If I wanted to invent a new name for a fictional angel, and I wanted it to sound like a legitimate Biblical angel name, and even MEAN something in Hebrew ... where would I start?
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
A book of Hebrew baby names?
Posted by Puppy (Member # 6721) on :
It would need to end in "-el" and be constructed in a similar way to "Gabriel", "Michael", and "Raphael" ... but mean something else. Preferably "Pissed off God," since the character is a fallen angel Posted by scifibum (Member # 7625) on :
Cainel?
(If anyone caught my pre-edit post, I got the wrong brother. *smacks head*)
Posted by Puppy (Member # 6721) on :
If I see another fictional character named "Cain", I'm going to hurt someone Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
I think Salinger could take you.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
lol
Posted by advice for robots (Member # 2544) on :
Jor-el?
There was a whole planet full of people with names like that. Unfortunately, it exploded.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
Pashael? Intentionally sinned (against) God.
Naetzel? Provoked God.
Ragziel? Pissed off God.
Kalbiel? Dog of God.
Shektziel? Disgusting thing of God.
Zebliel? Dung of God.
Chashchiel? Darkness of God (the opposite of Uriel - Light of God).
Grushiel? Cast out (divorced) of God.
Galiel? Exiled of God.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
If there's a specific meaning, any of us here who speak Hebrew could turn it into an angel-type name for you.
Posted by King of Men (Member # 6684) on :
Shlemiel?
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
How about "Thinks he's a much bigger irritant to God than he actually is"?
[Edit - I'm not suggesting that for Geoff's character. I'm just curious what that 'el-ified name would be.]
Posted by Armoth (Member # 4752) on :
I always loved the angel names, but that's possibly because I am biased. My name is Immanuel - "God is with us"...
Yeah. What Lisa said. What do you want it to mean, and we can help you figure out a cool name...
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
I seriously would like to know that that concept, translated into an angel name, would be.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
Hafrael. Annoyance of God.
Letziel. Clown of God.
Tipshiel. Idiot of God.
Shotiel. Lunatic of God.
Stumiel. Dense one of God.
Reikiel. Empty one of God.
Kashliel. Failure of God.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Noemon: I seriously would like to know that that concept, translated into an angel name, would be.
Hafrael was the best I could do. The thing is, "Thinks he's more of an annoyance to God than he really is" doesn't have a single word in English, let alone in Hebrew.
Posted by King of Men (Member # 6684) on :
Can you form a compound word with something like 'boaster' or 'braggart'? So Braggart-Hafra-el, which we could idiomatically retranslate as "Brags About Annoying God".
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lisa:
quote:Originally posted by Noemon: I seriously would like to know that that concept, translated into an angel name, would be.
Hafrael was the best I could do. The thing is, "Thinks he's more of an annoyance to God than he really is" doesn't have a single word in English, let alone in Hebrew.
Well, you never know what sort of thing a language will have a word for; it was worth a shot.
KoM's suggestion would get close, if it's something that would work in Hebrew.
Ooh, what would "Ignorant of God" be?
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
I like Galiel and Chashchiel.
Posted by Armoth (Member # 4752) on :
Atzbenel might also work for one who Annoys God. Also Regezel might work.
KoM: Hafrael HaRavRev if you can use the last name...
Ravrivel...?
[ January 07, 2009, 05:51 PM: Message edited by: Armoth ]
Posted by Armoth (Member # 4752) on :
Ignorant of God:
Burel? - I'm not sure if that means God is ignorant...
Elemel? God is Hidden...
Edit: On second thought. Lisa, a lot of the name with the "i" in the middle, like Galiel - would that not mean that God is my exiled one? Like Tzurishday? God is my form?
Posted by Architraz Warden (Member # 4285) on :
So where would Tyrael fit into all of this?
(No clue, just the first name that came to mind outside of the most appropriately referenced).
Posted by Ron Lambert (Member # 2872) on :
Thank you for all those Hebrew names for angels, Lisa. I wonder--would Kalbiel be for someone who is dyslexic?
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Armoth: Edit: On second thought. Lisa, a lot of the name with the "i" in the middle, like Galiel - would that not mean that God is my exiled one? Like Tzurishday? God is my form?
Not necessarily. Gavriel? The "i" needn't be first person possessive.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ron Lambert: Thank you for all those Hebrew names for angels, Lisa. I wonder--would Kalbiel be for someone who is dyslexic?
Heh.
Posted by Armoth (Member # 4752) on :
I don't get it...Kalbiel? Dog of God? Ohhhh...NOW i get it...
Posted by Puppy (Member # 6721) on :
Wow! It'll take me a minute to go through all the suggestions, but this is awesome, Lisa! I wasn't sure how straightforward it was to invent new names using Hebrew, so I wasn't expecting this much. Thanks!
Posted by Puppy (Member # 6721) on :
My favorite so far is "Naetzel" because it seems like the character could go by "Nate" Though "Galiel" flows better off the tongue, and isn't reminiscent of "Pretzel" ... hmm ...
Some of the others (particularly "Kalbiel; Dog of God") sound like they would make great side characters in the same fiction. The villain Kalbiel. I like it.
What about "Conflicted about God"? or "Confused about God"?
"Argues with God"? "Distrusts God"?
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
What about
Pissed off at God
or
Angry with God (if there is any difference)
Enemy of God
Fights with God
Critic of God
Detractor from God
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
How about Music of God.
Posted by Armoth (Member # 4752) on :
Music of God: Shirel (Shir = Song, There is no real word for Music in Hebrew, Modern Hebrew has "Muzika")
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
Music of God could also be Nagniel (from nigun, or tune). Oyviel could be enemy of God, but Nochriel would probably be better. Oyev means enemy in Hebrew, while Nochri is a biblical term that means both gentile and enemy.
Mardiel could be rebel against God (and in fact, Nimrod, also from the root m-r-d, is understood traditionally to have the same meaning).
Fights with God? I think that would be Yisrael, no? "For thou has struggled with God and men and prevailed".
Confused or conflicted... well, Balbiel could be mixed up about God, or confused one of God. Conflicted probably doesn't have a word. Same with distrusts. There's a word for trust, but not really for the compound distrusts. Maybe Chashdiel, which could be Suspicious (one) of God.
Hebrew's ideal for this sort of thing, btw. When I changed my last name from Aaronson to Liel, I made that name up. And then I found out the name existed already, both as a surname and as a girl's given name.
Naetzel, btw, Geoff, is pronounced na-etz-EL. But I suppose most readers would read it as NAY-tzel. I have a similar problem with my name. It's LEE-el, but people are always reading it as LIE-el or LEEL. I've thought about writing it as Li'el or putting a diareses atop the e, but I'm too lazy for that.
Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
quote:Originally posted by King of Men: Shlemiel?
Ha! Good one!
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
Thanks, this is fascinating.
I'm still curious if it would be possible to create a name that meant
Angry with God.
and one that meant
Critic of God or perhaps Critical of God.
Posted by Armoth (Member # 4752) on :
Angry with God - Kaasel
Critic of God - Bikorel - This is iffy...
Posted by Puppy (Member # 6721) on :
Lisa, yeah, I figured each vowel in the Romanization was probably meant to be pronounced independently, and not treated as dipthongs ... but still, finding a way to tie a common American nickname to it makes it way more viable as a name of a "cool guy" in a work of fiction, so I'd probably go for the "Nate" thing anyway Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by Armoth: Angry with God - Kaasel
Wouldn't that be Anger of God?
Posted by T:man (Member # 11614) on :
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