This is topic Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints calls Monson, Uchtdorf (p. 2) in forum Books, Films, Food and Culture at Hatrack River Forum.
(This thread was originally announcing the death of President Hinckley. Just the proper name of the church makes it hard to fit in other information on a subject line.)
[ February 07, 2008, 03:41 PM: Message edited by: pooka ]
Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
I will miss him.
Posted by Philosofickle (Member # 10993) on :
As of 10:30 P.M. he passed away about an hour ago, at his home, due to complications of old age.
God bless him.
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
I guess I'll have to settle for a wiki link. All the local news outlets for Salt Lake are crashed and the church website doesn't have it up yet.
This means Thomas S. Monson is in all likelihood the new prophet.
Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
Dear President Hinckley: I got to meet you and Sister Hinckley briefly, when I was on my mission years ago.
You were kind, funny, loving.
I remember the first time I heard you speak in person, back when I was 11. You seemed stern then, but also good.
Thank you, for all that you did. I'm happy that you're with Sister Hinckley again.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
I'm sure we will all miss him-- but equally sure that he is overjoyed to be with his wife. I'm also glad to know that the work will continue, better for his leadership all these years.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
My first thought was that this was unexpected, but I guess his health hadn't been great the past few years. He's certainly going to be missed.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
He is with his wife now. 97 is an old age, by the way.
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
He spoke often of how lonely he'd been since her passing.
After she died, there was an ongoing mournfulness to the end of each General Conference. They didn't have that at this last one, I don't think. I could be wrong, but it seemed like the last time in a while they did not sing "God be with you till we meet again" at the final close.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
My first thought was how joyful an occasion it must be for Brother Hinckley to meet his Heavenly Parents and be rejoined with his wife. I am alittle envious that I cannot witness it.
He was a great man, and more importantly a good one.
My hat's off to you President Hinckley.
I wonder how long it will be until President Monson is sustained as prophet, assuming all runs as is traditional.
Posted by Uprooted (Member # 8353) on :
We had one of those stake conferences broadcast from SLC today. Pres. Monson spoke and he seemed way more rambly than usual to me. At the end he said something to the effect that he was sure Pres. Hinckley would have wanted to be there, but he got the call so he came instead.
I didn't think anything of it at the time, but later this afternoon I thought, "wait, what if Pres. Hinckley is seriously ill and that was the cause of Pres. Monson's apparent distractedness?"
Pres. Hinckley was a great man, and he will be missed, but I am personally glad he's been released from his work here on earth and gets to be with his wife again.
Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jon Boy: My first thought was that this was unexpected, but I guess his health hadn't been great the past few years. He's certainly going to be missed.
For the last few years, I've been surprised every time that general conference has rolled around and he's still been with us.
I don't think it's ever unexpected when somebody who is 97 years old passes away.
Posted by Occasional (Member # 5860) on :
God bless him. He will be missed. I know each prophet has their own special place in serving the Lord, but he will be one remembered as beloved along with Pres. David O. MacKay and Spencer W. Kimball. Amazing that someone his age could do so much to bring the LDS Church into the media drenched 21st Century.
Posted by Sm34rZ (Member # 8609) on :
Posted by advice for robots (Member # 2544) on :
Oh, I will miss him.
What a wonderful man.
Posted by unicornwhisperer (Member # 294) on :
I always knew I would be deeply saddened when President Hinckley died.. After all he was the President when I entered High school, when I graduated from two colleges, got married, had my first two children... he had been president almost half of my life! I am saddened that I won't see him give a talk again (with his sweet sense of humor) but I am glad that he is again with his wife and that he was surrounded by his family when he passed on. Thank you President Hinckley for all that you have done.
Posted by 777 (Member # 9506) on :
He's been my Prophet since I was seven. Now he's gone...
However, I can't think that dying has been a rough experience for him. I mean, he's led an excellent life, by any standards; I have no doubt that he's going to do just fine later on. And to be with his wife again--that must be bliss.
My main concerns go to his family and the Church. He was an awesome leader, and must have been an awesome father/grandfather/etc. as well.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
I am absolutely fascinated by the dissemination of this news. I heard it when my roommate poked her head in my bedroom door at about 10:30 pm and told my friend and me that her parents had told her on the phone. We couldn't find anything online for a while, then my friend's brother IMed her and told her there was story on KUTV. Five minutes later another roommate came upstairs and told us, having been told by her parents on the phone, but everyone already knew. I immediately came to Hatrack and found that a thread had already been made. I should have come here first.
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I am sad to lose President Hinkley - I think he's been awesome, both personally from what I can tell and for the church. He will be very, very missed, and I think we'll remember him the way we remember President McKay and President Kimball.
At 97, though, he's lived a very long and accomplished life, and he's with his wife now. I can't be sad for him personally. I think he died happy and at peace, having done very good work in his life. Good for him. I pray for us, that our next leader will be simliarly stalwart, good, and inspired.
[ January 28, 2008, 09:43 AM: Message edited by: katharina ]
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
My sister called saying my mom had called and told her about 10:30. I woke my husband up to tell him, then told my one child who was still awake and we looked at some information about President Hinckley and about Thomas S. Monson on the internet.
Posted by SenojRetep (Member # 8614) on :
My mom wrote last week from Brazil that they had a meeting with Elder Nelson who mentioned the miracle of Pres. Hinckley's longevity, particularly since he's had colon cancer for several years, but that we needed to prepare ourselves for the fact that no one lives forever.
I believe he's been in particularly poor health for a couple of weeks. When I told my 4-year-old daughter this morning she said "I still want President Hinckley to be the prophet." Made me want to cry. I remember feeling the same way when Pres. Kimball died and Pres. Benson became prophet.
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head:
quote:Originally posted by Jon Boy: My first thought was that this was unexpected, but I guess his health hadn't been great the past few years. He's certainly going to be missed.
For the last few years, I've been surprised every time that general conference has rolled around and he's still been with us.
I don't think it's ever unexpected when somebody who is 97 years old passes away.
My thoughts exactly. I hope I live that long.
Posted by Goody Scrivener (Member # 6742) on :
My condolences to all of you. It sounds like President Hinckley was a wonderful man and I can tell he was very well loved.
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
I'm a terrible person.
I'm sitting here wondering if people will be more offended by my Monson impression now that he's the (probable) prophet.
"A thought was shared...a memory...was cherished. I left Old Widow Hummaker's that day... rejuvenated... refreshed...and ready to do the will of the Lord."
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
You are a terrible person. Posted by Eaquae Legit (Member # 3063) on :
I'm so sorry for all of you. He wasn't my own spiritual leader, but I've heard only good things about him, and I gather he was very loved. My thoughts and prayers are with everyone who's mourning.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
Thanks, EL.
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(It's okay, ScottR. The thought occurred to me that maybe I shouldn't put "President Monson tells a story about 'Little Tommy Monson'" in the center square for the next General Conference bingo card.)
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
I will miss his hopefulness and gentle kindness.
He became a member of the first Presidency in 1981, over half my life ago. Even before he became "The President" of the church, he acted at times as defacto leader when Pres. Kimble, Pres. Benson and other members of the first presidency were very ill. When he became a member of the first presidency, the church had only 20 temples. There are now 124. President Hinkley dedicated 88 of those temples.
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
Thomas S. Monson does have a very warm and fuzzy style generally, but I noticed that he did display (heaven help me) gravitas at the funeral of Elder Maxwell. President Benson and President Hinckley both changed noticeably on ascending to the presidency, and I am confident President Monson will as well.
I am incredibly grateful that President Hinckley was able to address us right up to the end. The lingering deaths of prior presidents were so sad.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:I'm sitting here wondering if people will be more offended by my Monson impression now that he's the (probable) prophet.
Certainly some will be.
I am interested to see how this call will change President Monson. He will be the fourth man to assume the presidency of the church in my adult life and each of the previous men has been noticeably changed by the mantle of authority.
When I was a missionary in Austria in the mid 80's before the fall of the Iron Curtain, we had one couple in our mission who served in Poland. Most of couples in our mission who served in the east block countries had to return to Vienna at various intervals. On one occasion, Pres. Monson was in Vienna to hear reports from the missionaries serving in the east block. When this couple reported on the shortages and poverty among the people in Poland, President Monson took his winter coat (Mantle in German) with which he was traveling and asked them to give it to someone in Poland. President Monson is a very big man and it took this couple some time to find a member in Poland big enough to wear his coat. The sister missionary reported that during the time before they were able to give away the coat, whenever she felt down in the dumps she would put on Elder Monson's coat and sing "We thank thee Oh God for a Prophet. I hope the man who received this coat still has it and cherish's his "mantle of the prophet".
edited to add: If Spencer Condie, who was my mission president, speaks in the coming general conference, I fully expect him to tell that story. Maybe it will show up in a Ensign article sometime in the next few months.
Posted by advice for robots (Member # 2544) on :
I love it when President Monson doesn't have a formal talk prepared and delivers the whole thing "off the cuff." He's funny. He had Elder Wirthlin with him at a regional conference I went to, and kept calling him Speedy Wirthlin. And he had a whole list of dumb things Church members have done. I'm sure he'll still tell plenty of stories, although I agree that this is going to change him.
Posted by kmbboots (Member # 8576) on :
My condolences.
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
AFR:
We had a similar experience with Dallin H. Oaks. For a long time, I'd had the impression that he was one of the hard-liners. Then at this past stake conference, he had us laughing almost the entire time.
He was hilarious. Even the kids thought so.
Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
Scott: I do remember that President Monson didn't get onto myriad widow tangents until roughly 1998 or so.
Then it it became one of his trademarks.
Edit: So many people forget President Hunter. I know he was only the Prophet for several months.
I loved it when he would provide the occasional answer in the old members questions section of The Ensign. He struck a good balance of wise and witty.
Posted by aretee (Member # 1743) on :
My first thought was, "Thank goodness. Now he can get some rest."
He was a great man with a great sense of humor. I will miss him dearly.
I am excited to see what will happen under President Monson.
I loved President Hunter. I am one of the few people who has a mission call signed by President Hunter. I also got to see him speak in person in the MTC. I was standing in a park in the middle of Athens, Greece when I found out he died and President Hinkley was to be prophet.
Posted by Tinros (Member # 8328) on :
My sincerest condolences. No matter that I'm not Mormon, he was still a good man and a brother in Christ. He will be missed.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:My first thought was, "Thank goodness. Now he can get some rest."
My first thought was more of Marjorie (his wife) who died 3 1/2 years ago. Since her death, he has seemed to me like he was just hanging on until they could be reunited.
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
He seemed like such an amazing and inspiring man. I'm so sorry for my friends' and for his family's loss.
Posted by Epictetus (Member # 6235) on :
My hat's off to President Hinckley. Despite my disagreements with the Church over the years, I always felt he was a good man. Posted by Sala (Member # 8980) on :
I will miss him.
Posted by Tatiana (Member # 6776) on :
What a great man he was! Every time I heard him speak I felt personally loved by him. I know that he really did love all of us with his whole heart. I think that's the legacy of his that I'll remember the most.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by Scott R: AFR:
We had a similar experience with Dallin H. Oaks. For a long time, I'd had the impression that he was one of the hard-liners. Then at this past stake conference, he had us laughing almost the entire time.
He was hilarious. Even the kids thought so.
Elder Oaks visited my mission while I was a missionary and I had the exact same experience. He said some stuff that he had to preface with, "Now don't go telling your parents I said this, or write the Ensign saying Elder Oaks said this etc."
He then proceeded to render us all helpless with laughter. It was a deadly force when he wielded it. Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
Yeah, my husband still teases me about the time I wasn't really that sick, but I stayed home from church, and Elder Oaks dropped in on our ward that day. It was the best meeting evau.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
I became really sad about this this morning. I still think all of what I said before, but I'm very sad today. That's about right - I tend to have delayed emotional reactions to things. It's like my body wants to make sure I can get out of whatever situation might be causing distress before I feel it, and this means I am usually sad well after everyone else had dealt with it.
I'm bummed. I liked President Hinkley. I loved his talks - he always felt so full of love and so...understanding about the challenges of following Christ but that it was still always the right thing to do. I really felt like he cared about everyone in the church. I got a big "don't sweat the small stuff" feel from him - not that things weren't important, but that it will be okay. I suppose that's the optimism people have been referring to.
I just saw him a few weeks ago. He was in my dad's ward in Salt Lake, so he came to sacrament meeting when I went to church with them. He seemed to be moving very carefully. Also, the last couple of conferences he seemed almost surprised to still be there - like Moroni at the end of the Book of Mormon. Didn't he say that he wasn't sure what else he had to say that he hadn't before? I guess when you've been speaking in conference 30+ years, that'll happen.
Oh, I'm sad today. Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
Yes, he said an orchestra may play the same piece multiple times but a speaker is expected to say something new every time, and today he was going to say some things that he had in large part said before.
His talk on Anger that he gave in priesthood was pretty interesting.
Posted by Speed (Member # 5162) on :
President Hinckley became prophet not long before I went on my mission. Since coming home I've lost my faith and left the church, but I have never lost an ounce of the respect I had for President Hinckley.
Organized religion is a dangerous tool, as it has a tremendous potential for inspiring love and hate, good and evil. President Hinckley always found a way of bringing all the best elements out of his faith, inspiring only love and doing only good. He was intelligent, hard-working, courageous, humble and generous. In word and deed, he was a marvelous example of how religion should work, and what it should be.
I choked up when I heard that he'd died. Although I no longer believe the LDS church to be literally true, I do believe that it has accomplished marvelous things under his leadership, and that the human race has lost an exemplary member with his passing.
Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
A friend of mine put it really well when she said that she didn't mourn Presiden Hinckley's death (because he was 97 and a great man who led a great life) so much as she mourned the passing of her childhood. I think I feel the same way -- President Hinckley was sustained as prophet when I was ten, and lasted past my young women days until the completion of my degree, my first real relationship, and my first steps of my career. It seems like President Monson will be the prophet of my adulthood -- my upcoming marriage, my complete independence from my parents, and my first long-term decisions. I'm a little sad for what I've lost, but I'm really excited about the road ahead. Posted by Occasional (Member # 5860) on :
I just don't know what to think of Pres. Monson as the president of the Church. He has always been great as a support to others (be they widows or Prophets), but seems very meek for a hard-boiled world. I know that each Prophet has changed in character once they have the mantle. Still, you could always tell what direction they would take the LDS Church by previous talks and experience. Perhaps Monson will seek to increase our awareness of the less fortunate. Hardly a bad direction to take.
Posted by Warmaker (Member # 11467) on :
I was already writing when I heard of his death, so I stopped and wrote this:
Mortal like me but so much more, I only imagine the celestial glory he has in store Taken home by divine invitation, the star of a people, the rock of a nation. A man whom sinners deny and saints dearly love, a century old now in Heaven above. Gods flagbearer, a holy crusader, President Hinckley our prophet, seer, and revelator.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
quote:...but seems very meek for a hard-boiled world.
It is possible to be meek and yet also be a strong leader.
Posted by docmagik (Member # 1131) on :
quote: just don't know what to think of Pres. Monson as the president of the Church. He has always been great as a support to others (be they widows or Prophets), but seems very meek for a hard-boiled world.
Blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth.
Posted by Speed (Member # 5162) on :
quote:Originally posted by Occasional: ...seems very meek for a hard-boiled world.
Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. --Matthew 10:16
Posted by Uprooted (Member # 8353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Occasional: I just don't know what to think of Pres. Monson as the president of the Church. He has always been great as a support to others (be they widows or Prophets), but seems very meek for a hard-boiled world. I know that each Prophet has changed in character once they have the mantle. Still, you could always tell what direction they would take the LDS Church by previous talks and experience. Perhaps Monson will seek to increase our awareness of the less fortunate. Hardly a bad direction to take.
Occasional, I used to think something similar, I guess, then several years ago he came to speak at a regional conference in my area. His talk was very different from those I'd heard from him in General Conference, and any misgivings I may have had were allayed. He may talk on sweet, gentle themes in conference, but he's a tough guy who gets things done. He was completely bold and unafraid in all his work behind the Iron Curtain that led up to the temple in East Germany. You might want to find his book Faith Rewarded to read his account of those events.
Posted by Occasional (Member # 5860) on :
Don't get me wrong. I thought of those scriptures when I wrote my thoughts. God is in charge no matter who leads, but that still leaves my current lack of imagination.
Oh, and something like this is hardly surprising, but the political irony is fascinating. Wonder if there will be any impact at all as they have been discredited.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
I think many people are starting to see it as a positive thing when Fred Phelps decides to protest at your funeral.
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
I guess they were too cheap to fly to Greece and protest their religious leader's funeral?
Posted by Mucus (Member # 9735) on :
Why irony? Isn't this the kind of thing you would expect them to protest?
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
I think that the political irony lies in the fact that people who criticize Phelps have also criticized the LDS church for their stand on homosexuality and gay marriage.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
When Phelps called Falwell a friend of homosexuality he lost any shread of knowing what he is talking about in my mind.
If you read biographies on him, it's very interesting to see how early in his career as a lawyer he took on Jim Crow laws in the state of Kansas and was frequently called a, "N***** Lover" by opponents for it.
It's hard for me to see how he transitioned into who he is today. I would be very much interested in reading a well done biography on him or even an autobiography when Phelps dies.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: I would be very much interested in reading a well done biography on him or even an autobiography when Phelps dies.
Are you expecting him to write an autobiography from beyond the grave or has he written one he's keeping under wraps until his death?
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
Why do you want to wait until he dies?
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
I hate reading biographies when the subject is still living, it just seems wrong to my mind. Almost like you can't really write one until he/she is done living their story.
It would not surprise me if Phelps writes a book once people stop paying attention to his picketing.
Posted by Morbo (Member # 5309) on :
I just saw this will be on 60 Minutes tonight. President Hinckley's interview might be the second segment-- not sure.
quote: 60 Minutes (New) February 3 8:00 PM EST --a replay of an interview with President Gordon Hinckley, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, who died Jan. 27, 2008.
quote: Monson named as his two top advisers First Counselor Henry B. Eyring, 74, and Second Counselor Dieter F. Uchtdorf.
Eyring previously served as Hinckley’s second counselor.
Uchtdorf and Monson have known each other since the 1980s. He was a regional church leader in Germany when Monson was working as an envoy to nations behind the Iron Curtain and dedicated a Mormon temple in Freiberg, then part of East Germany.
Very interesting news. Now there is a vacancy in The Twelve to fill.
Monson and Uchtdorf are both big guys, I hope they don't squish Eyring, I rather like him. Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
That Uchtdorf will be in the first presidency is very exciting news. Monson's calling was pretty well assumed.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
I believe that Uchtdorf is the person to be called as a Apostle since pioneer times who didn't have Mormon pioneer ancestors. I'd have to double check that to be sure. He is unquestionably the only apostle in my lifetime who wasn't born in the US.
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
A new apostle will likely be called April 5, at General Conference.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:I believe that Uchtdorf is the person to be called as a Apostle since pioneer times who didn't have Mormon pioneer ancestors.
Evidently I'm wrong. John A. Widsoe was the last person called to the quorum of the 12 who was born outside the US. He and his mother emigrated from Sweden in the 1880's after the transcontinental railroad. So he doesn't qualify as a Mormon pioneer.
Posted by Artemisia Tridentata (Member # 8746) on :
Grandpa should have lived to see this day. He always said that the Apostles were all Englishmen. Danes and Swedes could be Seventies. But, that was as far as the Church would trust them. He always thought that Elder Widsoe was kind of an accident. He married into the Young Family. Now we have a Swede for a President.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Each time there's a slot open for a new apostle, I wonder if he'll be Latino.
Posted by Dark as night (Member # 9577) on :
I've been wondering the same thing, PH.
Posted by Occasional (Member # 5860) on :
I know that a Latino would be a good choice. I also know who I would want is not my choice. However, if I was to pick then I would want either Kakuchi(sp) or Didie(sp) to be picked. I have been impressed with both of them each time they spoke.
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
Didier and Kikuchi. But I was able to tell who you meant.
There was a strong sense that Eyring "studied out in his mind" the selection of Elder Cook. I mean, they can't call someone they've never met, or rather, they could but it seems unlikely. I think the "studying it out in your mind" is an important part of this process. So I wonder if President Uchtdorf's impressions will be given additional weight in this process. It will be interesting to see.
I'm not holding my breath for a Latino Elder again, though. It made me kind of upset last time.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:I'm not holding my breath for a Latino Elder again, though. It made me kind of upset last time.
Why?
Posted by Uprooted (Member # 8353) on :
quote: There was a strong sense that Eyring "studied out in his mind" the selection of Elder Cook. I mean, they can't call someone they've never met, or rather, they could but it seems unlikely.
You mean you had a strong sense or this was speculation discussed somewhere?
Who had never met Elder Cook? I'm confused.
quote: I think the "studying it out in your mind" is an important part of this process. So I wonder if President Uchtdorf's impressions will be given additional weight in this process. It will be interesting to see.
But how will we know what process they use to reach their decisions and whose opinions/impressions are given what weight? It's not like they tell us how they arrive at their decisions.
Posted by Uprooted (Member # 8353) on :
Oh wait, now I'm wondering if you're saying that Pres. Eyring had a close association w/ Elder Cook and therefore it was probably his suggestion that he be called?
And by extension, that we may be able to extrapolate from Pres. Uchtdorf's experience and associations what he is contributing to the process?
If that's it, still pure speculation, but an interesting exercise.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
quote:Hinckley's sons and daughters with their spouses led the casket out of the hall and between an honor guard of church authorities. Cameras followed the mourners, focusing on his five children, twenty-five grandchildren and sixty-two great-grandchildren who formed the cortege to the cemetery. There, possibly most surprisingly, the eldest son dedicated the grave without fanfare. Notwithstanding the presence of the entire church hierarchy, the son stepped forward to pronounce: "By the authority of the Melchizedek priesthood, I dedicate this grave for the remains of Gordon B. Hinckley, until such time as thou shall call him forth." Then, church leaders were "dismissed," as Monson put it. As the church teaches is the case in the afterlife, only the family remained.
Families are, as Latter-day Saints like to say, forever. What they don't say is that the church is not forever. It is only the instrument for endowing families with the right and duty to mediate the gifts of the gospel to their members, thereby sealing the willing among them as families in the life to come. This was Hinckley's message as a prophet. As he would have it and as the best Mormon funerals do, his message was embodied and enacted by his family who blessed him in death, no less than in life. This is how the Latter-day Saints, at least, bury a prophet.
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
I thought it was nice that his daughters gave the family prayer before the funeral and both if the prayers of the actual funeral. I hope his sons didn't feel slighted.
Posted by lem (Member # 6914) on :
On a lighter note, I read the title :"Topic: Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints calls Monson, Uchtdorf (p. 2)" and then I read Pooka's first post: " ."
I thought, "Man Pooka really doesn't like Monson!" It took me a minute to realize this must be a morphed thread that started off about Hinckley.
I liked Hinckly. He was a good man who did good things. It will be interesting to see what direction Monson takes the church.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
Gosh I think it will be interesting to continue to see what direction GOD takes the church in now that he has a mouthpiece again.
Posted by airmanfour (Member # 6111) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: Gosh I think it will be interesting to continue to see what direction GOD takes the church in now that he has a mouthpiece again.
That rubs me the wrong way.
Posted by MattP (Member # 10495) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: Gosh I think it will be interesting to continue to see what direction GOD takes the church in now that he has a mouthpiece again.
The prophet is not just a drone operating by spiritual remote control. Each has brought a certain character to the church during their leadership and each has had different areas of emphasis/focus.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
Well said, Matt.
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
I somewhat agree with the idea Blackblade was trying to say, but the delivery was a bit off. Also Monson specifically said he did not anticipate any big shifts in direction in his first news conference.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by MattP:
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: Gosh I think it will be interesting to continue to see what direction GOD takes the church in now that he has a mouthpiece again.
The prophet is not just a drone operating by spiritual remote control. Each has brought a certain character to the church during their leadership and each has had different areas of emphasis/focus.
Yes, just as a different mouth piece adds a certain nuance to the tone or a different size reed will give an instrument a distinct voice, a different prophet will will bring his own characteristics to the tune. But overall the instrument remains the same, and the player still plays it.
Of course I believe that there are many things in the church that need doing and often God is content to just let the prophet decide prayerfully where he will employ his efforts.
I just detected a bit too much, "I wonder what direction the prophet is taking the church" tone. I understand that we talk about Moses leading the children of Israel out of Egypt, Brigham Young leading the establishment of the church in the West. But any prophet will tell you it's "God's work" not theirs, and that He directs it.
edit: Also I am alittle sorry that my initial comment was a bit snarky.
[ February 08, 2008, 01:23 AM: Message edited by: BlackBlade ]
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
When the reporters asked Monson and Co what their plans were after the press conference, I REALLY wanted him to say, "Lunch."
Instead, I think he said something along the lines of, "We'll keep moving this work forward, with God's good grace."
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
I would have given my left arm for him to respond, "Broadway."
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
That's quite a sacrifice for a one word joke.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
It's not a very good arm.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
Don't you need it to play the barrel house blues?
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by Scott R: When the reporters asked Monson and Co what their plans were after the press conference, I REALLY wanted him to say, "Lunch."
TBH I could hear the late President Hinckley saying this very thing. Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
quote:Don't you need it to play the barrel house blues?
I bet they'd be even blusier without it.
Posted by steven (Member # 8099) on :
Is that "bluesier" or "blousier"? Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
Possibly both, depending on where the arm is hypothetically severed.
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