Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit, my best wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low-stress, non-addictive, gender-neutral celebration of the winter solstice holiday, practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of the religious persuasion of your choice, or secular practices of your choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasion and/or traditions of others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular traditions at all. I also wish you a fiscally successful, personally fullfilling and medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2009, but not without due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose contributions to society have helped make America great. Not to imply that America is necessarily greater than any other country nor the only America in the Western Hemisphere. Also, this wish is made without regard to the race, creed, color, age, physical ability, religious faith or sexual orientation of the wishee.
To My REPUBLICAN Friends:
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
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*giggle*
Posted by Corwin (Member # 5705) on :
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
Am I allowed to be annoyed by this? I have several competing reasons.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
quote:Originally posted by Orincoro: Am I allowed to be annoyed by this? I have several competing reasons.
No. You're supposed to have a sense of humor. Otherwise, you prove the point.
Posted by Corwin (Member # 5705) on :
quote:Originally posted by Orincoro: Am I allowed to be annoyed by this? I have several competing reasons.
Oh, yes, you are. We are of course allowed to laugh at that. Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
quote:Originally posted by Orincoro: Am I allowed to be annoyed by this? I have several competing reasons.
You're allowed to find it unfunny, but I don't think it's meant to be taken seriously. Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
I didn't tell you why I was annoyed. Still am though- a joke at someone's expense about how that person has no sense of humor (which means the "joke" is tacitly aggressive) doesn't really give me my yucks. I don't care who the joke's about- I'd feel the same way if the parties were reversed, because the same cheap laugh could be had either way. That's why it isn't funny. To me.
Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
Yeah, we're just a bunch of hateful, insensitive brutes. Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
Bah Humbug!
quote: we're just a bunch of hateful, insensitive brutes.
At least you have a modicum of insight. Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
Would it help if I said I personally was emailed this very same joke by a friend who's quite happily a Democrat? Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
It's funny, I guess, but the reality is that there are a lot of people who don't celebrate Christmas and if you know a lot of them this is basically what you intend to convey if you send group emails. Generally I think the accepted greeting is "Happy Holidays" although "Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year" also works depending on your audience.
Yes, our world is more complicated than it used to be.
Posted by Shan (Member # 4550) on :
quote:Originally posted by Orincoro: Am I allowed to be annoyed by this? I have several competing reasons.
Absolutely. And of course it could apply to anyone under the sun, on either side of any fence you choose. This was sent to me by a colleague -- he and I are firmly on opposite sides of the fence in many philospohical and political ways -- but name ourselves members of the same political party. Go figure.
Before I passed it on to my beloved friends and family, I added the following wish:
Dear Friends and Family -- This made me chuckle -- a lot -- even before the first cup of coffee!
My Christmas Wish For Us All -- That Together We:
*Celebrate the joys and beauties of our country and world. *Heal its ills. *Honor and care for our elders. *Build a healthy and happy future for our children.
Blessings and peace to each of you and your families in the year ahead!
So, I add the same wish for the folks here at Hatrack. After all -- it's you folks here, in all the years I've followed the discourse and debate, that give me hope for a meeting of minds -- or the willingness to keep trying to meet -- of people on opposing sides of all sorts of issues!
Blessings to you this holiday season -- no matter which one you celebrate, or don't celebrate . . . well, you get the message. Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
I knew you'd say that. I knew somebody would pull that "I got this from a Democrat so it's ok" move.
It's usually Dag though, so this is certainly a shock.
Posted by Corwin (Member # 5705) on :
quote:Originally posted by Puffy Treat: Yeah, we're just a bunch of hateful, insensitive brutes.
I am offended. I am a very sensitive hateful brute! Posted by Corwin (Member # 5705) on :
quote:Originally posted by Orincoro: I knew you'd say that. I knew somebody would pull that "I got this from a Democrat so it's ok" move.
It's usually Dag though, so this is certainly a shock.
Are you deliberately being contrary here? I'm probably a little bit to the left of American Democrats (yeah, one of those dreaded almost socialists) and I'm an atheist. And I loved it. Not sure on whose behalf you are taking offense at this.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
That particular comment was facetious. I've given up caring about it either way.
That being said, I'm also an athiest, and I didn't love it. It's kind of pretty much what I find to be lacking in the Republican mentality, and given the present moment in history, it feels a little malicious and mean-spirited. Now, if it was written by a democrat, or a non-partisan author, then it's an interesting criticism of both parties.
Posted by Shan (Member # 4550) on :
Would you prefer I delete the thread, Orincoro? My intent was not to offend anyone. I found it funny -- even if the funny pokes at me personally in many ways. But I figure, livijng in policy wonk land every day, that I'd better laugh at myself.
But if it's that big an issue to you, I'll happily delete the entire thread.
Say the word.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
No, don't delete it. Commonn :sigh:
Grouphug. Posted by Shan (Member # 4550) on :
Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
quote:Originally posted by Orincoro: I knew you'd say that. I knew somebody would pull that "I got this from a Democrat so it's ok" move.
Even though I actually -did- get it from a Democrat friend, I'm "pulling something"? Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
You're pulling a fast one slick willy. I know your moves. I know who stole my Christmas yams. And you won't get away with it this year. :raises pitch fork: you hear me? You Won't Get AWAY WITH IT THIS YEAR!
Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
Okay, now I'm getting offended. Those jokes are terrible. Posted by Mucus (Member # 9735) on :
(Doesn't this really poke fun at both groups anyways? I don't really see why either group would take disproportionate offence. *shrug* )
Posted by Corwin (Member # 5705) on :
That's what I thought too.
Posted by Shan (Member # 4550) on :
*wraps Christmas yams and tucks them into Orincoro's stocking with great stealth*
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
Who gets yams in their stocking? That's just a recipe for disaster.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mucus: (Doesn't this really poke fun at both groups anyways? I don't really see why either group would take disproportionate offence. *shrug* )
You're right. It's all the Jewish Republicans (and there are lots and lots in my circles) who should be annoyed.
quote:Originally posted by ketchupqueen: Who gets yams in their stocking? That's just a recipe for disaster.
Not if they're still raw and whole.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
Well, you have to realize that in my house, unwanted stocking contents are likely to be used as missiles at some point...
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Some time before that, the connection between yams and dinner should be clearly established.
Posted by Starsnuffer (Member # 8116) on :
You could change the concept of stockings into a part of the christmas dinner, filling them with cooked vegetables instead of strange trinkets. mmm sock veggies
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mucus: (Doesn't this really poke fun at both groups anyways? I don't really see why either group would take disproportionate offence. *shrug* )
Not really. It is far more at the Democrat's expense.
I found it both annoying AND funny. Figures. Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
Well, when you take rivka's observation into account, you could interpret the joke this way:
Democrats: So careful to avoid giving offense that they offer lukewarm greetings buried in legalese.
Republicans: So careful to avoid being politically correct that they offer improper greetings to some people.
Posted by Shanna (Member # 7900) on :
I'm with Kwea on this. Funny and annoying.
I'd love to see a spin on this. I know we have some clever people here who could manage it.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
quote:Originally posted by Starsnuffer: You could change the concept of stockings into a part of the christmas dinner, filling them with cooked vegetables instead of strange trinkets. mmm sock veggies
"And then the kiddies rushed to the fire, to open their thermal insulated, Reynolds steamer bag wrapped, sterile stockings, with looks of glee upon their faces as they imagined all the wonderful vitamins and minerals they'd soon consume."
I smell a delicious holiday tradition in the making!
Even better, I smell a marketing opportunity at hand.
"Act now! Just throw your raw vegetables in the stocking, and when the kids wake up in the morning, throw the whole sock in the steamer! 5 minutes later you'll have hot, delicious, nutritious winter favorite vegetables for the kids to eat. Then throw the sock away! No muss no fuss!"
Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
To my Republican friends: Happy Holidays, and a Happy New Year!
To my Democratic friends: Happy Holidays, Happy New Year, and Happy Inauguration Day!
To my Christian friends, and any friends who are not Christian but celebrate Christmas as a secular holiday: Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
To my Jewish friends who spell it with an H: Happy Hanukkah!
To my Jewish friends who spell it with a Ch: Happy Chanukah!
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
To all my friends.
Happy Baconmas Posted by Reshpeckobiggle (Member # 8947) on :
I only say Merry Christmas to litigious atheists.
quote:Originally posted by Farmgirl:
quote:Originally posted by Orincoro: Am I allowed to be annoyed by this? I have several competing reasons.
No. You're supposed to have a sense of humor. Otherwise, you prove the point.
Best post in the thread.
I once started a thread called the Alcon Filter in which I suggested everyone first submit any comment they think might be humorous, so that Alcon could go over it and determine if it was in fact funny. I got in trouble for it, presumably because Alcon didn't think it was very funny.
One of the funniest things in the world to me is when someone (invariably a liberal or a pious snob) with no sense of humor tries to explain why something everyone else is laughing at is simply not funny. I think if Orincoro tried to tell me why that isn't funny, I'd probably die of laughter.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Let's try it and find out.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
I wouldn't want to commit murder. Much less murder by unintentional comedy.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
quote:Originally posted by Samprimary: To all my friends.
That isn't funny, and let me tell you why...
Posted by Darth_Mauve (Member # 4709) on :
To My Democratic Friends:
On the first day of Obama's Pres, the Govt. gave to me.....
Joy to the world, Obama's Pres....
We wish you a happy Innaugrial. We wish you a happy Innaugrial. We wish you a happy Innaugrial, and a merry administration.
To My Republican Friends:
On the last days of Bush's Pres, the Govt gave to me....
Oh, you better not pout, You better not cry You better not shout I'm telling you why.. President Bush is leaving--real soon.
They're making a list Checking it twice Gonna find out who's naughty or nice Cheney left the spy's to Obama.
They see you when your sleeping. They know when your awake. They know if you've voted correctly So be Dem for goodness sake.
Posted by MightyCow (Member # 9253) on :
I'm tired of the Democrats getting all the credit for stealing Christmas when it's the unsung atheist heroes who are working so hard to secularize it and turn it into a public holiday about gifts and long lines. Credit where credit is due!
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
Anarchists of the world! Do Nothing!
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
quote:Originally posted by Reshpeckobiggle: That isn't funny, and let me tell you why...
HAHAHAHAHA. Resh you are so funny and smart and cool. Everyone respects you and finds you awesome.
Tell me why that's not funny. Because we just LOVE a sense of humor around here.
Posted by MightyCow (Member # 9253) on :
quote:Originally posted by Reshpeckobiggle: One of the funniest things in the world to me is when someone (invariably a liberal or a pious snob) with no sense of humor...
I'll take Irony for 2000 Alex.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
quote:I once started a thread called the Alcon Filter in which I suggested everyone first submit any comment they think might be humorous, so that Alcon could go over it and determine if it was in fact funny. I got in trouble for it, presumably because Alcon didn't think it was very funny.
you got in trouble for it because it was a stupid idea concocted by a guy with way too much sand in his nether-regions
Posted by Reshpeckobiggle (Member # 8947) on :
quote:Originally posted by MightyCow: I'll take Irony for 2000 Alex.
Answer: The Daily Double. Here is the Clue. This poster posted this:
quote: you got in trouble for it because it was a stupid idea concocted by a guy with way too much sand in his nether-regions
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
I don't find it outrageously offensive, just a bit too tediously predictable to trip my humor buttons. However, I wouldn't say it is a joke that makes equal butts of both parties; rather, it seems to me that the Republican party is presented as offering the average, typical, sensible, undramatic salutation. The normal Joes, as it were.
That's why the Republican greeting is offered second -- it's the contrast of the prosaic that provides the punchline to the prior overwrought, absurdly rambling message.
Nonetheless, it's just a joke. I prefer the cool bite of George Will's humor, but I'm more than willing to chalk that up to personal taste. Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
I think it annoys me most because it's one of those internet memes of the sort that used to get falsely attributed to George Carlin. Someone would write something like this in "Carlinesque" style and send it out, and it would eventually pick up Carlin's name somewhere along the way, even though it was never anything he'd be likely to say or put his name to.
Posted by Mucus (Member # 9735) on :
For the record, I didn't really say that it made equal butts of both parties, just that it poked fun at both. (As someone already mentioned, the oversensitive politically correct pansy Democrat contrasted with the inter-culturally clueless provincial Republican)
As a similar example, Douglas Adams pokes fun at both atheists and theists, but he definitely takes many more shots at the latter. Since he doesn't explicitly go after the latter exclusively and he doesn't mean malice, I don't think that latter should be offended.
A reversed dynamic is at work here, clearly the joke is unbalanced, but I don't think people should take offense (then can, if they wish, of course).
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
This bears no relation to Adams whatsoever. It's not a reversed dynamic. Adams is funny and, more importantly, thoughtful. This message is just pointlessly mocking. One thing DA never did was open mockery. He made fun of lots of people, but he did it creatively with something to say.
Posted by Mucus (Member # 9735) on :
I never made any observations about funniness or thoughtfulness, merely which targets are present and whether I detect malice. You're rebutting something I didn't actually say.
Posted by Reshpeckobiggle (Member # 8947) on :
Moreover, he is wrong. Douglas Adams did openly mock people and ideas and the email in the original post does have a point. Orincoro just wont accept that something can be funny without his approval.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
At least you can be a douchebag without my approval.
There's no arguing with your claim that DA did openly mock people. This will depend on your very narrow and probably not at all thought out idea of what openly mocking means. When DA made reference to and made light of people and entities in his fiction through his characters, he was not openly mocking them. It's just like when OSC makes political statements with the mouths of his characters- that is not open mockery. In real life, DA was calm and reasonable, and always tried to avoid estranging his philosophical opponents.
In fact, why am I saying any of this? You don't give a crap. So source directly a quotation from Douglas Adams that is OPENLY MOCKING something or someone. Go ahead. I want to see it. Oh... you can't.
But once again Resh, you are SO FUNNY. And everyone respects you SO MUCH. You are the BEST POSTER EVERY. You are FAR from a DOUCHEBAG. You are VALUED by ALL.
Tell me why that's not funny. Douche. I thought you liked open mockery?
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
quote:the email in the original post does have a point
If you're asserting that the original email has a point, I don't know how you can simultaneously claim not to understand why people might be offended by it.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
He doesn't understand, very simply, how people could be offended by it. I said early on that the email did have a point, and I didn't like it, thus, did not find it appealing. Resh just wants to have his cake and eat it too, saying that it is harmless fun, but that there is still an underlying truth that all should recognize... after all, who can say this isn't funny-therefore-a-little-bit-true?
Well, I can.
Posted by The Pixiest (Member # 1863) on :
Merry Christmas.
I was trying to explain to my in laws that Christmas is more than a christian holiday, it's an American one.
The protested of course, however when my husband and Sister in Law were little, they had a Christmas tree and presents for them in addition to Chanukah.
When I mentioned this disagreement with a Hindu woman from work, she pointed out that she had a Christmas tree with presents for her son.
Christmas is about Togetherness and presents for the children. It CAN be and often IS celebrated without any religious significance what so ever.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Pixiest: The protested of course, however when my husband and Sister in Law were little, they had a Christmas tree and presents for them in addition to Chanukah.
You say this like it's a good thing.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
Strikes me as none of your business to say whether it was a good thing or not.
Posted by Reshpeckobiggle (Member # 8947) on :
quote:Originally posted by TomDavidson:
quote:the email in the original post does have a point
If you're asserting that the original email has a point, I don't know how you can simultaneously claim not to understand why people might be offended by it.
Did I claim that?
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
...
So you *do* understand? :shrug:
Posted by Reshpeckobiggle (Member # 8947) on :
I don't talk to people who call me douchebag over the internet. I only talk to adults.
That statement was directed at no one in particular.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
I thought it was funny, how can it be funny and offensive? Oh, my head asplode!
At least I've found a way to get you to pretend to ignore me. Douche. Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by Orincoro: Strikes me as none of your business to say whether it was a good thing or not.
Nor the one who said it, if you're right.
And in the general case, if not the specific, it certainly is my business. And that of every other Jew who thinks assimilation is a bad thing.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
There was something you said to me recently about saying hurtful things about the decisions other people have made with their lives.
Besides, you speak English, you don't live in Israel, even if you think about it, so I'm sure according to someone else's definition, you're way too assimilated already. Do you ever say Merry Christmas, or have you ever given a gift to a Christian on Christmas? I'm not a christian either, and I've done that. I'm not in fear of my identity over that.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by Orincoro: Besides, you speak English, you don't live in Israel, even if you think about it, so I'm sure according to someone else's definition, you're way too assimilated already.
Yup.
quote:Originally posted by Orincoro: Do you ever say Merry Christmas, or have you ever given a gift to a Christian on Christmas?
Nope.
quote:Originally posted by Orincoro: I'm not in fear of my identity over that.
Goody for you.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
Don't be mean. That's so Christian.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Huh?
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
What?
Posted by Shan (Member # 4550) on :
Ladies and Gentlemen!!!! Enough, already. Or I'll take the thread away.
*wanders off trying to recall the beginning to Romeo and Juliet where Shakespeare opines on civil blood making unclean civil hands . . . *
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
quote:It's usually Dag though, so this is certainly a shock.
When has it been me?
[ December 29, 2008, 09:28 PM: Message edited by: Dagonee ]
Posted by scifibum (Member # 7625) on :
Listening to the radio this morning, I heard it said that a lot of humor falls flat because it's trying too hard not to be offensive.
It rung true, but I'd have to be a better comedian to diagnose specific instances. I know it's not funny to have Garfield continue to be lazy and enjoy lasagna, but what kind of edge would make it funny? I'm not sure. I might like it if he got away with serially killing the dogs Jon brought home, but obviously that would upset and offend other people, and I'm not sure if it's really funny or if I'm just a little bit sick in the head.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
quote:I know it's not funny to have Garfield continue to be lazy and enjoy lasagna, but what kind of edge would make it funny?
I was thinking about that but it's only funny because of the existence of the original garfield strip. I was trying to think of something that would make Garfield funny all by itself. Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
quote:Originally posted by Orincoro: I knew you'd say that. I knew somebody would pull that "I got this from a Democrat so it's ok" move.
It's usually Dag though, so this is certainly a shock.
I'd appreciate some kind of response to my question about this. If you're going to drag my past actions into a conversation I'm not participating in, it'd be nice if you would respond to questions about it.
Based on any interpretation I can come up with for your post, your statement about what I "usually" do is dead wrong. But I'd like to hear your justification for it.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
Sorry Dag, I've not checked this thread in a bit. First, it was a lighthearted comment and dig at you for saying something recently about having many Apple using friends who were offended by the Apple ad we were discussing, rather than PC friends, because the add made Apple people look douchey. There have been several instances, which I don't know how to locate, when you have said "I have many _____ friends who..." It's something I've associated with you because I've seen you say it at least three times. You said it in the apple thread, you said it once in a thread about law school, I think, and I believe you've said it in several of the political threads.
It was just a jab though, and the comment in my post above wasn't being serious. It was only after some people decided I HAD to like the email in order to have a sense of humor, that I got testy.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
I'm guessing this is the specific post you had in mind. But it doesn't say what you said it said.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
I accept that it was meant lightly, but it's really not a light jest. Perhaps if i had been participating in the conversation, it could have been, but in this context it doesn't come across that way - and that's without my having read anything that came after.
First, the apple thing is very different. The equivalent in this case would be if I pointed out that I know Republicans who were offended by this joke. That's an entirely different conversation than the one being had here, and the one similarity was that someone mentioned they knew someone.
The second difference was that I mentioned the people I know in the apple thread as a counterexample to the proposition that preference in operating system was a distinguishing factor between people who were offended by the ad and people who weren't. That's a very different use than "I know someone who..." was put to here.
Third, I'd love to see any example where I have said something like "Person X isn't offended by Y, therefore person Z (who shares attribute A with X) shouldn't be either." At most, I would say that knowing X would support someone saying that they didn't know Y would offend other people with attribute A.
I know lots of people who think lots of things. Sometimes it's relevant, and I bring it up. I have never, to my knowledge, brought it up to make the point you identified in your post. Therefore, I'd be interested in knowing where you got the impression that I think that so that I can clarify or, if necessary, correct the statement I made giving rise to that impression.
***
As for the joke itself, I can see where someone would get offended by the joke. I have also seen first-hand situations that would lead me to want to greet someone in that fashion. I have, in fact, made very similar jokes, but in reference to specific people.
Extending it to all democrats is, of course, absurd were someone to mean that all/most/many democrats were like that. I think it's clear the joke is not meant to do that, although I'm sure there are some people who would.
As humor, it's likely to strike some in the targeted group as funny and piss off others. It doesn't really do either for me. I think it's too broad to be really stinging satire. I don't think either reaction is wrong.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
Dag, maybe I'm wrong. What do you want me to say? I'm sorry for mentioning your name.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
I said what I wanted: for you to point out the things that led to this conclusion so I can clarify or correct.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
No. Why should I go routing around looking for things so that you can deny that they mean what I think they mean or apply to the situation in a way that you find important? I don't have to justify anything to you.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
Nor do you have to say anything about me. But you chose to do so.
I don't particularly care if you believe inaccurate things about me. I do care that you chose to publish those inaccurate things.
When I say something about someone that turns out to be inaccurate, I correct the inaccuracy. I was assuming that you had the same respect for the truth that I did.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
If you weren't such a bully when you disagreed with me, maybe I would feel slightly worse about saying disparaging things. An off-handed comment that is mostly a joke is not libelous, so stop pushing me around, and just leave me alone with lack of accuracy and my disrespect for the truth.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
I didn't say it was libelous. It was wrong. I've addressed the one example you've given. You refuse to give other examples. You refuse to retract your erroneous statement about me. And you still can't refrain from saying untrue things about me - I haven't ever bullied you. Nor have I "pushed you around." Here's what I have done:
1. I asked for specific examples.
2. When I noticed you had been posting a while, I brought the matter to your attention again, stated my opinion about what you had said, and asked again for specifics.
3. I explained why the example you did give was not actually an example of what you originally accused me of and stated why I would like to see the other examples. (I also gave my opinion on the OP, but that's not directly relevant.)
4. In response to your asking me what I wanted, I restated that I would like to see the other examples.
5. In response to your refusal and your statement that you don't have to "justify" anything to me, I stated the nature of my grievance and why I would consider an explanation to be important had I made misstatements about another.
None of that is bullying. None of that is "pushing you around." Nor does it justify your spreading untruths about me.
I can't believe the guy who attacked me when I wasn't even around is now playing the victim. It's especially galling since your attack was untrue.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
1. I don't care.
2. Leave me alone.
3. Lists are fun.
4. Lists are *really* fun.
5. This is the end of the list.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
quote:Leave me alone.
Alas. Had you only extended this courtesy to me, this conversation wouldn't have happened. But you didn't. So it did.
As it is, I am not going to "leave you alone" about this merely because you command me to. I have no obligation to leave your excuses and snark unanswered.
Posted by paigereader (Member # 2274) on :
ketchupqueen: your comment about the yams was the funniest thing I have seen or heard all day. (even though I have never heard your voice, I could almost hear you say it!) It made me laugh that was what you picked up on.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
Don't be laughin' 'bout my yams!
Posted by Reshpeckobiggle (Member # 8947) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dagonee:
I can't believe the guy who attacked me when I wasn't even around is now playing the victim. It's especially galling since your attack was untrue.
This is a ubiquitous liberal tactic. They use it to support everything from abortion to Palestine's right to bomb innocent Israelis without having to fear Israeli retribution. I'm so sick of disingenuous liars claiming the victim status.
Sorry, Dag, I know you hate it when I take your side.
Posted by MightyCow (Member # 9253) on :
quote:Originally posted by Reshpeckobiggle: This is a ubiquitous liberal tactic. They use it to support everything from abortion to Palestine's right to bomb innocent Israelis without having to fear Israeli retribution. I'm so sick of disingenuous liars claiming the victim status.
Does your keyboard automatically parse all your posts with extra irony?
Posted by Reshpeckobiggle (Member # 8947) on :
Does yours remove all original thoughts?
Posted by scifibum (Member # 7625) on :
Mine makes lighthearted posts that take tangents away from snark jousting.
All by itself.
Posted by Reshpeckobiggle (Member # 8947) on :
Where can I get one of those? My Irony Board is starting to overheat... oops, Pun Lock key was on.
Posted by Sterling (Member # 8096) on :
Good gravy. Of all the things to start a flame war...
Posted by scifibum (Member # 7625) on :
...it's the most unctuous and warm.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
Flame gravy tastes of bitter irony.
Posted by Shan (Member # 4550) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sterling: Good gravy. Of all the things to start a flame war...
*sigh*
And here I thought I was just posting a lighthearted joke, that frankly I thought poked fun at folks across the political spectrum, and really, the whole dang season itself.
I flunked funny. Sort of like the Roman soldier who flunked flank.
(If you get the reference, I'll send you cookies. First winner only.) Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
So really, this is all *your* fault. Well, what a relief. Thanks for taking the blame.
Marcus Vindictus and captain mucus, History of the World Part 1. I like Peanut Butter Cookies. But the postage to CZ might be pricey...
Posted by Shan (Member # 4550) on :
That movie is a hoot. Talk about raunchy humor. I wish MB would have done Part 2 . . .
Peanut butter, it is. E-mail your address. I'll make 'em and send 'em this weekend.
I am a passable cook. There are few Jatraqueros who have sampled my cooking, and they are still alive. *grin*
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
Nono, Shan I can't ask you to send me anything. Thanks for the offer, but honestly the postage to the Czech republic would be expensive for cookies.
Posted by Shan (Member # 4550) on :
Well, here -- have a virtual PB cookie.
Cheerio!
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
She could send 'em by boat. That probably wouldn't be prohibitively expensive.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
They still send things by boat?
Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
I got curious and checked. 2 lbs of cookies would cost $16.90 to send standard mail.
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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
quote:They still send things by boat?
Indeed. How do you think people with relatives abroad send presents without paying the earth?
Posted by Shan (Member # 4550) on :
Carrier pigeon, perhaps? *grin*
Posted by King of Men (Member # 6684) on :
That is more likely than you think, actually. The last time I sent my parents a present, the chocolates had been nibbled when they arrived. Presumably by the carrier pigeons, fortifying themselves for the Atlantic.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
Perhaps it was an *African* swallow?
Posted by Shan (Member # 4550) on :
Goodness -- I hope pigeons don't react to chocolate the way dogs do . . .
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
The cookies would be peanut butter. Logically then, you should employ a flying elephant.
Posted by Shan (Member # 4550) on :
Yes, the cookies would be peanut butter. However, KoM was talking about nibbled-on chocolates. I was worrying about his carrier pigeons, not ours.
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