quote:________________________________________ Blayne Bradley wrote on Wed Oct-03-2007 at 14:38 :
I have no idea what the meaning of this is, I can only assume this was a typo but I hardly believe that with the instructions given that I am somehow undeserving of a higher mark, I was asked to answer those questions, to do it late at night as to be not distracted and I have answered the questions question, by question with both effort and honesty, I am unaware if you wanted a more formal essay format, I completed the assignment on time as per instructions I do not know why i got 5/10.
quote: The assignment is marked on effort put in. It looks to me like you just filled out a questionnaire without learning anything new from the experience. Check for yourself: Are you any different now from before you did this assignment. That is the definition of learning, you know - a change in behavior, some new understanding. It just was not there. Do a top job on the test and make up for it.
I hate psychology. I hate psychiatrists, they always think they know better, and whats even worse, when you mix "teaching" with "psychology" .
I was given 50 questions to answer, all variations of "how do you feel"
example:
1. How do you feel?
2. Now how do you really feel?
*twitch* 5 on 10, based on his perception of my effort put in, I did it all from 0:00 to 3:00, as asked as per "instructions" did all of the work, I actually put in effort rather then put in sarcastic replies as most people in the class, and all I get to show for it is 5/10.
What the crud.
The assignment was worth 10% of the final grade as well.
Posted by King of Men (Member # 6684) on :
Serves you right for taking a course in a pseudo-science. Next you'll be complaining that your astroogy teacher marked you down for pointing out the precession of the Zodiac.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
its mandatory to take a psyc course.
Posted by King of Men (Member # 6684) on :
Well then, don't go to universities where that's the case. In any case, if you are quoting yourself in an email to the teacher, I would personally mark you down just for being too dumb to use polite, formal writing in a letter of complaint.
Incidentally, if you are working from 0800 on Saturdays, how are you going to be playing TWBW?
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
I'll figure out a way.
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
If you put the same amount of effort into the assignment as you regularly seem to with your posts/threads here I'd say you got a better grade than you deserved.
Trying working harder instead of doing the bare minimum and then complaining about your grade.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
i didnt do the bare minimum, as the instructions do not make clear even what the bare minimum is, i was failed because apparently i didn't learn anything enlightening from answering a questionnaire of rather personal questions.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
You know, Blayne, I agree that it's unfair that your professor apparently graded you based on your level of self-awareness. While I think self-awareness can be learned, it's often an integral part of someone's personality; it'd be like marking someone down in a physics class because he's fat.
Posted by The Pixiest (Member # 1863) on :
Wow Blayne... For once I actually feel sorry for you. That prof is a yutz and that course sounds like a lot of hippy nonsense.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
I hate hippies.
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
quote:Are you any different now from before you did this assignment. That is the definition of learning, you know - a change in behavior, some new understanding.
New understanding: I hate filling out idiotic questionnaires.
Posted by MrSquicky (Member # 1802) on :
Speaking as someone who does this, that sounds like a very poor assignment/assesment technique based on the information given. What course are you taking?
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
"Human relations"
Posted by Dragon (Member # 3670) on :
I'm also concerned as to how a psychologist expects people to answer that sort of personal question without a condition of anonymity at the least. The fact that he made your answers the basis for 10% of your grade is just bad science if he cared at all about the answers.
You also said that others used sarcastic answers. Have you asked what grade they got? What type of sarcasm they were using? Perhaps the professor mistook their sarcasm for an honest answer.
Posted by Mucus (Member # 9735) on :
How do you fail a question like "How do you feel?" (not that you did, but presumably someone probably did)
Unless you're Spock Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
most seem to have gotten 8/10
Posted by MrSquicky (Member # 1802) on :
For human relations, those actually sound like they may be legitimate questions and potentially a legitimate grading system. A "Human Relations" course is often an exploratory course more than a straight educational one. If that is the case, the effort that you put into the assignment is an acceptible criteria to use in grading. If it was clear that you didn't put much effort into it (and knowing you, I would not be suprised that this is the case), you got the grade you deserved.
Now, yeah (assuming that this is true), you can say that this is a BS course. I kind of agree. I'd never take it or counsel a serious student to do so. I don't believe that much of the aim or methodology of exploratory psych courses is valid or useful from an educational perspective. But you chose to take this course as opposed to a more straight educational one. If you stick with the course, try putting more of yourself and your effort into the assignments.
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quote:How do you fail a question like "How do you feel?"
Again, I don't necessarily agree with this, but the purpose of the assignment is likely not to put down "correct" answers to the questions, but rather to provoke an exploration of one's self, state, and relation to others. If you put down answers to the questions without this exploration (and keep in mind, those were 2 out of 50 questions), you could be said to not really have done the assignment correctly.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
quote:Originally posted by El JT de Spang: If you put the same amount of effort into the assignment as you regularly seem to with your posts/threads here I'd say you got a better grade than you deserved.
Trying working harder instead of doing the bare minimum and then complaining about your grade.
Yeah, complaining to the teacher that way is totally inappropriate. I'm shocked he/she didn't come down harder on you or speak to you personally about it. If you want respect you may have to give it to people you don't like, or who you think don't deserve it. But seriously, that was totally out of line.
Posted by MrSquicky (Member # 1802) on :
If a student had sent me an email like that, they'd get very short shift. I'd recommend either emailing an apology or better yet apologizing in person.
Posted by TaIeswapper (Member # 7911) on :
quote:I hate hippies.
What's with all the hippy bashing?
Posted by rollainm (Member # 8318) on :
quote:Originally posted by TaIeswapper:
quote:I hate hippies.
What's with all the hippy bashing?
They want to save the world, but all they do is smoke pot and play frisbee.
Posted by Fusiachi (Member # 7376) on :
For a moment there I thought I was reading Ulysses, but then I released that the commas were supposed to be periods.
Otherwise... it sounds like a BS course for sure, Blayne. That said, I'd have to see your work to evaluate whether or not it merits beyond a 5/10. Hopefully it does. And grades aren't the be-all-end-all, you know?
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
quote:Originally posted by MrSquicky: For human relations, those actually sound like they may be legitimate questions and potentially a legitimate grading system. A "Human Relations" course is often an exploratory course more than a straight educational one. If that is the case, the effort that you put into the assignment is an acceptible criteria to use in grading. If it was clear that you didn't put much effort into it (and knowing you, I would not be suprised that this is the case), you got the grade you deserved.
Now, yeah (assuming that this is true), you can say that this is a BS course. I kind of agree. I'd never take it or counsel a serious student to do so. I don't believe that much of the aim or methodology of exploratory psych courses is valid or useful from an educational perspective. But you chose to take this course as opposed to a more straight educational one. If you stick with the course, try putting more of yourself and your effort into the assignments.
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quote:How do you fail a question like "How do you feel?"
Again, I don't necessarily agree with this, but the purpose of the assignment is likely not to put down "correct" answers to the questions, but rather to provoke an exploration of one's self, state, and relation to others. If you put down answers to the questions without this exploration (and keep in mind, those were 2 out of 50 questions), you could be said to not really have done the assignment correctly.
The course was mandatory Posted by MrSquicky (Member # 1802) on :
This particular course or some Psych course?
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
A large part of university, unfortunately, is learning how to jump through the hoops that your professors want you to jump through.
You are apparently not jumping through his hoops.
Start jumping through them ASAP or suffer the poor marks.
It doesn't matter whether they are good, fair, or worthwhile hoops -- they are the hoops which you need for a grade.
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[ October 05, 2007, 12:35 AM: Message edited by: mr_porteiro_head ]
Posted by porcelain girl (Member # 1080) on :
quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head: A large part of university, unfortunately is learning how to jump through the hoops that your professors want you to jump through.
You are apparently not jumping through his hoops.
Start jumping through them ASAP or suffer the poor marks.
It doesn't matter whether they are good, fair, or worthwhile hoops -- they are the hoops which you need for a grade.
This is where I immediately withdraw from a course. I am paying a significant amount of money to learn more than just how to please a petty teacher. And I think it is perfectly healthy to question your professors; while maintaing respect and consideration, of course, though I have certainly toed that line.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
This is a required course. If he withdraws from the course, he might as well withdraw from the entire school.
Posted by Morbo (Member # 5309) on :
quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: its mandatory to take a psyc course.
porter, the way I read this is Blayne has to take a psych class, probably off a list, not that this one class is required.
Depending on how the rest of the course is going and when "drop day" is, I would advise Blayne to possibly consider dropping the course. But people with more relevant/recent college experience might give better advice.
Posted by camus (Member # 8052) on :
Write an apology stating how you initially felt about the grade, how you feel now that you've been able to think about the situation, why you feel your initial outburst was inappropriate, what you leared about yourself from the experience, and what you plan to do with future assignments now that you have a clearer understanding of the course requirements.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:Write an apology stating...
If you do this, I recommend that you take the time to make your reply sound more formal and less rushed. The email you quoted above was one long run-on sentence.
Posted by The White Whale (Member # 6594) on :
There are no alternatives? In my school, there are usually several classes that can fill a requirement, or at least a couple teachers teaching the same class at different times / during different semesters.
In this way, it's less choosing a class and choosing a teacher, which has worked out for me very well.
Posted by Primal Curve (Member # 3587) on :
Also, make sure you include lots of discussion about how you are feeling. Considering the number of blog-ish posts you make around here about being lonely or excited or whatever your mood swing is that day, I'm sure you can come up with something.
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