Season 4 starts on 4-4-08!!!
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
That was pretty good - there were definitely some good one-liners in there. Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Wow, that was actually a pretty damned good recap to cover the first three seasons. Pretty funny too.
I. Am. Pumped!
I'd forgotten some of those details. I really think this the final season shall rawk!
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
I think there should have been some emphasis on the fact that Tigh is now a pirate. Posted by Telperion the Silver (Member # 6074) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn: Wow, that was actually a pretty damned good recap to cover the first three seasons. Pretty funny too.
I. Am. Pumped!
I'd forgotten some of those details. I really think this the final season shall rawk!
Hear hear!
Btw, which details did you forget?
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Is this to be an officially spoiler laden thread?
SPOILER . . . . . . . I forgot all about Athena and the baby. I'm rewatching some of the episodes now, and I realized I'd forgotten some other stuff like what happened at the Temple of Five and the one Cylon coming to Galactica. I'm sure there are more details I've forgotten too, but that's why I'm rewatching some of the episodes.
Posted by anti_maven (Member # 9789) on :
Grrr - couldn't view it 'cause I'm in the wrong geographic location.
Thanks for the link though Telp, I'll just hover around on youtube until someone posts it there..
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Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
By the same woman who did Lost in 8:15. Very cool.
Posted by TrapperKeeper (Member # 7680) on :
Loved it
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Something else I forgot, SPOILER . . . . . . . . I forgot how gut wrenching some parts of Baltar's Trial was. When Lee questions Roslin about the Kamallah I wanted to crawl under a rock and hide. I remember in the first two seasons when he was her constant champion against all odds, including Admiral Adama! And now it's the other way around, and I miss the old times. But his speech at the end still gives me warm fuzzies.
Posted by ricree101 (Member # 7749) on :
Out of curiosity, is season three really as bad as people say it is? I've seen the first two, but haven't gotten around to watching three yet, although I suppose that needs to change now that season four is starting soon.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I don't think so. Personally I like the first two seasons better, but it was newer, and I think it only got harder to write for as they went on but didn't actually get to Earth yet. Three just got a lot more complicated.
I've heard a lot of people say it was just outright bad, but I don't agree at all. Not as strong? Maybe. Bad? Nope.
Posted by Telperion the Silver (Member # 6074) on :
quote:Originally posted by ricree101: Out of curiosity, is season three really as bad as people say it is? I've seen the first two, but haven't gotten around to watching three yet, although I suppose that needs to change now that season four is starting soon.
No, it's actually pretty cool. The complaint fans had that almost half the episodes were virtual stand-alones, made under pressure from Sci-fi suites to suck in more audience, but it backfired. But the episodes are still great. Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
They still managed to tie most of those standalones into the larger framework of the story. They turned them into character building episodes rather that plot accelerating episodes. They could've done both at the same time I guess, but what I mean is that they didn't waste any episodes.
Hey Telp, check out the bowling thread, I need to recruit fellow southeast Michiganders for my team.
Posted by Telperion the Silver (Member # 6074) on :
Will do Lyrhawn. Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
When I was watching season 3 on TV, it felt like about half of it sucked. When you have to wait a couple weeks between episodes and then find out that the plot hasn't moved an inch, it's a real let-down, especially after two very plot-based preceding seasons. But I'm watching it again now (about an episode a night), and it doesn't seem as crappy when you plow through it that fast. There are still a few very disappointing episodes in there, though.
Posted by Tarrsk (Member # 332) on :
I think the so-called "character building" episodes in seasons 2 and 3 were pretty bad, especially the craptacular Kat-centric "The Passage." The BSG writing staff is great at drama on a large scale- betrayals, war, terrorism, all the big issues. But they're wildly erratic when it comes to the personal angst stuff. On the one hand, they've got Baltar and Boomer from season 1, two characters whose self-loathing was so realistically rendered that it just made you love them more. Same goes for Saul Tigh circa early season 3. But on the other hand, you've got Kat, whose big character moment turns out to be a Cheesy Plot Twist From Nowhere, the flaccid Apollo/Dee relationship (and the annoying Apollo/Starbuck angst that came with it), and the episode about the racist doctor, which was just flat-out terrible.
Overall, most of the good character stuff was from season 1, with some scattered around seasons 2 and 3. But almost all of the cringeworthy moments are from the later seasons. My pet theory is that BSG works best when character development is melded into the main story arc. That's how we got Boomer's "Am I a Cylon?" angst, and Caprica Six's dilemma in "Downloaded." When they come up with single-episode side plots intended to focus on individual characters, we end up with trainwrecks like "Scar" or that one where the Chief gets caught up in the mining ship strike.
Posted by Telperion the Silver (Member # 6074) on :
I actually loved that refinery ship episode... because it dealt with the massive issue of social collapse and the rise of a new upper and lower class. How the survivors deal with the culture shock of total annihilation is something they never do enough of.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Agreed.
Posted by Telperion the Silver (Member # 6074) on :
So any theories on the Final Five?
I think they, as another Hatracker suggested awhile ago, might be survivors from ancient Kobol itself. Why/how they are or are linked to our five characters is still beyond me.
Also the fact that they heard modern music from Earth shows that it is not ancient times down here. It's either now or in the future.
Maybe Earth has been destroyed and the Final Five are from (still playing with the whole Eternal Return thing BSG has going on) there...the last survivors of a Terran cyborg/cylon project... mmmm...
Whatever happenes I'm sure that Colonial Humans and modern Cylons are going to interbreed to become a new race... the "true" Humans.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Bear McCreary, the show's composer said that AATW was supposed to be their version of it, which is why the instruments made it sound a lot more, eastern I guess you'd say. It was supposed to be as if we all came from the same place, but in their worlds, things were just different enough to produce the song that sounded like that, but the same enough to have produced something that close at all.
And I don't see why it'd be ancient times down here. The 14th tribe (13th? whatever) left Kobol in big ships with FTL drives, so, I'm going to assume that when they reached Earth they didn't chuck all that technology out the window. I'd guess that they don't have the same tech as the others do, since they diverged thousands of years ago, but wouldn't you assume that Earth is still a space faring culture?
As for the Final Five (and who is the fifth!), I haven't the foggiest. I do wonder whether or not Roslin is the fifth. I keep going back to the scene where the Deanna (Lucy Lawless) saw the Final Five, turned over one of their hoods and said something like 'forgive me, I had no idea," which leads me to believe that it's someone they seriously harmed in the pat, which I guess could really be any of the four already revealed, but I wonder. But I wonder why the fifth didn't hear the music, or if the fifth is in the fleet at all, or why they all heard the music at THAT moment.
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
I have a not-so-secret desire that Doc Cottle wind up being the fifth Cylon. And they could always backsell the whole "But he didn't hear the music!" issue by claiming he was out on the fleet on medical business or something.
I'm also trying to work out when, exactly the thirteenth tribe left Kobol. Some reports say four thousand years, some three - and yet we know of a virus that was infecting humans three thousand years ago. Ideas?
Posted by Telperion the Silver (Member # 6074) on :
"Adama is a Cylon..."
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
You're going to believe Leoben?
Posted by Brinestone (Member # 5755) on :
I thought we knew who all of them were.
SPOILERS!!!!
Tigh, Anders, Starbuck, Tyrol, Roslin's assistant (can't recall her name now)
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
Silly. Starbuck's not a Cylon. Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
If she were, there would be very little need to steal her ovaries.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
But none of the Cylons knew who the Final Five were, so there'd be no reason for them not to steal her ovary.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
The whole idea that the cylons don't know who the cylons are strikes me as really really dumb.
What is the possible reason for that again?
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head: The whole idea that the cylons don't know who the cylons are strikes me as really really dumb.
Agreed. Especially since Six tells Baltar in the miniseries that there are twelve models and she's number six. Oh, but then later on she gets upset with him and says that they don't talk about the other five. I don't even understand how they know that there are five other Cylons.
quote:What is the possible reason for that again?
To introduce a suspenseful new plot point, sans the suspense? I found the whole Final Five thing the stupidest part of season 3. It's a giant retcon and it shows, especially since the writers apparently didn't know where they were going with it.
Posted by Brinestone (Member # 5755) on :
If she's not a cylon, how did she resurrect?
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
By not really dying.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
How did she not really die when her ship exploded?
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
You and I could both come up with a dozen reasons how it could look like she died there but she really didn't.
I'm not saying any of them are true. I'm saying that when a TV show/movie shows a character dying, you have to take it with a grain of salt.
'Cuz they're often full of crap.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
Good point. Though I would argue that the simplest, most obvious answer is that she's a Cylon. Until season 4 starts and we find out exactly what happened, I think it's by far the safest assumption.
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
It's not anyone in the picture, so it's neither of the Adamas, Laura, Starbuck, Helo, nor Gaius.
Who does that leave? Doc Cottle. And a slew of other people.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
Hmm. I really, really hope this season doesn't suck.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
It's Kara's mother.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
That could actually make a lot of sense.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
I mean, she and Leoben are the ones who've told her she has a destiny, right? It would make her the first half-Cylon, with Hera and Nicky being the second and third (It's Nicky, right?)
Posted by Telperion the Silver (Member # 6074) on :
Mmmm... what about Cally?
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
But then why didn't she hear the music too? Also, it doesn't make sense to me that they'd save that for some sort of big reveal.
"The final Cylon model is . . . oh my gosh it's Cally!"
I like Cally, but that'd be pretty lame.
Posted by Telperion the Silver (Member # 6074) on :
Yeah, good points. *puts on thinking cap*
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
It can't be Cally. If Cylons could have children with one another, they'd have done so by now.
Posted by Telperion the Silver (Member # 6074) on :
New recap movie online: Revealed Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
Cool.
Posted by Mucus (Member # 9735) on :
Looks like the Caprica pilot is a go. link Posted by TrapperKeeper (Member # 7680) on :
When Deanna saw the final 5, I assumed the one she was apologizing to was Tigh. I mean, someone ripped his eyeball out.
Posted by Telperion the Silver (Member # 6074) on :
Actually, I thought a Doral did that...
But holy crap! Caprica is on!!! Posted by TrapperKeeper (Member # 7680) on :
She also tried to kill Anders at one point, when they blew up that cafe.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
For those of you who missed the BSG top ten list on Letterman last night, it's on YouTube. And yes, Number Six did number six. <grin>
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I'd do Number Six.
I'm not sure how I feel about "Caprica" being given the green light. I do wonder what made them change their minds after shelving it a year ago. BSG is one of the last one or two "ships in space" Sci-Fi shows, and I'm going to miss that. I'd hoped that whatever succeeded it would be another show about a Battlestar, in some way shape or form. How exciting can a show be about life on Caprica? What's the plot or real conflict?
I'm excited about their version of Alice in Wonderland though. That should be interesting.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:How exciting can a show be about life on Caprica?
Insert "space station" instead, and that's what people were asking about DS9.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I was too young back then to know. All I remember is my brother turning DS9 on one day and because he watched it, I watched, and eventually I became hooked (though I think it took a couple seasons to really take off for me).
But, if that's what people were saying before DS9, then I see good reason to be hopeful for "Caprica." I'm interested in what they'll do with it, I'm just mildly skeptical. But hey, it's BSG, so I'm going to watch it regardless. Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
Thanks for the link, Lisa.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
Caprica is going to be, ostensibly, about the Adama family, but the backdrop is going to include things like the development of the Cylons, and possibly the beginnings of their insurrection.
Posted by Mucus (Member # 9735) on :
i.e. more angst
Posted by Telperion the Silver (Member # 6074) on :
hell yeah
Posted by Mucus (Member # 9735) on :
Bring it on
Posted by Telperion the Silver (Member # 6074) on :
Another new clip:
Phenomenon Posted by Telperion the Silver (Member # 6074) on :
Oooooo... I can't wait till next week!
Posted by ricree101 (Member # 7749) on :
I just noticed something interesting in the final episode of season three, although I'm not sure how significant it is. When they are all humming the tune together, Tigh yells out "That's enough, God d--n it". Throughout the series, they've been pretty consistent in having the characters say gods d--n it. If this is more than a slip, it seems that despite their estrangement from the rest of the Cylons, the final five share the same religion. It also makes you wonder how much new knowledge was unlocked with the revelation that they are cylons. If it is enough to make them "realize" the cylon religious views, there is probably a lot more along with it. It's definitely going to be interesting to see where this leads.
Edit: Then again, he goes back to gods later on when he is talking about Ellen. Maybe it was just a slip, or I heard it wrong.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
Now I'm going to have to rewatch it.
Posted by TrapperKeeper (Member # 7680) on :
good catch
Posted by Telperion the Silver (Member # 6074) on :
I watched the podcast for the trial episode and Ron Moore confirms the death toll for the 12 Worlds stands at 51 billion. They actually had a whole scene where the prosecuting attorney goes into it, but for time they cut it and actually had to digitally erase the numbers from the top of the dry-erase board. BUT they missed it for a beat when Lampkin is talking and you can see the 51 billion on the board behind him.
Posted by ricree101 (Member # 7749) on :
What scene was that? I just skimmed the trial again and didn't catch it.
Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
It'll be amusing if Ellen turns out to be the last Cylon, and she actually gets to yell at Saul for killing her.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
Or worse, forgive him.
Ellen is the only other option, I think. But I still think that Kara's mother is more likely.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by ricree101: I just noticed something interesting in the final episode of season three, although I'm not sure how significant it is. When they are all humming the tune together, Tigh yells out "That's enough, God d--n it".
I just rewatched it. He says it in plural. Sorry.
Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
I think that Starbuck's mother is more likely, too. There's the whole destiny thing, as well as Starbuck's return from death (though rumor has it that it may not be a Cylon-style resurrection).
Posted by ricree101 (Member # 7749) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lisa:
quote:Originally posted by ricree101: I just noticed something interesting in the final episode of season three, although I'm not sure how significant it is. When they are all humming the tune together, Tigh yells out "That's enough, God d--n it".
I just rewatched it. He says it in plural. Sorry.
Yeah, I caught the unambiguous one right after I posted here. To me, the one I was talking about still sounds like it is singular, but even if it is I doubt that there is anything significant about it. I suppose I just jumped the gun on posting here.
Posted by TrapperKeeper (Member # 7680) on :
I watched it this last weekend too, and put on subtitles when that part came on. he says it plural.
Posted by Telperion the Silver (Member # 6074) on :
OMG omg omg omg...
I just saw a horrible evil spoiler video of 4th season!
I just acquired the season 3 DVDs... That gives me about 67 hours to catch up. Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
quote:Originally posted by orlox: I just acquired the season 3 DVDs... That gives me about 67 hours to catch up.
Entirely doable. At least, that's what I'm hoping, since I have to finish my latest rewatch in the same amount of time. Posted by anti_maven (Member # 9789) on :
quote:Originally posted by orlox: I just acquired the season 3 DVDs... That gives me about 67 hours to catch up.
Me too. I feel your pain. Now where did I put that spare 67 hours....
Posted by 0Megabyte (Member # 8624) on :
Hmm. Spoiler video. Awesome.
Things are getting as dark and despairing as I figured.
I mean, the end of Season 3, even with the hope of Kara coming back... well. 20 minutes to get ready to go, with four basestars after them?!
You know things are going to get bad now...
Posted by Telperion the Silver (Member # 6074) on :
[spoilers]
Yeah Megabyte, with all the big ships getting destroyed...and the ominous "how many people can we kill, 30 thousand"...looks like the human race could be for most part gone.
Posted by 0Megabyte (Member # 8624) on :
*spoilers***
***again, so you don't look, ha ha ha!***
Yeah! Well, the human race was pretty much gone anyway... but now, there will be ridiculously few left. Then again... I suppose that's the point, huh?
Posted by Telperion the Silver (Member # 6074) on :
exactly... Well, let's continue this on the Official Season 4 thread.
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