Centaur got a long distance weapon and can run faster. Hell in elder scrolls i can kick three minitours asses with just a bow and im slow.
All it would have to do is stay out of way of opponant while reloading the cross bow.
Im just worried about where it is storing those arrows
OUCH
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
Hey, Yebor! How's your life going these days?
Posted by MightyCow (Member # 9253) on :
I'm voting Centaur. Sure, in a hand-to-hand scuffle the minotaur would have the upper hand, but it would never get to that. The centaur can keep up range and shoot from afar.
Posted by Flaming Toad on a Stick (Member # 9302) on :
So much depends on the arena style. Starting with the assumptions that the centaur is a crack shot, the minotaur does not know fear or pain, the centaur is faster, the minotaur is stronger etc. In close quarters, the minotaur can't help but win. At very long distance with no cover, the centaur would just snipe it down with arrow after arrow until it collapsed. It's all a matter of circumstance. That being said, I'd go minotaur in most situations.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
They are alone. They are a dying race. We should let them pass.
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
I vote centaur, but only after a krater or three of wine.
Posted by Primal Curve (Member # 3587) on :
The centaur can kick, as they say, like a horse.
Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :
Centaurs travel in Tribes, Minotaurs are loaners.
However, Centaurs are prone to overindulging in the liquor, so that is an exploitable weakness.
Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dan_raven: Minotaurs are loaners.
Their interest rates are murder!
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
quote:Originally posted by Puffy Treat:
quote:Originally posted by Dan_raven: Minotaurs are loaners.
Their interest rates are murder!
Puffy, you are so full of it! Seriously, man, what a load of bull!
Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
Do you have a beef with me, Noemon?
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I'd go centaur, depending on the space available. Maneuverability would be key.
Sorry to horn in on your debate guys, I was hoping to steer the thread back on course.
Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
Thanks, Lyr. I was seeing red!
Yes, back to the Centaur.
Posted by erosomniac (Member # 6834) on :
quote:Originally posted by MightyCow: I'm voting Centaur.
You should at least present an argument that can stand on four legs. It's like you're half serious, half horsing around!
Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
Please, bridle your emotions.
Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :
Hey Puffy, haven't you ever heard of the bankers leading a Bull market before?
Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
No. And we'll never get this thread back on track if this stampede of free association doesn't stop!
Posted by MightyCow (Member # 9253) on :
If we decide to vote on continuing to stray from topic, put me down as a Neigh.
Posted by Juxtapose (Member # 8837) on :
The centaur wins, so long as he pegs the minotaur's calf first.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
Issues: What is the Minotaur's natural armor bonus Does he have a shield (that would = instant win) How good is his aim with the trident.
Anyway, I will vote Minotaur just because a bull would kill a horse, but men have equal chances. Thus math determines that 1 + 1/2 > 0 + 1/2.
My logic is infallible.
Posted by Dan_Frank (Member # 8488) on :
quote:Originally posted by JonHecht: Issues: What is the Minotaur's natural armor bonus...
+5, according to my SRD.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
Pretty sure they get a nice HP bonus too, and bolts don't do that much damage.
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
But Centaurs get a bonus to hit with ranged weapons, and a crossbow has an increased critical threat range.
He could put a crossbow bolt through the Minotaur's eye. Boom. Over.
It really depends on the layout of the arena.
Posted by Primal Curve (Member # 3587) on :
quote:Originally posted by Scott R: It really depends on the layout of the arena.
Agreed. The Centaur would really have it rough were he forced to Hang Tough.
Posted by Omega M. (Member # 7924) on :
I first thought the minotaur, but I have to agree that the centaur would probably be able to stay out of the minotaur's reach and shoot the minotaur until it died. I assume that, since it has the body of a horse, a centaur is much faster than a minotaur.
Posted by MrSquicky (Member # 1802) on :
It's obviously the Minotaur. The Centaur has a crossbow, but where's the ammunition. hmmm?
Are we supposed to believe that this is some fantasy realm where you don't need to keep track of what he's going shoot from that crossbow? Nex you'll tell me that I don't need to pay attention to how much the things they're each carrying weigh or how they could possibly manage to move around while toting around all that cumbersome junk.
Posted by Selran (Member # 9918) on :
Minotaur, sure the centaur has a speed of 50 versus the minotaur's 30, but the minotaur had more hit points, does a lot of damage due to his strength and has the powerful charge ability. So, the centaur could run away, but if it wanted to attack it could only move 50 each round which is still within the minotaur's charge range of 60. So, the centaur could stay alive by running away, but that's still loosing in my book.
Posted by Nighthawk (Member # 4176) on :
Time to go to the source of expertise... In Everquest 2, Minotaurs are 3 ^s. Centaurs are usually only one, maybe to, ^s (well, except for that one Epic).
So there. End of discussion.
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Posted by MightyCow (Member # 9253) on :
Centaurs are creatures of the forest, and as such, are well acquainted with a variety of natural poisons. A little arrowhead frog venom and the minotaur is toast - this is a battle to the death.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
We already stated the weapons, you can't just add poison. If you can add poison then I can add a shield for the minotaur and your Centaur is dead.
Posted by MightyCow (Member # 9253) on :
We stated the weapons, but there's no mention of ammunition - does that mean the centaur has to hit the minotaur with the crossbow? Obviously bolts are implied, and with no specific prohibition on the style of quality of the bolts, I say poison is valid.
The minotaur has strength, the centaur has brains - each uses his to the best of his ability.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
Fine, then the Minotaur's centaur just happens to be created by a god and is + 80 to hit and damage for ranged attacks.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
The Minotaur brought his loaded dice, your centaur's stats are to no avail!
Posted by FlyingCow (Member # 2150) on :
I vote Minotaur.
Honestly, who would win in a fight - a bull, or a horse? The bull would totally take the horse apart.
So, you have a "bull-man" with a "horse-man" - the man part gives each an equal advantage.
Now you've got the weapon to think of. A crossbow is a ranged weapon, yes, but a bull itself is very difficult to take down - certainly not with a single shot. At distance, in an open field, with no obstruction, and the centaur on high ground - I give advantage centaur. In any even ground with obstruction to provide cover gives advantage to the minotaur.
Also realize that the trident can be thrown, the bull also has weapons in his horns, and that a crossbow takes two hands and time to reload (and has limited ammunition).
So: Animal half - advantage Minotaur Human half - no advantage Weapon - advantage centaur in open space with time to see the minotaur coming, advantage minotaur in nearly all other environments.
Ultimately, have to go with the minotaur on this one.
Posted by Nighthawk (Member # 4176) on :
Differing human halves, though: centaur has upper half. Minotaur has... well... arms.
Also, a bull is a heckuva lot more durable than a horse. I've seen bull take one hell of a beating in a ring before going down, and they still kick around for several minutes even if you drive a four foot long sword down their spine.