I took my AP Spanish test today, I have BC calculus tomorrow, and AP English Literature, and Ap Bio final exam on friday, AP Bio AP test on monday.
Even just taking the test wears on your very soul. I wonder how I'll feel come Thursday night(after three days in a row of AP tests).
Anyway, anybody else taking any APs this intense week?
Posted by manji (Member # 11600) on :
A final exam and the AP? That's rough.
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
They collect your soul remnants at Princeton and bottle them for spa treatments.
Posted by Starsnuffer (Member # 8116) on :
Spanish today was ~4 hours long, Math tomorrow will be the same length. The AP Lit test consists partly of 3 essays in a 2 hour period.
Posted by LargeTuna (Member # 10512) on :
I like to plan my whole AP week (i only have 2 this year and their on separate days) i have a AP relax time directly after and before, and a super fun AP party the weekend after (sleep all day sunday after )
Posted by cassv746 (Member # 11173) on :
My AP English test last year wasn't too bad actually. I can't remember how long it was. I was just so happy it was over I really didn't care. I didn't do too good but I didn't get a 1 at least so I was happy about that. But after just that ONE test I was tuckered out. Good Luck.
Posted by Threads (Member # 10863) on :
I took statistics today and will be taking Physics C (both of them!) next Monday.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
I realized AP tests didn't matter, and walked out in the middle of my AP Physics one. I just stood up and left.
Posted by cassv746 (Member # 11173) on :
Well I wasn't going to say that...but mine never mattered for ANYTHING. The class helped me become prepared for the college papers but that was about it.
Posted by EmpSquared (Member # 10890) on :
Mine counted. Took out a solid 16 units out of 180 -- it helped a lot, so that when I had to take a particularly hard class I could only have three classes one quarter instead of four. Which is handy when you work part time.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
quote:Originally posted by JonHecht: I realized AP tests didn't matter, and walked out in the middle of my AP Physics one. I just stood up and left.
In what sense? My stupid college didn't count my 3's in AP Bio or AP History, but my 4 in AP English saved me a couple thousand dollars worth of classes that I got credit for, which matters a whole heck of a lot when you're self financing your education.
AP Bio was a pain. That was probably the hardest test I've ever taken, I'm surprised I got a 3 even.
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
During the AP Physics exam (was it that? Or was it Chemistry? It doesn't really matter...), all those years ago, one of my friends, instead of writing the answer wrote "Make it stop" for three pages.
He got a 2.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
The AP test is essentially meaningless in terms of actual college credit. Ironically, this is the aspect of the test that gets everyone's attention, but it's all a bunch of bogus bologna. Even if you go into college with a bunch of AP units, that isn't going to help your education once your there, and for some people, it's a bad thing. Now you can claim it saves you some money- but it costs enough to take the tests themselves, and the number of units a year long AP course actually nets you is pretty small- about 10 weeks of work at the University of California.
If you're a senior in high school, then you can bet that your AP scores barely matter at all. Your college acceptances are finished, and the units or requirements the tests fill are really minuscule. Ask anybody who's ever actually been to college if entering as a sophomore is a great idea, and you'll get an enthusiastic "maybe." If you're a liberal arts major in a sequenced program like mine, it's actually a mistake.
Gotta love how that stuff was shoved down my throat 6 years ago though. Wow, I bought it too. But in all fairness, it made me a better student to go through the ordeal, as soul crushing as it was at the time. If you can achieve beyond your limits in anything, then I say that's a good experience to have, whether or not it "matters."
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
::shrug:: The tests cost I think $60 each when I took them, so, while I might have shelled out $180 for the tests, I got out of two classes, which counts for four credits, in college. Would have been 12 credits had I gone to a different school. Regardless, it saved me a lot of money.
But even if the courses didn't count for credit I still would have taken all of them. They were the only classes that actually challenged me to any degree in high school, they were by FAR the most fun, and I really polished my writing in AP English and AP History, which helped out in college where profs bitched constantly about how poor the quality of writing is from incoming freshman.
quote:He got a 2.
You get a 2 for spelling your name right, last I heard.
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
The number of credits varies by test and school. For instance, a 5 in AP Biology will give you extensive credit at a number of schools -- credit useless to someone majoring in the hard sciences, but quite useful to someone majoring in something else. Lets see, five credits here at something like $190 per credit hour, at least three of which I would have been required to take otherwise . . .
The math tests are particularly useful, as they're acceptable for testing out of courses even for a math major, meaning the student usually has two fewer low level courses to take (Calc 1 and Calc 2) if they did both AP tests.
I took as many AP tests as I could (and usually didn't bother with the courses). They were extraordinarily helpful in allowing me to take courses I wanted to take instead of boring large lecture intros outside my area of major, and they advanced me considerably within my initial area of major (math).
Posted by katdog42 (Member # 4773) on :
quote:Originally posted by fugu13:
The math tests are particularly useful, as they're acceptable for testing out of courses even for a math major, meaning the student usually has two fewer low level courses to take (Calc 1 and Calc 2) if they did both AP tests.
I took the Calc 1 test and tested out of that level. But the school didn't count the test as an actual credit so I still had to take an extra course. So it got me out of the first course, but I had to take just as many college classes as I would have, had I not taken the test.
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
That's typical for math majors, but many schools will just give straight out credit for non-majors. And I would hope any math major would have no problem with taking some additional upper level math courses. That's the interesting part!
And if I had to take a math class as a non-major, I'd rather it be a more interesting and upper level math class, so I'd still call it well worth the cost .
Posted by Amanecer (Member # 4068) on :
quote:Ask anybody who's ever actually been to college if entering as a sophomore is a great idea, and you'll get an enthusiastic "maybe."
Thanks to AP tests, I entered college as a sophomore and for me it was great. I didn't have to take any of the busy work core classes and instead could pursue classes that interested me more. I was able to get two degrees and a minor in four years. Not to mention how much I enjoyed and learned from my high school AP classes.
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
I entered as a sophomore and found two benefits: First, I could register earlier than my freshman peers, and this continued until senior year when I could register just after the grad students and athletes. Second, I had higher standing on the list for football tickets. Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
Taking an AP in Calculus BC and Psychology and even Biology (the only one in my grade to do any of those) was great for me. Because I was the only one doing it, I had to develop self-direction and a daily work discipline to make sure I was going forward.
I did great in all three. Now do they resemble anything like the amount you'll learn in a rigorous school setting? Absolutely not. But when those AP scores add up to a whole year of credit, at a 30k+ plus school, that's a LOT of $$.
Posted by scholarette (Member # 11540) on :
I took a fairly light schedule in college and could have graduated in 3 years. Since I had scholarships, I stayed four and took Chinese history, Jewish history, oceanography, astronomy and creative writing my senior year. I also took vector calc, which was the only course I was short for a double major at that point. Other then vector, it was a great senior year. I was very glad to have had those extra credits (about 30). As far as costs, well, I'm poor (and was in high school) and was a straight A student. My high school paid for all of my tests.
Posted by Jhai (Member # 5633) on :
I never saw the point in taking AP classes (which, at my school, included a heck of a lot of homework & tests), when you could just take community college classes for free (in California), get just as good an education, and be guaranteed college credit as long as you get a C without having to pass the horrendous AP tests. College classes take a lot less work IMO, 'cause there's no busy work.
I "started" college one class shy of being a junior, but stuck around for 3.5 years to take classes I enjoyed.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
My AP tests helped me register earlier than others in my class, and they saved me a full semester's worth of classes. Definitely worth it, in my opinion.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
quote:Originally posted by Amanecer:
quote:Ask anybody who's ever actually been to college if entering as a sophomore is a great idea, and you'll get an enthusiastic "maybe."
Thanks to AP tests, I entered college as a sophomore and for me it was great. I didn't have to take any of the busy work core classes and instead could pursue classes that interested me more. I was able to get two degrees and a minor in four years. Not to mention how much I enjoyed and learned from my high school AP classes.
You still went 4 years- I did the APS and actually went 5 years, but I was doing essentially 3 degrees.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
quote:Originally posted by Phanto: I did great in all three. Now do they resemble anything like the amount you'll learn in a rigorous school setting? Absolutely not. But when those AP scores add up to a whole year of credit, at a 30k+ plus school, that's a LOT of $$.
Has nothing to do with whether that it's better for your education or not. You're paying that 30k a year for a reason- it's not just a piece of paper.
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
Horrendous AP tests? But they're fun!
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
I paid $100 for the History AP credit I got, with a week of intensive study. I got a 4 on it and it was accepted as a full credit (costing just under $1000) at my university. I managed to get a double major and a minor because of it.
It was totally worth it, money, time and results.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
quote:Originally posted by fugu13: Horrendous AP tests? But they're fun!
The calculus test was fun. I didn't like chemistry so much. Political science wasn't so bad—I sort of enjoyed BSing my way through the international section, which we hadn't covered at all in class.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
I didn't do any AP classes, but I did CLEP out of some classes. That was an easy test - the English CLEP test is ridiculous, it's so easy.
My daughter's high school doesn't offer any AP classes - instead they do dual enrollment. In the summer between your sophomore and junior year you can begin taking college classes at the local junior college, and in your junior and senior year you can take classes via video conference as electives. It's possible to graduate high school with up to 16 hours of college credit, I think, so it's definitely a good idea.
My daugher intends to do the dual enrollment, and knock out English 101, College Algebra, World History I, and Psychology 101 while she's still in high school. There are other classes offered she may take in the summers. Some arts, like Music Appreciation I think. I have the list of avilable classes around here somewhere. At any rate, she can get most of her first two semesters of core requirements done while still in high school, and that's not a bad idea.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
quote:Originally posted by Teshi: I paid $100 for the History AP credit I got, with a week of intensive study. I got a 4 on it and it was accepted as a full credit (costing just under $1000) at my university. I managed to get a double major and a minor because of it.
It was totally worth it, money, time and results.
I wonder why the UC assigns such little credit for AP classes. Given the upper division writing requirements that were added in the last few years, the AP language and literature tests, on which I got a 4 and a 5, were worth a total of one class, 4 units.
We don't pay by the unit, so it's as good as nothing. The only thing the APs did for me was get me out of 1/5 of my class load for one quarter only- and that was after 2 years of AP in High school.
Amazingly, my 4 on the government AP exam got me exactly nothing in terms of credit, because it fell under the breadth requirement already fulfilled by one of my majors, musicology. I asked if the credit could be applied to one of my social sciences requirements... and of course it could not. So yeah, APs were worthless for me in a monetary sense, and took MUCH more time than they saved. But I'd still rather have taken those classes than the others offered in my High school.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
My HS offered both AP and dual enrollment.
I took AP classes but skipped the tests; the tests were optional (though the school paid for them) and I didn't feel it was worth it (as I had no intention of going to college for a long time.) But I was in the classes anyway because that was our version of "advanced."
Posted by TheGrimace (Member # 9178) on :
Orincoro I think it entirely depends on what your major is and what classes you manage to test out of.
Example: I was an aerospace engineer. My AP bio and AP chem scores didn't do anything for me because I didn't need the extra generic science credits that Bio would have gotten me, and the chem that I tested out of was the one my engineering curriculum assumed I didn't need.
However, my AP English scores got me out of a pointless 3 credit freshman english class that would have just been a waste of my time (what the AP test managed to prove to the school) and my AP History got me out of 6 credits of elective history classes, which allowed me to pursue a minor that would have included a bunch of credits not counting towards my major without having to stay an extra semester at school. Additionally, it allowed me to better tailor my schedule during my last two years to have lighter semesters when I had more intense major classes, and to pick and choose my electives with more freedom.
basically the english test allowed me to get out of a class that I would have HAD to take, but would have provided no real benefit, and allowed me to instead take a different english class later on that I did get something out of. And the History credits allowed me to tailor my education better to accept the stresses of the other required classes (though I'll admit I wouldn't have been disappointed to have taken more history courses in college).
I think you're right in saying that not all AP credit is a straight-up good thing, but a good amount of the time it can help you get out of classes that would legitimately not have helped your education.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
quote:Originally posted by Belle: My daugher intends to do the dual enrollment, and knock out English 101, College Algebra, World History I, and Psychology 101 while she's still in high school. There are other classes offered she may take in the summers. Some arts, like Music Appreciation I think. I have the list of avilable classes around here somewhere. At any rate, she can get most of her first two semesters of core requirements done while still in high school, and that's not a bad idea.
What is it about being 16-17 that some people get so extreme in their educational drive? I remember being this way, taking all advanced classes, APs, no lunch period in my Junior year at all. Now the whole machine gun approach to education doesn't work for me- I loathe the fact that this quarter I am doing anything that distracts me from my thesis and projects.
It's funny, I was having a conversation with my Sociology TA yesterday- we were just talking about some of the issues I've been writing about here and focusing on in my musicology work. As we were leaving she brought up the fact that I had done none of the homework for the class. I responded that I hadn't been going to the lectures and didn't always have the assignments- and she told me to just do the remaining few homeworks and participate as I have been in the sections so far, and we'd call it square. I rather like that attitude- as she pointed out, I have been the most active person in the class, and understand the material much more readily given the age difference between me and the class full of 19 year old freshmen.
And as a further aside, I've met puh-lenty of "A.P. Wizkids" that were dumb as doorknobs about anything that matters. I include myself in this group.
Posted by ambyr (Member # 7616) on :
My 4 on the AP Spanish Lit test got me out of having to take the three semesters of foreign language that general education requirements would otherwise have necessitated.
This is good, since I have no idea how I would have crammed my course-intensive major and minor in if I'd have to take three extra classes, but also bad, because it means I'm a college graduate who barely speaks a word of a foreign language.
Given how differently every college handles them, it does seem like more high schools should stress checking out your preferred colleges' policies before enrolling in AP classes, though.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
Yeah, and given that so many Californian students go to the UC, they should be aware that the value of the AP is considerably lower than average, at least for liberal arts majors.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
Yeah, and given that so many Californian students go to the UC, they should be aware that the value of the AP is considerably lower than average, at least for liberal arts majors.
The University is always busy doing whatever it can to create requirements that aren't covered by the AP Language so that they can force their students to actually take writing classes.
Posted by Launchywiggin (Member # 9116) on :
I got 24 college credits from my AP exams, saving me a lot of money on gen. ed courses (which I found were hit-or-miss as to their worth), and allowed me to take more music classes. The AP workload also made college seem like a breeze (until junior/senior year). I loved taking the exams, too. It was one of the most challenging things I've ever done (with less anxiety than performing on stage).
Posted by MightyCow (Member # 9253) on :
I would recommend the AP tests to anyone who thinks they can do well.
Because of AP tests and a single college-level Latin course I took during HS, I always registered for my college classes with the students one year above me. As a result, I always got every class I wanted, while a lot of my friends had to settle for horrible lab times, or missing out on intro-level classes they really wanted.
I saved nearly two semesters worth of classes that would have taught me things I already knew. I got to go right into tougher classes and push myself, which was just what I wanted.
Posted by Amanecer (Member # 4068) on :
quote:You still went 4 years- I did the APS and actually went 5 years, but I was doing essentially 3 degrees.
I'm not sure what your point is. If you're talking about money, then I was on scholarship. I was talking about the value that AP tests added to my education. Instead of taking less than thrilling required classes (i.e. Into to _____) I was able to take upper level classes that interested me more.
Posted by Tara (Member # 10030) on :
My AP Spanish test last year was 5 hours long... it was one of worst days of my life. Even though I love Spanish. But it was worth it...I got a 4 and I hope that'll help me in college.
Good luck on the tests!!
Posted by EmpSquared (Member # 10890) on :
Orincoro, would you like a cookie? You seem so jaded about the AP, it's amazing.
My 4 in AP English cut out Writing 1A and 1B, my 3 AP Government was a social science requirement, and my 4 in AP Calculus took out one class, that I, as a Creative Writing major, was grateful not having to take in college.
In fact, the units I came in with that most of my classmates didn't have allowed me to finish the specific pre-reqs for my major before them, and I got an earlier registration date during an important quarter-- and since my major was inundated with students, I started the main upper division writing track much earlier and avoided a lot of the trouble that my friends did. I had a better school schedule that I could work with my work schedule.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
Emp, would you like me not to read your post? Cause that's how it works.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
quote:Originally posted by Amanecer:
quote:You still went 4 years- I did the APS and actually went 5 years, but I was doing essentially 3 degrees.
I'm not sure what your point is. If you're talking about money, then I was on scholarship. I was talking about the value that AP tests added to my education. Instead of taking less than thrilling required classes (i.e. Into to _____) I was able to take upper level classes that interested me more.
Yeah, I was agreeing with you. I just find that people who are very much into saving money or time in college never seem to actually win out in the long run- I would agree, it's good for getting past requirements if you intend to do more.
Posted by scholarette (Member # 11540) on :
If you are going out of state, it is worth checking if the community college courses transfer. When I was deciding between dual enrollment and AP (a decade ago), the AP transferred better for the schools I wanted. Of course, then I ended up going to a state school anyway so it didn't actually matter.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by EmpSquared: Orincoro, would you like a cookie? You seem so jaded about the AP, it's amazing.
[whisper] He's just been like that this week. I think it may be PMS. [/whisper]
Posted by Starsnuffer (Member # 8116) on :
So yeah, took my calc test yesterday and that went well. Not as draining as Spanish was. I went to take a nap last night at 6 30 pm, though, and I woke up at 3:40 am very confused about how i was waking up without ever having gone to sleep. I then realized that my "nap" had just lasted 9 hours.... That was weird. so here I am, 4 20 am, I just ate dinner, and now I should do a bit of homework and sleep before I have to do anything today.
The main reason I am in AP classes is because classes that are not AP at my school are just a joke. I would much prefer to still have AP Lit and AP spanish instead of my elective english classes during my third trimester. The work ethic and expectations in AP classes are just so much more satisfying than the bare-minimum attitudes you find in students in non-AP classes. While I will get some credit for my tests I did not take them solely for the credit, I took them also so that high school itself was the most helpful it could be. I also was in 2 semesters of history at community college this year, dual-enrolled, and those credits transfer at some level also. The college class was much much easier than an AP class at my school. I also don't think I learned as much as I would have in a class at my high school, and it was certainly easier than most AP classes.
Posted by aretee (Member # 1743) on :
I teach AP US History and I am scared! I hate this week. Every year at this time I hate this week. I'm reminded of all the things I didn't teach, that I should have, and how much the kids should have studied and reviewed and didn't.
But, I also love this week. I hold after school tutorials every day and tonight, the night before the test, we'll stay here until 7 or 8 and we'll order pizza. We'll discuss topics of US history and how they all fit together. (That helps them with the DBQs and FRQs.) I still have kids who come in a year or two years later and say...Mrs. Richey, that was fun.
I hate this week because I am grumpy, moody, and irritable. But, I'll buy them all doughnuts and pigs for their break (during the test) and they'll forget I was unbearable and remember that I fed them sweets.
I didn't take AP courses as a high school student. I wasn't even aware such a thing existed. I wasn't advanced material then (I didn't have the drive). And, not all kids are cut out for AP classes. You have to be self-motivated and LIKE to learn for learning's sake. My step-daughter actually ENJOYS reading primary source documents. She looks forward to those assignments. But, she's a nerd and proud of it. Most of these kids are driven and already know what they want to do with their lives, so entering college as a sophomore is a good thing for them...it gets them into their programs. I was undecided and needed the extra time to figure myself out.
Also, even if you don't take the test or do poorly on it: AP courses are the best preparation for college. They teach you the writing and analytical skills that are necessary for college level courses and simply taking the classes helps prepare kids for that. I think that is why I did so poorly my first 2.5 years of college. I was never forced to think on that higher level.
But, shouldn't high school be fun, too? Can you have both. Orinoco doesn't seem to think so.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I was just hanging out with my friends from high school yesterday and we all went for a walk around town and ended up at our old high school (which is now a middle school) and all spontaneously said and agreed that we LOVED high school, and we all took AP classes that kicked our butts a bit, but we loved school, loved the people and really loved learning more. And I think we academically reinforced each other a bit too during the more difficult classes.
I remember in AP History we had to do a final project. After the AP Test we didn't really learn so much, it was all time set aside for whatever project we wanted to do. So my partner and I created WW2-Opoly. We had Lend-Lease Dollars, the Railroads were the meeting plaecs of the Allies like Potsdam and Yalta, and I think all the spaces on the board were famous battles. And all the Chance and Community Chest cards were historical events that took place during the war. It was a LOT of fun. The little pieces were all paper heads of the various leaders like FDR and Hitler propped up on paperclips. My partner did more of the work since I had to leave early before the year ended to go pick up my brother from Parris Island, so she got to keep it, but every day was like a big geekfest in that class. The sheer number of inside jokes that came out of AP History were staggering. Part of that was the fact that our AP History teacher was a blast, and the other part I think was that everyone there signed up for it and no one was making anyone be there (which I imagine with parental pressure isn't always the case).
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
quote:Originally posted by rivka:
quote:Originally posted by EmpSquared: Orincoro, would you like a cookie? You seem so jaded about the AP, it's amazing.
[whisper] He's just been like that this week. I think it may be PMS. [/whisper]
Better make it an iron rich cookie then.
Posted by aretee (Member # 1743) on :
Just finished the study session which was, as I knew it would be, fun. We ate pizza, and went through the 500 note cards that took us through US history.
I'm exhausted and going home. I hope they do well tomorrow.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
*adds blackstrap molasses to cookie recipe*
Posted by dantesparadigm (Member # 8756) on :
I took English today and I'm taking physics monday, which I'm a little nervous about. Last year I did history and calc and got fours and I think those helped me get into college. There were some kids who were convinced they didn't matter and just slept through it. The joke's on them when they're paying a few thousand dollars to hear an aide read out of a text book.
Posted by Fusiachi (Member # 7376) on :
quote:Originally posted by dantesparadigm: There were some kids who were convinced they didn't matter and just slept through it. The joke's on them when they're paying a few thousand dollars to hear an aide read out of a text book.
Of course, those kids may end up taking a fascinating intro-level course with an engaging professor that turns out to be much more rewarding than the frantic exam-based cramming so many high-schoolers put into their AP courses.
Furthermore, I've never had a class taught by an aide. Much less an aide that simply reads from a text. This had absolutely nothing to do with APs. Your educational experience is unique--do not be so hasty to criticize those who take an alternate route.
Posted by Shanna (Member # 7900) on :
I applied to two colleges, was accepted to both, couldn't afford my preference and ended up at my backup.
Which wasn't bad. The only AP class I took in high school was English because it came attached to GT (though I did all the pre-AP classes prior to senior year.) But I didn't bother to take the exam because our college has its own crazy curriculum and doesn't accept AP credits. For instance, our "English" classes were combined with our history classes to make one course that is taken every semester for the first two and a half years of school.
I never took a class with a TA. All of my classes were taught by professors and even when I took science classes at the university which hosts the college, my physics professor was the head of the entire science department. The English/History lecture class (which is made up of all the students in that year and always less than 100) was the biggest class I was ever in. Majority of my classes ranged from three to fifteen students. Most were seminar based, all work was graded by the professor, and I would have loved my four years there had it not been for the undergrad thesis (aka "bane of my existence.")
I'm just saying...there are alternatives to grinding through high school and living in fear of the TA-lead/packed-lecture college experience.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
quote:Originally posted by dantesparadigm: I took English today and I'm taking physics monday, which I'm a little nervous about. Last year I did history and calc and got fours and I think those helped me get into college. There were some kids who were convinced they didn't matter and just slept through it. The joke's on them when they're paying a few thousand dollars to hear an aide read out of a text book.
You've never been in college, so I'm not surprised that's the image you get. It's also one some cynical person shared with you- because every college student has that experience it seems at least once. That, however, does not make bad teaching the rule. I've got a God Awful anthropology lecturer right now, but she is set against a background of very positive experiences.
Also, part of a lot of first semester/quarter freshman GE classes involve the lecturer or TA giving you some perspective as to how you should be going forward in your education- the ropes of your university.
This is also the reason why you should not wait, as I did, to take most of your GE requirements in your last year, where you know everything, find all the assignments painfully easy, and annoy the rest of your section by being called on first every week. I'd like my cookie now.
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