Here are the facts, I was at home, but sleeping during the period and wouldn't have heard a thing.
My roommate was playing with it last until he left for work, since I was home he left the door unlocked.
When he came back he checked his room and it was missing.
So someone ergo walked in went into his room took it and walked out.
My roommate for being an negligent idiot for leaving the door unlocked is clearly at fault here yes?
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
And I am officially in favour of capitol punishment for petty property theft.
Posted by Valentine014 (Member # 5981) on :
Or he sold it. Either way, he should pay to replace it.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: My roommate for being an negligent idiot for leaving the door unlocked is clearly at fault here yes?
One could gamble on whether or not you're going to get the price of a PS3 out of him.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
Well hes said hell pay, just need to wait until his tax returns or his burseries.
Question, if my moms insurance covers it does he still pay? I really don't like the idea of him getting off scott free for stupidity, there has to be some comeuppence.
Posted by 0Megabyte (Member # 8624) on :
Is this the same roommate that you had trouble some months ago, Blayne? What with people entering your house and room without permission, and so forth?
Posted by 0Megabyte (Member # 8624) on :
Oh.
And what's ergo walking? Is the ergo walk anything like the moon walk?
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
It would have worked with commas. I just fill in the grammar when reading Blayne's posts.
Edit: Admittedly, "so" and "ergo" together is sort of a tautology, but whatever.
Posted by Vadon (Member # 4561) on :
quote:Originally posted by 0Megabyte: Oh.
And what's ergo walking? Is the ergo walk anything like the moon walk?
It was an awkward use of ergo, cut some slack.
A more properly structured sentence would have been "Ergo someone walked into ..." but considering Blayne's loss of a valuable item, I'm willing to forgo pretty sentence structuring.
And on topic, here's my opinion. It's not your fault, it is your roommate's fault, it was likely an avoidable accident, he ought to make it up to you in some form or another, and it's not worth feeling a great deal of rage over, but perhaps worth a reasoned question on whether or not you feel safe with your roommate. If you have had problems with him locking the door before, you should really work to emphasize why it's so important that he lock the door.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
Blayne, why on Earth would you let your roommate take your PS3 into his room when you know he lets random people into his room?
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
because he was a whiny narcissistic asshole who just wouldn't STOP whining when I took it into my room as punishment for when one of his friends irresponsibly put out a cigarette on it until he agreed to replace that one "sometime in the future".
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Sounds like it was avoidable, then.
Posted by James Tiberius Kirk (Member # 2832) on :
quote:Question, if my moms insurance covers it does he still pay?
Yes.
--j_k
Posted by Tammy (Member # 4119) on :
That's awful!
My son had his stolen one month after getting the crazy thing. I've told him it was entirely his fault, several times. He took it to school and left it in his gym locker. He knew not to do that. He was advised to not do that. I flat out told him he wasn't allowed. The school rules (like anyone obeys those with cell phones & I-pods) forbid it. He didn't listen, and he lost out. I hope that provided a good life lesson there.
This went down a couple of years ago and I still get pissed thinking about it.
That's one thing that concerns me with him rooming with someone he doesn't really know. He, like you apparently, is entirely to trusting.
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
If you put in a claim on your mom's insurance, you'll need to file a police report and her payments likely will go up. Plus it's probably under the deductible, anyway. If he's at fault, it's much better for him to just buy you a new one and not to mention it to the insurance company. Good luck with that.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
quote:Originally posted by James Tiberius Kirk:
quote:Question, if my moms insurance covers it does he still pay?
Yes.
--j_k
So wait explain this, if insurance gives me the 600 or so $ I spent, my roommate will claim "well you got it back for free anyways" and will try not to pay. Even if I get insurance to replace it does he get off scott free and not have to compensate for anything or does he still have to pay?
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
He has not learned his lesson, he does not learned to be responsible with other people's belongings, he just doesn't GET it?! Stupid irresponsible people should not be left off to technicalities, and if my moms insurance doesn't cover it I am damn well making sure he pays.
Next question, what is generally the penalty for breaking a lease? If its cheaper then 300$ * 5-6 months remaining I think I will do that, move back home, my 2000$ computer is MORE important then his convenience.
[ February 13, 2009, 12:16 AM: Message edited by: Blayne Bradley ]
Posted by Xaposert (Member # 1612) on :
If you let him put the PS3 in his room, knowing that he typically leaves the door unlocked and allows strangers to come in his room, I'd say you share part of the fault. Especially if you were at home when it happened.
Posted by Xann. (Member # 11482) on :
quote:Originally posted by Tammy: That's awful!
My son had his stolen one month after getting the crazy thing. I've told him it was entirely his fault, several times. He took it to school and left it in his gym locker. He knew not to do that. He was advised to not do that. I flat out told him he wasn't allowed. The school rules (like anyone obeys those with cell phones & I-pods) forbid it. He didn't listen, and he lost out. I hope that provided a good life lesson there.
This went down a couple of years ago and I still get pissed thinking about it.
That's one thing that concerns me with him rooming with someone he doesn't really know. He, like you apparently, is entirely to trusting.
I assume you mean your Son's PSP, because i can't see fitting my Ps3 into my gym locker.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Call the police, and file a report. It gives you leverage.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
That said, if your mom's insurance will cover it -- which, frankly, I doubt, because most deductibles are around $500 in the first place -- I wouldn't sweat it. That's why insurance exists, and one claim shouldn't affect her rates.
(Note: if a claim DOES affect her rates, don't bother filing a claim. She'll wind up paying a lot more than $600 in the long run.)
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quote:If its cheaper then 300$ * 5-6 months remaining I think I will do that, move back home...
Aren't you still in school? And wasn't your father verbally and occasionally physically abusing you?
Dude, just get a new roommate, or keep your stuff in your own room and don't let it leave.
Posted by theresa51282 (Member # 8037) on :
What sort of school do you go to? That just seems insane to me to have so many problems with theft. I had 4 roommates in college. We locked when we were all out but if one of us was around and sleeping we didn't ever lock up. We had tons of people in and out. We lived in a suite and the bedrooms didn't even have locks on them. I never had problems with theft and I never heard of anyone else in the dorms have these issues. I would seriously talk to the head of your dorms if there are so many theft issues going around. It sounds like the whole culture needs a lot of work.
Rather than breaking your lease, why don't you leave your laptop with your parents and use on campus computers for the rest of the semester. Or you could buy a cheap laptop for use at school and keep your other one at home.
Posted by Tammy (Member # 4119) on :
quote:Originally posted by Xann.:
quote:Originally posted by Tammy: That's awful!
My son had his stolen one month after getting the crazy thing. I've told him it was entirely his fault, several times. He took it to school and left it in his gym locker. He knew not to do that. He was advised to not do that. I flat out told him he wasn't allowed. The school rules (like anyone obeys those with cell phones & I-pods) forbid it. He didn't listen, and he lost out. I hope that provided a good life lesson there.
This went down a couple of years ago and I still get pissed thinking about it.
That's one thing that concerns me with him rooming with someone he doesn't really know. He, like you apparently, is entirely to trusting.
I assume you mean your Son's PSP, because i can't see fitting my Ps3 into my gym locker.
Yes, you assume correctly.
I'm going to go take a nap now.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
If you push hard enough it fits.....it just doesn't work later. Posted by Elmer's Glue (Member # 9313) on :
That's what she said?
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
Theresa, Blayne doesn't live on campus. As well, I can confirm that his roommate is kind of a blank.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
I lived in an apartment complex that looks like a throwaway to the Warsaw commie blocks.
It seems my roommates cousin saw who did it, and saw him walking out of my building at the time, wearing all black, with a big bag, and lockpicking tools and is known as the local thief, and even called said cousin saying hes going to "make 150$ tonight".
The problem there is that this cousin will have nothing to do with the police. Things just get better and better in ghettoland.
" If you let him put the PS3 in his room, knowing that he typically leaves the door unlocked and allows strangers to come in his room, I'd say you share part of the fault. Especially if you were at home when it happened. "
No, he does not have a habit of leaving for work with the doors unlocked, he only left it unlocked because "I was there" but I have diagnosable hearing condition, crappier hearing, door was closed and had headphones on. It is not my responsibility to pay attention, it was totally my roommates to leave the door locked when he leaves.
Oh how I WISH I caught the bastard in the act, we'ld have one less poor kid professional thief in the world after a nice long 1 on 1 session between him, and my magic toolbox.
So far my parents believe the following:
That I must immediately get, in writing an IOU or promisary note where he states he will get me a new PS3, from BestBuy so my warranty will be moved over.
Holden has it in his mind, to wait until april to buy me a new one, but in the meantime thats 4 months of my making payments on something I do not have the luxury of playing. My parents are suggesting making him pay for that, my roommate laughably tried to put it on me saying that if I continued "being an ass about this" he would gladly go to court over this and "win", but my dad, my mom, who the latter was a lawyer and my dad whose been to dozens of small claims courts just shrugged at him explaining my roommate has no case.
Posted by 0Megabyte (Member # 8624) on :
Well, I was teasing about the ergo walking. It just sounded amusing is all!
As for this:
Blayne. Let this be the lesson for you and all of us. When you know your roommate or whoever isn't trustworthy, don't let any amount of whining make you give in, and make clear that the untrustworthiness is the reason, albeit in a polite manner.
It's the persons' fault, of course, that it was lost, and they have that responsibility.
But you are not blameless, for there was every reason to suspect this could occur. However, you now have a $500 or more lesson in responsibility.
Posted by 0Megabyte (Member # 8624) on :
"It is not my responsibility to pay attention, it was totally my roommates to leave the door locked when he leaves."
Perhaps not. But if the person who robbed you while you were literally in the next room had had a gun... well, that would have just been too bad, wouldn't it?
It reminds me of what a character on Family Guy said once.
"Sure I saw it. Sure, I only have one eye. And I got salt water in it. And I had an infection. And it was dark. And my glasses were at lenscrafters. But I saw that fish!"
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
quote:Oh how I WISH I caught the bastard in the act, we'ld have one less poor kid professional thief in the world after a nice long 1 on 1 session between him, and my magic toolbox.
Parody is dead.
Posted by 0Megabyte (Member # 8624) on :
No.
It's undead.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
Well the idiot had without consulted me, bid 300$ on the same model but probably used or refurbished PS3 on Ebay, stating its a binding contract and that I "have" to accept it.
Dear god that is his own damned fault, I cannot accept something I cannot ever be able to send back for repairs or get an extended warranty on or transfer my warranty over to.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
What you should do is set down the rules and just make him give you a promissory note that will make him reimburse you in cash for the cost of the PS3 + warranty as purchased.
He needs to be made to understand that he can't duck out of his responsibility by offering you a refurb from Ebay since it is not equivalent to what he's lost.
Then you need to recognize that as long as you still live with him, all of the future foibles you experience because of what your idiot roomate can wrest out of you (weh, how dare you keep your ps3 in your room, I think I'll bugger you till you fold) is pretty much going to be a self-imposed life condition.
PS: take money and don't buy another PS3, as their value is crashing and the platform is dying.
taaake my adviiiice.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
quote:my dad, my mom, who the latter was a lawyer and my dad whose been to dozens of small claims courts just shrugged at him explaining my roommate has no case
Blayne, in all seriousness, as far as I can tell, you don't have a case. You haven't filed a police report. You have no proof that your PS3 was in your roommate's possession when it went missing. And so forth.
If I were in your situation, I'd ask him for a couple hundred dollars and write the rest of it off as a life lesson.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
Umm, here's where your wrong:
1) I did indeed file a police report. Take That. 2) He admitted to the Police, to his mom, and to me via IM it was in his room at the time.
SO yes, I have a case.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
Get the note.
Get him to pay you cash.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
Right now he *bought* a PS3 via Ebay (somehow he couldnt figure out how to cancel a bid) and is saying "accept this or sue me"
Poor bugger, and all he had to do was get a BestBuy card and buy one for me. Itld be the same thing.
The problem is, he doesn't have the money and in the meantime I am still making payments to BestBuy on something that now I don't have, otherwise he doesn't get his tax returns until April.
So my solution (technically my moms) is to have him get a BB card, buy a PS3, (is he or is he not liable for the amount *I* paid or does he only have to get the next closest version? The Backwards compatible PS3's aren't made anymore) and thats done.
Instead he went and did something stupid and is being stubborn to reinforce his stupid decision.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
Bet you 2 months from now he's still your roommate and you didn't get properly reimbursed.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
im in process of moving out.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
timing it. April 12th.
Posted by Elmer's Glue (Member # 9313) on :
What else did you lose? As in games, controllers...
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
technically i think ive been robbed of the following:
A cell phone, an ipod shuffle, 2 controllers, PS3 (TWICE, got it back the first time but it was stolen because my roommate was drunk let some people in through the pateo door who went around unlocked the front door let more people in for then proceeded to steal my PS3), FF12, and my RCA cables for the PS3 and the controller wire.
SO ya, definitely pissed. Moving out now before my computer is next.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
You're not moving home, are you? A) What about school? B) What about your home environment?
Posted by scholarette (Member # 11540) on :
Did you ever put a lock on your individual door?
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
To Tom: Im moving back to my parents yes but i intend to ask either my sister or brother (both live in same campus as John Abott in Houses/flats).
The home environment right now is supportive albeit slightly annoying, but I at least by summerish plan to move downtown to University of Concordia campus at atleast within 20 minutes shuttlebus.
School is currently going along well im in my internship as IT, got 16/16 on my first calculus quiz, and am proceeding well in my windows networking class.
To Scholarette: No, but it wouldnt have helped as my PS3 was in my roommate apartment on loan and under his care and he categorically refuses to have a lock on his door. I was in the process of getting one when this happened.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
his argument:
quote:
my mom has now advised me to tell you to not pay more than half since legally you are half responsible (she watches small claims court on tv all day) and frankly, i can spin the arguments back around on you, you didnt verify the door was locked, you were home, etc
its ridiculous for you to place the blame solely on me, and if you try to take me to court, i will end up paying half as will you
regardless of your hearing etc., you were home, and awake when i left, as you informed the cops on our police report
at that point, from a legal standpoint, we equally share responsibility
I should note that he went from "I will win hands down" to "I will end up only paying half"
Seriously, "my mom watches alot of small claims court tv"!!! Is he serious? I can't believe I will actually have to go to court just to prove I'm right, I actually contacted the McGill Univeristy Legal Clinic, they have a TV. *sarcastic clapping*
Posted by scifibum (Member # 7625) on :
It's not really clear to me why he'd be legally responsible if you allowed him to take the item into his room and then someone else came into the apartment and stole it.
If I were you I'd take what he's offering. A replacement PS seems reasonable, if it's working.
Posted by natural_mystic (Member # 11760) on :
quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: And I am officially in favour of capitol punishment for petty property theft.
And keying of cars!!
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
and they don't take serial numbers for those extended warrantees, so it should be covered if it breaks as long as it is the same model. Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
It was in his room as in it HIS responsibility to keep it safe, by not locking the door he was Negligent thereby allowing someone to walk in and take it. He borrowed it, it was as long as it was in his room his responsibility to take care of it.
If I borrow your car and leave the door unlocked and the keys in the ignition and someone takes it, whose at fault?
The problem with a replacement is cost:
I paid over 900$, roughly 550 on the PS3 itself, 200+$ on extended warranty and care, 100$ on an HDMi cable, then comes taxes.
I have had it for 6 months and I am STILL not done paying for it, giving me the 200 or so $ for the warranty doesnt change the following:
-The Ebay version will probably not work. -Sony will not TOUCH a refurbished PS3. -There is no way bestBuy will transfer over the warranty. -There is no way even with 200$ of getting any kind of service plan with anyone.
In short Ild have a system that could break in 5 minutes or 5 months and there would be no way to fix it, in short I would be screwed.
Frankly he bidded on it, he bought it, he didnt ask or consult me and now that hes wasted 350$ hes trying to force it on me.
"Accept my offer or I will see you in court" are his exact words.
There was a perfectly acceptable way for him to fix this, get his own BestBuy card, buy me the same value PS3, then Ild transfer the warranty and that would be it. But no, he chose the irresponsible impulsive path and if I have to take him to court now he will be liable for legal fees as well. In short he probably ruined his own financial life for the next couple of years in this act of defiance and responsibility bucking.
Posted by rollainm (Member # 8318) on :
Why in the world would anyone spend more than ten bucks on an hdmi cable?
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
Yeah, wow. The $10 cable will have exactly the 'performance' of the $100 one. The thing's digital!
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
Guys I wouldn't kick Blayne while he's down.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
I have never seen HDMi cables for less then 50$, I got mine anyways as part of a PS3 peripiral kit.
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
There are tons available for $15 to $20 US if you look around online. $10 is rarer.
Posted by Mucus (Member # 9735) on :
BlackBlade: Indeed. Seriously, I'd focus more on the problems with the living space, the potential for more loss, and even the chance of there being violence (assuming that the description of force being used to enter the suite/apartment was accurate) rather than a dinky cable. Safety first and all that.
Posted by MattP (Member # 10495) on :
For future reference, these work just fine. ($1.59)
Not down-kicking. Just hoping to save you a few bucks in the future.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
ya but mine was PS3 memorabilia which I got for fanboy reasons and now its gone, he needs to replace it even if they are availiable somewhere else cheaper.
I should point out that ordering stuff online has screwed up often enough that I only consider it for emergencies.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
Blayne, what exactly could people on this forum offer you that you would find valuable?
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
Nothing. Which is why I'm flabbergasted why anyone even tries anymore.
ps -- I'd like to place myself firmly in Samp's camp (unfortunate rhyme) and also say that Blayne never gets fully reimbursed for this.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
My family and I will be suing him once we finish transferring all my stuff back to my parents.
BB what I've found of value is the confirmation that yes, HE IS liable for the replacement, a full replacement for the value I paid from BestBuy so my warranty can transfer over.
Vadon and kwea have posted to the affirmative he is responsible.
Oh well, if this to small claims (in quebec) he will be liable up to 1200$ in legal fees on top of what he owes me, which would add up to 2100$, ruining his financial life for years. And just because he wouldn't admit that buying a refurbished PS3 on Ebay was a stupid mistake and accept he owes me a 550$ PS3.
Also Kwea, while I do not know if they check the serial number or not the fact of the matter is that it is probably been opened, Sony would check the seal and see that, also if caught I would have commited fraud the penalties of which tend to be harsh on those who get caught.
Posted by swbarnes2 (Member # 10225) on :
quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: It was in his room as in it HIS responsibility to keep it safe, by not locking the door he was Negligent thereby allowing someone to walk in and take it. He borrowed it, it was as long as it was in his room his responsibility to take care of it.
So you aren't responsible, and he is. Congrats.
Is that sense of moral righteousness really worth $600? How many games can you play from that moral high ground?
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
None until he forks up the money for his stupidity. If he had kept the door locked, or returned it to my room as originally agreed when he was done, I would still have it and he would be responsibile for whatever other crap the thief would have stolen from him.
This isn't about the moral highground, this is about getting the little weasel to fork up his comeuppance and accept responsibility for once.
Posted by natural_mystic (Member # 11760) on :
quote:Originally posted by swbarnes2: So you aren't responsible, and he is. Congrats.
Is that sense of moral righteousness really worth $600? How many games can you play from that moral high ground? [/QB]
His point is that this situation means he is entitled to compensation.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
quote:My family and I will be suing him once we finish transferring all my stuff back to my parents.
Blayne, I've asked you this before:
1) What happened to school? 2) Weren't your parents abusing you? Why would you move back in?
Posted by The Genuine (Member # 11446) on :
How much does a PS3 cost?
I suspect it's not worth suing over. I wouldn't take the case.
Posted by MattP (Member # 10495) on :
A PS3 currently costs $400 new, though occasionally one can be found at discount for $300 which is what I paid for mine.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by TomDavidson:
quote:My family and I will be suing him once we finish transferring all my stuff back to my parents.
Blayne, I've asked you this before:
1) What happened to school? 2) Weren't your parents abusing you? Why would you move back in?
I would like to know these two things too Blayne.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
I answered those questions. I am still in school, I get driven in although the train is also an option/
said parents are doing significantly less now that things have calmed down and appreciate my presence more.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
quote:Originally posted by MattP: A PS3 currently costs $400 new, though occasionally one can be found at discount for $300 which is what I paid for mine.
I paid 550$ from BestBuy for the MGS4 "Edition" as it had the model that gave me Backwards Compatibility, as such I will be insisting on the 550+Tax$.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
quote:I paid 550$ from BestBuy for the MGS4 "Edition" as it had the model that gave me Backwards Compatibility...
Out of interest, would you accept a PS3 and a PS2?
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
I want my for value replacement of a PS3, at this point they don't make backwards compatible models anymore so I will accept the closest-value-i-paid model.
Justice Rewards the Righteous.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
FYI: if you're defining "justice" as "what happens to the righteous," I don't think you could really call that a "reward."
Posted by Lanfear (Member # 7776) on :
I can't for the life of me figure out how a college aged student decided that buying a PS3 was worth payments, when he couldn't even buy it outright.
And then, lends it to someone he knows isn't trustworthy.
Of course its partially your fault
Posted by MattP (Member # 10495) on :
quote:I can't for the life of me figure out how a college aged student decided that buying a PS3 was worth payments, when he couldn't even buy it outright.
I can figure it out. I bought superficial stuff on credit when I was in college too. Some of it I regret, some not.
quote:Of course its partially your fault
Agreed. It sounds like Blayne had a pretty good sense of the risks involved in this arrangement.
Posted by camus (Member # 8052) on :
Personally, I'd love to see this go to small claims court. The entertainment value alone would almost be worth a new PS3.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: My family and I will be suing him once we finish transferring all my stuff back to my parents.
BB what I've found of value is the confirmation that yes, HE IS liable for the replacement, a full replacement for the value I paid from BestBuy so my warranty can transfer over.
Vadon and kwea have posted to the affirmative he is responsible.
Oh well, if this to small claims (in quebec) he will be liable up to 1200$ in legal fees on top of what he owes me, which would add up to 2100$, ruining his financial life for years. And just because he wouldn't admit that buying a refurbished PS3 on Ebay was a stupid mistake and accept he owes me a 550$ PS3.
Also Kwea, while I do not know if they check the serial number or not the fact of the matter is that it is probably been opened, Sony would check the seal and see that, also if caught I would have commited fraud the penalties of which tend to be harsh on those who get caught.
Morally he is, I'd say. It's pretty much his word vs yours in court though, and I would bet that you'd share in the responsibility there.
Get out, stay safe, and move on. Sue if you can and TRY to get some compensation, but if this is all it costs you to get out and away from him safe and sound I'd say it's a cheap price in the long run.
We ALL have stories like this, Blayne. Mine cost me $1600 and 3 trips to court, and I still think that was cheap in the long run, considering I might have married her one day. :::shudders:::
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
quote:Originally posted by MattP:
quote:I can't for the life of me figure out how a college aged student decided that buying a PS3 was worth payments, when he couldn't even buy it outright.
I can figure it out. I bought superficial stuff on credit when I was in college too. Some of it I regret, some not.
quote:Of course its partially your fault
Agreed. It sounds like Blayne had a pretty good sense of the risks involved in this arrangement.
His untrustworhyness isnt really important legally without character witnesses.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
Well Kwea I have a pretty good witness, the Police, its in the report that A) It was in his room, and B) he had left the door unlocked.
Ah yes, poor poor roommate, not realizing yes his words can and will be used against him.
Posted by scifibum (Member # 7625) on :
"His untrustworhyness isnt really important legally without character witnesses."
Are you trying to say that your judgment in lending the equipment is not at question unless someone testifies that you shouldn't have trusted this guy?
I don't know what you're talking about, but if you think it was a foreseeably bad idea to lend this guy your equipment, then take some responsibility.
Posted by theresa51282 (Member # 8037) on :
You should consider what it will cost you to go to court. A lot of times it is just not worth it. You may or may not need legal assistance. It will certainly require time and effort on your part. Even if you win in court, you still need to actually collect the money. I know several friends who have sued and won. Yet never saw a dime of the money. When all is said and done, you are very likely better off just taking the play station he is offering.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
It was not foreseeably bad, it is not HE who took it or pawned it (afaik) and he had agreed verbally to replace it when he had a few months back damaged it, whenever things like controllers broke he always within a day replaced it. There was no one who actually came to me and said "Blayne that roommate is bad bad fish".
I had absolutely no prior means of determining letting him take my PS3 to his room could have had disastrous consequences.
Posted by theresa51282 (Member # 8037) on :
A quick google search of Canadian small claims courts seems to show that it would be at least several hundred dollars worth of court fees to file and that does not include any witnesses including police which is an extra charge. On some occasions court costs will be assigned to the losing party but not always. Either way, you would need the money up front.
thats ontario, where I live and my dad has been to our small claims courts often (sueing MDG is almsot a fulltime job) its only 50$ fee. The police only need to give me our statements.
Posted by scifibum (Member # 7625) on :
No, you also need a judge to agree that the roommate is liable for someone else coming into the apartment while you were there and stealing something. That's a bit of a stretch, IMO.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
its not a stretch, the theif wouldn't have come in if the door wasnt left unlocked, I had no way of knowing my roommate had actually left the apartment for work, the theif also wouldnt have known the steal the PS3 if he hadnt invited that very theif over several times showing it to him.
1) My door was closed the entire time, I was in my room the full time.
2) I have documented problems with my hearing and a doctors referral to prove it.
3) It is not my responsibility in a bad neighbourhood to check if the door is locked if I believed my roommate was home. He didnt inform me he left for work.
The PS3 was under my roommates care, I had lent it to him under the verbal agreement that he was to RETURN it to my room when he was done with it, he did not.
This is so clearly his liability.
Saying "I was there" in a 4 1/2 apartment is like saying the NEIGHBOR was there. I didn't see him do it or have the oppurtunity to stop him, and what if I was sleeping? Or if the crook had a knife? Or a gun? Are you suggesting that it is actually somehow my responsibility to check if the door was locked when my roommate went for work when I do not know he had even left?
Posted by MattP (Member # 10495) on :
It's also not much a stress that the judge will say "#$%& happens" and not apply any legal blame to your roommate. The question of whether he's legally liable for loss due to a theft that occured when he left the door unlocked is not at all clear. Leaving a door unlocked is not criminal and itn't even necessarily negligent.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
Matt, while legally it may not be negligent, in Blayne's neighborhood it sure as hell is practically.
Posted by camus (Member # 8052) on :
Blayne, considering that you were awake and didn't bother to check the security of your apartment before taking a nap despite being aware of your hearing condition, I consider you to be equally responsible for an intruder getting into your apartment. If something of your roommate's had been stolen, I'd consider you to be somewhat responsible for that since you didn't bother to check if it was safe for you to take a nap.
Posted by Sterling (Member # 8096) on :
quote:Originally posted by rollainm: Why in the world would anyone spend more than ten bucks on an hdmi cable?
Well, you have to remember, it's $100 Canadian. That's, what, eighty cents?
Seriously, sorry to hear about the theft, Blayne- that's got to be unnerving. I'd certainly do what's necessary to get the value of what is stolen back, but I'd advise against getting greedy. Settle for cost, if you can.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
quote:Originally posted by camus: Blayne, considering that you were awake and didn't bother to check the security of your apartment before taking a nap despite being aware of your hearing condition, I consider you to be equally responsible for an intruder getting into your apartment. If something of your roommate's had been stolen, I'd consider you to be somewhat responsible for that since you didn't bother to check if it was safe for you to take a nap.
And that my roommate hadn't bothered to inform me he had left for work means nothing in this equation? That if the thief was armed also means nothing? As far as I knew and was aware my roommate was home, and 99% of the door the front door is locked, it is something I insist on, me never leaving my room, being completely oblivious to my surroundings, is something that is the norm and rule that my roommate is well aware of as such it is entirely his responsibility when leaving to make sure the house is locked as it would be totally irresponsible on my roommate by not informing me to rely upon a deaf, perception challenged person to actually keep watch when ignorant of said roommate's absence.
quote: HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
Blayne, seriously, I have exams to s tudy for HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
i dont have time for this Blayne says: I'm sorry holden but I still have to make payments on an object that currently I do not have in my posession HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
yes, and atm I cannot do anything HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
I cant sell the ps3 until i get it Blayne says: you can take a bus to bestbuy tomorrow and replace it HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
Blayne, do you remember when you agreed to wait for my tax return in the first place HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
I bought the ps3 on ebay so you didnt have to Blayne says: the ebay'ed PS3 is not a legitimate replacement. HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
fine, then you need to wait for my tax return HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
im not paying 25% interest on a bestbuy card Blayne says: I am not obligated to work towards your convenience HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
Until a court says otherwise, you are HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
im not saying im not going to replace it HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
im saying im ridiculously broke HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
and cannot afford it Blayne says: your going about it in an encredibly roundabout fashion, it can be replaced tomorrow with 1 bus trip. HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
Blayne, it can be Blayne says: You have a job and bursuries HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
No i dont have bursaries HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
I may be getting them, i have an appointment on wednesday to plead my case HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
but because my parents live on island, i make less a month now than you HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
if i get the bursaries, different story HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
in a second i can replace it HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
right now im looking at the 5000 or so in debt i have Blayne says: well you will probably get bursuries, and you do have a job, and as you said you will get tax returns by april, you can survive 4 months with the purchase on a bestbuy card HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
and our bills to consicder HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
you are being ridiculously unfair about this HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
i replaced everything Blayne says: then you should have locked the door on the way out, not invited every shady thief on the complex over for beer and games, and should have as originally agreed, returned the PS3 in its box to my room everytime you were finished with it HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
yes HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
maybe so HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
and because of that i said i would replace it HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
but you are being a righteous asshole about this HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
i offered you an immediate solution, and you countered with its not good enough HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
fine, i get it, but I am doing what i can HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
im not getting another credit card Blayne says: I am not being unrasonable Holden but you should not have ordered it without first waiting for me to consult my parents HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
and hurting my credit even more for your convenience HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
you are right HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
be that as it may, im not getting another card HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
my credit rating is falling because of my debt Blayne says: a bestbuy card you can make the payments on each month is not going to hurt your credit HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
I cannot afford our bills then Blayne says: even if they only approve you for 500, I am willing to probably pay the difference just so I get it faster HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
and as for the warranty, i owe you 18 months, not 2 years Blayne says: correction, the warranty doesnt kick in until the 1 years manufacturors warranty expires first HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
either way, 6 months off the warranty HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
i dont have to pay Blayne says: Holden, I do not want you to "pay" me the warranty, BestBuy will TRANSFER it over for free HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
yes, i get it Blayne says: but it HAS to be on a brand new store bought model HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
fine, i can deal with that Blayne says: for the value I paid for HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
But im not getting a card Blayne says: its the easiest, fastest and frankly cheapest solution HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
For you HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
it hurts me HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
a lot more HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
Id rather have money for rent Blayne says: its cheaper for you then say having to go to court and handle court fees, the inconvenicne of having to go, and cheaper arguably by not having the extra stress when studying. HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
If i told you i will replace it by april, by the time we got to court it would be after april HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
it makes no sense to take me to court Blayne says: that is a matter of opinion Blayne says: according to my calculations Blayne says: you should get at least 4-6 months of no interest Blayne says: on the bets buy card HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
Blayne, i asked them at the store Blayne says: on a 500$ purchase HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
they told me you got an error Blayne says: yes, because I got it for 12 months HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
you dont remember when we went with my dad HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
regardless Blayne says: the actual offer was for 6 months HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
you can take me to court if you want HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
but I am going to replace it when i can HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
i never said i wont replace it HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
i will even give you the monetary value of wtv warranty time you lose Blayne says: Holden, you said it yourself you don't need the stress, I am offering the perfect solution, you get a BestBuy card, you don't have to pay interest (which if I recall was your only concern) HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
A perfect solution for me is to use my tax return Blayne says: in 4 months you get your tax returns and pay it all off Blayne says: at most your paying 30$ a month HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
in a month and a half i get my tax return HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
mid-february i get my papers from work HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
then my mom files my taxes Blayne says: you honestly get 630$ in a single tax return? HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
2 weeks later i get my return HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
i got 900 last year HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
and made more this year, being a st udent, i will pull over a 1000 no problem Blayne says: the problem here holden is that am paying 60$ a month on this for this 4 month period inwhich I do not have it, this isn't fair for me, not only am I paying for something I don't have, I can't even use the something I don't have Blayne says: you could end and settle this right now, with no actual or real burdon on yuorself financially I did the math Blayne says: at most your paying 30$ a month HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
thats 30 a month i dont have HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
thats the problem Blayne says: and in 4 months boom, your Me-Debt free HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
id like to eat Blayne says: yes but yould probly be able to sell the PS3 you ebay'ed in under a month Blayne says: giving you back a "buffer" of 400$ in which to eat HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
yes, which goes back to my cc HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
thats 400 i dont have Blayne says: and your/our bills are significantly less now HSR - But I'll be sitting by myself here waiting oh so patiently, waiting for the sky to fall and purge this frail humanity says:
no, they are significantly more since im making 400 less a month easy Blayne says: well I made my offer and it was reasonable. I will not continue this tonight as we're just going around in circles and my consultants are not availiable. Blayne says: good night
With this conversation I have at one stroke have all the proof I need. Hurray for ones words that can and will be used against you!
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
I refuse to believe that he is so indebt that by budgeting a bit more carefully he cannot afford 30$ a month or revert to minimum payments on his CC for 4 months. Or heck, BORROW 30$ for 4 months from his mom.
Posted by Vadon (Member # 4561) on :
After seeing the new developments, I'm leaning toward Camus' position. If you were awake when he left, then the security of the home seems like it would fall under your watch. I mean, I always check when someone leaves to see if they remembered to lock the door behind them. I also don't think it's your RM's responsibility to inform you if he's off to work. It should be kind of understood that he has a job and will go do it.
I originally thought everything happened in your sleep, in which case I believe that it would have been easy to point the finger at your room mate. But it didn't, and so I think it's harder to put the blame squarely on his shoulders.
ETA: That's not to say I don't feel sorry for you or that I don't think the roommate compensate you in some form or another. Afterall, I tend to believe that if you lend something to someone, they ought to protect it and reimburse you for the damages the occur while it's in their possession. But I do now think that because there is some doubt, it may just be better to be satisfied with what he can offer.
[ February 14, 2009, 03:02 AM: Message edited by: Vadon ]
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
I am generally not home at that given time, I was sick so I stayed home, I do not know my RM scheduel how would I know he works at that particular day at that particular shift? We barely spoke that week and for a few weeks before that I was at my parents.
Its a neighbourhood thats basically a slum ghetto, he should have locked the door, if I didnt know he left, and it is my habit to almost never leave my room. Once more, what if the theif had had a gun or a knife? A witness had said he had lockpicking tools, the thief was obviously prepared for more then just walking in.
Posted by theresa51282 (Member # 8037) on :
If he had lock picking tools it wouldn't have made any difference if your roommate had locked the door. Sounds like the person who is responsible for your PS3 is the thief not your roommate. I am actually surprised at how willing your roommate is to compensate you.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
Blayne, I think you're being unreasonable about this. Your roommate is clearly doing his best to replace your hardware. He foolishly bought an inadequate replacement, but he sensibly is unwilling to risk his own credit to replace what is ultimately a non-essential luxury item at a time when money is tight.
He's right, too, about the timeframe: even if you were to take him to court, and even if you were to win, there is absolutely no way on God's green Earth that you're going to get money from him before April. The hearing itself will take at least a month and a half; after that, he'll almost certainly be given a period in which to pay, and his payments will go to another body to be transferred to you -- which means that you'd start seeing money (probably about $50 a month) begin trickling in some time in late April.
It's not worth jeopardizing your relationship with this guy just so you can play video games sooner than he's promised you.
Note, too, that he's actually managed to obtain a functional PS3. If you don't play a lot of PS2 games, you can play it while he tries to sell it again, thus making the period of time between its arrival and the time he can afford to buy a full-price replacement from Best Buy pass far less onerously.
In other words: I think it is unreasonable of you to demand that he go into debt to finance a replacement item that you are partially at fault for losing. And while you might -- let me emphasize "might" -- win a court case, it won't get you your PS3 any faster and will almost certainly cost you Holden's goodwill.
Posted by The Genuine (Member # 11446) on :
I would apologize for being a douche to your roommate and move on.
Posted by Xann. (Member # 11482) on :
You know what, I know the real problem. How many hours didd you have put into that game of FF12? I would be angry too, I once lost a FF7 game thirty-five hours in..... Horrid.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
So far the current plan is to break out of the lease (legally and with no consequences) and use it as leverage as if he cant afford 30$ a month (but could somehow afford a 30$ pizza when i came back for my clothes) he definately can't afford the other half of the rent.
Leverage.
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
I'm looking forward to the multitude of threads about how horrible your parents are and how you wish you weren't living with them. Maybe I'll go read the old threads now for a preview.
Posted by MattP (Member # 10495) on :
And he can't just find another roommate? Bail on the lease? (it's often pretty hard to do anything about that as a landlord)
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
quote:Originally posted by Xavier: I'm looking forward to the multitude of threads about how horrible your parents are and how you wish you weren't living with them. Maybe I'll go read the old threads now for a preview.
what? yould rather i stay somewhere where my multihundred dollar stuff is regularly stolen by the local thief?
Posted by ricree101 (Member # 7749) on :
quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: what? yould rather i stay somewhere where my multihundred dollar stuff is regularly stolen by the local thief?
I've only been casually skimming here. What else has been stolen?
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
My PS3 has in total been stolen twice (returned the first time), my cellphone, my ipod shuffle, at least 2 games, 2 controllers, not sure what else.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
And yet you continue to lend your crap out, rather than locking it all in your room full time...
Posted by MattP (Member # 10495) on :
You should totally sue yourself.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
Allow me to suggest you do something similar to yourself except four letters and involves procreating, probably involving your hand or a clone.
Posted by FlyingCow (Member # 2150) on :
I'm just curious why anyone would want to steal a PS3.
Posted by The Genuine (Member # 11446) on :
quote:Originally posted by FlyingCow: I'm just curious why anyone would want to steal a PS3.
To sell it to the owner's roommate on eBay.
Posted by Tresopax (Member # 1063) on :
Blayne, why are you letting such a small thing cause so much trouble? I guarantee that using leverage to try and force your roommate to pay for your stolen video game system now is going to end up costing you far far more (including ruining any relationship you have with him and who knows how much time and mental effort on your part) than just accepting that he's done his best to pay you back.
Here is what you should do: Accept the PS3 he bought you on ebay as payment. Thank your roommate for being willing to repay you as best he can. If the PS3 you receive is acceptable, use it - if not, sell it and use the return as partial payment for buying a brand new PS3. The difference may be a few hundred dollars, but that is nothing compared with the trouble you seem to be causing yourself by insisting on absolute justice.
Posted by lobo (Member # 1761) on :
quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: So far the current plan is to break out of the lease (legally and with no consequences) and use it as leverage as if he cant afford 30$ a month (but could somehow afford a 30$ pizza when i came back for my clothes) he definately can't afford the other half of the rent.
Leverage.
You sound like Terl from Battlefield Earth...
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley:
quote:Originally posted by Xavier: I'm looking forward to the multitude of threads about how horrible your parents are and how you wish you weren't living with them. Maybe I'll go read the old threads now for a preview.
what? yould rather i stay somewhere where my multihundred dollar stuff is regularly stolen by the local thief?
If I had to choose between living somewhere where my stuff may get stolen and living with a parent who physically and psychologically abused me, I'd go with the former. It isn't a binary choice, though. I don't know the details of your situation all that well, but I'm sure that there are alternatives beyond these two.
Are you still in school?
Posted by theresa51282 (Member # 8037) on :
Couldn't you simply live without a PS3 and take your laptop with you wherever you go? Seems better than a rotten home situation, a broken lease, and roommate issues.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
I don't have a laptop per say, I have a 2000$ desktop, my laptop which I worked my ass off to pay for 2 summers ago has fallen apart to the point I'm afraid to touch it.
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