I am in the middle of re-watching Heroes on DVD and a thought occurred to me. Wouldn't Hiro freeze to death if he stopped time? Heat comes from the motion of atoms...
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
Good question.
A question that I had: How can Hiro stop time whatsoever. Time is an inevitable element of nature...
Posted by MEC (Member # 2968) on :
Obviously he gets so extremely fat that he implodes and becomes a black hole, the immense gravitational pull from his new form slows down time all around him. End of discussion.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
quote:Originally posted by Phanto: Good question.
A question that I had: How can Hiro stop time whatsoever. Time is an inevitable element of nature...
It could be that he simply moves so fast that everything appears to be frozen, but that doesn't explain the other powers.
Posted by Threads (Member # 10863) on :
If he were moving that fast then he would be quite massive
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Phanto: Good question.
A question that I had: How can Hiro stop time whatsoever. Time is an inevitable element of nature...
How do you know? Also, to answer the first question, if he can include Ando with him when he stops time, surely he can include moving air and molecules.
If you're going to ask questions about the powers, the one I really have a problem with is flight. Negating gravity is one thing. But moving from a dead stop seems to be a violation of the whole equal and opposite force business.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
Obviously if Hiro is not frozen in time but his surroundings are, there couldn't be any heat transfer between Hiro and his surrounding. Heat is tranferred away from a person by two mechanisms. Convection and radiation. Convection occurs due to the random collisions of molecules. Since the molecules wouldn't be moving, no convection occurs. Radiative heat transfer occurs due to movement of photons, which also wouldn't occur.
Since people generate energy, we need to loose heat to our surroundings in order to maintain a constant body temperature. What this means is that Hiro won't freeze to death when he stops time, he will develop a high fever.
Posted by 0Megabyte (Member # 8624) on :
We're talking about superpowers.
They aren't supposed to be possible in the boring everyday physics of our world.
Of course, I really wish they had a scientist character in Heroes or a show like it, pointing out "this stuff isn't possible, it breaks every SINGLE law of nature, but it's happening anyway! Let's experiment!"
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
quote:Originally posted by Threads: If he were moving that fast then he would be quite massive
Silly me. I forgot my physics.
"Obviously if Hiro is not frozen in time but his surroundings are, there couldn't be any heat transfer between Hiro and his surrounding. Heat is tranferred away from a person by two mechanisms. Convection and radiation. Convection occurs due to the random collisions of molecules. Since the molecules wouldn't be moving, no convection occurs. Radiative heat transfer occurs due to movement of photons, which also wouldn't occur."
He is moving, therefore his molecules are moving, and he can effect his surroundings, therefore his molecules can. His molecules transfer their energy to the surrounding molecules, and by simple thermodynamics he freezes instantly!
Posted by FlyingCow (Member # 2150) on :
And herein lies the difference between fantasy and science fiction. Posted by MEC (Member # 2968) on :
I would imagine that time isn't frozen but slowed down extremely. If this is the case then the molecules surrounding him would receive kinetic energy from him until they were all the same, heating up the environment around him, and cooling himself.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
A friend gave it to me as a sort of joke for my birthday one year. I'll take a gander through it and look to see if there is anything on stopping time.
Edit:
Okay, it covers Nightcrawler and teleportation, which is a mix of dark dimension sharing, biophysical chemical reactions and other stuff I don't pretend to understand.
It also has Wolverine's cellular regeneration, which is close to Claire's powers.
It glosses over flight like Rogue's, but covers Quicksilver's extreme speed. And it leaves out time travel. I thought it had a section on that guy who can time travel, the one who tried to kill Professor Xavier back when he was a college student, with that weird little sidekick.
Oh well, still can be a fun read.
[ September 10, 2007, 10:31 PM: Message edited by: Lyrhawn ]
Posted by MEC (Member # 2968) on :
I had a companion once who got really angry at me when I asked him why in X-men there weren't any individuals who's powers appearing were self-lethal. For example, if someone's powers where to make flames all over themselves ala. the torch, but the flames burnt them to death.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:He is moving, therefore his molecules are moving, and he can effect his surroundings, therefore his molecules can. His molecules transfer their energy to the surrounding molecules, and by simple thermodynamics he freezes instantly!
First off, the rate at which he freezes isn't a thermodynamic question its a heat transfer question. Thermodynamics tells you only about where the equilibrium lies and nothing about how fast you get there.
Second, in order for Hiro to freeze, the energy in his body would have to be transferred to his surroundings. That is, something in his surroundings would have to absorb the energy. The two mechanisms which would allow that to happen are convection and radiation and they can't happen unless time passes. Certainly Hiro will collide with molecules in the air when he moves and could transfer energy to those molecules but that amount of energy would be miniscule compared with the amount of energy you normally loose with all the air molecules bombarding your skin every second.
Posted by MEC (Member # 2968) on :
If time isn't moving at all, then he should be frozen in place, as a result of not being able to move the air molecules surrounding him.
Posted by 0Megabyte (Member # 8624) on :
Remember... this is a superpower we're talking about! Laws of physics don't even bother applying!
Which is why it's fun.
Posted by Vadon (Member # 4561) on :
If there's anything I've learned from Japanese media(Anime) it's that the laws of physics don't apply. Maybe it's just one of the benefits of being Japanese.
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
quote:I am in the middle of re-watching Heroes on DVD and a thought occurred to me. Wouldn't Hiro freeze to death if he stopped time? Heat comes from the motion of atoms...
It would also be pitch black and completely silent, so.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
If you are dead, then why does silence and darkness matter.
Posted by Earendil18 (Member # 3180) on :
quote:Originally posted by Vadon: If there's anything I've learned from Japanese media(Anime) it's that the laws of physics don't apply. Maybe it's just one of the benefits of being Japanese.
Yeah, they still have the "superpower" to suspend disbelief. I think with threads like these, we've lost the point of watching movies/TV in the first place.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
At least in The Girl, The Gold Watch and Everything, things were tinted reddish when he had time virtually stopped.
Posted by MEC (Member # 2968) on :
It is funny that this is OSC's site, and we are talking about Hiro, when Lanik Mueller had the same exact power.
I've thought a lot about the power, and it is the one I've always thought would be the most powerful. When Thanos had the infinity guantlet, this power was perhaps his most difficult to deal with.
I've recognized the inherent problems with a realistic implementation of the power since I was a kid, for the reason stated in the original post, and others as well.
Posted by Sterling (Member # 8096) on :
Perhaps he's continuously travelling back in time 1/100th of a second every 1/100th of a second?
Posted by The Pixiest (Member # 1863) on :
"repeat to yourself it's just a show I should really just relax"
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sterling: Perhaps he's continuously travelling back in time 1/100th of a second every 1/100th of a second?
That would cause a paradox, ie him seeing an infinite stream of himself.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
You can get the same effect looking into parallel mirrors. It's never caused me any problems.
Posted by Slim (Member # 2334) on :
Since Hiro is outside the realm of our reality, the only "True" answer can come from within their reality.
But I offer as my opinion that he doesn't stop time, but merely slows the flow of time.
Offered as evidence to support my theory is episode 12, "Godsend" When Hiro tries to stop time to steal the sword, he only slows down time. His powers were weakened, so we get a weakened result.
The best evidence comes from the beginning of episode 5, "Hiros" (and end of the previous episode) Future Hiro stops time. By then, Hiro has had a lot more practice stopping time, and can do it very well. The lights all went dim. As if the light itself was moving slower.
As far as "wouldn't Hiro freeze?" As he never shivered, nor could see his breath when he stopped time, it would seem that the answer is No. There are as many explanations as the limit of human imagination, but going off the evidence, it appears he won't be freezing anytime soon.
Unless the question is "Wouldn't Hiro freeze if he existed in our reality and stopped time" Then that's another question altogether...
Posted by Lanfear (Member # 7776) on :
Your all missing the point. Hiro is asian. Therefore, he can do whatever he wants.
Posted by Boris (Member # 6935) on :
I know, I know. It's a TV show and it really doesn't matter because it's not FREAKING REAL!!! Just turn off your brain, grab some popcorn and have some fun for crying out loud.
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