatic end - and I'm extremely glad they didn't just kill off Noah - but it was a bit obvious.
And Matt is still awesome. Posted by Glenn Arnold (Member # 3192) on :
Did you notice that Matt had labelled the missing woman on his photograph?
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
Victoria Pratt, wasn't it?
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Oh Matt, we start to see a bit of moral slide perhaps? Clearly he ignored Angela's barb and used his powers to extract the information that he wanted anyways. He has become incredibly powerful, in a different way, maybe just as much as Hiro. I'm slightly disturbed by the growth in Matt's power, but frankly it seemed pretty natural, it just happened. But he now has to be extremely careful, as his power is I think more casual and tempting than any other power when it comes to influencing other minds and and getting what he wants. It will be interesting to see how he acts with this newfound power.
Victoria Pratt was the name on the picture. I thought they might use Claire's blood, and it's really, really interesting to see now that apparently that blood can bring people back from the dead, which is a little disturbing. Technically I'm not even sure how the IV blood would have gotten from his vein to his brain when his heart had stopped beating, but I won't let that little technical bit get me down, it's still both interesting and disturbing.
We know now that Darth Hoodie is Kensei/Adam Monroe, which makes a lot of sense now.
I like how this episode went a long way to answer a lot of questions, did more developing of the characters and managed to still ask more questions, it's why I love this show so much, it gives you something leaves you wanting more without feeling wholly unsatisfied. In general I think they did GREAT work with Claire and her family's storyline this week. It felt much more real than in the past. I just wonder why they even bothered to bring Noah back to life, but I fear for what they might do to him, or what role he might play in the future.
From the looks of the next two episodes, Claire is going go on a badass revenge trip, which could be interesting. How do you stop a pissed off invulnerable teenager on a revenge trip?
I'm even more sad now that it's over in two weeks, right when it's really really picking up!
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
stab her in the back of the head.
Posted by scholar (Member # 9232) on :
I don't think Noah was dead yet.
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: stab her in the back of the head.
And leave the knife (or whatever) there.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
quote:Originally posted by scholar: I don't think Noah was dead yet.
Judging from the look in his eyes, in that, one had a hole shot through it and the other which had a film grown over it, I think it is very fair to say he was dead.
And okay, the knife thing is pretty good, but still, she's fairly indestructable and if she had help, I'd say unstoppable.
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
Knock her out and put her in a cage. Problem solved.
Posted by 0Megabyte (Member # 8624) on :
Well, they did that to Adam. He escaped, eventually.
Putting immortals in cages only make things worse in the long run.
Posted by Elmer's Glue (Member # 9313) on :
They die if you decapitate them. I don't care how well you heal, you can't regrow your entire body. Unless someone just put the head back on, I guess they could reattach.
I think it was the the best episode of the season. That isn't really saying much, but it was a great episode.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Dude, Adam had to have been nearly eradicated when that tent with all the guns and powder exploded. If he came back from that, she could come back from having her head cut off.
Posted by AvidReader (Member # 6007) on :
You get the feeling that the writers were actively trying to redeem themselves after Kring's list came out? Cause they pretty much fixed eveything on it last night.
I can't hit all the plot points I liked, there were too many. Even just the changes would be an enormous post. But the best thing they did was to get me asking questions again. What's the Company think it's going to do with a live Noah? They don't have the Haitian to make him forget leaving them. All I can think is that a little of Claire's blood wasn't good enough, and they need him alive to bargain with Claire.
I loved how sad Bob was that he got killed. And what was that look on Elle's face at the end? Those two seem poised for some character development. Which I would love because Elle has yet to strike me as a believable person.
For the first time this season, I'm genuinely happy with the episode. All of it. Every storyline.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Elle strikes me as a very believable pyschopath, which I think says wonder about the hidden capabilities of Bob's darker side. I do find it mildly, though not implausibly unbelieable that he slipped up and said Bennett and not Butler when trying to abscond with her at the school, not that it mattered.
What I loved was the little seeds of doubt that Noah planted in Elle's brain just before he was killed. You just know that's going to grow into something later.
Posted by sylvrdragon (Member # 3332) on :
I would say that the look she had in the end scene WAS those seeds of doubt, and how she flinched away from Bob's hand. Also, I think they brought Noah back to make amends. I also think that Claire's words to Bob struck a soft spot. From this point, I could honestly see the Company going good (and Noah believing it) after this ordeal. One problem though (as was stated above) will be that Claire won't know that they brought Noah back yet and she just MIGHT go on a rampage.
In light of that prediction, I think that Peter and Adam are going to run into Claire before Noah and the Company can get back to her. From there, it will be them and probably Matt vs The company. Hiro will probably be on his own like he always is (or maybe with Nathan, I forget where HE is right now).
About Victoria; why does the name Pratt sound familiar? Who's mother is she?
Also, I don't think that Micah/Monica, and Sylar and friends are really a part of the "Generations" story line, but were brought in to help set up the NEXT story-line. That is, unless Maya's power really is the key to killing Adam once and for all.
About Monica, we already know that she eventually becomes something of a local hero in her home town (remember the Isaac Comic's of her in that cat-girl-esque costume). So there is another reason that I don't think it's part of this current plot.
Posted by JoeH (Member # 5958) on :
Great episode for all the reasons everyone has stated. I have to say though that Mohinder really annoys me.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
Echo...echo....
Yeah, great episode. Things are really moving along and it was very exciting. Matt's potential disturbs me more than anything else I saw...from mind reading to mind control and he seems not to have established any limits on when it's ok to do such a thing. Matt's always had a dark side, though. Don't forget he stole some diamonds last season. He also went to some pretty unethical measures to go after Bennett.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by Christine: Echo...echo....
Yeah, great episode. Things are really moving along and it was very exciting. Matt's potential disturbs me more than anything else I saw...from mind reading to mind control and he seems not to have established any limits on when it's ok to do such a thing. Matt's always had a dark side, though. Don't forget he stole some diamonds last season. He also went to some pretty unethical measures to go after Bennett.
Also don't forget the alternate future episode where Matt was in charge of finding those with powers and capturing them. He was a dick when drunk with power.
I think we are going to see Parkman flirt with the evil side of his power and eventually choose between his power or his humanity. He may ultimately decide that he must never use his powers to force other people to do things, and stick with just reading minds.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
Mohinder is a weak person. He rarely ever stands up for his own principles. The one time he did was when Bob wanted him to inject Monica against her will, and he folded like a chair when Bob apologized, despite the fact that Bob has never shown any unwillingness to kill people.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
Finally, the series gets back in stride.
Now, if the writers do honestly understand what they did wrong with this season and they aren't just saying that, that means a good third season approaches after this little interlude.
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
Mohinder has been so stupid that at times, I have found him to be completely unbelievable. However, his stupidity is becoming so chronic that he has become to me like the village idiot. You know. The person you work with or go to school with who is so inexplicably stupid you keep being shocked. If they wrote about THAT person, you would be asking the same question about the village idiot as we all ask about Mohinder: "Can anyone really be that stupid?" The answer is certainly yes.
At first, the implausible part was how someone as stupid as Mohinder could end up becoming a professor, but then I think back to some professors that I have met in real life and I think, "oh yeah there's idiots everywhere..."
Now the implausible thing will be when Mohinder finally does something SMART.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
I just find it hard to believe that when Noah had the hammer back and the gun in Mohinders face Noah stood down, and yet hours later Mohinder didn't even point the gun at Noah and tell him to put it down he just pulled his piece out and shot him in the head.
Don't give guns to nerds, it's a lesson we can all learn. But seriously, unless Mohinder knew that they could use Claire's blood to heal Noah later I have absolutely no desire to see him anymore working with the good guys.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
I think the most implausible thing was that shot. He's never handled a gun before in his life (I'm assuming, anyway), and manages to shoot a guy right through the eye? Yeah, I know it's TV, but still.
Okay, so that's a relatively minor gripe. It really was a great episode. I'm still frustrated that we don't know Kaito's or Angela's powers, though. And it seemed like at one point she was on the verge of saying what Adam could do, but then the conversation turned when Matt asked about his age instead.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jon Boy: I think the most implausible thing was that shot. He's never handled a gun before in his life (I'm assuming, anyway), and manages to shoot a guy right through the eye? Yeah, I know it's TV, but still.
He was aiming for his knee. <grin>
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: I just find it hard to believe that when Noah had the hammer back and the gun in Mohinders face Noah stood down, and yet hours later Mohinder didn't even point the gun at Noah and tell him to put it down he just pulled his piece out and shot him in the head.
Well, it was a little different. Noah was furious, and he mastered his anger. Mohinder panicked. He thought Noah was going to kill Bob, and more than that, he thought Noah was going to destroy the company. Noah said as much. And Mohinder thinks that the company is important now (which bugs me, because it makes him seriously stupid).
Posted by scholar (Member # 9232) on :
quote:Originally posted by BandoCommando:
At first, the implausible part was how someone as stupid as Mohinder could end up becoming a professor, but then I think back to some professors that I have met in real life and I think, "oh yeah there's idiots everywhere..."
My boss, tenured faculty in biochemistry doesn't know how to use a microwave and can't figure it out. I tried to show him and he decided life was better without it.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Well, it was a little different. Noah was furious, and he mastered his anger. Mohinder panicked. He thought Noah was going to kill Bob, and more than that, he thought Noah was going to destroy the company. Noah said as much. And Mohinder thinks that the company is important now (which bugs me, because it makes him seriously stupid).
Fair enough, but also take into account Mohinder arguing during like three other scenes, "We do things my way and spare Noah's life or I am not going!"
It strains the mind that he would put a bullet in his head without so much as a word.
Also I found Bob's facial expression to Noah being shot very interesting. But perhaps he too was thinking, "No biggie, we've got Claire's blood."
Posted by rollainm (Member # 8318) on :
Great episode. Two issues, but like those I had with last week's, perhaps there is a simple answer to these as well. Both have to do with Elle.
1. What was stopping her from breaking free at any point after leaving the Bennett's and before the exchange?
2. Why was she driving rather than Bob after being shot in the arm?
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
quote:I think the most implausible thing was that shot. He's never handled a gun before in his life (I'm assuming, anyway),
Mohinder? Because mohinder tried to shoot sylar.
Posted by EmpSquared (Member # 10890) on :
quote:Originally posted by rollainm: Great episode. Two issues, but like those I had with last week's, perhaps there is a simple answer to these as well. Both have to do with Elle.
1. What was stopping her from breaking free at any point after leaving the Bennett's and before the exchange?
2. Why was she driving rather than Bob after being shot in the arm?
I also had an issue with number 1. Maybe Noah thought that handcuffing her would limit her aim? She did have to break through the cuffs to shoot at Claire though. I would have suctioned like, a goldfish bowl or something to her.
Number 2 is just because she's hardcore. And also because it'd be easier for the little bit of character development between Bob and Elle if Elle shrugs him off and distracts herself with driving instead of the worried advances of her father.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
Bob could have easily given some of Claire's blood to Elle.
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
quote:Originally posted by scholar:
quote:Originally posted by BandoCommando:
At first, the implausible part was how someone as stupid as Mohinder could end up becoming a professor, but then I think back to some professors that I have met in real life and I think, "oh yeah there's idiots everywhere..."
My boss, tenured faculty in biochemistry doesn't know how to use a microwave and can't figure it out. I tried to show him and he decided life was better without it.
Tenure....that wonderful invention that screws over talented, good, effective teachers with abrasive relationships with colleagues or bosses yet provides limitless job security to idiotic, ineffective yet amiable teachers.....
Posted by Mucus (Member # 9735) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn: And okay, the knife thing is pretty good, but still, she's fairly indestructable and if she had help, I'd say unstoppable.
Read "Can't Touch This" from Rising Stars by JMS. The character in that is actually indestructible rather than healing. However, it does have a significantly different take on this issue.
Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
To deal with Adam, you just have to get around the idea that killing him or locking him in a cage is the only way to get rid of him for good. For example, Hiro can take Adam to the future and leave him there. Problem solved, though perhaps it's not a nice thing to do to those people. Or stick Hiro in a space suit and put Adam on the moon. Perhaps Adam could be sedated, frozen, then launched on a trajectory out of the solar system. Unless he gets close to a star and manages to thaw, he'd presumably would just stay asleep. Or hey, maybe Matt can strand Adam in a dream. Plenty of options Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
Besides, if putting Adam in a cage kept him out of circulation for my lifetime, who cares if he gets out eventually?
Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
Which is why stranding him in the future is attractive. Of course, if he manages to run into someone else in the future who can control time and space, he might manage to get back.
I wonder what the limit is to the things Adam and Claire can survive? Adam survived an explosion. Would he have survived if he were next to Peter when Peter went off? Would he survive being thrown into the sun? A black hole?
Here's an unsettling thought: if he were infected with the Shanti virus, he would presumably not lose his powers and not die. What if his body didn't clear the infection, though? He'd be a carrier and he'd kill everyone he came close to. (And just how contagious is the virus anyway? Nobody seems to be worrying about broken virus vials or about being near Niki after she was infected.)
Posted by ricree101 (Member # 7749) on :
quote:Originally posted by Shigosei: Which is why stranding him in the future is attractive. Of course, if he manages to run into someone else in the future who can control time and space, he might manage to get back.
I still wonder what the effect of leaving someone in a future that doesn't happen is. I mean, what if, for example, you went to the future and left Adam on some yet to be constructed space station. Then when you come back you could prevent the station from being built and launched.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
if hes past the event horizon of a black hole hes gone for eternity.
Posted by Glenn Arnold (Member # 3192) on :
quote:1. What was stopping her from breaking free at any point after leaving the Bennett's and before the exchange?
Aluminized duct tape.
Posted by Glenn Arnold (Member # 3192) on :
I'm reasonably sure Sylar can kill Adam. That's probably why they didn't kill Sylar when they had the chance.
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
Well, if Adam can come back from this, I'd have to agree with him (and [perhaps eventually] Claire) being darn near indestructible.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: if hes past the event horizon of a black hole hes gone for eternity.
quote:Originally posted by Carrie: Well, if Adam can come back from this, I'd have to agree with him (and [perhaps eventually] Claire) being darn near indestructible.
hahahahah
look very closely at that person's arm.
HE'S GOT AN ADAMANTIUM SKELETON
Posted by ricree101 (Member # 7749) on :
We had to put up with the twins for all those episodes just to see him randomly get stabbed to death by Sylar. On one hand, it's pretty lame. The good news, though, is that we never have to hear from "the twins" again.
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
It was kinda a nice scene though you gotta admit.
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
Even if it was a bit heavy on the tick-tocking...
His call to Mohinder was brilliant, though. Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
Alright, according to the preview "two heroes will fall" and Hiro is going to go head to head with Peter. If they, for some idiotic reason, kill Hiro then I am done with the show. And I will cry.
Posted by ricree101 (Member # 7749) on :
quote:Originally posted by JonHecht: Alright, according to the preview "two heroes will fall" and Hiro is going to go head to head with Peter. If they, for some idiotic reason, kill Hiro then I am done with the show. And I will cry.
Niki and the other twin (can't remember her name).
Posted by 0Megabyte (Member # 8624) on :
Oh, yeah.
Mohinder has no cure.
Adn the other twin is so going to die.
Why did we waste all that time with them? Why? I know it sucked, but we were patient! Was all of that just for them to get killed by Sylar?
Why couldn't we have just met them, say, twice, the second time reemphasizing their powers as they meet Sylar.
As Sylar meets them, he gets all creepy-evil, and then... the next time we see him, he's got his powers back.
No... that would require his "out of comission" subplot to not be around. I'd be okay with that, though. Just have someone other than illusion girl there when he escaped. Thus, he wouldnt' get quite so powerful.
Posted by Elmer's Glue (Member # 9313) on :
Why does nobody stop Hiro when he runs at them with a sword?!
Posted by AvidReader (Member # 6007) on :
I liked Sylar in this one. He was massively creepy, and he wasn't doing his usual random killer schtick. It was a nice change for him. I was also not thrilled with how they fixed the twins, but they did fix it. Maybe it'll be better next time. Though I'll be surprised if they can wrap up this new subplot in one episode to my satisfaction. It would be a great cliffhanger for the third season. "Now that we've saved the world, we have to go save Molly!"
I've never respected Mrs Bennet before last night. She was pretty tough dealing with Bob, and I loved that for a change it was the son holding Mr Muggles in the background.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
Doesn't Peter understand that stopping the Shanti virus means his girlfriend will cease to exist? It'll obliterate the timeline he left her in. He'll never be able to get back, because there'll be nowhere to get back to.
[ November 27, 2007, 08:20 AM: Message edited by: Lisa ]
Posted by sylvrdragon (Member # 3332) on :
It still pisses me off how ignorant Peter and Hiro are about using Hiro's power... I mean, sure, Peter can remain active when Hiro stops time, but Hiro should have just warped over to Adam, took off his head, and warped somewhere else (preferably taking Adam's head with him). Neither one of them STILL knows how to properly use that ability. (of course... if they did, then the season would be like 1 episode of them saving the day in a single afternoon, but whatever) Argh, OSC has me spoiled... I keep expecting super intelligent characters in everything I read or watch. At least House and Dexter don't disappoint.
I personally can't wait till Sylar gets his abilities back. He was the most interesting villain in the show.
The Monica/Micah story-line is as boring as ever. Monica obviously doesn't take her power seriously enough. If I had that power, I would be learning for a few weeks straight before I even left the house again.
I wonder if Bob knows that Mohinder saved Noah? I assume that he knows SOMETHING if he went through the trouble to come up with fake ashes. *gasp* I know! He cremated Noah AFTER the revival scene!
Noah: I'm not quite dead yet. Mohinder: You hear that? He says he's not dead. Bob: Sure he is, he'll be stone dead in a moment. Noah: I'm getting better, I think I'll go for a walk! Mohinder: Well, I can't very well take him like THAT. Bob: Isn't there something you can do? Noah: I feel happy! I feel hap-- *THWACK* Mohinder: Right. Off we go then.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
It's so obvious that they needed to draw this out more. Episode after episode of show buildup and then BOOM! A writers strike. The network would have been better off postponing the show until they worked things out with the writers.
This episode was a whirlwind. On the one hand, I can't complain about it going slow, but on the other, I can complain -- and will!
First, and most importantly....HIRO vs. PETER is the LAMEST thing in the world! Give me a break. "I am here to avenge my father." Bull crap. He just told Ando all about Adam releasing the virus and he couldn't be bothered to mention that to Peter?
Second, the twins...UGH! A sorry climax to a sorry story. At least one of them is dead. Hope the other one dies too.
And why did we all of a sudden have to start something in New Orleans? It's not like there isn't enough to tie up next week. If you're suddenly finishing a show in half the episodes you had planned, it's ok to drop a character....really. If it comes back next year, she can kick ass then.
I have a feeling this season is going to be a total wash and I'm not sure if it's coming back next year. Does anyone know? I've heard rumors that it's getting canceled permanently. The way they are handling the conclusion suggests that may be true, but it's a shame. There's so little worth watching and they really coulda done something with this.
Oh, and my picks for dead heroes:
Nikki Girl twin
(Or maybe I'm just hoping...if Hiro dies I'm boycotting the show permanently.)
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
Well, it's not like Peter would believe Hiro - Peter certainly didn't believe Victoria when she decried Adam. Sure, he lost his memory, but seriously! Adam just shot Victoria - doesn't that induce a bit of suspicion? At all? No?
Oh, well.
I agree - if Hiro dies, the show's over for me. Noah's "death" was bad enough. I liked Monica up until she got caught; then I thought she was a bit stupid.
I'm STILL WAITING for the teased scene where Mohinder walks into his apartment and Sylar says "Welcome home, Mohinder." Even though that phone call was almost entirely made of awesome, Sylar being reintroduced like that would have been even better.
I've heard no news of Heroes' continuation or lack thereof. Chuck and Life just got picked up for a full year (provided there are writers to actually, you know, write the episodes), so NBC is doing something with their shows.
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
The points Mohinder made about security were disturbingly accurate.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
I was half expecting Mohinder to tell Noah that killing him had just been a ploy to make sure the company really trusted him and thus further his infiltration. But nope. He's just a stupid company tool now. And Peter is just as stupid. Really, how many people need to tell him that Adam's evil before he decides to stop and listen?
Posted by SC Carver (Member # 8173) on :
How did Peter not figure out Adam is trying to release the virus?
It has been locked up safely for thirty years. Peter learns its going to be released the day he and Adam are going to find it. Coincidence? Then the woman who created it says Adam was trying to release it before and he shoots her for saying it.
Who doesn't put two and two together and figure out Adam is the one who releases it and you are the idiot who lead him to it.
Posted by Avatar300 (Member # 5108) on :
He doesn't even need to do any math, he just needs to use his powers to read Adam's mind.
Posted by sylvrdragon (Member # 3332) on :
quote:Originally posted by Avatar300: He doesn't even need to do any math, he just needs to use his powers to read Adam's mind.
I rest my case. (Mis-/non- use of powers)
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
quote:Originally posted by Carrie: Well, it's not like Peter would believe Hiro - Peter certainly didn't believe Victoria when she decried Adam. Sure, he lost his memory, but seriously! Adam just shot Victoria - doesn't that induce a bit of suspicion? At all? No?
First, Peter was predisposed to distrust Victoria because Adam told him she was responsible for the virus in the first place and implied that she was the one who had evil intentions. Then, Victoria didn't exactly come straight out and tell Peter what happened last time -- that Adam was the one to release the virus. She just said he was planning to do it this time, all the while waving a gun like a lunatic, shooting at everything with legs, and suggesting that Peter was just as evil as Adam.
I think Peter would take Hiro seriously. Unlike Victoria, Peter and Hiro have history and Peter has cause to trust Hiro.
Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
Yeah, seriously. Peter and Hiro have literally all the time in the world to talk about this, and yet they resort to violence within 10 seconds of meeting? And yeah, when Peter read Victoria's mind, I was expecting him to read Adam's, too. Duh.
At the very least, Hiro could convince Peter by taking him back to 1977 and showing him what Adam did.
Maybe Peter is assuming that if he destroys the timeline his girlfriend is in, she'll just pop back into the past? Or that the future she's in will just change around her, leaving her alive and retrievable but in no danger from the virus?
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
Peter and Mohinder are to use the phrase I like, kites in the wind. Whichever strong will is behind them huffing and puffing is the will that's going to exert the most control of anyone, including themselves, over their actions.
Now, with Peter it's not as bad. In the first season, he got caught up in a hurricane-NYC being `sploded. Most anyone would start charting their lives on that course once they heard about it, and believed in it.
Mohinder, on the other hand...first it's about proving Daddy wrong. Or right. Then it's about saving the world, and whichever marginally trustworthy figure comes along, BAM! They're right, he joins up.
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Killing Claire or Adam would be extremely simple: incapacitate and then drown them. Unless they manage to somehow grow gills while they're underwater, their bodies will within minutes cease getting their most important resources. Keep them underwater without oxygen for long enough for their bodies to start rotting-which would have to happen, because without oxygen, nothing works.
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
Obviously Peter has absorbed Mohinder's ability of being criminally oblivious.
Posted by SC Carver (Member # 8173) on :
I think Peter has to consciously decide to use his powers. He has only had his memory back for a short time and it seems it has not fully returned. Besides, I am sure the writers will say Adam has learned to hide his thoughts over the years so mind readers can't get to him. He could think in Japanese.
As far as him using his all of his power to their full extent I imagine it would take a long time and a lot of practice to master all of them. Just because you have a sword doesn't mean you’re a ninja. So I am not too hard on him for not using them instinctively. If he was able to use all of his absorbed powers intuitively he would be invincible, godlike, and boring. I can’t remember the entire list but it includes, flight, cellular regeneration, invisibility, mind reading, telekinesis, super strength, time and space travel, painting the future, nuclear blast, possibly walking through walks and talking to computers… Once mastered what couldn’t he do? All of those power working in tandem.
Can Peter use more than one power at a time?
What happens when he remembers the nuclear power? Will he have to learn to control it again?
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
No, he remained immune to Hiro's ability without even realizing it was being used.
But since he can't exactly be immune to stopped time, that must mean he exited time as well, without consciously doing it. But that kind of thinking credits too much to this season of Heroes, I think.
quote:If he was able to use all of his absorbed powers intuitively he would be invincible, godlike, and boring.
Treating it like the elephant in the room is just as bad: irritating.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
quote:Originally posted by SC Carver: Just because you have a sword doesn't mean you’re a ninja.
Sure it does. Just ask Hiro. (Ninja, samurai . . . whatever.)
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
quote:Can Peter use more than one power at a time?
- He's used more than one power at once on several occasions.
- Even discounting the general power creep which have dissolved most of the previous inhibitions on his power use, he's used more than one power at once on several occasions.
- He's already got several passive abilities that are essentially always on anyway
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
Can you remind me of when, Samp? I can't come up with Peter doing two things at once off the top of my head.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
In Kindred, Peter was able to pin Will to the wall with telekinesis while he healed.
Posted by Glenn Arnold (Member # 3192) on :
quote:No, he remained immune to Hiro's ability without even realizing it was being used.
But he was in Hiro's presence when he did. That's the way he gains powers after all, without being aware of them until they manifest themselves. I don't think he has an immunity to Hiro's power so much as that Hiro's presence induces the same power in Peter, so they essentially cancel each other out.
Kring says that according to his rules, Peter can only use one power at a time. But he also recognises that some mistakes have slipped through in editing the pieces together.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
Kring's rules have been subject to spontaneous revision since the start and nearly all the rules regarding what Peter can and can not do were bled away rather fast. What we have left after the power creep is a character who is much more powerful than any primary antagonist in practice.
This is fine until it ends up being a corner that the writers have to constantly write themselves out of. I am looking forward to the multiple ways that Peter has to be conveniently depowered to maintain dramatic narrative!
We have already seen 'power-shutter-off pills™' and if the poor sod is unlucky enough he might end up like Professor X, who manages to get knocked out by stray debris immediately prior to any incredible conflict that he could have otherwise just ended summarily by shutting every opponent's brains off within a fifty mile radius.
I love it, it's like comic books on screen.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Interesting episode.
Can't say I'm at all a fan of Peter vs. Hiro, or of how incredibly stupid Peter is being, but whatever, I still think this will resolve itself alright.
I've seen absolutely nothing, not even rumors, that say Heroes won't be picked up next year, and frankly I'd be extremely surprised if that were the case. Ratings may have dropped off since last year, but they still dominate Monday nights.
Question though, what do you think Elle will do in the last episode?
Also, does anyone have a link for where I can watch the preview for next week? I had to watch last night's online.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
"This is fine until it ends up being a corner that the writers have to constantly write themselves out of. I am looking forward to the multiple ways that Peter has to be conveniently depowered to maintain dramatic narrative!"
They already found away around it. They gave him permanent brain damage that can't be healed, thus making him an idiot.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Hey I just went back and read some of the comics that go along with the show. The one for the week where Peter finds the Virus features a Homeland Security agent who goes to Detroit to find a refugee camp, more or less, which is at a High School outside of Detroit. I went to a high school outside of Detroit, it could have been where the evacuation was!
I wonder if they chose it because Kristen Bell went to school in a high school outside of Detroit, just across town from me as a matter of fact.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
quote:Obviously Peter has absorbed Mohinder's ability of being criminally oblivious.
I, personally, love this and intend to use it.
Posted by sylvrdragon (Member # 3332) on :
Three possibilities in light of Kring's "Peter rule". Either stopping time is like a toggle (no effort to maintain), passive abilities don't count, or it was an oversight, cause just in this episode, he's got a lightning bolt in his hand while stopped in time.
O.o That would be awesome if time stayed stopped regardless of concentration. I would totally stop time every time I wanted to sleep. You wouldn't sleep any more of your time away.
Hmm, a list of Peter's current powers:
Telekinesis Time&Space Regeneration Mind Reading etc. Ice (Sylar had already had this one when he met Peter, though I don't think Peter even knows about it) Lightning Radiation/Nukey nukey Invisibility Flight Phase through objects Duveax's power, whatever that is Angela Petrelli's power Painting the Future Strength Yakamura the Older's power (forgot his first name) Transmute to Gold
Other possible powers:
Voice of command (did he ever meet that girl from the first season before she died?) Talk to machines Illusion (once again, did he ever meet her?) Healing (depending on if he met Linderman as a kid (I think it mentioned that he did) and if he could absorb then) Memory manipulation/power dampening (not sure if the Haitian's power would prevent him from acquiring it or not)
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Nakamura, and his first name is Kaito.
Posted by sylvrdragon (Member # 3332) on :
Oh, almost forgot. Another thing that annoys me. How the hell does Adam know that losing your head means no coming back? It's not like it's HAPPENED to him before.
I suppose their is the possibility that either Adam has met other Regenerates (very very doubtful) or maybe he just said that to justify shooting Victoria. But if b, then that just makes Peter that much dumber for not asking himself the same thing that I just did: How do YOU know that?!? I seriously doubt either of the above scenarios are very likely, because Victoria (for some strange reason) had the same idea that no head = permanently dead for immortals.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Given the comics, and his 400 year search for another immortal, I wouldn't be surprised.
Besides, it's not like there's no precedent.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
Can you link me to the comic of this 400 year search?
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
" * It is unclear how Peter can scar since he has absorbed Claire's spontaneous regeneration. Writers Joe Pokaski and Aron Coleite said about Peter's scar, "First, it is not a mistake, Peter can regenerate, but he still has the scar. Secondly, we'll show you how later on in the series. We promise." " That is from Heroes Wiki.
Could the bout with Hiro be how?
Edit: I accidentally wrote hero instead of Hiro...
[ November 28, 2007, 02:47 PM: Message edited by: JonHecht ]
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
quote:Originally posted by JonHecht: Can you link me to the comic of this 400 year search?
The NBC website has them, but usually I go to Wikipedia where I think they are easier to find. The most recent two comics show Adam Monroe in Revolutionary War era America as a mercenary working for the British. He describes himself as a God who can live forever, and he's searching for another like him. He thinks he's found someone like that, but it turns out he's actually a guy who can create endless multiples of himself, and Monroe sets about an extremely long task of killing them all, until he suspects he's actually the one being hunted. It ends with the doubles knocking him off a cliff and he questions what he's doing. So, he might have called off the search after that, but it means he's been looking for at least some part of 200 years.
The comics are pretty cool actually. If the show ended and the comics continued, I'd actually consider buying them.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
They actually just put out a collection of the Heroes online comics.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
What I'd really like to know is....Is this it for Heroes? Are we done after Monday night? Or is the show coming back...either in January or next fall?
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Where have you heard anything that indicates it won't be coming back next fall?
I think when it comes back depends entirely on the writers' strike. When they're done, the show will be back on. At the very least they'll finish out the season, which NBC has already put in a full order for, and if they finish it out as strong as it has been lately, I'd forecast a ratings bump from the relatively small dropoff that's been seen this season.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
Well, next episode is being advertised as the "Heroes Finale" -- not the season finale or a last episode before a winter break...the finale. It looks like they plan to tie up all the major plot threads very quickly (a little took quickly...they really could use more time to play out properly). I have also heard unsubstantiated rumors that the show is not coming back at all. That's why I'm trying to find out the truth...if NBC knows or is sharing the truth with us, that is. Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Hm. This is the first I'm hearing of it, and I'm not at all worried by the advertising. Frankly if it was the SERIES finale, I think they'd make a special point of advertising it, as most every show I've ever seen has done for their finales.
Tim Kring in interviews has said that this will be the finale for this season, and was rewritten specifically for that purpose. I think they're looking more for a soft reset, and to move onto the next plot arc.
Could you link to the rumors? I'm curious as to what they are saying, but still, I doubt it. It had the best debut for an NBC show EVER last year and was their top rated show last season, and it's ratings have dropped off 15% this year from last year, but for a show that had more than 14 million regular viewers, that's not ridiculously bad. A show with even 13 million viewers in an established audience I'd think is an automatic renewal. Besides, international ratings actually add several million more viewers, and DVD sales are bringing in mega dollars.
They aren't going anywhere.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
I have no links...the rumors I have heard were in real life. I browsed the Heroes message boards and people were asking when it was coming back, but with no conclusive answer.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
That is because of the strike.
Posted by solo (Member # 3148) on :
I heard before this season started that the Generations storyline was only ever intended to be the first half (10 episodes or so) of the season so I don't think that this finale is indicative of any plans of cancellation. They did scrap the Origins spin-off (planned mid-season replacement) due to the writers strike though.
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
That was fantastic.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
Awesome.
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
Also, Hiro wins the season.
Posted by scholar (Member # 9232) on :
But doesn't Hiro win every episode he is in?
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
So, Adam is still alive for the foreseeable future and can return -- and he'll be peeved, and we didn't actually see Nikki die. Wonder where they plan to go with these characters.
Best part of the ep: Hiro and Peter actually talking, at least a little bit, before getting violent. Still don't know why they didn't just both jump to, say, an outdoor cafe in 1928 and talk it over.
And isn't Peter's girlfriend gone now? He jumped to a future, with her, and left her there. Then he changed that future. So where is she? Or when? My best guess, using this show's previous time jumping as a guide, is that she'll suddenly appear in a non-diseased NY street 10 years from now. So maybe Peter can go get her.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
Some Thoughts:
Anybody notice that Sylar was trying to grab a can of spinach at the end of the episode.
Also did anybody else cheer when that room containing Niki exploded?
Why didn't Peter just walk through the bolted door instead of trying to rip it off its' hinges?
Won't Adam die of starvation if not asphyxiation in that coffin? Is there room enough for Hiro to get them both inside and then leave?
Why is it that when people want to kill Sylar they have to yell out his name and THEN attack? I mean do they feel obligated to give him a chance to defend himself?
Did NOT see the whole, "Nathan gets two in the chest" deal. I can't believe an assassin could do that in a police station and then just casually walk out without anyone even looking at him.
So we are basically back to Season 1? Sylar goes around killing heroes and finding ones we've yet to see and gets more powerful?
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
I didn't expect the gunshots, but I expected Nathan would be killed before he could reveal anything. I somewhat expected Elle to go, trying once more to please Daddy by getting rid of any possible leaks.
I just wish we had a set date for Heroes return. I liked the ending, but it's like Season 1 in that it left me wanting more.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
Unfortunately, Hiro does not win the season, because once again his do-gooding ways have royally screwed the rest of, well, everyone.
For one thing, burying Adam in a public cemetary. That's just freakin' stupid. Take him out into the Nevada desert where Fosset was lost, and spend three weeks in stopped time digging a pit thirty feet deep, and then bury him in a ceramic coffin, which won't show on metal detectors. Barring that, drop him into a volcano, or hitch a ride to the space station and drop him, or just cut off is head, or at least stick a knife into his brain.
I was surprised at how many of the cliffhangers, weren't. Peter Petrelli can easily save Nathan Petrelli, and in fact it would totally fit into their original plan of a press conference. Open Nathan's wrist, open Nathan's major not-instantly healing artery, BAM. Healed.
Totally forgot about the wall-walking thing, heh.
I wonder how long it'll take people to re-find Sylar? They've got Molly.
Loved the spinach thing. I would've liked Sylar much more had he said, "Strong to the finich."
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Loved the ending tonight. I think it would have been cooler if Nathan had gotten the chance to reveal the secret to the world, but I bet that'll happen soon enough anyways.
I can see Nathan being healed, but I think Nikki is gone for good. Adam is likely gone for quite some time, but I don't know if that will kill him or not. His body can regenerate from damage, but on some level, doesn't he still need the basic building blocks of life (food, water, air) for his cells to do the things they do? I don't know. But I imagine if he ever gets out again, he's going to be PISSED.
I liked that Elle seems to be on a path to redemption, that Noah was reunited with his family, that Nikki died, that Peter finally saw the error of his ways and united with Nathan and Matt. I liked pretty much everything about this episode. Sylar is back, but with Molly on their side, information seemingly on their side, and being much more united, I'd say things are totally different now.
I think it ended strongly, and I'm really looking forward to Season 2.5 or 3.0 or whatever we get
Posted by Elmer's Glue (Member # 9313) on :
I don't think Peter's blood can heal Nathan. I loved the Spinach thing, too bad Sylar didn't get the joke and say a cool line. Good riddance to Nikki. I'm really pissed that Peter didn't save Caitlyn. I thought it would have been great if while Peter is trying to rip off the door Adam says something like "while we're young..." It made sense that Adam didn't seem that angry about Hiro. 400 years seems like the grudge would go away. Of course now he is going to be super pissed.
Posted by EmpSquared (Member # 10890) on :
Saw the shots coming. Saw it coming the moment Nathan formulated the plan in the vault. Something about the way they were building the momentum made me think they were going to hit the brakes pretty hard.
And I don't think Sylar's going to be handled the same way as in season 1. He's either going to crave power and become dangerous on a global scale, or the writers are going to do something much harder and seek redemption for his character.
Nathan and Nikki are both dead. If they revive Nathan after Noah and Maya, it would lessen the impact of a character dying on the show. Not that they treat deaths differently in comic books, where characters resurrect all the time, but it's still a comic book-influenced TV show. Not a comic.
Posted by LadyDove (Member # 3000) on :
I think that Nikki is gone for good. Between the explosion and the lack of an antidote, I think that the writers cut off her path of re-entry. I expected her to be cut. Her character had only physical abilities. Without the angst of the struggle between good and bad and the lack of a love interest, her character had become pretty boring IMO. Mica's cousin can fill-in on the physical ability side and is in a position to nurture Mica.
Posted by Elmer's Glue (Member # 9313) on :
Noah got shot in the eye. That's pretty much a guarantee that the bullet went in his brain. He was healed, so I think Adam and Claire would come back too.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Yeah, that whole bullet directly into the brain thing sort of threw me too. Adam said the only thing to stop them was having their heads cut off, but now a bullet to the brain does it?
Maybe it does, and Noah wasn't shot direct enough.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
I don't think you understand. When someone with that power is shot in the head all of their blood, the thing which allows them to heal, evaporates.
Posted by Elmer's Glue (Member # 9313) on :
Then how is their blood able to heal other people? It made sense back when they could only heal themselves, but not anymore.
Posted by LadyDove (Member # 3000) on :
Peter was "dead" in season 1 while the piece of glass was in his brain.
Posted by Mucus (Member # 9735) on :
1) So the male twin died randomly to generate angst and the female twin got shot and healed. Wee. That was so worth it...
2) The ending is a bit odd, so is the gunshot supposed to intimidate them from speaking out? Presumably the assassin is from the company due to the camera in the vault and the phone call, but how does that stop much? Both Peter and Matt still have abilities...
3) I think the head thing would not be too difficult to rationalise. Something like, Claire was still in her "dead" state with a branch in her head. Presumably the bullet in the head would put either Adam or Peter in that state after which they could be finished off using more conventional means.
Posted by AvidReader (Member # 6007) on :
Or Mama Patrelli was saving her boy. Maybe a bullet in the head will stop him but allow him to heal.
I'm not thrilled with Noah going back to the Company, but I think it was a dumb move on Bob's part. He may have just handed Noah the key to the Company's destruction. I loved Elle's reaction to Mohinder saying she'd saved them all. I have hope for her next season.
Overall, I'm glad I watched this and will catch Tin Man on rerun tonight. It was actually worth it. Hooray writers!
Posted by 0Megabyte (Member # 8624) on :
Can't wait for Volume III: Villians.
Should be interesting.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn: Yeah, that whole bullet directly into the brain thing sort of threw me too. Adam said the only thing to stop them was having their heads cut off, but now a bullet to the brain does it?
Not a bullet. A shotgun blast. Obliterate the head and there's no coming back.
Posted by cmc (Member # 9549) on :
My first thought at the end of the show last night was - this adds a whole new dimension to 'Can't wait 'til '08'. *insert mischievous grin here*
Niki probably will be gone - leaving Micah room to be pissed that both of his parents are now gone. He'll hold on to the medal forevah and will stay with his cousin. They'll be best buds 'til the end of time and someday some villain will come and try to hurt her and Micah will get really mad (maybe even have to come out of retirement after he's settled down with a fam, pissing off his wife who will no doubt know the secret and making his kids think he's even more cool than they already did) and have to come to her rescue. Shoot - it might even be red van driving dinkleberry. Good-bye, Niki - Hello, Crime-Fighter Extraordinaire Micah.
Mucus - you made me chuckle with that first point. Quality. ; )
Pretty sure Nathan's gone. Petrelli for President will have to wait a few more years... Peter'll probably be the uber-tortured guy (as if he weren't already) and pull a Rogue and try to get rid of his powers (which will only work for a few years, of course, and then he'll probably just go be a teacher somewhere, showing people how to properly use their powers and how to tell when someone's absolutely just saying what they know you want to hear as a means to their own deviant end) because he's pissed at him self for falling for Adam's chicanery. It'll all work out in the end for Pete, I do believe.
Adam's done. Hiro's got his ancestors watching over him. Buh-bye, evil mean self-serving nobody even LIKES you anyway jerk of the centuries. Ha-ha Hiro got your butt. Rest in Torment!! That's what you get when you try to be God.
Sylar is not a nice man at all, IMHO. I think he'll be the guy that's constantly loosing his powers and searching for the blood that will get them back. He'll probably wind up destroying himself before too long, though.
That's about all I've got for now in terms of ideas on the Heroes.
~cmc
Posted by JoeH (Member # 5958) on :
That was a great show. Glad to see confirmation that Mama Petrelli is a really, really bad person. Although Mohinder still annoys me, I liked Mohinder's observation that the Company must have injected Sylar. I found it odd that Nikki would be the one physically saving Mica's cousin. I suspected something might happen to prevent the guys from exposing the Company, but had no idea it would be two bullets to the chest.
Posted by sylvrdragon (Member # 3332) on :
I'm fairly certain that is was Noah that shot Nathan. The shooter turns his head twice as he was walking away and it appears that he has glasses on. Unfortunately, Winamp doesn't have a frame-by-frame function, so I had to rely on pausing at the right times, but I would almost bet on it being Noah.
Words cannot express how happy I was when Hiro teleported in his fray with Peter. Several times even. It brought a tear of joy to my eye. I agree that he could have found a better place to store Adam. As big of a nerd as Hiro is, I'm really disappointed that he doesn't up with better ways to do things. Of course... if I had Hiro's power, I would probably just keep putting Adam in weird places and seeing how long it takes him to get back; like the top of Everest, bottom of the ocean, middle of the Sahara, Antarctica, etc.
Why must Peter get dumber ever episode? First off, as was stated above, why didn't he just walk through the door? I mean wtf. He didn't actually NEED Adam for ANYTHING once he knew where the vault was. It was a simple solution to ALL of the problems. All Peter had to do was let Adam take him to the vault and say "Everyone tells me not to trust you, so I'll take care of the virus from here", then walk through, destroy it, come out to a raving Adam and realize that he had been duped.
Maybe, just maybe that was what they were originally going to do before they were forced to modify it for the season finale. Maybe they just needed a reason for Nathan to be caught on camera talking about taking out the company for the sake of ending the season. I'll admit that would have a bit harder to pull off in a believable way if they'd gone with MY version, but this version cost Peter what little respectability he had left (from the fans).
Also note that Sylar may very well have Illusion girl's power now. I have a theory that Sylar's power is actually just the ability to alter his own brain; and the reason for the whole head-choppy thing is so he can see how it works with his own eyes. As such, it may very well be possible that he could still LEARN powers while he had the virus, just not USE them. Point being, if he DOES have the power of illusion, then he might be able to throw off Molly's ability seeing as how she needs a visual of the person to find them. Even if it goes through that, Sylar can likely lose them in a crowd if Molly isn't WITH them.
Which brings me to my next question. Does Molly recognize Sylar? He is the boogey man after all. The one that killed her parents and that Suresh and Matt promised her was gone. I'm rather surprised she wasn't more afraid than she showed considering that he once came after her. Also, I wonder if Sylar recognized HER.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
Re: Noah and still working to destroy the Company...
I just don't know. So far as we can tell, Noah's goals have now been completely met. I say 'goals' when it should be 'goal', it's not really a list. So long as his family is protected and the Company remains able to believably threaten them if he starts going off the reservation, I predict Noah will toe the party line with his usual degree of successful ruthlessness.
I don't see how Sylar's power could possibly involve his eyes. You don't understand brain chemistry by looking at a brain, unless his power includes some sort of magic eyesight.
Posted by jeniwren (Member # 2002) on :
I think it ended as well as could be expected, given how stupid last week's episode was.
But I was not happy that they've set Sylar up to be the villian again next season. As a bad guy, he's DULL. Give me Serenity's villian any day, where the tension is in obsessive belief in something bigger and better than himself. That makes the villian someone you can almost understand and see as just a guy with a fatal flaw. You almost want to root for him.
And I never did get Adam. He felt THAT betrayed by a KISS? Uh, seems a little excessive to me. And I didn't like that Hiro was that bent on revenge. What he did to Adam was pretty hideous.
Should be an interesting 2.5 season. Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
So basically you are saying that he killed his daughter's father?
" He felt THAT betrayed by a KISS?"
Uh, you know. The moral values were different back then, that was like Hiro making love to her in front of him. Ya know.
"What he did to Adam was pretty hideous."
Adam needed to be taken care of, and Hiro said that he can't kill anyone. That seemed like the only possible method.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by JonHecht: So basically you are saying that he killed his daughter's father?
" He felt THAT betrayed by a KISS?"
Uh, you know. The moral values were different back then, that was like Hiro making love to her in front of him. Ya know.
There's that, yes. But it was a lot more than that, I think. Adam was actually looking up to Hiro as a role model. For all that he was flip with him, he must have seen Hiro as his own personal zen master. And then Hiro kissed the woman whom Hiro himself had said belonged with Adam. Huge betrayal, there.
Posted by Glenn Arnold (Member # 3192) on :
quote:I don't see how Sylar's power could possibly involve his eyes. You don't understand brain chemistry by looking at a brain, unless his power includes some sort of magic eyesight.
Sylar has said repeatedly "I see how it works." How he sees it is left to question, but it's clear that he learns his new abilities, rather than merely acquiring them. And the issue of healing coming from the brain also indicates that these abilities are somehow learned. I wonder, if Sylar wanted to, could he teach any of the heros to learn different abilities? It makes sense to me that all these abilities are a result of the same mutation.
I thought it was appropriate that Sylar "shot up" like an addict while lying in an alleyway. Yes I think Noah shot Nathan. I also think Hiro is horrified at what he did to Adam, and may do something to rectify it, thus releasing Adam again.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Tim Kring has said before that Sylar eats the brains.
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
quote:Originally posted by sylvrdragon: I'm fairly certain that is was Noah that shot Nathan. The shooter turns his head twice as he was walking away and it appears that he has glasses on. Unfortunately, Winamp doesn't have a frame-by-frame function, so I had to rely on pausing at the right times, but I would almost bet on it being Noah.
As soon as I saw Nathan crumple from bullet wounds, I thought that Noah was the one who made the shots. I said to my wife, "Noah shot him...just wait for the reveal!" Little did I know that we wouldn't get absolute confirmation of this until who knows when. I was expecting it to be around 30 seconds.
Much of my thoughts echo those of previous posters. Let me add that I was incredibly frustrated when Peter confronted Adam about his true intentions and Peter didn't just...say...read his mind.
Ah well.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
Oh please let Nikki be permanently dead!!!!
I cheered when girl twin died, but then she came back, so now I'm not convinced anyone is really dead. I'm especially not convinced about Nathan, since Peter's blood can cure him and is readily available. Not that Nathan dying is a deal breaker, but he was just starting to become a real good guy.
I liked what they did with Elle. I thought they were just going to make her another random psycho but she's really transformed and even has the potential for good.
Adam is DEFINITELY coming back and man will he be PISSED! I think that's about the dumbest thing Hiro has ever done. But Hiro still kicks butt!
Sigh...Syler is back. Did anyone doubt it? That guy isn't even that smart. I don't get it.
I thought Claire wanting to tell the world was REALLY stupid and then Nathan went to do it...guess it runs in the family?
I did manage to feel bad for the kid -- whatshisname? Nikki's son. I definitely wanted Nikki to die but he's minus two parents now.
All in all, a pretty good episode that wrapped up the season better than i expected. Not perfect, but good.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
quote:Sigh...Syler is back. Did anyone doubt it? That guy isn't even that smart. I don't get it.
He might not have raw intelligence like some people, but I've yet to see anyone on the show exhibit more guile and cunning than him. He's a master manipulator.
Besides, they still haven't introduced the new bad guy yet, they need a segue villain.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
He's really not, though. He's just fortunate in his enemies. I mean, seriously, there's been at least a half-dozen times I can think of where the fact that the people after him were a bunch of chumps is the only thing that saved his freaky eyebrow ass.
Noah, in particular. A-list in terms of ruthlessness and cleverness, and it was orders from the top that saved Sylar, and nothing else.
Posted by Papa Moose (Member # 1992) on :
I usually don't post here, because by the time I watch the show the conversation has moved well beyond it (or onto the online comics, which I've never looked at). But I saw something and haven't seen it mentioned.
How many of the things in that vault have been referenced before? I ask because I noticed the squiggle-bladed knife in the vault that was in the hand of the superhero (ur-Monica) on the cover of the comic. I didn't pay much attention to what else was in the vault (except the brain -- was it real and will Sylar eventually find this and will it be majorly problematic?) -- did anyone else notice stuff in there?
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
quote:Originally posted by Rakeesh: He's really not, though. He's just fortunate in his enemies. I mean, seriously, there's been at least a half-dozen times I can think of where the fact that the people after him were a bunch of chumps is the only thing that saved his freaky eyebrow ass.
Noah, in particular. A-list in terms of ruthlessness and cleverness, and it was orders from the top that saved Sylar, and nothing else.
Okay, I'll give you that, he HAS been saved by luckily stupid enemies, but he's still good, villain good anyways, at manipulating people.
PM -
I DID see some of the stuff in there, but I can't recall off the top of my head seeing any of it mentioned. I'm waiting for a list to pop up online. This is what fanboys are for Posted by AvidReader (Member # 6007) on :
I saw the playing cards and hoped for a wild moment that we'll get a Gambit character next season.
So does this leave Mama Petrelli and Bob as the only original Heroes, or do you think there will be more? I'm short 5 names, unless they showed up in the comics.
Posted by erosomniac (Member # 6834) on :
quote:Originally posted by Christine: What I'd really like to know is....Is this it for Heroes? Are we done after Monday night?
We can only hope.
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
I saw the playing cards too and had the same reaction. Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by AvidReader: I saw the playing cards and hoped for a wild moment that we'll get a Gambit character next season.
So does this leave Mama Petrelli and Bob as the only original Heroes, or do you think there will be more? I'm short 5 names, unless they showed up in the comics.
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Posted by AvidReader (Member # 6007) on :
I was counting both Petrellis, Bob, Linderman, Deveaux, Nakamura, Parkman's dad, and Victoria. Ok, four left. I was never good at basic math.
I don't recognize the other names, but I wonder if Carlos Mendez was Isaac's father.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
quote:Originally posted by erosomniac:
quote:Originally posted by Christine: What I'd really like to know is....Is this it for Heroes? Are we done after Monday night?
We can only hope.
I hope it comes back, but I did notice that while they left an opening for left year, they also came to enough of a conclusion that they can end it right now.
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
I hate how we still have no idea what any of their powers are or were.
Posted by erosomniac (Member # 6834) on :
I'm really hoping they quit while they're behind. The show has gotten progressively worse in large steps, not small ones. My coworkers all watched it faithfully through last night's episode after I'd abandoned it and they told me it looked like it might've been getting better four or five episodes ago, but that after the last few they've said they're going to actively struggle to get people to stop watching the show. They are so angry and disappointed. I'm glad I quit when I did.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Dude, they said "Returning in 2008."
It's coming back, and I'm glad. I think it's always been good, though it's come down from awesomely great, but in the last few episodes it's really gone back uphill, I think ending very strongly.
Posted by erosomniac (Member # 6834) on :
The writers' strike could go on through '08. I'm hoping that happens, too.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I'd be surprised if it lasted ALL of 2008. At the latest I'd say it'll go to June or so. When all of Hollywood shuts down, the studios will deal.
But I can't say I care about most else of television. Other than wanting to see the end of BSG, the only other show I watch is Stargate Atlantis, and it has an almost all Canadian writing staff.
[Edited for typo. Sorry Blayne. ]
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Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
I don't understand what the Producers think will happen. Do they expect the writers to crack?
Posted by cmc (Member # 9549) on :
Lyrhawn - I'm with you on the "Dude, they said "Returning in 2008." 'Cause I'd just DIE (only a little bit, on the inside, crying silent tears) if not...
Random question... Where's Hiro's sister??
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
She was at the funeral. And I think in the comics she was getting closer to Ando.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
Dude its Canadian.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
I don't understand what people think is so bad about the show this season, especially the ones who liked it last season. In general, I found season 2 to be an improvement over season 1. It was faster paced, for one thing, which was a huge improvement over season 1. Yeah, I could nitpick, but basically the show's getting better. I mean, they killed Nikki!!!
Posted by Seatarsprayan (Member # 7634) on :
quote:I don't understand what the Producers think will happen. Do they expect the writers to crack?
I think the theory is that while the writers are on strike, they aren't getting paid. The studios probably have more money to live off than the writers, but also the studios can show re-runs, movies, news, and reality television, all things that don't require dealing with the writer's guild. (Reality TV of course has writers, but they aren't part of the writer's union.)
Eventually the writer's will have hurt enough by being out of work and eating up their savings that they will compromise or something.
I think that's what the studios think.
Posted by Slim (Member # 2334) on :
I also noticed all the other weird stuff in the vault, and wondered what it was all about. Heroes Wiki Has pictures of what was inside.
okay, some more of my thoughts:
Peter: "Caitlin, I hope she's alright, I can't believe we just left her there!" Doc: "Don't worry, she'll be fine! When you destroyed the virus from being released in 2007, the normal timeline was restored! Once you are back in 2008, all you have to do is go to her house and wake her up!" Peter: "..."
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West: "You shouldn't reveal your secret, Claire. I like having secrets. I ... I ... I love you!" Claire: "Well, I'm tired of hiding." West: "Fine, you're on your own then." Claire: "Do you have anything else to say?" West: "Yes, I certainly do. I have to go now. My planet needs me." *flies away* (Note: he died on the way back to his home planet..)
Posted by JonnyNotSoBravo (Member # 5715) on :
- Claire and West are too pretty. It's a little sickening. I was hoping West would die, but it looks like he won't. I was sad Adrian Pasdar (Nathan) died, but if you take out Nathan, that leaves only West as a flying-ability-only person, which makes him more interesting.
- The volume next season is called "Villains" (emphasis on the plural). So, it's more than just Sylar. Maybe Adam comes back, maybe Matt Parkman's dad comes back, and with the regenerative capabilities of that blood maybe even Eric Roberts' character can come come back (we don't know how long a body can be dead and still be brought back).
- I think Adam knows the history of all the contents in that vault. When he comes back, I bet he will search the vault for them.
- They could have taken care of the "why-doesn't-Peter-just-walk-through-the-vault-door" problem with a simple line by Adam. Have Peter try to walk through the door, fail, and have Adam say, "It's probably an alloy of [name of mysterious metal], which you can't phase through. Use your telekinesis."
- Hiro could have destroyed the virus at any time by going back to the vault an hour before anyone gets there, finding the virus and then dropping it into something really really hot, like a foundry, as in T2.
- Hiro (or Peter) can travel back in time and save Nikki if he feels like he should alter that history. But I hope he doesn't!
- I wish Maya had died, too. When she was shot, I was all like, "Yes!" And then she was brought back, and I was all, "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" But I must admit that I liked the kissing scene between Sylar and Maya! *singing* Sylar has a girlfriend! Sylar has a girlfriend! (remember that Sylar asked to bring her back - maybe he doesn't hate her THAT much! Or maybe he just wants the chance to eat her brain and get her power...)
Posted by docmagik (Member # 1131) on :
Peter's various powers are creating huge plot holes. They ought to have a couple of geeks on call they send scripts to who can tell them how one of Peter's other powers could have solved the problem way, way more easily than whatever power they picked.
I mean, I know this season they had him forget, so they could manifest powers as they wanted, but the minute he uttered, "I remember everything," that ended.
Posted by Seatarsprayan (Member # 7634) on :
Ever read The Neverending Story? Every time Bastian made a wish, he lost some of his memory?
I think for every power Peter acquires, he gets just that much dumber.
Honestly, if they just wrote into the show itself that the more you use your powers, the dumber you get, it would improve it so much!
It would explain Hiro.
It would explain Peter.
It would explain why Bennett seems like the only smart character: he has no powers.
But it would also mean that Mohinder must have a lot of powers we don't know about. Because he's been stooopid this season.
Posted by JonnyNotSoBravo (Member # 5715) on :
His blood has the power to heal the unmutated Shanti virus, which has been used a lot this season...
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
quote:Originally posted by JonnyNotSoBravo: - Claire and West are too pretty. It's a little sickening. I was hoping West would die, but it looks like he won't. I was sad Adrian Pasdar (Nathan) died, but if you take out Nathan, that leaves only West as a flying-ability-only person, which makes him more interesting.
I still think Nathan may not be dead. Peter's blood is readily available and could heal him. I was kind of sad to see him go. It's not deal-breaker (I would stop watching if Hiro died) but it made me sad.
quote:- The volume next season is called "Villains" (emphasis on the plural). So, it's more than just Sylar. Maybe Adam comes back, maybe Matt Parkman's dad comes back, and with the regenerative capabilities of that blood maybe even Eric Roberts' character can come come back (we don't know how long a body can be dead and still be brought back).
We've got Syler, Bob, Mrs. Patrelli (who killed her own son), Adam, Matt's dad, Matt (he's always had a dark side...he could go either way), and who knows what new characters.
quote: - They could have taken care of the "why-doesn't-Peter-just-walk-through-the-vault-door" problem with a simple line by Adam. Have Peter try to walk through the door, fail, and have Adam say, "It's probably an alloy of [name of mysterious metal], which you can't phase through. Use your telekinesis."
I was trying to remember if Peter could walk through walls or not. Has he done this at any point in the show? I know he saw DL very briefly at the end of last season, but he didn't even see DL use his powers. I'm not clear on whether he has to see a character use their powers in order to absorb them. He probably has to see them use the power in order to know he has it, though.
quote:- Hiro could have destroyed the virus at any time by going back to the vault an hour before anyone gets there, finding the virus and then dropping it into something really really hot, like a foundry, as in T2.
The problem with Hiro's character and power is that time travel is always a tricky thing to introduce. They keep trying to emphasize that he can't change the past. I think in the hands of any other character, the time travel aspect of his power would just be plain dumb, but Hiro is endearing and, after all, he was never supposed to be smart. They said in the very first episode that he was at the bottom of his class. He's like a little boy wanting to be Superman and struggling now that he's found out that he is.
quote: - I wish Maya had died, too. When she was shot, I was all like, "Yes!" And then she was brought back, and I was all, "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" But I must admit that I liked the kissing scene between Sylar and Maya! *singing* Sylar has a girlfriend! Sylar has a girlfriend! (remember that Sylar asked to bring her back - maybe he doesn't hate her THAT much! Or maybe he just wants the chance to eat her brain and get her power...)
I felt the same way! But it's also part of what made me wonder if Nathan is dead.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
quote:Originally posted by Christine: I was trying to remember if Peter could walk through walls or not. Has he done this at any point in the show? I know he saw DL very briefly at the end of last season, but he didn't even see DL use his powers.
That's how he escaped from the Company with Adam.
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
quote:I was trying to remember if Peter could walk through walls or not. Has he done this at any point in the show?
It's how he escaped with Adam.
Peter, as a god-like superhero, completely sucks at picking the appropriate power to use in any given situation (though Hiro is perhaps even worse with his). Not only could Peter have walked through the door, he also could have teleported to the other side. He'd just seen Hiro do it, so seems like it would be on his mind as something he can do too. Considering how Peter thought to read the biologist's mind, why did he never think to read Adam's?
All the characters need to read more comic books. So do the writers of the show, for that matter.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
Doh! That's right. I remember now. All right, then I really am confused why he didn't just walk through the vault. Posted by Mucus (Member # 9735) on :
Its like a micro version of the Star Trek problem. Discover any number of revolutionary technologies, forget them in the following weeks when they could help, and depict an Earth that magically remains much the same despite amazing technologies that should massively change life.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
quote:I was sad Adrian Pasdar (Nathan) died, but if you take out Nathan, that leaves only West as a flying-ability-only person, which makes him more interesting.
Except it doesn't, really. Not for me that is. It makes him more essential to the plot, perhaps, but the character himself remains unchanged. The only thing I'm interested in is if they're ever going to explore the creepy stalker angle they opened up and then ignored with him.
quote:- Hiro could have destroyed the virus at any time by going back to the vault an hour before anyone gets there, finding the virus and then dropping it into something really really hot, like a foundry, as in T2.
This is one of those strange elephants in the room in the show. I realize they alluded very briefly in season one to some sort of classic sci-fi problem involved with time traveling and being when one shouldn't, but that's it...and then in season two, Hiro basically does his damndest to throw all of that out the window with the whole feudal Japan storyline, but then goes apparently back to being worried about it by not just fixing things via time travel (not talking about his dad dying, that had a moral angle to it).
quote:Peter's various powers are creating huge plot holes. They ought to have a couple of geeks on call they send scripts to who can tell them how one of Peter's other powers could have solved the problem way, way more easily than whatever power they picked.
I liked Peter a lot more when he could just fly, or at least when he was having trouble mastering his abilities. Apparently when Peter absorbs something, he not only absorbs the power itself but all the necessary reflexes and instincts to use it. Most notably with our cop friend, who is able to be successfully repelled with his own ability seconds after using it...even though the original was easily overpowered by his father's ability.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
At first, I thought Peter could only use a power in the presence of other people with abilities. That was more interesting to me. It still made him a match for Syler, but it kept him from being TOO powerful.
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He was one of the Irish dudes who found Peter - who apparently is coming back! I love it when anyone who was on Enterprise can find more work.
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) and that was when he was only in it with a group of a few guys, so uhh.![[Blushing]](graemlins/blushing.gif)
My mind wanders to the Bad Place whenever he comes onscreen. ![[ROFL]](graemlins/rofl.gif)
![[Wave]](graemlins/wave.gif)
![[Party]](graemlins/party.gif)
![[Frown]](frown.gif)
![[Confused]](confused.gif)