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Originally posted by Starsnuffer:
But seriously, I don't really think too highly about the directed insinuations that this thread is... was supposed to be... all about. (That being that KoM is untrustworthy)

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Actually, I rather think we're all politely doing our best to pretend that that isn't the point.

Unless and until KoM actually decides to put in an appearance, we may succeed in that pretense.

So, shush.
 

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Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
 
T=BBsquared
 

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Posted by Nighthawk (Member # 4176) on :
 
What's KoM's challenge rating anyway?
 

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Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
Are we assuming that KoM is conscious and uncooperative at the time, Blayne? Because that would involve the grapple rules. Otherwise, you could use the rules for thrown Huge objects.
 

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Posted by sylvrdragon (Member # 3332) on :
 

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Originally posted by Nighthawk:
What's KoM's challenge rating anyway?

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Originally posted by TomDavidson:
Are we assuming that KoM is conscious and uncooperative at the time, Blayne? Because that would involve the grapple rules. Otherwise, you could use the rules for thrown Huge objects.

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Some quick googling came up with no such rule. It DID however come up with several other people asking the same question... perhaps I'm looking in the wrong places, but I think we might have to improvise this ourselves.
 

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Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
 
Are we taking wind direction into account? Is Blayne calmly throwing KOM or is he under the effects of drugs or say adrenaline? Or are we sticking to single variable equations?

Apparently adrenaline makes for more trustworthy relationships, how about that?
 

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Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
 
King of Men is currently King of Norway in our game of Crusader King's, the year is 1151 and I am Tsar of all he Russias. He had just joined a coalition against me that forced me to relinguish a good deal of territory and now is asking if we can mend fences.

He is also a notorious backstabber in our previous games whose jsut as likely to switch sides at the last minute as help you, I barely managed to crush him.

So, I am determining mathematically based on my ability to throw him how far I can trust him.

How windy is norway? If I am on the Russian border and hes on the other border and I am throwing him towards the west, apparently ynglings are ubermenshen so I dont think drugs will have an effect.
 

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Posted by King of Men (Member # 6684) on :
 
For greater accuracy in the calculation, my weight is 90 kg. And Blayne, let's note that there was no backstab this week; certainly I organised a large coalition against you, but I had never promised not to do so. Nor did we agree to any NAP or alliance or, indeed, have any diplomatic doings at all, apart from the ultimatum. It's not as though I had (picking a hypothetical example purely at random) promised to attack Burgundy but instead marched five armoured corps to our Siberian border and DOWed you.

Anyway, I still think you should have fought it out; you might have won.
 

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Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
 
if all things being equal yes, but I had realm duress, Fasq was busy in persia, and our balkan allies werent commited, i would have been more comfortable had Anders commited to the fight as it wouldve had a serious impact on the war in my favour as it was all you managed to do was simply turn half my realm to a different colour which doesnt effect me at all, just means there's 2 big blobs aligned with each other rather then 1 big blob, he loss of the finish provinces is unfortunate but then again its not like were in 1760, were in 1151, doesnt matter so much.

As long as I held galich I was happy as carillon seemed open enough as it was to broker a deal, varyars insistence on accepting the ultimatum irregardless of what his allies want I am sure will bite him in the ass as well as ulmonts threats to lithunia, if Prussia/Lithunia can be more strongly aligned with me, get back my provinces and manage to commit Eird, Lurken and Anders to the Moscow Pact Ulmonts going down. It may seem like I am weaker but diplomatically I am stronger as I can play the matyr card now.
 

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Posted by King of Men (Member # 6684) on :
 
Quite right! So quit yer bitchin'!

Anyway. Since we had already said "minimum demands" which included Galich, nobody really wanted to back down from that. And to be honest, I at least wanted a big apocalyptic war against the evil uptime Communists more than I wanted the Finnish provinces, which are fairly worthless. Now I don't know what I can put in this week's AAR anymore.
 

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Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
 
didnt you mean "excluding" Galich?

You can still have your war, but you'ld lose at this point. And I think yould rather have me open to the idea of fighting Lithunia with you then me fighting you with lithunia.
 

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Posted by scholar (Member # 9232) on :
 
Blayne, you could make a dummy of King of Men (weighing 90kg) and try throwing it repeatedly and taking the average of that. This is of course assuming that KOM is a willing victim.
 

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Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :
 
Now, according to my math:

Assuming KofM is King of Norway you could safely though him down a Fjord.

KofM is a bit of a Mustang, so a Fjord Mustang can travel up to 120 miles per hour. The average flight time between Moscow and the Norwegian border is about 2.5 hours, so I'd say that you could throw KofM about 275 miles.

But then, I'd better double check my math.
 

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Posted by King of Men (Member # 6684) on :
 
Wups, right you are - I meant to say Turov-Pinsk, in accordance with the reduced demands:


Because mercy and love flow from the Father and the Son, the Kings of the West have been moved to regard for the many thousands, and tens of thousands, who would surely die if matters came to blows. Surely among the fallen would be many not in a state of Grace, who would be condemned for all time to Hell. Therefore, we will moderate our demands.

We are prepared to drop the matter of Khazaria, and also of the provinces Vladimir Volynsky, Peremyshl, and Galich. We must, however, insist upon the full, formal sovereignty of the Abghazian princes, and upon the cession by the Czar of his current dominions in Finland and in Lithuania. And moreover, if even these reduced demands are not met, and the League of the West is forced to go to war, then we cannot answer for the consequences; worse even than our original demands might then be forced upon us.


The point remains, however. Having set out an absolutely minimal set of demands, we could not very well back down from them.

My remarks about apocalyptic wars, of course, apply only to the diplomatic situation as it existed in 1146, game time. This being 1151, the situation is entirely different and so by necessity is my outlook.

Incidentally, I've been reading Jack Vance lately. It tends to creep into my forum posts.
 

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Posted by King of Men (Member # 6684) on :
 
Getting back to the original calculation, it's worth noting that on my screen, in CK, the distance from Moscow to Bergen is only a foot or so.
 

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