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Posted by porcelain girl (Member # 1080) on :
 
I didn't want to derail pH's thread, but I wanted to open up a new thread for the discussion that was taking place. (Shyness, industries that breed personal oddities that may nor may not obstruct romantic relationships, etc.)

In repsonse to Ms. Ketchup: I am 26.

To kick things off, I would like to throw out the observation that I have a really hard time dating in Los Angeles. Culturally, men are much less likely to compliment/holler at women, and I have lived here for three years and have gone on two dates. One with a crazy person, and one with with an ex-boyfriend, secretly.

I wasn't really dating that much on the East Coast, but at least I received an acceptable level of holleration. Lame!

So...how's your love life?
 
Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
 
Nonexistent.
 
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
 
Wonderful. I picked up a cute foreign boy on a sci-fi author's website a couple of years ago, and have ignored all the crazies that hit on me ever since.
 
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Synesthesia:
Nonexistent.

Ditto.
 
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
 
quote:
Wonderful. I picked up a cute foreign boy on a sci-fi author's website a couple of years ago, and have ignored all the crazies that hit on me ever since.
Hey! He asked that nobody discuss that over here. [No No] [Wink]
 
Posted by Pegasus (Member # 10464) on :
 
When you pick up some strange(r's) kid, you're likely gonna get hit until you put 'em down. [Razz]
 
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
 
I think he's gotten over that.

>_>

<_<

I hope.
 
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by JonHecht:
quote:
Originally posted by Synesthesia:
Nonexistent.

Ditto.
Tritto.
 
Posted by Javert (Member # 3076) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Carrie:
quote:
Originally posted by JonHecht:
quote:
Originally posted by Synesthesia:
Nonexistent.

Ditto.
Tritto.
Quitto?
 
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Javert:
quote:
Originally posted by Carrie:
quote:
Originally posted by JonHecht:
quote:
Originally posted by Synesthesia:
Nonexistent.

Ditto.
Tritto.
Quitto?
Five times is the charm?
 
Posted by Javert (Member # 3076) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by porcelain girl:
Culturally, men are much less likely to compliment/holler at women

Holler!!!!!
 
Posted by Jhai (Member # 5633) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by ElJay:
Wonderful. I picked up a cute foreign boy on a sci-fi author's website a couple of years ago, and have ignored all the crazies that hit on me ever since.

I'm a big fan of the foreign boys. [Smile]
 
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
If you're 26, most of the guys I know are probably a little old for you. (In their late 40s to late 50s, mostly.) Some of the non-damaged ones, in their early 40s.

I hear ya on the L.A. dating scene. That's why I married a Texan.

Then I made him move back here 'cause I couldn't stand being away from L.A., much less in Dallas. [Wink]
 
Posted by Tstorm (Member # 1871) on :
 
Six times can't be the charm, either. That aspect of my life is on perpetual 'hold', due in part to geographical and demographical handicaps.

(I live in a small town in northern Kansas.)
 
Posted by xtownaga (Member # 7187) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by pfresh85:
quote:
Originally posted by Javert:
quote:
Originally posted by Carrie:
quote:
Originally posted by JonHecht:
quote:
Originally posted by Synesthesia:
Nonexistent.

Ditto.
Tritto.
Quitto?
Five times is the charm?
More like six.
 
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
 
Surprisingly, since becoming single, uh, my love life has improved...in that I now get much more attention than I ever did from Michael. I'm very much enjoying it.

-pH
 
Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by xtownaga:
quote:
Originally posted by pfresh85:
quote:
Originally posted by Javert:
quote:
Originally posted by Carrie:
quote:
Originally posted by JonHecht:
quote:
Originally posted by Synesthesia:
Nonexistent.

Ditto.
Tritto.
Quitto?
Five times is the charm?
More like six.
Perhaps seven is a lucky number?
 
Posted by Mike (Member # 55) on :
 
To clarify, by holleration do you mean construction-worker-style whistling? Or something a little more subtle? What I mean is, coming from the other side of the equation, I'd like to know what it is that women expect / want.
 
Posted by Lissande (Member # 350) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Shigosei:
quote:
Originally posted by xtownaga:
quote:
Originally posted by pfresh85:
quote:
Originally posted by Javert:
quote:
Originally posted by Carrie:
quote:
Originally posted by JonHecht:
quote:
Originally posted by Synesthesia:
Nonexistent.

Ditto.
Tritto.
Quitto?
Five times is the charm?
More like six.
Perhaps seven is a lucky number?
I keep wondering what happened to four.
 
Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
 
I don't appreciate the group of rowdy college guys honking and yelling as they drive by kind of thing. But then, it only happens to me when I'm with other girls, so it's not a big deal.
 
Posted by porcelain girl (Member # 1080) on :
 
For me holleration includes compliments, asking of digits, text messages, traditional cat calls, asking of dates, etc. I would appreciate any and all of those at this point in time.
 
Posted by erosomniac (Member # 6834) on :
 
<shifts feet> So, uh, how you doin'?
 
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Heh. I do NOT appreciate the cat calls. Especially when I'm visibly pregnant and pushing my two children in a double stroller. Dude, do you not GET that I'm unavailable?
 
Posted by erosomniac (Member # 6834) on :
 
Cat calls are so rarely about being interested in a woman that I doubt they were trying to hit on you so much as make you uncomfortable, kqueen. [Frown]
 
Posted by Mr.Funny (Member # 4467) on :
 
Heh. My current experience with the LA dating scene is quite similar.

Granted, I've only been here since late August. And I haven't really been off campus at all.

But no girls for me [Frown]
 
Posted by porcelain girl (Member # 1080) on :
 
Though sometimes it depends on the circumstances. I am not a fan of say, boys hollering in the literal sense at girls, but sometimes a "hey, gorgeous" from across the way is a pretty good pick-me-up.

But I am also obviously available. But I agree that sometimes it can be threatening. I definitely grew up with more experience being sexually harassed from the fourth grade up than with being flirted with.
 
Posted by Mike (Member # 55) on :
 
*picks up porcelain girl*

Oh, that's not what you meant?

*puts her back down*
 
Posted by MightyCow (Member # 9253) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by ketchupqueen:
Heh. I do NOT appreciate the cat calls. Especially when I'm visibly pregnant and pushing my two children in a double stroller. Dude, do you not GET that I'm unavailable?

For many women in the same situation, they may well be available and looking.

In fact, many single women with children wish more men were interested in them, especially once the men realize that they have children.
 
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jhai:
quote:
Originally posted by ElJay:
Wonderful. I picked up a cute foreign boy on a sci-fi author's website a couple of years ago, and have ignored all the crazies that hit on me ever since.

I'm a big fan of the foreign boys. [Smile]
I love me my foreign boy. [Smile]
 
Posted by Lissande (Member # 350) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by quidscribis:
quote:
Originally posted by Jhai:
quote:
Originally posted by ElJay:
Wonderful. I picked up a cute foreign boy on a sci-fi author's website a couple of years ago, and have ignored all the crazies that hit on me ever since.

I'm a big fan of the foreign boys. [Smile]
I love me my foreign boy. [Smile]
There's just something about them. [Smile]
 
Posted by anti_maven (Member # 9789) on :
 
[Hat]

'swhat the missus says too...
 
Posted by Magson (Member # 2300) on :
 
Wow. Sorry to hear that the dating's so scarce in Los Angeles. I don't consider myself a player or even "terribly active on the dating front" and yet I still have 1-3 "events" each week that could arguably be called dates. IE -- I go out with a single-and-looking woman, even if it's one with whom I am "just friends." Arguably the fact that we are doing dinner and a movie, or wahtever makes it a date, even without the romantic interest. TBH, I don't even really go looking for dates anymore, they seem to just fall in my lap, and in order to keep my budget solvent I have to limit what I do.

From the comments here, I guess I'm just lucky. And perhaps it helps that I'm not in LA. . . .
 
Posted by Javert (Member # 3076) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lissande:
quote:
Originally posted by quidscribis:
quote:
Originally posted by Jhai:
quote:
Originally posted by ElJay:
Wonderful. I picked up a cute foreign boy on a sci-fi author's website a couple of years ago, and have ignored all the crazies that hit on me ever since.

I'm a big fan of the foreign boys. [Smile]
I love me my foreign boy. [Smile]
There's just something about them. [Smile]
This American boy blames you all for his lack of love life!!!!! [Mad]
 
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
quote:
But I am also obviously available.
I suspect that dating success in L.A. might depend heavily on your definition of "obviously" and your definition of "available."
 
Posted by vwiggin (Member # 926) on :
 
If you don't mind the geeky liberal atheist types, there's probably lots of boys to be had here:

http://drankkit.com/

[Wink]
 
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
 
Javert, three of the four of us are probably quite a bit too old for you anyway. [Smile]

---

If I was single and lived in one of the relevant cities, I would so do this: Crazy Blind Date.
 
Posted by Javert (Member # 3076) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by ElJay:
Javert, three of the four of us are probably quite a bit too old for you anyway. [Smile]

How dare you imply to know my tastes! [Wink]

Eh, I'm 23. Young, but not terribly young. Certainly not the youngest at Hatrack.
 
Posted by Javert Hugo (Member # 3980) on :
 
My love life is free and clear. Matt and I broke up some time in the past year - the exact date is in dispute. We stopped seeing each other constantly and talking an hour a day three-four weeks ago.

I have considered wandering over to Where the Boys Are, but I think I want to wait until I know it's not rebound.

In the meantime, I've replaced him with exercise and Doctor Who dvds. That's working out quite well.
 
Posted by brojack17 (Member # 9189) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by ketchupqueen:
Heh. I do NOT appreciate the cat calls. Especially when I'm visibly pregnant and pushing my two children in a double stroller. Dude, do you not GET that I'm unavailable?

Pregnant and pushing a double stoller fulfills a fantasy for someone somewhere.
 
Posted by Javert Hugo (Member # 3980) on :
 
I'm not a fan of catcalls at all. I resent the intrusion on my privacy and I hate the chauvinistic assumption that I'm available for them to comment on. I'm not. Back off and leave me alone.
 
Posted by Omega M. (Member # 7924) on :
 
So you're a woman? I thought from your name you were a man (obviously gay, given your previous post).

I wouldn't call out to a woman on the street, but I have no qualms about staring at someone from my car (with all the windows closed) who's, say, crossing a crosswalk in front of me. Yeah, I'm probably objectifying her, but if she doesn't notice, no harm done, right?
 
Posted by Javert Hugo (Member # 3980) on :
 
Actually, if you don't call out, that's fine. That's expected.

It's the hollering and intrusions that bother me. I'm not a streetwalker - I am not going to respond favorably to propositions from strangers. I resent the assumption that I would.

This happens a LOT around where I live, and it's why I hate going for walks in my neighborhood. I really resent that freedom being taken from me. Looking like crap doesn't make a difference - it's the female and alone part that does it. That's why it's not flattering - it isn't because I'm so beautiful they were overcome. It's because I look like an easy target (this explains the pregnant with babies thing as well - you look vulnerable). That ticks me off.

--

Yes, I'm female. I'm katharina, actually, taking a walkabout from my normal name thanks to Javert reminding I had this one, which I like very much. Javert is far and away my favorite character from Les Miserables and one of my favorites in all of literature.
 
Posted by Mike (Member # 55) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by ElJay:
If I was single and lived in one of the relevant cities, I would so do this: Crazy Blind Date.

I just signed up for this last night! [Smile] No dates so far, though.
 
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Javert:
quote:
Originally posted by Lissande:
quote:
Originally posted by quidscribis:
quote:
Originally posted by Jhai:
quote:
Originally posted by ElJay:
Wonderful. I picked up a cute foreign boy on a sci-fi author's website a couple of years ago, and have ignored all the crazies that hit on me ever since.

I'm a big fan of the foreign boys. [Smile]
I love me my foreign boy. [Smile]
There's just something about them. [Smile]
This American boy blames you all for his lack of love life!!!!! [Mad]
Your border crossing guards are looking out for you: one of them informed me that I'm not allowed to date American girls. Of course, since I was already dating an American girl, all I could do was apologize profusely. [Wink]

quote:
Originally posted by ElJay:
I think he's gotten over that.

>_>

<_<

I hope.

He has.

[Smile]
 
Posted by Zalmoxis (Member # 2327) on :
 
You two are just so cute.

Seriously. I'm not being snide here. Let the continual intermingling of this community continue!
 
Posted by kmbboots (Member # 8576) on :
 
twinky, your border crossing guards don't seem to have a problem with American women coming to your country*...

To answer the original question, my romantic life is usually non-existant but sporadically fabulous.

*they just want to know all the details.
 
Posted by Javert (Member # 3076) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Javert Hugo:
Yes, I'm female. I'm katharina, actually, taking a walkabout from my normal name thanks to Javert reminding I had this one, which I like very much. Javert is far and away my favorite character from Les Miserables and one of my favorites in all of literature.

Plus you're a copycat. [Razz]
 
Posted by Javert Hugo (Member # 3980) on :
 
*laugh* This can all be laid at your door. I had completely forgotten about trusty ole Javert Hugo until you reminded me. [Razz]
 
Posted by Javert (Member # 3076) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Javert Hugo:
*laugh* This can all be laid at your door. I had completely forgotten about trusty ole Javert Hugo until you reminded me. [Razz]

Oh, I accept the blame for that. But you're a copycat for taking the name in the first place. [Razz] So nyah!
 
Posted by Javert Hugo (Member # 3980) on :
 
It's true! That's why I had to add a last name.

Let's blame Victor Hugo for not giving Javert an identical twin brother.
 
Posted by porcelain girl (Member # 1080) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TomDavidson:
quote:
But I am also obviously available.
I suspect that dating success in L.A. might depend heavily on your definition of "obviously" and your definition of "available."
Mmm, not so sure about that. By obviously available in response to the catcalls issue I just meant that I look 20-26, and do not wear any rings. And am not holding hands with a man-person.

You might be surprised on what dating success depends on in Los Angeles. I personally suspect it has a lot to do with dollar bills, anorexia, and voodoo.
 
Posted by Stray (Member # 4056) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by kmbboots:


To answer the original question, my romantic life is usually non-existant but sporadically fabulous.


That pretty much describes mine right now too, at least for the past couple months. I look forward to several days of fabulous over Thanksgiving weekend [Wink]
 
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
 
Isn't L.A. pretty much the most superficial place in the known galaxy?
 
Posted by kmbboots (Member # 8576) on :
 
That may be why the occasional native will seek out middle-aged, sofa-cushion-shaped, Midwestern women.
 
Posted by Squish (Member # 9191) on :
 
Not a huge fan of the place. I personally think L.A. is the reason that one of my high school friends turned into one of those 'OMG, I'm SO hot' chicks.

The last time I went to L.A., I couldn't go a block without annoying cat calls from a passing car or someone following me down the block, pestering me for a number. Silly thing was, I was the one in a tank top and jeans and not in the fancy shmancy designer clothes. I suppose people try more if they think you're more within reach. I'm also 23, but could pass for 17. Maybe it's the high school crowd that does the yelling rather than approaching?
 
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mike:
quote:
Originally posted by ElJay:
If I was single and lived in one of the relevant cities, I would so do this: Crazy Blind Date.

I just signed up for this last night! [Smile] No dates so far, though.
Oh, excellent! Please start a thread about it after you start going on dates and let us know how it goes! I think it sounds so awesome. . .
 
Posted by Ivygirl1937 (Member # 10918) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Tstorm:
Six times can't be the charm, either. That aspect of my life is on perpetual 'hold', due in part to geographical and demographical handicaps.

(I live in a small town in northern Kansas.)

That is so not an excuse, since I only live BY a small town (pop. 500), not even IN the town itself. Of course, I started going to college in a slightly larger town, but not by much. It's not THAT hard to find someone...especially since Kansas girls are the greatest. [Razz]

I'm currently single as well, but that is by choice. That, and I frighten and intimidate guys. [Big Grin]

Ivy
 
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by ElJay:
quote:
Originally posted by Mike:
quote:
Originally posted by ElJay:
If I was single and lived in one of the relevant cities, I would so do this: Crazy Blind Date.

I just signed up for this last night! [Smile] No dates so far, though.
Oh, excellent! Please start a thread about it after you start going on dates and let us know how it goes! I think it sounds so awesome. . .
I totally wish I could do that. Bah!

-pH
 
Posted by The Flying Dracula Hair (Member # 10155) on :
 
I'm in LA, and as far as I can tell, the dating situation isn't all that abnormal. Of course, I've always lived here so if it's more difficult than other places I wouldn't know.
But I'm in a solid geeky and loving, though maybe bizarre, relationship and know plenty of other non-superfish people who are as well.
 
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
 
quote:
non-superfish people
Only Mermaids and Merman for us, baby!
 
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by erosomniac:
Cat calls are so rarely about being interested in a woman that I doubt they were trying to hit on you so much as make you uncomfortable, kqueen. [Frown]

Oh, I know that. Which is why I don't include cat calls in "flirting." They're just harassment.

I really could care less what some guys in a car think of my butt, though. I might care more if I was single, I suppose. But I don't think so...
 
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by brojack17:
quote:
Originally posted by ketchupqueen:
Heh. I do NOT appreciate the cat calls. Especially when I'm visibly pregnant and pushing my two children in a double stroller. Dude, do you not GET that I'm unavailable?

Pregnant and pushing a double stoller fulfills a fantasy for someone somewhere.
Yeah, my husband. [Wink]
 
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by porcelain girl:

You might be surprised on what dating success depends on in Los Angeles. I personally suspect it has a lot to do with dollar bills, anorexia, and voodoo.

You forgot designer clothes and possible plastic surgery. [Wink]

No, really, I do know some people I would classify as having "dating success"-- but most people either a) aren't up for the amount of putting yourself out there that seems to be required or b) don't have time for it. Sometimes it seems to me that dating in L.A. is either a full-time job or something that happens completely by chance.
 
Posted by MightyCow (Member # 9253) on :
 
I think one of the really positive things about online dating sites is that in big cities, there are tons of available people who will never meet each other, but might be really compatible and live relatively close. The internet can have its uses.
 
Posted by The Flying Dracula Hair (Member # 10155) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Farmgirl:
quote:
non-superfish people
Only Mermaids and Merman for us, baby!
Myah!


I agree MightyCow, but at the same time I think a lot of those available people don't meet because of various reasons that'd make them incompatible in the first place, and the internet sort of cheats them together.
But before the relationship I'm in now, the best experience I had was with someone I met on MySpace.
 
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
 
I met Michael on Myspace...

Fortunately, that has not soured me to meeting people on Myspace or the Internet. Because I have met some really cool people through Myspace and the Internet. And gotten cool jobs. Also, I use my Myspace to promote my company's shows. [Smile]

-pH
 
Posted by The Pixiest (Member # 1863) on :
 
How can you like Javert???

Eponine was always my favorite. Unrequited love digs a giant hole in my heart every time.

...

How is it you het girls aren't swimming in men? I was never looking for one and I found them anyway. It was always the bi/lesbian women I couldn't catch. (You know, the ones I was actually LOOKING for.)
 
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
I met my husband through the internet-- but he lived 1500 miles away!
 
Posted by Mike (Member # 55) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by ElJay:
quote:
Originally posted by Mike:
quote:
Originally posted by ElJay:
If I was single and lived in one of the relevant cities, I would so do this: Crazy Blind Date.

I just signed up for this last night! [Smile] No dates so far, though.
Oh, excellent! Please start a thread about it after you start going on dates and let us know how it goes! I think it sounds so awesome. . .
A whole new thread? Hmm...

It might just work, though: I may have a date this Saturday! I think this website might just be a brilliant idea. We shall see.
 
Posted by Javert Hugo (Member # 3980) on :
 
quote:
How can you like Javert???

Eponine was always my favorite. Unrequited love digs a giant hole in my heart every time.

Eponine I identified with before, but...long term, she was kind of a fool. Torturing yourself over someone who was in love with someone else and never looked at you? Maybe that's just my line - I've done lots of unrequited self-torture (no more, though) but I never did over someone who was attached to someone else.

Javert tried to be good, thought he was good, meant to be good, and he wasn't. He was good intentions that became twisted by pride. He had enough insight to recognize when his view of the world was shattered rather than rationalize it off, but not enough courage to face that whole new world. Incredibly complex, very human...fabulous character. I love him. Plus, he has a better song than Eponine. [Razz]
 
Posted by The Pixiest (Member # 1863) on :
 
Eponine loved Marius long before Cosette trotted onto the scene. Love makes a fool of us all. Long term, short term. Doesn't matter.

Both "A little fall of rain" and "On my own" trump "Stars" as far as great songs go =P

I've seen too far too many people, even in this day and age, pave their road to hell with good intentioned harassment of other people to have one whit of sympathy for Javert. The man valued "The Law" over "The Good". His twisted sense of morality caused no end of heartache to those he hounded. At least he had the courage to off himself. "That's why I say 'Hey man nice jump.'"
 
Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
 
I'd offer comments, sis...but the last true romantic feelings I had were in 2004. The person eloped with someone else, so I never revealed them. [Razz]
 
Posted by Javert Hugo (Member # 3980) on :
 
Sure. But that's what she was - yearning for Marius. All her motivations were centered on this guy.

I get that love makes fools of us all. I don't get that love makes shells of us all. Javert had dimensions - Eponine was a bundle of need for Marius. She was defined by his denial of her. Ultimately, she wasn't deep enough for me to love.

Sure, Javert had good intentions. That's what I think is universal - EVERYONE thinks they are the good guy. Both sides of just about every war thinks they have God on their side. You listen to opponents complain about the other side and their complaints sound identical. Javert thought he is and tried to be, and he had the rare flash of realization that he wasn't. Both he and ValJean were staggered and changed by mercy, but they handled it differently. That gives Javert depth.

It isn't so much "Good intentions send you to hell" as much as "Even those dancing merrily down to hell have good intentions."
 
Posted by TheGrimace (Member # 9178) on :
 
I've always felt bad about this, but I'm always rather annoyed by Marius and Cosette, not so much because they're bad characters (though the quickness of their "love" is annoying to me) but because they just seem so much less interesting/engaging than the rest. Kinda like if they were off in their own musical I'd probably like them just fine, but they're so outdone by Javert, ValJean and Eponine that I dislike them (though Empty Chairs is potentially my favorite song from the musical atm...) <huge huge huge Les Mis fan [Smile] >

as for the original discussion: Porcelain Girl, I feel your pain. Since moving out here I've had next to no love life. Largely through my own fault cause I'm just generally interested in things that are less than likely to get me out meeting people, but a lot of it also seems to be the nature of the LA social life.

i.e. when I do get out to the bars and/or beach it seems like most of the people out there are the plastic people (potentially nice to look at, but not necessarily more than that) and those that aren't are hard to pick out.
 
Posted by The Pixiest (Member # 1863) on :
 
Javert: Maybe that's why I identify with her so much. My own youth was defined by unrequited love. I was consumed with it and convinced that I would ultimately die alone. This was a major theme in my teen and adult life until my early 30s. Eponine's death in Marius's arms... with him letting her know that, in his own way, he loved her too.. That was a mercy. One I wasn't afforded.

Javert's life of being a busy body didn't seem deep at me at all. Realizing he was wrong after being granted mercy by the person he persecuted is as profound as a child pulling his hand away from a burning stove. Offing himself was the best thing he ever did.
 
Posted by TheGrimace (Member # 9178) on :
 
I definately think that Eponine is more easily relatable (who hasn't felt unrequited love to at least some extent). However, even though Javert is a bit too extreme in his zealousness for the law to really like, you gotta respect the struggle he's dealing with. I mean, chasing down a man who has repeatedly broke the law is presumably a good thing, even though the obsession to which he clung to that task was over the top. Additionally, you could even argue that there was a greater moral reason that he was trying to serve in making an example of ValJean. While we get to see clearly that he's not a bad guy, the public connotations would play differently. I mean, the newspaper heading would read something like "repeat offender felon aprehended after 20 year manhunt" it would probably help impress upon potential criminals how serious the law was (and thus better society). but it's the "classic" dilemma of a Lawful Good character being forced to choose between the Law and the Good.
 
Posted by Tstorm (Member # 1871) on :
 
Ivygirl - Ok, so maybe living in a small town isn't a perfect excuse, but it's still a darn good one.

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Posted by Javert (Member # 3076) on :
 
...I love it that this thread has suddenly turned into defending and attacking me. [Wink]
 
Posted by Wowbagger the Infinitely Prolonged (Member # 7476) on :
 
It's strange, after a couple years of nothing the proverbial flood gates have opened. I had a bitter break up a few years ago and since then I thrown myself into my work. Really just so I could keep telling myself I don't have time do date due to work.

So yeah about 3 months ago I let it be known to a few of my female friends that I was rejoining the Philly dating scene. Almost over night I had dates for every day I had off for the next month. I found one girl of the bunch that I'm quite smitten with and we've gone out on several dates since. Even knowing that some of my female friends are still trying to hook me p with their friends.

Either I'm super hot and I didn't know it or the Philly dating scene is the complete opposite of the dating scene I had to endure while in the Air Force. With a ratio of something like 10 guys to every girl...it was slightly hard to date. Every girl who wanted a boyfriend had one.
 
Posted by porcelain girl (Member # 1080) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Javert:
...I love it that this thread has suddenly turned into defending and attacking me. [Wink]

Welcome to the club.
 


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