Um... Just because you believe in God does not make you Christian. How is he getting from one to the other? And most Christians I know would decidedly NOT take their business to someone who told those who did not believe as he did to "sit down and shut up." Including me.
Even if I bought Fords. Which I don't.
Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
Wow, what jerks.
Posted by MightyCow (Member # 9253) on :
They're from Mojave. Clearly the heat has done something to their minds.
Posted by Threads (Member # 10863) on :
Now THAT is some major pandering Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
sit down, shut up, buy our crappy fords.
Posted by Xann. (Member # 11482) on :
I have a feeling it was just supposed to be a stunt.
Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
That ad is a paraphrased summary of an e-mail forward that was flying around for awhile. With the car stuff added, obviously.
I stirred up a storm by hitting "reply all" and mentioning that "sit down and shut up" did not sound like a very Christian thing to say. One of the friends of the person who sent the original e-mail sent me a blistering e-mail chastizing me for insulting the woman who sent the forward because she is "the most Christian woman I know." Fortunately (since she is one of my co-workers) she thought the whole thing was funny. And after thinking about it a bit she agreed with me on the "sit down and shut up" thing.
Posted by Telperion the Silver (Member # 6074) on :
How pathetic.
I'm sure Ford World HQ is not pleased at this dealership... like Ford doesn't have enough trouble already...
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
quote:Originally posted by Xann.: I have a feeling it was just supposed to be a stunt.
Like, "any publicity is good publicity?"
Posted by scifibum (Member # 7625) on :
Yeah that's pretty insulting. Has no bearing on what kind of car I'd buy, but I certainly wouldn't buy one from them. Everyone in my family has a Ford, and we all love them (both my parents got a brand new Focus in the last week).
But I can't imagine what they think they'd get out of spending money on something like that. I can't imagine the Christians who are thinking about buying a Ford who want to insult non-Christians is that big a demographic, and I can't imagine there'd be a big enough difference from the crowd of non-Christians who'd buy a Ford whose business they likely just lost.
I'm betting Ford HQ is pretty pissed about that.
Posted by Sterling (Member # 8096) on :
"Do you know who I think we're not reaching? The intolerant Christian demographic."
Dumb. And mean. Great combination.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
quote:Originally posted by ketchupqueen:
quote:Originally posted by Xann.: I have a feeling it was just supposed to be a stunt.
Like, "any publicity is good publicity?"
...
Gee, like those paparazzi-got-a-shot-of-your-junk-as-you-got-out-of-a-limo-drunk events?
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
Exactly.
Posted by King of Men (Member # 6684) on :
Despairing of the human condition, merely because a few religious people are bigots, and probably have never to their knowledge met an atheist? Come now. This kind of thing tends to backfire in any event; people are often more religious in public than in their hearts, and there might be quite a few in that '86%' who take this as an insult. And in any case, bigotry is curable. By re-education camps and machine guns, if required; but simple time will usually do the trick too.
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
I wish this would backfire on them, but I fear it won't.
I hope we find out.
Tom, you're in charge of providing us with updates now, 'kay?
Posted by Javert (Member # 3076) on :
I'm despairing more at the fact that there's going to be no uproar about this, and Ford won't even acknowledge it, let alone admit that it is bigotry.
I love the irony of using your freedom of speech to tell others to 'sit down and shut up'.
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
I wouldn't be worried so much about the Ford HQ as other entities invoked in that ad.
Like the Triceratops skull HQ. You do not want to mess with their intellectual property legal team. Whew.
Posted by lem (Member # 6914) on :
quote: This kind of thing tends to backfire in any event; people are often more religious in public than in their hearts, and there might be quite a few in that '86%' who take this as an insult.
I actually think that people or more spiritual in private then public. Of course there is a difference between spirituality and religiosity.
I agree with you in that I think most people (religious, spiritual, and atheist) would take offense with this ad. As an ex Mormon with little to no fondness for the church, I can't possibly imagine ANY of my Mormon friends or family agreeing with this ad either on it's intent or efficacy.
Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
More of an indictment of unfettered capitalism. Get a bigger profit by dealing only with folks who have already proven themselves to be extremely gullible.
Posted by The Pixiest (Member # 1863) on :
Any really really bored atheist in the area with time to kill on a saturday? Go in and act like you're going to buy a car. Suck up several hours of their salesman's time (while they do that annoying back and forth with the manager crap) then, just before you actually BUY the car, say "Oh wait! You run that annoying anti-atheist commercial! I'm not giving you any of my money!" and leave.
It's especially devistating to the salesman who's wasted 2 or 3 hours on one of the busiest day of the week with no commision to show for it.
If you can rope in more salesmen while you're doing this, that's even better.
However, they DO have the right to say whatever they want to say. They can mock atheists just like atheists mock them. And one ford dealer doesn't hurt anyone that much.
Posted by BlueWizard (Member # 9389) on :
On the principle of free speech, I say let the guy talk. Remember, it's not a sin if you buy a Chevy ... well, it is a sin, but the point is, you don't have to buy a Ford from this guy.
Second, he is an idiot...well, we all knew that though.
Prayer is not banned in schools. What is banned is school organized and enforced prayer. But that horse died after far too many whipping long long ago.
Today, there are organized prayer groups in public schools. In some schools, like minded individuals gather around the flag every morning and pray.
Other groups get together on school grounds (actually, in the building) to discuss religion and pray.
These are all school sanctioned extra-curricular school clubs, and are in complete accordance with law and constitution, as long as they same right to form a club is equally granted to Jews, Buddhists, Hindu, Muslim, atheists, and others.
The same is true of The Pledge of Allegiance. Individuals and clubs are free to form and recite this pledge on school property. But the school is in no position to require it or to enforce it.
As to removing or not removing 'In God We Trust' from our money. While some people might make a big issue of this, I think a vast majority of citizens don't really care one way or the other. If your money not saying 'In God We Trust' is enough to cause you to stray onto the path of evil, then likely you were far gone before money ever came into the picture.
But 'In God We Trust' can to some extent be allowed out of historical context. I think, in a recent case involving a monument to The 10 Commandments being placed on public property, the ruling did not ban the 10 Commandments on public property, but only banned it in a certain context. The context of the case in question did not meet that criteria and those placing the monument there were not willing to compromise, so the monument had to be removed.
As far as, 86% of the population believing in God and the other 14% should sit down and shut up, as much as I will defend this person's right to hold and speak that opinion, we don't live in a country where the majority can force tyranny on the minority. Whatever laws or social rules exist, they must be fair and reasonable, and not just the tyrannical will of the majority.
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
quote:But did you know that 86% of Americans say they believe in God? Now, since we all know that 86 out of every 100 of us are Christians who believe in God
Only Christians believe in God?
Posted by King of Men (Member # 6684) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlueWizard: On the principle of free speech, I say let the guy talk.
Nobody has said anything different, unless you count my reference to machine guns. We've said that the guy is an idiot and we hope his idiocy has business repercussions for him.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
quote:They can mock atheists just like atheists mock them.
While I know what you're really saying is that people have a legal right to mock each other, I'm not currently aware of any car dealership out there that's airing stridently anti-Christian radio messages. Are you?
Posted by Uprooted (Member # 8353) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlueWizard:
As to removing or not removing 'In God We Trust' from our money. While some people might make a big issue of this, I think a vast majority of citizens don't really care one way or the other. If your money not saying 'In God We Trust' is enough to cause you to stray onto the path of evil, then likely you were far gone before money ever came into the picture.
It's not a matter of fearing we'll go down the path of evil if we don't have the reminder on our money; it's more the statement implied by removing it that bothers me (that our nation does not trust in God).
That said, that Ford dealer's a jerk, but he's just one jerk. If his tactics earn him more customers, I too will have sad thoughts about the human condition.
Posted by MrSquicky (Member # 1802) on :
quote:It's not a matter of fearing we'll go down the path of evil if we don't have the reminder on our money; it's more the statement implied by removing it that bothers me (that our nation does not trust in God).
I don't see that at all.
I think this is one of the big problems in many Christians perception of removing endorsements of their religion from the public square. To many people, "In God We Trust" is inappropriate. It should never have been put on our money. Taking it off is a function of this, not an attept to say that we don't trust in God.
Likewise (as has been noted), prayer is totally allowed in school. It is not banned. What is not allowed is authority sponsored and enforced prayer.
These sorts of questions are not a simple matter of yes and no, for or against. There's a central position of neutrality. Not favoring christianity is not equivilent to disfavoring it.
Posted by The Pixiest (Member # 1863) on :
Tom: Of course not. That would doom their business. Too many christians would get offended and there's more of them than there are of us. The only reason this ford dealership can do it is because there will be a few christians who think their rhetoric is cool and specifically buy a ford from them. They're betting they'll gain more christian dollars than lose atheist dollars.
BUT there *are* atheists who make a living mocking christians and making all of us look like jerks.
aspectre: It's more of an indictment of free speech, but I don't want to get rid of THAT either.
Posted by Javert (Member # 3076) on :
quote:Originally posted by Uprooted: It's not a matter of fearing we'll go down the path of evil if we don't have the reminder on our money; it's more the statement implied by removing it that bothers me (that our nation does not trust in God).
Well, we kind of don't.
America doesn't wait for god to destroy its enemies. America doesn't trust in god to heal its sick and wounded. America is (or is supposed to be) a country ruled by the people, for the people...not under the rule of any particular religion, dogma, scripture or deity.
Individual Americans trust in god. It seems somewhat clear that America, the country, does not. Which is why it should never have been on the money in the first place.
Posted by BlueWizard (Member # 9389) on :
quote:Originally posted by King of Men:
quote:Originally posted by BlueWizard: On the principle of free speech, I say let the guy talk.
Nobody has said anything different, unless you count my reference to machine guns. We've said that the guy is an idiot and we hope his idiocy has business repercussions for him.
Well, that's exactly what I am saying. I'm surprised you took offense at this, but not at my thinking buying a Chevy is a sin (which was a joke, by the way). Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
I didn't see anything in that post that made me think he took offense.
Posted by MightyCow (Member # 9253) on :
The atheists need to have a letter-writing campaign to Ford HQ. That's one of the ways we always lose to the Christians, they're motivated to protest any and everything with even the tiniest hint of anti-Christianness.
When people outright insult atheists, we tend to say, "Well, you're a jerk. What's new?"
P.S. Mazdas rule! Posted by C3PO the Dragon Slayer (Member # 10416) on :
Did you know that there are people in this country who want all sorts of books out of schools, the separation clause out of the Constitution, and science out of the classroom?
But did you know that 86% of Christians say they believe in tolerance? Now, since we all know that 86 out of every 100 of us are sensible people who believe in freedom, we at Hatrack wonder why we don't just tell the other 14% to sit down and shut up. I guess maybe I just offended 14% of the people who are listening to this message. Well, if that is the case, then I say that's tough, this is America folks, it's called free speech. And none of us at Hatrack are afraid to speak up. If we don't see you today, by the grace of God, we'll be here tomorrow.
Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :
Hey, when I want to think about the important things in life, like Faith, God, and Eternal life I always turn to people I trust--like Auto Salesmen.
quote:Originally posted by dkw: That ad is a paraphrased summary of an e-mail forward that was flying around for awhile. With the car stuff added, obviously.
I stirred up a storm by hitting "reply all" and mentioning that "sit down and shut up" did not sound like a very Christian thing to say. One of the friends of the person who sent the original e-mail sent me a blistering e-mail chastizing me for insulting the woman who sent the forward because she is "the most Christian woman I know." Fortunately (since she is one of my co-workers) she thought the whole thing was funny. And after thinking about it a bit she agreed with me on the "sit down and shut up" thing.
I doubt the woman she thought was the original sender was really was. I believe I've been seeing that email for nearly eight years myself- and I think it appeared on snopes.com quite some time ago as well.
In fact I also recall the letter being posted to hatrack as well.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
quote:Originally posted by Javert: Individual Americans trust in god. It seems somewhat clear that America, the country, does not. Which is why it should never have been on the money in the first place.
And why it wasn't on the money until fairly recently, as a part of an attack on the first amendment.
Posted by Glenn Arnold (Member # 3192) on :
quote:Only Christians believe in God?
Jesus is God. So if you believe in Him, you must be a Christian.
Of course, following that logic, considerably less than 86% of Americans believe in God. Some people just want it both ways.
quote:Get a bigger profit by dealing only with folks who have already proven themselves to be extremely gullible.
quote:Originally posted by dkw: That ad is a paraphrased summary of an e-mail forward that was flying around for awhile. With the car stuff added, obviously.
I stirred up a storm by hitting "reply all" and mentioning that "sit down and shut up" did not sound like a very Christian thing to say. One of the friends of the person who sent the original e-mail sent me a blistering e-mail chastizing me for insulting the woman who sent the forward because she is "the most Christian woman I know." Fortunately (since she is one of my co-workers) she thought the whole thing was funny. And after thinking about it a bit she agreed with me on the "sit down and shut up" thing.
I doubt the woman she thought was the original sender was really was. I believe I've been seeing that email for nearly eight years myself- and I think it appeared on snopes.com quite some time ago as well.
In fact I also recall the letter being posted to hatrack as well.
I didn't mean the original original sender, just the person who sent the original e-mail to me and whose entire address book I returned the snopes link and "not particularly Christian" remark to. Which is what I do with e-mail forwards I find particularly annoying.
Posted by Tresopax (Member # 1063) on :
quote:Only Christians believe in God?
Such a claim isn't surprising. If someone calls themselves a Christian but is releasing ads like this one, my guess is that they don't really understand what is supposed to distinguish Christians.
Posted by luthe (Member # 1601) on :
quote:Originally posted by King of Men: And in any case, bigotry is curable. By re-education camps and machine guns, if required; but simple time will usually do the trick too.
All camps and gun will get you is bigots that will look you in the eye and lie. Time and some portion of society attempting to get the youth to, at least, question things are the only cure.
Posted by King of Men (Member # 6684) on :
quote:Originally posted by luthe:
quote:Originally posted by King of Men: And in any case, bigotry is curable. By re-education camps and machine guns, if required; but simple time will usually do the trick too.
All camps and gun will get you is bigots that will look you in the eye and lie. Time and some portion of society attempting to get the youth to, at least, question things are the only cure.
[Deadpan] But then they might start questioning what I tell them, to wit, the truth about religion, and we can't have that, can we? [/Deadpan]
Posted by SenojRetep (Member # 8614) on :
quote:Originally posted by Orincoro:
quote:Originally posted by Javert: Individual Americans trust in god. It seems somewhat clear that America, the country, does not. Which is why it should never have been on the money in the first place.
And why it wasn't on the money until fairly recently, as a part of an attack on the first amendment.
In God we Trust has been part of US coinage since the Civil War.
Inserting "under God" in the pledge was very much a part of the pro-Christian, anti-Communist agenda of the 50's.
Posted by Sachiko (Member # 6139) on :
*vaguely wondering how funny people would find it if she suggested rounding up non-Christians into reeducation camps*
I agree that "In God We Trust" isn't an accurate description of how our country behaves. And I think that's a shame.
Posted by Jim-Me (Member # 6426) on :
quote:On the other hand, United States President Theodore Roosevelt argued against placing the motto on coinage, not because he lacked faith in God, but because he thought it sacrilegious to put the name of God on something so common as money.[9]
I like this guy... was he important once?
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
He was bully.
He also started National Parks, didn't he?
Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :
What I find most interesting is that this Ford dealer is not trying to Evangelize or Proselytize. He is frankly telling everyone who disagrees with him that they don't matter.
He is preaching, inaccurately, to the Choir.
He is seeking not to help others find salvation, but to bolster his own beliefs by proclaiming them loudly and seeing who agrees with him.
"Atheists are bad!" he yells.
When some one yells back that he is correct, he is happy that he now has proof that he is correct.
If you assume that Christianity is correct, and that his faith is the correct faith, it is then his mission to spread that message to those who do not believe. Yet he does not do this. He gathers his faith around him not as a shield to protect himself, but as a sword to strike out at others.
He hordes the love Jesus has shown to him, denying it from those who have yet to discover it. Instead he uses words and faith as a tool to try and be loved by other Christians.
He is a man who has lost his faith, and hopes by displaying it like a fancy suit, others will believe its in his heart. The louder he cries with false impiety, the farther from God he falls.
I don't look at this man with anger, or with fear. I look upon him with pity. I pray that he will find God again.
Posted by Sachiko (Member # 6139) on :
Yeah, a jerk who becomes "Christian" is like a bully learning karate. Now they just have a new way to hit people.
Posted by The Pixiest (Member # 1863) on :
quote: "Atheists are bad!" he yells.
I've spent some time on an atheist forum lately and I'm starting to agree.
*sigh* why is the world so full of people who can't live and let live?
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
quote:Originally posted by ketchupqueen: He was bully.
He also started National Parks, didn't he?
Careful. TR is my favorite.
I want to read another biography of him sometime soon, but he's a man of fascinating odd differences. By all accounts, from what I've read of his own personal statements, he sounds like a racist. He talked about civilization (white people) and their struggles against the savages (colored people), though that might be a product of the deep effect of the American frontier had on him. But he dined with Booker T. Washington, to the great condemnation of southern elites and politicians. He defended a black postmaster, and appointed a black man to be Collector for the port of Charleston, and they demanded that he withdraw the appointment, to which he declined. Collector for a port was a hugely lucrative post at the time by the way. I'm not sure if it was as lucrative in the 1910's as it was in the 18th and 19th centuries, but I suspect it still was.
He was by many accounts a war monger, pushing for war with Spain, recruiting his own unit to fight them, being a deputy in the Badlands of the Dakota territories, even eventually winning a Medal of Honor for his own personal service in the war and the Battle of San Juan Hill. And yet he also won a Nobel Peace Prize for negotiating the end of the Russo-Japanese War. He also created and sent the Great White Fleet on a tour around the world to represent American might.
He fought nepotism and cronyism, demanding that people get only what they earned with no kickbacks, both in the State of New York, and in the city of New York where he cleaned up police corruption in a city whose police force was considered the most corrupt in the nation.
While a religious man, he was I believe the only US president to NOT take the Oath of Office on a Bible. He oversaw the passing of the meat safety act and the food and drug act, and numerous other provisions to add regulations that make food and workplaces safer than they were before.
He was the first real American conservationist president. He set aside thousands of square miles of US land for national parks and wild life refuges, recognizing the need to protect wildlife and nature alike for future generations.
Edit to add:
Just a little bit to add, since my laptop ran out of power. He took over the building of the Panama Canal and got it done, and put Lincoln on the penny, and appointed the first Jew to a presidential cabinet.
They called, and call him, the American Lion, and I believe it.
[ May 31, 2008, 12:23 AM: Message edited by: Lyrhawn ]
Posted by rollainm (Member # 8318) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Pixiest:
quote: "Atheists are bad!" he yells.
I've spent some time on an atheist forum lately and I'm starting to agree.
*sigh* why is the world so full of people who can't live and let live?
Some of those forums are pretty brutal.
While attending my first (and quite possibly last) atheist convention last September, I discovered that a depressingly high percentage of the people there were pompous know-it-all douche bags. I was rather disappointed, and I sincerely hope this was not an accurate depiction of atheists around the world.
Posted by 0Megabyte (Member # 8624) on :
Well, as seen on Hatrack, I'm a know it all douchebag, but certainly not pompous!
xD
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
quote: I was rather disappointed, and I sincerely hope this was not an accurate depiction of atheists around the world.
The people at those conventions are a limited sub-demographic of "atheists who are so wound up in it that they'll go to conventions specifically about their atheism" and it's guaranteed to have a similarly astronomical level of douchebaggery as is seen in the populations of atheists who frequent All About Us Atheists forums.
Pretty unrepresentative on the whole. Most atheists are not going to go to a convention about their lack of a belief. Posted by 0Megabyte (Member # 8624) on :
True.
Though I might like going to something like that, for the sake of meeting other people who feel the same way as me.
Because God knows I don't meet many of them where I live, or can talk about it openly at home...
Posted by happysmiley (Member # 9703) on :
I'm so sick of people picking on Atheists. Atheisim is as much as a religion as christianity, even if we don't believe in god. And you know what, it's HARD to be an atheist. Do you think I wouldn't so much rather believe in god and fit in with everyone? But I can't. I can't even tell anyone, because of how terribly people at my school would treat me. And do you think that that man would be allowed to say that if he was talking about jews or black people. And honestly, most (not all) Christians I know are very hateful and unexcepting of other ways of life. For example, my school had a 'Gay Pride day of Silence' this year. Some Christian kids talked all day about how 'Gays are going to hell anyway, why do you bother?' and 'It's sooo unChristian!". So? And just because I'm atheist, doesn't mean I have no morals or am depressed. It just means I don't think the world was made by some invisible man who created people out of dirt and rib bones.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
quote:Atheisim is as much as a religion as christianity, even if we don't believe in god.
Oh, man. Did you, like, not get the memo or something? *facepalm*
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by TomDavidson:
quote:Atheisim is as much as a religion as christianity, even if we don't believe in god.
Oh, man. Did you, like, not get the memo or something? *facepalm*
How could she get the memo if you aren't organized?
edited for clarity based on new revelation.
[ June 01, 2008, 10:08 AM: Message edited by: BlackBlade ]
Posted by rollainm (Member # 8318) on :
quote:Oh, man. Did you, like, not get the memo or something? *facepalm*
quote:Most atheists are not going to go to a convention about their lack of a belief.
Perhaps not, but that wasn't why I was so excited about going. My motivation was more along the lines of what 0Mb said, and I was under the apparently false impression that this was why the majority of atheists would attend such an event.
And besides, Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Daniel Dennett, Christopher Hitchens, and Ayaan Hirsi Ali were there. What self-respecting atheist wouldn't want to see these people in person if given the opportunity? I mean, their books are like canon or something.
Posted by King of Men (Member # 6684) on :
Atheism is an opinion in religious matters. That does not make it a religion.
Posted by Flaming Toad on a Stick (Member # 9302) on :
quote:Originally posted by King of Men: Atheism is an opinion in religious matters. That does not make it a religion.
Not even so much "religious matters" as "theistic matters".
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
quote:Perhaps not, but that wasn't why I was so excited about going. My motivation was more along the lines of what 0Mb said, and I was under the apparently false impression that this was why the majority of atheists would attend such an event.
Haha. Thus why there's two sub-sub-demographics of people who attend an atheist convention: (1) you guys, and (2) the repeat customers who largely keep guys like you from being repeat customers.
I think I would sooner go to a furry con :/
Posted by Threads (Member # 10863) on :
No you really wouldn't Posted by Jim-Me (Member # 6426) on :
In all fairness, I think the poster was trying to say that atheists have as much first amendment rights as theists... in which they are correct: for first amendment purposes, legally, morally, and practically, Atheism *is* a religion.
Posted by King of Men (Member # 6684) on :
Well, that makes sense, yes.
Posted by happysmiley (Member # 9703) on :
quote:Originally posted by TomDavidson:
quote:Atheisim is as much as a religion as christianity, even if we don't believe in god.
Oh, man. Did you, like, not get the memo or something? *facepalm*
It's a belief about God. and btw, I'm a girl
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
Belief regarding a god or gods != religion.
Congratulations on the whole female thing, by the way. I've never tried it myself, but I hear it's nice. Posted by sylvrdragon (Member # 3332) on :
quote:Originally posted by TomDavidson: Belief regarding a god or gods != religion.
Congratulations on the whole female thing, by the way. I've never tried it myself, but I hear it's nice.
If this were anywhere but Hatrack, this would be met with the obligatory forums response: "What?!?! Their are girls on the Internet?!?!"
Posted by Tstorm (Member # 1871) on :
What?! There are girls on the Internet?!
Yeah. I went there.
Posted by King of Men (Member # 6684) on :
quote:Originally posted by happysmiley:
quote:Originally posted by TomDavidson:
quote:Atheisim is as much as a religion as christianity, even if we don't believe in god.
Oh, man. Did you, like, not get the memo or something? *facepalm*
It's a belief about God.
And, as noted, that does not make it a religion, but a religious opinion.
Posted by T:man (Member # 11614) on :
Am I an Athiest or merely an unbeliever? (what about, on myspace when you pick a religion athiest is secound.) Christianity is a belief about God too, all religions are a belief about god and lifesytle.
Posted by King of Men (Member # 6684) on :
"All A are B" does not imply "All B are A". Just what are they teaching you in all those AP courses, anyway? Macrame?
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by TomDavidson: Oh, man. Did you, like, not get the memo or something? *facepalm*
quote:Originally posted by TomDavidson: Congratulations on the whole female thing, by the way. I've never tried it myself, but I hear it's nice.
Posted by 0Megabyte (Member # 8624) on :
Yes, this is, indeed, very amusing.
Posted by Juxtapose (Member # 8837) on :
quote:Originally posted by TomDavidson: Congratulations on the whole female thing, by the way. I've never tried it myself, but I hear it's nice.
Dude, you're missing out.
Posted by Danzig (Member # 4704) on :
I would despair if I were not darkly amused by this situation. Seriously though, I do not think this is that big a deal. So some morons decide to make themselves look stupid. Either they really are that far off from focusing upon what actually matters, or they are doing this as a smokescreen for something. Doesn't matter; what should be focused upon is political shit, not some poorly-thought-out advertising campaign.
Sure, find out who the owners support, why they support them, if they are corrupt enough to be blackmailed, etc. (By blackmail I mean politically only; if you just want to make money sell some drugs or get a job. (I would recommend the latter.)) But do not sweat it that bad; it is probably just a few idiots who think that God blesses Fords, and hey, everyone who matters to them is whatever denomination they are. This is symptomatic (I hope I spelled that correctly) of a larger problem, but the problem ain't going to be solved by wringing one's hands at every little gimmick.
The way to combat this is by living well, and semi-quietly not shopping at that dealership. By semi-quietly I mean telling anyone who asks why you refuse to purchase from there, but not trumpeting the fact like the anti-Walmart people do. And by living well I just mean do whatever makes you happy in this life, because if there is an afterlife we're probably all going to hell. As others have said, this most likely is merely for promotional purposes anyway. Seriously, who on earth would buy a Ford based on the dealer's religious beliefs? They just want their name in the news.
Either these guys are morons or they are calculating businessmen, but whichever it is, who cares? As far as areligious concerns go, there are larger ichthuses (ichthusi?) to fry.
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