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Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
 
Technically, I still need to stamp the envelope and mail it.
 
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Pffft. We voted 4 days ago. [Wink]
 
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
I'm a 7am Election Day voter.

In terms of excitement I'd equate my feelings towards election day with a watered down version of Christmas morning excitement. Election Day by far isn't my favorite special day, that's the Thanksgiving, ID4, Christmas trifecta, but in terms of morning excitement, I love Election Day. This year might be a little different since I have class at 8am that morning, so I might not be able to wait (though there is rarely a big line at 7am), but I hope I can vote early.

I recognize the covenience of voting early either in person or by mail (and I like the idea), but for me personality there's just a mental component to voting on Election Day, showing up early, being involved in the physical act of voting on the day everyone else is doing it. It sounds dorky, but what do you expect from a history major?
 
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
 
quote:
that's the Thanksgiving, ID4, Christmas trifecta
I thought the trifecta was Halloween, Thanksgiving, and Christmas.
 
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
I'm abnormal. I hate Halloween. It's my least favorite holiday. I despise pretty much every aspect of the day and always request a shift at work for that night so I won't have to be home to pass out candy, and so I can build up good will at work for other holidays I want off since everyone else wants Halloween off.
 
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
 
quote:
I hate Halloween.
Asdfkjalsfjias!!!
 
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Well there's a history behind it. I used to like it when I was younger, but from the ages of like 6 to 13 I was sick every single Halloween and couldn't go out, so by the time I was a teenager I just hated the day in general. Plus my brother would always steal all my candy. The bright side is that to this day I rarely eat candy, so I guess it has certain health benefits.

It's always about childhood trauma isn't it? But yeah, since that happened it slowly grew into a general dislike of most things associated with the day like candy, dressing up in costumes, etc.
 
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
quote:
I'm abnormal. I hate Halloween. It's my least favorite holiday. I despise pretty much every aspect of the day and always request a shift at work for that night so I won't have to be home to pass out candy, and so I can build up good will at work for other holidays I want off since everyone else wants Halloween off.
I don't hate it, but I don't like it. When I was little, my brother used to make little games for the dark, and we'd just do pumpkins. The plastic gaudiness, griminess of the holiday just turns me off. I'm glad I'm working on Halloween.
 
Posted by kmbboots (Member # 8576) on :
 
I was an early election day voter. This year, though, I am afraid I'll be hit by a bus or something. I don't want to take any chances (even though my vote is pretty irrelevant). Also, I may want to volunteer that day.
 
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Teshi:
The plastic gaudiness, griminess of the holiday just turns me off.

The plastic gaudiness of just about every holiday here in the US turns me off. Halloween, though, I love. My family always made our own costumes when I was a kid, and honestly I think that I enjoyed the process of deciding what to be and of making it as much as (or more than) I did any other aspect of the holiday. Along with that, I enjoyed wearing my costume out and getting compliments on it from all of our neighbors. I know now, of course, that I could have worn a burlap sack and a fifty cent plastic skull mask and gotten the same compliments, but back then I took what the adults I was trick-or-treating said at face value.

I would wear my costumes, or parts of my costumes, throughout the year when I was playing superhero, or dragon, or Greek myth, or whathaveyou.
 
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by kmbboots:
I was an early election day voter. This year, though, I am afraid I'll be hit by a bus or something. I don't want to take any chances (even though my vote is pretty irrelevant). Also, I may want to volunteer that day.

I'm going to be voting on election day itself. I'm also definitely going to be voting before heading to work; I'm expecting pretty long lines at the polls this year, and I'm hoping that the early morning line will be shorter than the just-after-work line.
 
Posted by Javert (Member # 3076) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Noemon:
quote:
Originally posted by kmbboots:
I was an early election day voter. This year, though, I am afraid I'll be hit by a bus or something. I don't want to take any chances (even though my vote is pretty irrelevant). Also, I may want to volunteer that day.

I'm going to be voting on election day itself. I'm also definitely going to be voting before heading to work; I'm expecting pretty long lines at the polls this year, and I'm hoping that the early morning line will be shorter than the just-after-work line.
When I voted in the primaries I did it right before work, and there was absolutely no line at all. Hope it works out just as well in two weeks.
 
Posted by kmbboots (Member # 8576) on :
 
Regarding voting. I think that this is a very important article to read.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/223436.php

There is a lot of hype about ACORN and voter fraud. It is blown way out of proportion and may be used as a tactic to delegitimize the election.

Yes. ACORN's methods are sloppy. They hire low income people to register people. This is good because it puts a little cash into the hands of the unemployed. Some of these people cheat ACORN by filling out registration forms with fake names and addresses. ACORN and other voter registration groups are required by law to turn in all the forms. Most of the fake forms have been brought to the attention of officials by ACORN.

The important thing to understand is that fake registrations do not equal fake votes. We could have zillions of fake registrations and they would not make any difference to the outcome of the election not only because they are weeded out before county officials send out voting cards but, more importantly, because imaginary people cannot show up to cast a vote.

quote:
The Justice Department devoted unprecedented resources to ferreting out fraud over five years and appears to have found not a single prosecutable case across the country. Of the many experts consulted, the only dissenter from that position was a representative of the now-evaporated American Center for Voting Rights.

 
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
 
LOL. I was sitting here thinking, "WTF is this voter crap doing in the Halloween thread?"
 
Posted by Tstorm (Member # 1871) on :
 
I think I will vote early this year. I hear the polls open around 7 AM, so that makes voting before work pretty easy.

I also despise Halloween. I have good reason, though.
 
Posted by The White Whale (Member # 6594) on :
 
Absentee Voting is fun. I sent mine in the day of the third presidential debate, then laid back with a beer and watched the debate without a care in the world.
 
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
 
I already voted. Put the ballot in the mail yesterday.

I love Halloween, but I understand childhood traumas ruining holidays. Don't even talk to me about that awful day in mid-February where people put up decorations of ripped out hearts. Not that I have issues. [Smile]
 
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
quote:
The plastic gaudiness of just about every holiday here in the US turns me off. Halloween, though, I love. My family always made our own costumes when I was a kid, and honestly I think that I enjoyed the process of deciding what to be and of making it as much as (or more than) I did any other aspect of the holiday.
You do seem to have a lot of fun with the costumes.

I loved it when I was little, and I love fall here in Canada, but it's just another excuse to drink or party loudly (in costume, like it makes some difference) for my age group, two things I never really got into. I don't like the wild undercurrent of the day for the same reasons I don't like April Fool's Day. The plastic thing is just ugly. Real pumpkins set the scene much better than fake ones.
 
Posted by Evie3217 (Member # 5426) on :
 
I voted! Thank the lord for absentee voting. The one thing that I think they overlooked in their envelope to me was the "I voted!" sticker that I love. I miss that sticker. It always made my day when I voted. Well, that and the whole exercising my civic duty thing.
 
Posted by rollainm (Member # 8318) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lyrhawn:
I'm abnormal. I hate Halloween. It's my least favorite holiday. I despise pretty much every aspect of the day and always request a shift at work for that night so I won't have to be home to pass out candy, and so I can build up good will at work for other holidays I want off since everyone else wants Halloween off.

Ditto.
 
Posted by Artemisia Tridentata (Member # 8746) on :
 
I had to run past the post office and the library this afternoon. So, I stopped in at the court house and voted. There was no line, the Clerk called me by name, found my regestration in about 15 seconds, I signed, got my card, voted, AND got my "I voted today sticker" in less than 5 minutes.
 
Posted by The Pixiest (Member # 1863) on :
 
I voted and have the barfbag to prove it.

Can we have some real candidates next time?
 
Posted by The Pixiest (Member # 1863) on :
 
uh.. a voting thread has an ad for "Custom Rubber Stamps"....
 
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Teshi:You do seem to have a lot of fun with the costumes.
Yeah, it's fun making 'em, and then wearing what you've made. Honestly, the only way I'd actively enjoy a Renn. fest, anymore, would be if I were to have dressed in costume for it.

quote:
but it's just another excuse to drink or party loudly (in costume, like it makes some difference) for my age group, two things I never really got into.
::nods:: That I can relate to; I've never really been a fan of drinking heavily or partying either.
 
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Hey, did you guys know if you go in to a Ben and Jerry's Scoop Shop on election day and show them your sticker, or your ballot stub, or just tell them you voted, you'll get a free scoop of ice cream? Might be fun for those of you who live closer to a SS than I do. [Smile]
 
Posted by Jeni (Member # 1454) on :
 
I voted, and even had to wait in a little line to do so.
 
Posted by Sterling (Member # 8096) on :
 
Ballot went in the mail today. I feel like I've done just about all I can in my own state.
 
Posted by Nighthawk (Member # 4176) on :
 
I put all three of my Florida presidential voting ballots in the mail a few days ago.

... What? Did I do something wrong? Maybe I should fill out another one to be safe...
 
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lyrhawn:

It's always about childhood trauma isn't it? But yeah, since that happened it slowly grew into a general dislike of most things associated with the day like candy, dressing up in costumes, etc.

My family doesn't understand why I get agitated and angry so easily on Christmas, or why I despise the idea of the holiday. The trouble is simply that I remember it always as a day on which I felt obligated to be "cheery" and to see the positive side of things, and a day on which my older sister never, ever missed an opportunity to torment me in some way or another. I think she did it out of boredom- and now I hate Christmas.
 
Posted by Alcon (Member # 6645) on :
 
quote:
I voted and have the barfbag to prove it.

Can we have some real candidates next time?

No, actually, I quite like one of the candidates we have this time. I think I'd like to keep him, thank you very much [Razz]
 
Posted by vonk (Member # 9027) on :
 
I voted yesterday! I actually got two votes, because I forced my younger brother to register, drug him to the polls and told him who to vote for. Now Texas is totally gonna go Dem! ... [Frown]
 
Posted by Enigmatic (Member # 7785) on :
 
I wish my state had early voting. I am feeling impatient to vote.

--Enigmatic
 
Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
 
I voted on Monday! My very first presidential election! [Smile]

(I was old enough in the last one, but was technically still an alien...)
 
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
 
I didn't do early voting, I was an absentee voter. I actually voted against the measure that would permit early voting for Maryland. I moved to Utah recently, but we still own a house in Maryland and I didn't change my Driver's license yet because we're at a temporary address. I'm not even sure I would have had the necessary documentation to register in Utah, now that I think about it. Getting the kids into school was a close shave.

Also, I don't care much for halloween either, Lyrhawn. But I don't know what ID4 is. I'll look it up. I don't really like Christmas either, mostly because my son and my nephew died in December. But I love Thanksgiving. It's my second favorite after Easter, and followed closely by the 4th of July. Even when I was in college I kind of hated Christmas, though I think I mostly did it to appear edgy.

Hmmm. Google says ID4 refers to the Will Smith movie. That was also my first association, but I didn't think that would be it. So please elaborate.
 
Posted by T:man (Member # 11614) on :
 
Darn, still to young...
 
Posted by MightyCow (Member # 9253) on :
 
Even I voted, and I don't believe in voting.
 
Posted by Flaming Toad on a Stick (Member # 9302) on :
 
I voted, and I don't even live there.
 
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
quote:
Hmmm. Google says ID4 refers to the Will Smith movie. That was also my first association, but I didn't think that would be it. So please elaborate.
Precisely [Smile]

It's Independence Day. I use ID4 as shorthand for the Fourth.
 
Posted by Uindy (Member # 9743) on :
 
I did absentee voting. It made my day. This is the first election I can actually vote in. I can't wait to see how everything turns out in November.
 
Posted by Nighthawk (Member # 4176) on :
 
Whatever happens, I blame all of YOU.

[Wink]
 
Posted by Miro (Member # 1178) on :
 
My absentee ballot finally came! I'll mail it tomorrow and hopes it gets home before election day. I know it gets counted either way, but I like the idea of it being there before everything is decided.
 
Posted by MightyCow (Member # 9253) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Miro:
... I like the idea of it being there before everything is decided.

Which is why I never vote.

I'm just voting this time so I can say that I voted for America's first Black president.
 
Posted by theCrowsWife (Member # 8302) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Miro:
I know it gets counted either way, but I like the idea of it being there before everything is decided.

I don't know if it's this way in every state, or even if it's still this way in Arizona, but when I got my absentee ballot for Arizona for the last presidential election, it stated that absentee ballots were only counted if the spread between the candidates was less than the number of absentee ballots. I guess it makes sense in terms of best using limited manpower, but it kind of annoyed me that my vote wasn't going to be actually counted, most likely. So this time, I'm voting in person, on election day.

--Mel
 
Posted by MightyCow (Member # 9253) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by theCrowsWife:
I guess it makes sense in terms of best using limited manpower, but it kind of annoyed me that my vote wasn't going to be actually counted, most likely. So this time, I'm voting in person, on election day.

--Mel

Sadly, this practice doesn't actually make your vote count any more.
 
Posted by theCrowsWife (Member # 8302) on :
 
I'm aware of that. It's a psychological thing. Even if my vote matters little, I still want it counted in the tallies.

--Mel
 
Posted by Miro (Member # 1178) on :
 
I mailed my ballot today and even got a tracking number, so I'll know when it arrives.

As far as I know, DC counts all ballots postmarked by election day and received within ten days of election day. Of course, the outcome is almost always decided by then, so people don't really pay attention.

I know that whether or not my ballot is counted will not change the outcome of any of the elections. I also know that I am one of many whose ballots do determine the outcomes of the elections. I accept my miniscule part in the process and take pride in it.
 
Posted by MightyCow (Member # 9253) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Miro:

I know that whether or not my ballot is counted will not change the outcome of any of the elections. I also know that I am one of many whose ballots do determine the outcomes of the elections.

These two statements are contradictory. If your ballot does not change the outcome of the election if it is not counted, then it has no part in determining the outcome of the election.
 
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
 
MC: then, in any election where the result is not affected by the change of one vote, no one's vote has any part in determining the outcome of the election. Yet, somehow people are elected [Wink] .

Not everything that doesn't matter on the margin doesn't matter.
 
Posted by MightyCow (Member # 9253) on :
 
You are right on the first part - no single person's vote has any part in determining the outcome of the election. Wink all you want, but your vote is still meaningless.

Not only is one person's vote meaningless, but the votes of every single person in some states are meaningless. It's contrary to how we would like to think voting works, but the harsh reality is that we have essentially no say in what happens by voting.

Religion might be the opiate of the masses, but voting is the placebo of the masses.
 
Posted by Elmer's Glue (Member # 9313) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by MightyCow:

I'm just voting this time so I can say that I voted for America's first Black president.

[Wall Bash]
 
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
 
Yet people get elected, and who gets elected is often determined by the popular opinion. If no one's vote had any impact, historical election results would not be like what they have been.

That every person's vote has extremely little impact does not mean it has no impact. Things do add up. Not voting has no marginal effect (except in very rare cases), but that does not mean it has no effect.
 
Posted by MightyCow (Member # 9253) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Elmer's Glue:
quote:
Originally posted by MightyCow:

I'm just voting this time so I can say that I voted for America's first Black president.

[Wall Bash]
Care to elaborate?
 
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
 
A timely bit of research closely related to this very question: http://www.stat.columbia.edu/~cook/movabletype/archives/2008/10/what_is_the_pro_1.html
 
Posted by MightyCow (Member # 9253) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by fugu13:
A timely bit of research closely related to this very question: http://www.stat.columbia.edu/~cook/movabletype/archives/2008/10/what_is_the_pro_1.html

I stand corrected. While most of our votes have essentially zero power over the course of the election, a few of us might have as much as a 1 in 10,000,000 chance of altering the course of the election.

I can feel the power.
 
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
 
A one in ten thousandth chance of altering the election significantly by just that vote.

Every vote has a one hundred percent chance of having some small effect on the election, though the size of the effect varies by the context.
 
Posted by MightyCow (Member # 9253) on :
 
"A one in ten thousandth chance of altering the election significantly by just that vote."

Actually, that was 1 in 10-Million. And that's only people in a few states.

For most of us, the size of our vote's effect is zero.
 
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
 
Yep, just mis-typed the ten million. And the only reason those look like zero is because they're infinitesimal next to the one in ten million.

And you're still not understanding.

That's the chance that your vote alters the election considerably (by swaying the electoral college totals) simply by its presence or absence.

This doesn't mean other votes have no effect, just that they have very small effects that add up. If they had no effect, no one would ever be elected through people voting for the person.
 
Posted by scholarette (Member # 11540) on :
 
It should be a pretty tough election for my congressman- he needs every vote he can get. So, for that election, I feel like my vote matters.
 
Posted by MightyCow (Member # 9253) on :
 
I'm not suggesting that no votes make a difference. I'm just suggesting that any one particular vote makes no difference. Any one of us could vote or not vote, and the outcome of the election would not change.

In fact, I would bet $10,000 that if every active member of Hatrack voted for the same candidate, not only would it not change the outcome of the election, it wouldn't even be noticeable as any kind of aberration from expected outcome.

Anyone who thinks his vote is powerful is fooling himself. A single vote has no power to alter the election. No matter how badly you want your vote to do something, it doesn't.

Throw a grain of sand at a 747 taking off and see if you make it stop. Yes, the impact of that grain of sand is a measurable effect, but it's entirely meaningless, just like one vote.
 
Posted by kmbboots (Member # 8576) on :
 
Wow. I have previously been an election day voter. I live in a pretty politically engaged town, but it has never taken me more than 15 minutes to vote here. I decided that turnout would be high, so I voted early today. (Also, I didn't want to risk getting hit by a bus and not be able to vote.)

I waited in line for an hour and a quarter. The folks who were arriving as I was leaving probably had a two hour wait ahead of them. There has been unprecedented early voting here. Either everyone has decided to vote early, or the turnout this year is going to be phenomenal.
 
Posted by lobo (Member # 1761) on :
 
Your vote is much more powerful the closer the issue is to home. County judges, sheriffs, mayors, local propositions sometimes come down to a few votes...
 
Posted by T:man (Member # 11614) on :
 
MightyCow, your vote does count. If everyone believed that their vote didn't count and did not vote, that would definitely count. [Razz]
 
Posted by Elmer's Glue (Member # 9313) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by MightyCow:
quote:
Originally posted by Elmer's Glue:
quote:
Originally posted by MightyCow:

I'm just voting this time so I can say that I voted for America's first Black president.

[Wall Bash]
Care to elaborate?
If you don't find anything stupid about that you are a lost cause.
 
Posted by kmbboots (Member # 8576) on :
 
MightyCow,

Take a look at this. (Funnier for Obama supporters.) A friend sent it to me.

http://www.cnnbcvideo.com/index.html?nid=MIR9nyzA_cdQH4.qYTDh6DM5Njc1MjQ-&referred_by=11278155-fgxWW7x

Also, some iffy language.
 
Posted by Shanna (Member # 7900) on :
 
I voted! An hour and half in line on the last day of Louisiana early voting.

My mom and I voted for Obama. My dad, after resisting to tell us his choice in the weeks leading up to the vote, revealed his decision to go with McCain over dinner. He doesn't like McCain but my dad is the ultimate capitalist and is content to vote for the Republicans even though he admits that the party is a long way from its old "hands off" approach to governing.

So he canceled my mom and my vote was no doubt canceled out by a ridiculous number of friends and classmates who still believe Obama is a Muslim. I'm still dumbstruck after finally getting some of them to come clean about their opinion of Obama. These are educated people, some of them I know read the Koran with me in college. *sigh*

Atleast the voting site was just a few blocks from the local democratic office and so we dropped by to get a new yard sign (ours was stolen within two days of going up) and got the information on the Obama party tomorrow.
 
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lyrhawn:
I'm a 7am Election Day voter.

I'm a 6 AM Election Day voter. I love trying to be first in line.

Although I always wonder "what if I die before election day? Maybe I should vote early!"
 
Posted by kmbboots (Member # 8576) on :
 
I figured that by voting early, I was going to be one fewer person clogging up the lines for people who can't vote early.
 
Posted by MightyCow (Member # 9253) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Elmer's Glue:
If you don't find anything stupid about that you are a lost cause.

Hey, thanks for the random, unsupported insults. It really makes me care about your worthless opinion. [Roll Eyes]

quote:
Originally posted by T:man:
MightyCow, your vote does count. If everyone believed that their vote didn't count and did not vote, that would definitely count. [Razz]

So what you really mean is that my vote ONLY counts if hundreds of thousands of other people, who I have not control over, act in a specific way.
 
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
 
No, your vote only has more than a small impact on the outcome of the election if thousands of people don't act in a specific way. This is not the same as not counting, merely the same as having no marginal effect.

If your argument were correct, nobody's votes would count. However, people do get elected in accordance with having the most votes, therefore votes must count (or "counting" must mean something other than having an effect on the election). Which premise or logical step do you disagree with?

Marginal analysis is not the only way to quantify impact.
 
Posted by MightyCow (Member # 9253) on :
 
fugu13: I agree with the obvious point that large groups of votes count. I still stand by the fact that any single vote does not count.

Unless the election is decided by a single vote, then no single vote counts. I could vote or not, and the outcome would not change, therefore, my vote has no real power.

A single vote may have some sort of imaginary power that can be calculated by probability or fancy math, but in the real world, it is meaningless.
 
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
 
I mailed in my absentee ballot last night. So my vote is no set in stone so to speak.

I hope nothing happens during the next few days to make me change my mind. Of course, I find it hard to imagine voting for McCain no matter what but if there were some major last minute surprise I might switch my vote to third party.
 
Posted by Nighthawk (Member # 4176) on :
 
Everyone's been asking me why I don't vote early.

My answer: there's still a campaign going on. Ample opportunity for the person that would be my choice to screw things up.

For example, I send a vote in for candidate "A". Next day, candidate "A" says or does something so blunderously stupid ("Hi! I'm Candidate A and I eat babies!" *CHOMP!*) that makes me and a vast majority of people not want him anymore. But... but... I already voted! Oh noes! The baby eating moron's going to win and there's nothing I can do about it!

Come to think of it, I *am* in Florida. Guess I can just vote again, right?
 
Posted by scholarette (Member # 11540) on :
 
I voted! Only 15 minutes. If after this many months of campaigning, we haven't learned about a candidates baby eating tendencies, are we really going to learn about them in the next few days?

I vote because I want to minimize the percentage by which the other guy wins. I know my guy isn't going to win, but if it is close atleast, maybe they won't assume everyone agrees with them.
 
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
 
I'm concerned about whether absentee ballots will ever actually be counted. In many cases, absentee ballots may not even be received before one candidate or the other concedes the election. In those cases, absentee ballots (even the ones received well in advance) never get counted.

Historically, this hasn't made much difference because a relatively small percent of voters cast absentee ballots and they do get counted if there is a recount which always happens if there is a very narrow margin. But now a very significant number of people are voting early or casting absentee ballots.

Two years ago in Utah, there were some very significant shifts in precincts during recounts because of the inclusion of absentee ballots. These shifts were big enough to conclude that there is a selection bias if you exclude early and absentee ballots. (Either that or there are some major bugs in the touch screen machines). I'd really like to know how and whether this is being dealt with in different places and the impact it might have on early returns.
 
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
As many as a third of the electorate is voting early this year. I'm not sure what the split is between absentee and early voting in person, but it's still tens of millions of people.

With the possible exception of military ballots, all absentee ballots have to be received by election day or they don't count. At least that's how it works here. If you don't get it in the mail in time, it's your own fault.

I think they should all be counted, for a couple reasons. Simple fairness is one. If someone votes, it should count, regardless. Also, if a district has 30,000 absentee ballots and they're all for one guy but aren't counted because he lost by 30,001 vote, that's ridiculous. It could be that he only lost by one vote, or a recount might find he actually won, but it's still not fair. The volume alone this year should make it necessary and unavoidable.
 
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Here there are other options if you can't get it in the mail in time. You still have to get it there but you can

-drop it off in person at a polling place
-have someone else drop it off for you (there's a place to authorize this on the back of the sample ballot)
-fax it
-if you lose your ballot or don't recieve it in time, you can go to the county website, print out a sample ballot, fill it out, and print out a provisional ballot signature form and fax it or turn it in in person.
 
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
 
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With the possible exception of military ballots, all absentee ballots have to be received by election day or they don't count. At least that's how it works here. If you don't get it in the mail in time, it's your own fault.
No. For all US citizens living oversees, ballots need only be postmarked before election day -- they do not have to be received before election day.
 
Posted by maui babe (Member # 1894) on :
 
I just finished voting at the county clerk's office. Election day is a state holiday here, so I don't have to work next Tuesday (woot!) but I work directly across the street from the county building, so I went with some co-workers after our Halloween breakfast potluck. Now I can be lazy on Tuesday.

I doubt my presidential vote will matter, since I don't live in a battleground state, but I have some strong opinions on some of our local candidates. So I felt good about voting for them.
 


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