A gallon of gasoline is $1.95 in some parts of fort worth. Wow. I thought to myself. In one year the stock market has lost 50% of its worth (8 trillion dollars) and oil has lost 1/2 of its sale price. ($3.95 to 1.95).
It is crystal clear now that strange things were afoot, and devious creatures at hand at the puppet strings of the world economy.
Over the last 8 years, people looked at the economy, oil prices and the stock market, like the weather. There is nothing we can do about it, so just dress accordingly.
During these 8 years, I stressed time and time again that Christians needed to be informed, educated and concerned about economics as much as any other issue that they might care about.
I was branded a looney, and my Christianity was seen as suspect. "How can he talk about economics when we're losing the war against abortion and gay marriage? How can he question the Churches of America's messages and actions?"
Maybe people who were not concerned about economics believed that because a dollar is a quantifiable object using simple math, it would be impossible to 'steal' trillions of dollars from the piggy banks of billions of hard working good people. 'Credit' I believe is the fly in the ointment. Banks were/are able to borrow 90% of 'artificial' currency off of their 10% cash on hand. Since banks so closely borrow from each other, they can borrow the cash today, get a loan, and then loan 11% out tomorrow. This was a very complex pyramid scheme that turned debt into currency and them requires governments to print cash to match the amount of 'debt cash' that has flowed into the world.
So when the world governments have to pay cash for the trillions of dollars of bad debts, who gets the cash and the assests?
Our entire global economy is now built on a house of flaming cards with a foundation of smoke and mirrors, with banks and the largest cash holders in the world holding everything and every one hostage.
Justified Greed has been a strong theme in America for twenty or thirty years now, 'Hey, it is Ok. If you can get it, you deserve it all. It is never too much."
Now we are going to deal with the intrinsic punishments built into thinking and governing under this philosophy.
"Spread the wealth"
No?
How about
"Share the resources."
Or does one man really own a billion fish in the sea and another man owns none?
Jesus spoke of teaching men to fish.
Fish are a tangible resource.
Food is something we all need.
It would be a good time for good people to figure out the biggest problems facing America and the world today, and it would be a great time to find solutions.
To do this, we must consider all people on Earth as God's children with a equal place on this planet.
maybe this is impossible for generations who have been taught differently
i do hope we find a way to make this world better
It is our duty to give all children born into this world a good world to live in.
T
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
You could stop posting here...
Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
You know, your message would be less garbled and more welcome if you'd stop projecting motives onto others.
Posted by Boris (Member # 6935) on :
I can't help but think that this is Thor, and that he likes changing his name so it looks like people *actually* think like he does.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
It is Thor, and his opinion is worth as much as it ever was under any name.
I don't ask him to stop though, as it is just who he is. Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
Boris, it is Thor. He's never been anything but open about that fact.
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That said, Thor, I think your posts would be more effective if you made them a bit less histrionic. There's nothing in them that's particularly controversial -- Christians should care about the poor, for example, is hardly news -- but your tone obscures your point.
Posted by T:man (Member # 11614) on :
I actually like his posts. Posted by Unicorn Feelings (Member # 11784) on :
I understand how in other posts I come off as "a jerk" but in this post I toned it down as much as possible, and tried to be very civil and open to all discussions.
I make the assertion that A) America has been pretty greedy over the last 20 years and B) American Religions have not been as focused on Economics or the Care of the poor and working class.
Both assertions have tons of data to support them.
We've bailed out banks 20 times since 1980 and each time we did not FIX the problem, we just gave the banks cash, and aquired their bad debts.
We've done nothing to fix the problem, and given them ungodly sums of money.
Crazy.
Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
quote:Originally posted by Unicorn Feelings: I understand how in other posts I come off as "a jerk" but in this post I toned it down as much as possible, and tried to be very civil and open to all discussions.
Removing the gratuitous "I'm a wounded victim and you're all against me!" passages would be a good start. Posted by Unicorn Feelings (Member # 11784) on :
...but, I am without a doubt a wounded victim.
Posted by Unicorn Feelings (Member # 11784) on :
not from anything done at hatrack, though.
Posted by Boris (Member # 6935) on :
You do realize there are about a million different ways to "care for the poor" and that organizations can focus on many different things at once, right?
And you are a victim of your own ego and laziness. You have chosen *not* to develop any real marketable skills in your time and you spend your spare time doing what, exactly? Aside from attempting to derive pity from people on the Internet and ranting about how much your life sucks because of what other people do.
Take control of your life and make something of yourself. Don't just sit back and wait for other people to give you everything.
Posted by Unicorn Feelings (Member # 11784) on :
When did I ever rant about how much my life sucks?
What am I waiting for other people to give me?
Wow. This is what I am talking about. I get full on attacked, and if I hit back I get warned. Yikes
Posted by T:man (Member # 11614) on :
I'm nice to you, I don't get a thank you?
Grumble grumble...
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
quote:Originally posted by T:man: I actually like his posts.
Which is as clear an indication as any that they don't make a lick of sense.
Posted by Unicorn Feelings (Member # 11784) on :
Boris.
If original thought hurts your brain so bad.
Maybe you should stop reading my threads, and go back to the safe places you are spoon fed your opinion from.
If I need opinions on potatoes, I will email you.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
Perhaps if you elucidated your original post in a less... flamboyant manner.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
Thor, this is what I don't quite get: why do you think your posts contain original thought? I mean, do you really believe that none of the other Christians on this board are fiscal liberals in a way that derives from their commitment to their faith?
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
Tom, haven't you ever sat up late in a dorm cafeteria and talked about some everyday subject in a way that you assume has NEVER been done before? I think it's just one of those things you go through before you gain a teensy bit of perspective and respect for other people. We're all guilty of it (maybe in a less visible manner though...) from time to time.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
Yeah, I came up with the idea of legal obligation not truly existing, then defended it brilliantly, only to discover that Feinberg said the same thing and more or less same arguments in the 70s. I was crushed.
Edit: Oh, by huge coincidence it turned out that the eminent Joel Feinberg was the mentor of my mentor.
Posted by Unicorn Feelings (Member # 11784) on :
Compare the # of threads at hatrack, Abortion, Gay Marriage and Christianity + Economics. No my theories are not 'original' but it sure feels like it. Posted by Boris (Member # 6935) on :
Oh no. Original thought doesn't hurt my brain. Reading egotistical, self-absorbed thought does. It's quite obvious that you assume you are inevitably correct and that everyone who doesn't think the same way you do is an idiot. You write these posts to make yourself feel like an intellectual that is above everyone else. Everything you write stinks of selfish pride and disdain for everyone but yourself.
Posted by Unicorn Feelings (Member # 11784) on :
Boris. Sounds like you need a girlfriend buddy. I don't call anyone an idiot, though I get called that and worse often here. I don't attack individuals, because none of us are singularly to blame.
My issue is with the Big Bodies that take up the mantle of "Protecting the People.", or the people themselves, Americans on whole, I am not sin free, though I am not greedy, I do things to the excess, for sure.
I do not judge individuals. That is for God to do. I do not know who will be let into the gates of Heaven, nor do I even try to guess.
I do believe that I am correct that a blind eye has been turned towards economics, and many people have 'prospered' during this time.
Boris, you see kid. You and I are different Christians, cut from a different cloth, but both filled with the same breath of God. I have been sent by God into the darkest places in America's cities on my never ending quest. I have seen this country from inside out. I have seen it's very worst eye to eye. And I have saved more than one life in the process.
You cannot walk in my shoes and I cannot walk in yours. You cannot understand the path that God has laid for me, nor can I understand the path God has laid for you. It is best to respect each other and give wishes and prayers that one day we will both have lived a good, successful life and let our grace shine like a beacon to others.
If you think God only works through Puritans, I am going to bet you sir, are mistaken. Maybe you are right. Only God knows.
I ask everyone to read the wonderful editorial at the end of today's USA TODAY, it is by a Baptist Preacher, who talks about all the things I want to say but does it much more elegantly but does it with out the combative nature.
Ungodly Hubris - by Oliver Thomas
it is excellent
The reason God gives me the hard missions is because just like The Dark Knight, he knows I can take it.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by Unicorn Feelings: Boris. Sounds like you need a girlfriend buddy.
quote:Originally posted by Unicorn Feelings: I don't attack individuals
The irony! It burns, it burns!
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
UF, when you put ridiculous words in the mouths of others - as you have done to me several times in the past month - you are attacking those people.
Plus, you definitely attack groups of individuals. The fact that you use a hand grenade rather than a sniper rifle doesn't change that fact.
Posted by Boris (Member # 6935) on :
quote:Originally posted by Unicorn Feelings: The reason God gives me the hard missions is because just like The Dark Knight, he knows I can take it.
Thank you for proving me right. You are no better than the groups you attack.
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
quote:The fact that you use a hand grenade rather than a sniper rifle doesn't change that fact.
Please. At worst, a very large banana peel.
Posted by Boris (Member # 6935) on :
I'm allergic to bananas...
(Okay, not really...)
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
quote:I have been sent by God into the darkest places in America's cities on my never ending quest.
Aren't you still in Houston or something? Man, I grew up in Detroit.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
Having lived in both places, Houston is worse. It's humid. I can handle trash lining the streets as long as it is a pleasant 70 degrees.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
#1 does not clog the toilet nearly as often as #2.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
Um. *blink*
Okay, you claim to have lived in Detroit, but you also imply it's not humid. Perhaps there's a Detroit, Texas that I don't know about. Posted by Unicorn Feelings (Member # 11784) on :
Dagonee, it is time for you to stop saying it is ok to kill purple bunnies, it is not ok to murder purple bunnies, nor is it ok for you to horde all the doritos. You gotta learn to share dude, and stop telling people Cher is the greatest artist of all time.
I've lived in Dallas, Chicago, Houston, Austin, Hollywood and Ft. Worth. Houston is by far my least favorite, though Hollywood had the most debaucherous habits.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
If you had every really live in Hollywood, You would say that you've lived in L.A. Posted by Unicorn Feelings (Member # 11784) on :
What she said.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
Compared to Houston, Detroit isn't humid at all.
Posted by Unicorn Feelings (Member # 11784) on :
I lived at 3rd and La Brea.
That's smack in the middle of Hollywood, baby!
Posted by Unicorn Feelings (Member # 11784) on :
also, I know saying this might get me kicked from Hatrack, but...
IN AND OUT BURGER IS OVER RATED
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by Unicorn Feelings: I lived at 3rd and La Brea.
That's smack in the middle of Hollywood, baby!
No it's not.
Trust me -- I grew up about 4 blocks from there. Hollywood is a good 10-15 minutes away.
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
Yeah. I live in the middle of Hollywood now, and 3rd and La Brea is several miles away.
Also, La Brea is the border between Hollywood and WeHo, so, depending on what side of La Brea you lived on there's a chance you didn't even live in Hollywood.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
That part of La Brea isn't in Hollywood or West Hollywood -- it's that amorphous area most commonly called the Miracle Mile (aka Hancock-Park-adjacent, as the realtors would have it).
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
quote:Originally posted by El JT de Spang: Yeah. I live in the middle of Hollywood now, and 3rd and La Brea is several miles away.
Also, La Brea is the border between Hollywood and WeHo, so, depending on what side of La Brea you lived on there's a chance you didn't even live in Hollywood.
Wait up. You live in Hollywood and you never get together with us? What kind of Jatraquero are you?
We may have to throw a shinda JUST FOR YOU. (Okay, let's face it, we'll shinda for anything.)
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
kq, he wasn't yet in town when we last shinda'd (or he was out of town, I forget). It's been a while.
Posted by kmbboots (Member # 8576) on :
UF, there is a certain sense in many of the Calvinist branches of Christianity that worldly success is linked to being godly. See: puritan work ethic. Work was held up as a religious duty. This has often merged into the idea that if people were not successful, it was because they were lazy or ungodly. Charity was a good thing, but had to be applied carefully so as not to discourage work.
This was part of the theology of the people who founded this country. It is seeped into our very bones.
edit to add: Also see: prosperity theology.
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
quote:Originally posted by rivka: That part of La Brea isn't in Hollywood or West Hollywood -- it's that amorphous area most commonly called the Miracle Mile (aka Hancock-Park-adjacent, as the realtors would have it).
I'm glad it's not just me that's confused about what part of town that area is in. I asked a friend of mine who lives there and she didn't even know.
KQ, I don't think you guys have had a shinda since I moved. Although I have seen rivka and the meeses a few times.
We'll have to plan one, maybe in that window between Thanksgiving and Christmas.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
Works for me. Start a thread, we'll throw you a party is how it usually works. Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by El JT de Spang:
quote:Originally posted by rivka: That part of La Brea isn't in Hollywood or West Hollywood -- it's that amorphous area most commonly called the Miracle Mile (aka Hancock-Park-adjacent, as the realtors would have it).
I'm glad it's not just me that's confused about what part of town that area is in. I asked a friend of mine who lives there and she didn't even know.
I have had long discussions with the realtor who lives a block from my parents about the fact that the area lacks an agreed-upon name. It makes looking for apartment/house listing lots of fun, let me tell you. Posted by T:man (Member # 11614) on :
quote:Originally posted by Unicorn Feelings: also, I know saying this might get me kicked from Hatrack, but...
IN AND OUT BURGER IS OVER RATED
Ban him, ban him now!
Posted by Unicorn Feelings (Member # 11784) on :
I agree, I Lived in the Miracle Mile.
I was like a block or two away when biggie got shot.
And the tar pits were always close.
I wanted to dive in with my metal detector but my friend said it would be a bad idea. So I did not. I did drink bong water once. That was a bad idea.
I just remember us walking around the tar pits and my friends asking me "Do you feel high?"
"No. I feel sick."
Before you judge me, know that it was a science experiment, and no, drinking bong water doesn't get you high. So If Aliens from another planet kidnap you, force you drink bong water, you punch them in their alien jewels, and rush away, stealing a milk truck, know it's ok to drive. Though you might puke, I never puked and drove. I imagine it would be very difficult.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
quote:Originally posted by rivka:
quote:Originally posted by Unicorn Feelings: Boris. Sounds like you need a girlfriend buddy.
quote:Originally posted by Unicorn Feelings: I don't attack individuals
The irony! It burns, it burns!
I laughed so hard I think I hurt something....
I lived near Detroit, and it is one of the most humid places on the Earth. WAY too much surrounded by water, and it gets well over 100 degrees each summer.
I have never lived in Houston, but I would imagine it is the same, only the humidity lasts longer. MI at least has a winter. Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by Unicorn Feelings: I was like a block or two away when biggie got shot.
The Petersen Museum is over a mile from La Brea and 3rd (the mile from La Break to Fairfax, measured along Wilshire, IS the "Miracle Mile").
Posted by Unicorn Feelings (Member # 11784) on :
quote:Originally posted by kmbboots: UF, there is a certain sense in many of the Calvinist branches of Christianity that worldly success is linked to being godly. See: puritan work ethic. Work was held up as a religious duty. This has often merged into the idea that if people were not successful, it was because they were lazy or ungodly. Charity was a good thing, but had to be applied carefully so as not to discourage work.
This was part of the theology of the people who founded this country. It is seeped into our very bones.
edit to add: Also see: prosperity theology.
Yes. The Protestant work ethic rules.
Being an Investor is NOT working.
But then, I am the crazy fool who doesn't believe Corporations have a right to 'Free Speech." ie Donating money to politicians. And you will never, ever be able to convince me that they deserve "Free Speech".
The Marlboro Man and Ronald Mcdonald deserve to be heard too!
Posted by Unicorn Feelings (Member # 11784) on :
- Rivka -
As a writer, I am allowed to turn 1 mile into a few blocks, and turn "The Miracle Mile" into Hollywood. It's not like I said I lived in Hollywood and I lived in Orange County.
Ah, Los Angeles, If they say I never loved you, you'll know they are a liar.
Posted by Unicorn Feelings (Member # 11784) on :
I AM A LIAR I HAVE ONLY LIVED IN WISCONSIN MY WHOLE LIFE AND CHEESE CURDS HAVE MADE ME BE STUPID MORE CHEESE CURDS FOOOS MORE CHEESE CURDS.
I watched Doc Hollywood once, does that count for caca?
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
quote:But then, I am the crazy fool who doesn't believe Corporations have a right to 'Free Speech." ie Donating money to politicians. And you will never, ever be able to convince me that they deserve "Free Speech".
How about the ACLU? Should it have rights to free speech? It's a corporation (two, actually).
No. IF you are NOT a singular human being, you should NOT be allow to donate to political candidates.
SINGULAR AMERICAN ADULT HUMANS ONLY
(sorry for caps, the button is busted, look it is fixed)
Posted by C3PO the Dragon Slayer (Member # 10416) on :
I think the core of the problem is that money is considered "speech." I see no problem with corporations speaking on behalf of themselves, but that recurring joke in movies where a scumbag says the protagonist is "talking my language" when he hands over a bag of money is a JOKE.
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
UF you are very in touch with your tough emotions. I admire that.
Posted by Mike (Member # 55) on :
quote:Originally posted by Unicorn Feelings: also, I know saying this might get me kicked from Hatrack, but...
IN AND OUT BURGER IS OVER RATED
I agree one hundred percent. Does that mean I get banned too?
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
No, because you're objectively wrong, therefore your statement has no meaning.
Edit: I forgot a letter.
[ October 28, 2008, 04:28 AM: Message edited by: JonHecht ]
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
quote:Originally posted by Unicorn Feelings: No. IF you are NOT a singular human being, you should NOT be allow to donate to political candidates.
SINGULAR AMERICAN ADULT HUMANS ONLY
(sorry for caps, the button is busted, look it is fixed)
I didn't ask about donating to candidates. I asked about free speech.
Anyway, I find your position to be antithetical to free speech, the right of association, and the right to petition the government.
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
Isn't campaign donation part of free speech?
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
Yes.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
According to the Internet, Houston is more humid than Detroit, by about 18% (i.e. averages around 75% humidity when Detroit averages about 65%). Even weirder: they say Madison is more humid than Detroit, thus proving that you can't trust the Internet. Of course, it may just be that no one in Detroit, including public offices, can actually afford to run their air conditioning.
According to the same site, violent crime is three times higher in Detroit than Houston, so I suppose it depends how much being shot bothers you when compared to being sweaty. Posted by Unicorn Feelings (Member # 11784) on :
Why should a Corporation, let us say, Citigroup, one of the largest corporations in the world is LESS than 50% owned by Americans, so why should a NON American entity be allowed to pay and petition our politicians?
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
Why shouldn't a group of people be allowed to contribute to political campaigns or petition our government?
If a group should be allowed to do these things, they why should they lose that ability because they choose to organize themselves in a convenient and efficient way?
Your non-American argument is a red herring here, unless your modifying your original objection to only apply to non-American corporations. Please clarify one way or the other.
Posted by King of Men (Member # 6684) on :
I'm not American. Please sir, may I express an opinion on your Presidential candidates?
Posted by kmbboots (Member # 8576) on :
Are corporations held to the same donation limits as individuals?
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
quote:Originally posted by Unicorn Feelings: Why should a Corporation, let us say, Citigroup, one of the largest corporations in the world is LESS than 50% owned by Americans, so why should a NON American entity be allowed to pay and petition our politicians?
Because they do HUGE business in the US, and the policies these candidates espouse directly affect their business. Because they employ Americans?
Why isn't being an investor working? Because they aren't digging ditches, or pretending to be able to write?
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
quote:Are corporations held to the same donation limits as individuals?
Corporations can't contribute money from their treasuries to political committees for the purpose of influencing a federal election.
Posted by Unicorn Feelings (Member # 11784) on :
quote:Originally posted by Kwea: [QUOTE] Why isn't being an investor working? Because they aren't digging ditches, or pretending to be able to write?
Pretending to be able to write? Nice pot shot.
It's an odd position to believe that a man should be able to have 50 bllion dollars worth of assets and believe Christ is King.
The Protestant Investing Ethic!
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
What if those 50 billion dollars in assets are plugged into infrastructure in factories, hospitals, workshops, and businesses that provide jobs and services?
Do you think that Christ requires that he force all those people out of work in order for him to find personal perfection?
Posted by The White Whale (Member # 6594) on :
UF, not quite a pot shot. Read the sentence that Kwea quoted out loud and tell me in isn't worded poorly.
Posted by Unicorn Feelings (Member # 11784) on :
*speechless*
Posted by Sean Monahan (Member # 9334) on :
quote:Originally posted by Unicorn Feelings: It's an odd position to believe that a man should be able to have 50 bllion dollars worth of assets and believe Christ is King.
Jesus told the rich man to sell his possessions and give to the poor. The rich man, saddened, walked away with his wealth. And Jesus watched him walk away, and let him keep it.
It's not an odd position to believe.
Posted by Unicorn Feelings (Member # 11784) on :
/hug
Posted by steven (Member # 8099) on :
"Why isn't being an investor working? Because they aren't digging ditches, or pretending to be able to write?"
Looting the pension funds of people who have worked for a company for 25 or 30 years or more is not honorable. That behavior is what's being rewarded by investors. They encourage the current trend of companies hiring narcissistic sociopaths to be CEOs, who are willing to loot the pension funds of thousands of companies and make all the stockholders rich. Woo hoo. Frickin' good stuff. Seriously, man, after seeing so many 25- or 30-year blue collar workers in the NC textile and furniture industries laid off, with no safety net or pension or anything, I've got a little bit of a problem with this. My girlfriend's parents were both laid off from Unifi after 25 years with the company. Pension? Wasted on some CEOs bonus, and on a slightly larger dividend on the stock. Not just an smaller pension, none at all. Luckily they found other jobs, but they're in their late 50s. There's not going to be a pension for them from those new jobs. They'll have to work until their health fails, then eke out an existence somehow on social security and whatever their only child, my girlfriend, can give them. What a country.
Seriously, the excessive CEO compensation thing is really nothing but rewarding narcissistic sociopaths to be, well, narcissistic and sociopathic. I mean, I understand paying for performance, but that has gotten out of hand.
Posted by steven (Member # 8099) on :
Kwea, I'm not trying to bust your balls. That stuff is just hitting a little close to home for me.
Posted by Unicorn Feelings (Member # 11784) on :
And having Corporations DONATE money to politicians is lame, I would argue that money would be best spent on their employees.
...but hey, I understand the corporations deserve free speech too, and this might work in theory, kind of like the 'leave the markets alone and they will work perfectly". Sounds great! But the results are horrible, allowing corporations to pour money into politics is a disaster and it makes the constitution a joke.
Thomas Jefferson said that if we ever allowed corporations to come to America, they'd enslave us all.
Enron was the #1 campaign contributor to George W. Bush from his gubner campaign all the way to they collapsed. They had 88 meetings with W and the White House staff, in the three months up until their collapse.
Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and all the banks that failed donated billions to BOTH parties. Good for America? Good for people? or just good in theory?
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
quote: Thomas Jefferson said that if we ever allowed corporations to come to America, they'd enslave us all.
He did?
Posted by Unicorn Feelings (Member # 11784) on :
"The current economic situation is ALL the democrats fault!" - OSC
ha ha ha
Posted by Unicorn Feelings (Member # 11784) on :
"The current economic situation is ALL the democrats fault!" - OSC
ha ha ha
Posted by EmpSquared (Member # 10890) on :
"I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country."
That's the closest thing to what Thor is talking about, I think. Which isn't enslaving us. At all.
But maybe that's not what Thor was referencing?
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
quote:Originally posted by Scott R:
quote: Thomas Jefferson said that if we ever allowed corporations to come to America, they'd enslave us all.
He did?
I don't know if he said that exactly, but I wouldn't be surprised if he said something like it. Jefferson thought we should all be farmers, and that if our agrarian system was ever given up for an industrial one, we'd all be day wage slaves to aristocratic big wigs and companies.
To his credit, he was pretty much right until the 1900's came along.
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