Hatrack River Forum: Didn't we just go over this? (Intelligent Design in Florida)

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Posted by Javert (Member # 3076) on :

This is the greatest example of "those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it" that I have ever seen.

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LAKELAND | A majority of Polk County School Board members say they support teaching intelligent design in addition to evolution in public schools.

Board members Tim Harris, Margaret Lofton and Hazel Sellers said they oppose proposed science standards for Florida schools that lists evolution and biological diversity as one of the "big ideas" that students need to know for a well-grounded science education.

Did they strike down ID in Dover two years ago, or was that a fever dream?

Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :

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Did they strike down ID in Dover two years ago, or was that a fever dream?

Without commenting on the merits:

The decision in Dover is not binding on any other court. If the Dover decision was upheld on appeal, it is only binding in the Third Circuit.

It is extremely common for different district courts to reach different conclusions about the law. It is not rare for circuits to do so. So-called "circuit splits" are the most important factor in determining whether a case is taken by the Supreme Court.

Posted by Javert (Member # 3076) on :

Gotcha. Thanks Dag. But looking at it on the merits, I think my point might just stand.

Posted by MrSquicky (Member # 1802) on :

I think the past we might be repeating is less the Dover case than the anti-gay marriage ammendments of 2004. If we see more of these ID situations, I think this may be part of the GOP strategy to get out the Evangelical vote in 2008.

Posted by orlox (Member # 2392) on :

For anyone who missed it, Nova did a good survey of the Dover trial:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/id/

Posted by Javert (Member # 3076) on :

It was a documentary, not a survey, but yeah it was very well done. Everyone should check it out.

Posted by MattP (Member # 10495) on :

Survey can also mean to review or summarize. (i.e. ENGL 2905: Survey of English Literature)

Posted by Javert (Member # 3076) on :

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Originally posted by MattP:
Survey can also mean to review or summarize. (i.e. ENGL 2905: Survey of English Literature)

Well then...I sit corrected. [Razz]

Posted by orlox (Member # 2392) on :

survey: 1. to take a general or comprehensive view of or appraise, as a situation, area of study, etc.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/survey

Posted by orlox (Member # 2392) on :

late post [Smile]

Posted by Javert (Member # 3076) on :

OKAY! So I have a deficient vocabulary. Don't rub it in! [Wink]

Posted by BlueWizard (Member # 9389) on :

Here's the problem, they can make a case for Intelligent Design, though it would certainly be a flawed one, but I highly suspect that it is only their vision of Intelligent Design that would be allowed.

For example, I could make a reasonably good case for intelligent design by saying that it is likely that Space Aliens visted earth many thousands of years ago and saw potential, so they seeded the earth with thier intelligences and that evolved into mankind as we know it today.

So, Space Aliens rather than God, which is a perfectly intelligent Intelligent Design interpretation. And Equally no more provable or disprovable than 'God'.

Do you think the Intelligent Design crowd would accept that particular version in school? I don't think so.

Further, I would actually be for teaching Creationism as a form of philosophy. But once again though, I suspect only their Creation story would be allowed. Now if we are going to teach Creation, then we need to teach the Creation stories of every available culture in the world from primitive to modern. That is Creationism I can get behind.

So, Intelligent Design isn't the belief that some type of intelligence is behind nature, it is the belief that God, and only the Christian God, is behind it all.

Personally, I think Science merely documents the wonders of God. It is only small minded people who can't see that, in my opinion of course.

Steve/bluewizard

Posted by Mucus (Member # 9735) on :

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Originally posted by BlueWizard:
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So, Space Aliens rather than God, which is a perfectly intelligent Intelligent Design interpretation. And Equally no more provable or disprovable than 'God'

Actually, I'd say its much more provable than "God". We *know* that the Stargate universe is intelligently designed, or at least as intelligently as the realities of episodic television allow for...

Perhaps you're looking for the Chariots of Gods universe in the next aisle over [Wink]

[ November 20, 2007, 11:13 PM: Message edited by: Mucus ]

Posted by Boothby171 (Member # 807) on :

Hey, it's Space Aliens all the way down....

Then it's turtles.

Posted by Javert (Member # 3076) on :

I have no problem with them teaching ID. I just have a problem with them teaching it as science.

Posted by Tatiana (Member # 6776) on :

I think it's far more likely to have been a Flying Spaghetti Monster, personally. There are so many unrelated things that turn out to be infinitely noodly, like string theory in physics. That's no coincidence.

I think any school that teaches ID has to teach pastafarianism too. And that would be so cool that it would make the ID part okay. [Smile]

Posted by rollainm (Member # 8318) on :

I'm with Tatiana on this one. Hands down.

And of course we mustn't forget that you can't properly learn about pastafarianism unless you are dressed in full pirate regalia. I mean, how cool would that be?

Posted by 0Megabyte (Member # 8624) on :

Yes.

And having people wear full pirate regalia would help inspire kids to become pirates.

And since global warming is, of course, caused by the lack of pirates, (just look at the stats! As the number of pirates decreased, temperatures increased!, this will also solve the problem of global warming.