If I missed an active thread devoted solely to those hunting for jobs then I apologize - I searched but we all know how reliable the search function is.
Well, I graduate in May. I'm job-hunting and getting very frustrated and discouraged. I know it takes time, particularly for the public sector, and I know that most school boards don't even know what teaching vacancies they'll have next year yet...but I guess I thought I'd be different - I would be the one who would already have a job lined up before I left student teaching. No such luck.
The thing is, everyone I interview with is very positive...they encourage me to apply, say all kinds of good things and I do everything I'm supposed to in follow-up (send thank you cards, follow up a week or so later with an email, etc.) and still nothing. Just nothing.
So, anybody else going through similar agony? Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
Not as bad I guess, but I'll commiserate with you. I'm trying to get an internship for the summer (not the same, I know) and I'll can find are brick walls. Thus is life I suppose. ((Belle))
Hobbes Posted by neo-dragon (Member # 7168) on :
I'm currently in my second consecutive year-long teaching position, and starting this May I will be back on the hunt for something permanent. I live in a province where there is definitely a surplus of people graduating from Bachelor of Education programs each year, and the only thing that has saved me from substitute teaching as opposed to the full year gigs is that I happen to be in the one board that's growing somewhat.
So it's safe to say I know a little bit about the hardships of breaking into the teaching game. Good luck to us both!
PS. I got my first job 1 week before classes started, and my current job 4 weeks into the semester. So trust me, April is much too early to be worried Posted by scholarette (Member # 11540) on :
My husband is looking for a job. The problem he is facing is that most places he has been looking at are not hiring. So, we'll go through like 5 webpages before we find one accepting applications. He had an interview in January and they expressed some interest and have called back a few times, but nothing firm yet.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
quote:Originally posted by neo-dragon: PS. I got my first job 1 week before classes started, and my current job 4 weeks into the semester. So trust me, April is much too early to be worried
I know! I know, I've been told it a thousand times. I am trying to be positive, and keep that in mind. I'm just scared...with construction drying up completely my husband's second income has shrunk considerably and we really really need me to work.
I'm frightened that I won't find anything. I did however, get some good news this evening. When I checked email, there was a note from someone I interviewed with last week telling me she had checked with some of my references, and that I was now at the top of her list for any openings that came up.
I guess if she is checking my references, that is a good sign, huh?
Posted by neo-dragon (Member # 7168) on :
Yeah, it most definitely is! Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
I know how this goes. Let's form a mafia!
I do have a temporary job for a couple of weeks, but I just can't get anything to STICK. Most of the temp places are running slowly. I haven't heard from many places I send resumes to.
Just beware of PEOPLE TRYING TO TRICK YOU IN NIGERIA! Look out. Good luck.
Posted by Tstorm (Member # 1871) on :
Yeup. It means that you've cleared the first hurdles.
Actually, my current employer didn't check references until after the interview stage.
Posted by neo-dragon (Member # 7168) on :
Isn't that the norm? At least for teaching positions around these parts, checking the references is little more than a formality before they offer you the job. It always comes after the interview.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
Well, it is definitely a hurdle, but by no means the only one. This person is the director for English for this school system...but it's the principal who makes final decisions. As I understand it, she is listened to when she makes recommendations, but ultimately the principal will decide.
The good news is that as the director for English, if there are any openings in English she will be among the first to know, so at least I can hear from her when something opens up. That is more than half the battle, right there - knowing where there's openings.
The other good news is this is a big system...over 50 schools, so chances are there will be something open.
I also have a shot at a job teaching computer applications at a middle school - they like my background with corporate training in computer applications and my technology skills. It's not what I'm trained for...I'm trained to teach English, but I have the skills they are looking for. Money would be the same, so it's definitely a possibility. I am awaiting a call to see if I get a second interview for that one.
Other than that, I have four other systems I applied with and am waiting to see if I clear the first hurdles with any of them.
scholarette, I wish your husband luck! I konw it is a scary and frustrating time for all of us looking for jobs. Syn, good luck finding something permanent.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
I decided I needed a new job over a year before I started my new job. I was searching more or less that entire time. Sometimes it just takes a while to find the right fit.
Posted by scholarette (Member # 11540) on :
Woohoo- starting May 15, I will be unemployed. My dept doesn't want to fund me anymore so they are giving me a masters and showing me the door. Considering how miserable I have been, this actually feels really good, very freeing.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
I'm glad you can be positive about it! That's a big part of the battle, I think - approaching job searches with a positive attitude. Potential employers want to hire people who are positive and not all doom and gloom.
I have heard nothing more, except an email back form a professor saying she will be happy to serve as a reference. That is encouraging, I guess.
My cooperating teacher told me that principals don't think about next year until this year is over...so don't expect anything to happen before July. I guess I knew that, but hoped it would be different.
Posted by Uprooted (Member # 8353) on :
Belle, I'm not a certified teacher but I did a stint as a long-term sub for a HS English teacher out on maternity. The head of the English department liked me and wanted me back, and said that they could work something out where I could be going to school to gain my credentials. Anyway, it wasn't until after the school year started that I got an offer, when they really knew what their class sizes were and what the needs were.
I have no idea if that's common practice or not; if it is, I imagine you've heard it already. I didn't end up taking it, I went a different direction instead. But just thought I'd share. Good luck!!
Posted by Lupus (Member # 6516) on :
uprooted, that is similar to how my sister got her teaching job. She actually only wanted a sub job on the side (she is a nurse), but after being a sub, the school asked her to work full time, so she went to nursing part time and teaching full time (though she quit when she had her daughter after this past school year was up).
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
quote:I'm currently in my second consecutive year-long teaching position, and starting this May I will be back on the hunt for something permanent. I live in a province where there is definitely a surplus of people graduating from Bachelor of Education programs each year, and the only thing that has saved me from substitute teaching as opposed to the full year gigs is that I happen to be in the one board that's growing somewhat.
Neo, if you don't mind me asking, where are you teaching? I'm heading off to teacher's college in September in Ontario with the full knowledge that there are too many people going to graduate here. I hope that I will be able to go overseas/
Posted by Paul Goldner (Member # 1910) on :
Belle- You'll land something. At this time of year, a lot of districts really don't know what positions they need to hire to fill. In MA, the budgeting process for the next school year usually finishes around mid may, and teachers usually don't have to tell their employers if they are leaving til april 30. So right now, its all guessing for hiring teachers. I landed a position this week for next fall, but that was because the district had two retiring physics teachers, and they knew they were retiring since december. But even so... its now almost 4 months since the position was posted, and they JUST hired me.
Be patient, keep sending resumes, you'll get a job eventually.
Posted by scholarette (Member # 11540) on :
My husband heard back from a company today- they completed the background and drug checks and everything looks good. He now has a start date and there is nothing else they are waiting on!!!!! And it makes enough that as long as the little one isn't in daycare, we can pay all our bills on one income. He'll be doing safety stuff for a company that contracts for NASA- so rocket scientist jokes will apply to him. Such a huge relief! Now I can relax and be picky about what I want to do.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
Yay! That's wonderful!
As for me...nothing major is new. One school district called me back to say they filled the computer applications position, but are interested in me for English and will pass my resume on to the director of personnel.
The other district has kept in touch to keep saying "We want to hire you, but nothing is posted yet...be patient." So, if there is something in that district I think I'll have a shot at it at least.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
quote:Originally posted by scholarette: My husband heard back from a company today- they completed the background and drug checks and everything looks good. He now has a start date and there is nothing else they are waiting on!!!!! And it makes enough that as long as the little one isn't in daycare, we can pay all our bills on one income. He'll be doing safety stuff for a company that contracts for NASA- so rocket scientist jokes will apply to him. Such a huge relief! Now I can relax and be picky about what I want to do.
If you don't mind me asking, where do you guys live?
Posted by scholarette (Member # 11540) on :
Houston area. If you know the area, Pearland. We drive by the giant pres heads everyday. We are talking about maybe in a year moving over to Friendswood, but that is still up in the air.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
scholarette: Didn't see this until today but my most sincere congratulations! Posted by LargeTuna (Member # 10512) on :
I'm a teen trying to get a summer job. since most of the places around me that usually hire highschoolers over the summer are firing and not hiring it's been really tough for me too! but since i am just a kid I guess nothing really bad will happen if I don't end up getting a job except my parents are really really really mad at me. Ive applied at about 6 places so far(camps and supermarkets and stuff) and have had only one second interview. Stupid economy.
Good luck to everyone else Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
Large Tuna, keep trying. Persistence is important.
I have had great success by networking...talk to people and find out who they know and where things are open and use those connections.
Keep looking and be patient. Good luck!
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
Got another email today. There is a position at a high school available next year, and the person at the board forwarded my resume to the principal.
Bad news...not one of the high schools I would have chosen. Pretty far away...and I don't want to drive that far. But, I guess good news that she is still thinking of me.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
Okay, great news...there is an opening at the school where I am currently student teaching! Yay!
I am going to talk to the principal about it ASAP.
Posted by scholarette (Member # 11540) on :
Ooh- good luck!
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
Best of luck, you've probably already spoken with the principal, but just in case, good interview!
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
Principal was out of town today...so I'll talk to her on Monday. If she can't see me Monday (my last day at the school) I'll ask her to set up a time on another day and I'll just make another trip.
Posted by Sala (Member # 8980) on :
Oh, best of luck and wishes and all of that! I'm a fourth grade teacher and as it turns out where I am there are practically no openings coming up anywhere. I really hope you are able to get a job soon so the worry will be off of your mind. I remember when I graduated from college in 1983 (ooo, was it REALLY that long ago!) and we were in a little recession. I didn't get my first teaching job until a year later. I hope that your experience is much, much, much better than that!
Posted by Sala (Member # 8980) on :
And an opening in the school where you student teach . . . that's one of the best ways to get a job. Hopefully the principal has already seen you and your cooperating teacher can say some really good things about you.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
My CT has said wonderful things about me and written me a glowing reference letter. I also have a big fan at the board...and some friends in administrative positions at other schools in the same system. So...I have a shot, I think.
I'm hoping! It's very close to home and a wonderful system that is committed to using technology in the classroom, which I love.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Good luck, Belle!
Posted by KetchupPrinceConsort (Member # 8047) on :
I got laid off the last day of tax season. I'm beginning to apply places. There's a firm that looks perfect for me, I'm perfectly qualified, it's the right commute, etc. I'd appreciate you all looking over the cover letter for me. It's a very prestigious firm and I'm hoping to stand out as professional and matching their image.
Here are the job parameters from the posting:
quote:Tax Accountant with 1-3 Years Experience
Well established (over 40 years), highly reputable C.P.A. firm is looking for a “SuperStar” to help with the firm’s expansion. We only hire the best. The perfect candidate has 1-3 years of tax and accounting experience, lives close to South Pasadena and will do what it takes to grow our expanding practice.
If you are looking for a challenging and rewarding job that allows you to work with a great group of professionals taking pride in delivering excellent services to some very interesting clients you have found your place!
Qualifications: • 1-3 years experience in tax preparation • Experience with Excel, QuickBooks and Computerized Tax Preparation • “Advanced” oral and written communication skills • Extremely reliable, detailed oriented, personable, and friendly
Please email resume to <snip> or fax to <snip>.
In addition to your qualifications, include in your resume or cover letter: 1) The number of individual income tax returns you worked on during 2008 2) School name, year graduated and GPA. 3) Number of words per minute you can type.
Here's what I've written:
quote: Dear Sir or Madam,
I am writing in response to your job posting for a Tax Accountant. My name is Jeff Lastname and I am an Enrolled Agent. I have 3 years of experience in tax preparation and experience with Excel, Quickbooks, and Lacerte. I type approximately 37 words per minute. I graduated from Colorado Technical University in 2007 with a degree of Bachelor of Science in Accounting. At Colorado Technical University, my GPA was 3.41.
My last position was with <snip> in <snip>. While with <snip>, in 2008 I completed over 1000 returns including individual, corporate, partnership, estate, and non-profit returns. The majority of returns I worked on were individual returns. In the 2009 tax season alone, I completed over 800 returns.
Attached for your review are my resume and a letter of recommendation from my last employer. If I can provide you any additional information on my background, please let me know.
Thank you for your consideration. I look forward to hearing from you.
Sincerely,
Jeff Lastname
What do you think? Any changes you would recommend?
Posted by scifibum (Member # 7625) on :
I'm certainly not an expert on these matters, but I think I'd add something in the first paragraph or two that shows you know something about their company and are specifically interested in working THERE. You mentioned all the skills and experience points they requested, but it still has a very slightly generic feel to it, in my opinion.
(If I had a large stack of C.V. that I couldn't hope to vet thoroughly, I'd gravitate to the candidates that showed the most evidence of specific interest in my posting.)
Posted by Jhai (Member # 5633) on :
That is not at all the sort of cover letter I would write for a position in my field (data/business analyst), frankly. Expectations of cover letters do vary industry to industry, but to my eyes yours looks far more like what a resume ought to be than what a cover letter ought to be. Really, everything except the bit about the letter of recommendation should already be in your resume, right?
Cover letters should go beyond that to show why (as scifibum says) you're particularly suited for working at their company. When I'm writing a cover letter, I go through a job's list of requirements and make sure I've said why I fit every one of them. So, in your case, perhaps some text describing how your previous work experience has given you the communication skills and right attitude (reliable, friendly, etc) for the job. It's also very good to show that you've done some research about the specific company and position you'd be filling, to show that you aren't just sending them a form cover letter.
Remember that your ultimate goal (edit: at this stage) is an interview. Your cover letter should motivate HR to read your resume, and together your resume & cover letter should motivate HR to invite you over for an interview.
If you want, I have a few sample cover letters I could send you. They're for analyst & product management positions, though.
Posted by Sala (Member # 8980) on :
Here's my version of your letter. Since they are so informal in their advertisement (super-star), I thought I'd join in with their theme. Take this for what it's worth. Things in brackets are things to consider, or alternate suggestions. I really don't know anything about your line of work, so I may have gone in the wrong direction on some of this.
***** Dear Sir or Madam,
I am writing in response to your job posting for a “Super Star” Tax Accountant. I am ready to put my experience and skills toward helping your firm grow your expanding practice.
As an Enrolled Agent with three years of experience in tax preparation, in my last position with <snip> in <snip> I completed over 1800 during the past two years. These returns included individual, corporate, partnership, estate, and non-profit returns, while the majority of the returns were for individuals. [Can you make a statement here about the amount of money you brought in to your previous firm, or additional clients you added to them, or something like that?]
I am highly skilled and detail oriented with Excel, Quickbooks, and Lacerte. I type approximately 37 words per minute. I pride myself on my ability to use Excel [Quickbooks/Lacerte] in a proficient manner to quickly and correctly complete the returns [ or accomplish the task at hand].
I graduated from Colorado Technical University in 2007 with a Bachelor of Science in Accounting degree, with a 3.41 GPA. I was very successful in my technical writing and English courses, which demonstrates advanced communication skills.
“Extremely reliable” would be an excellent description of me as I am always on time, both in being at work and in completing the returns for my clients. Co-workers would describe me as personable and friendly. One example of this would be the daily crock-pot meals that I organized to provide a good nutritious and always-ready meal to my co-workers during the busy tax season which just ended.
Attached for your review are my resume and a letter of recommendation from my previous employer. I will be happy to provide any other information that you may need.
I am very excited at the possibility of working with such a highly reputable firm as <snip>. I am ready to be the Super-Star you are looking for! Thank you for your consideration. I look forward to hearing from you.
Sincerely,
Jeff Lastname
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:I am ready to put my experience and skills toward helping your firm grow your expanding practice.
I may be the only one, but I hate the use of grow as a transitive verb unless you are growing plants. Why not say.
"I'm ready to put my experience and skills toward helping your firm expand its growing practice."
Posted by Sala (Member # 8980) on :
Yeah, Rabbit, your sentence is way better! I was trying to pull in the adverts wording.
Posted by KetchupPrinceConsort (Member # 8047) on :
Thanks for all the help! I did pull things out of the cover letter to include in my resume and I am working on making it more specific to the job. Thanks for the advice on what to include in the cover letter, I have not written many before. Hopefully, all will go well and I will get an interview with them.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
The second cover letter is much, much better.
I would not, repeat NOT put your typing words per minute in your cover letter. Put it in your resume, under "skills" or something and BURY it. The reason why I say this is that your typing speed is really low, and I would not advertise it. In your cover letter you want to put things that make you look good, and 37 wpm is not something that makes you shine.
In fact, have you tested that recently? It might be higher than you think. Or, have you tested your 10-key skills? That would be extremely important for someone in accounting, and if that is really high may make up some for the low typing speed.
I agree with Sala, that since their tone was so informal, you should match it some.
quote: I was very successful in my technical writing and English courses, which demonstrates advanced communication skills.
Don't like this one so much, mainly because telling them it demonstrates advanced communication skills seems redundant and the fact that you have such a high GPA means automatically that you did well in your English and technical writing courses. Do mention that you have excellent communication skills though, because that is important. I just didn't like the way it is worded.
Posted by LargeTuna (Member # 10512) on :
WOOT I got a camp councelor job at the JCC! it's practically slave labor because i think i get less than 2 dollars an hour, but I got a job and my parents are'nt mad at me! Thaks for the support everyone Posted by DDDaysh (Member # 9499) on :
I am, luckily, not job searching right now, but I wanted to offer words of encouragement. I had been looking for over a year and a half before I finally found my current job last October. I know how frustrating it can be.
Just remember, the more you get yourself out there, the more likely you are to be hired. Also, don't be afraid or ashamed to trade on any connections you may have! I got my current job partially because I had a good resume and decent qualifications for the job, but mostly because my mother was teaching with a woman who's husband is a manager in my company, and he remembered me as a smart little kid from when he was in high school. It was a little annoying in some ways, but I really love the job, so I don't care much how I got it!
Good luck to all of you. Keep looking and be persistent. Remember, all job searches will eventually come to an end.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
Maybe patience has paid off! I opened the state website today (where all teaching positions must be posted) and the system that has been urging me to be patient, I was their top choice, just wait until things get posted...finally posted positions! And there are THREE, count 'em THREE positions at a high school less than 15 minutes down the road from me!
Now that they're posted, the principal can interview. I contacted the person at the board, who said she would recommend me, and asked her if I needed to contact the principal again. I sent him a letter and resume when I first interviewed with the system, but he did not respond. I asked her if she thought I should send stuff again. But, I probably will no matter what she says.
Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
Always helps to remind potential employers that you're still interested, and persistent. They tend to figure that your persistence in seeking a specific job will be matched by equal follow-thru while working.
Congrats on your graduation. Remind your husband that you are now a bachelor, and expect some romantic dates.
Now that you're gonna hafta take post-grad courses, have you considered taking your masters in math or the sciences. After all, your husband is well qualified to help you with the subjects; the most difficult aspect of the sciences is math anyways. There is an extreme shortage of those qualified to teach those subjects; and automaticly higher pay scales commensurate with that shortage from day one.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
I have thought about becoming dually-certified in both middle-school math and English. I feel confident I can master the middle school curriculum, up through Algebra I, but I'm not so sure that is the route I want to go. I originally considered it because I wanted to teach in some of the poverty-stricken, rural schools in our county and they often need teachers who can teach multiple subjects. At any rate, I can add a second are of certification merely by passing the Praxis II in that area so all I would have to do is study up for the test.
Now, however, I'm considering other possible career paths..I don't know if I want to get my MA in English so I can teach AP courses, dual-enrollment courses, and moonlight at the junior college, or if I want to get my MLIS and open up the possibility of being a media specialist, or focus on a master's in reading and open up the possibility of being a middle-school reading coach, or get my master's in school counseling and go into guidance. In other words, I still have no idea what I want to do beyond teach (if anything), so I think the best thing for me is to focus on just being the best teacher I can be and decide later what career path I want to take beyond the classroom if I even ever decide to leave the classroom.
Posted by Tstorm (Member # 1871) on :
quote:... so I think the best thing for me is to focus on just being the best teacher I can be and decide later what career path I want to take beyond the classroom if I even ever decide to leave the classroom.
And the cool thing is...life may take you on an enjoyable, interesting career path that you never formally decide on. Yes, this is the unpredictable nature of public education.
(I'd advise waiting on any junior college relationships until AFTER you get a masters degree. In my experience (Kansas), colleges don't pay didly-squat for bachelor-degree adjuncts. But, of course, they're happy to recruit them so they can make more money.)
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
A principal contacted me and wants to interview me! At one of my top choice high schools! This will be my first chance in front of a principal!
We haven't set up the time yet, she emailed me and asked me to call her to set the time up and when I called I got her voice mail. But, I'm so excited I can't sit still!
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
Okay, interview tomorrow 2:00 pm. Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Knock 'em dead!
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
Best of fortunes!
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
I've spent all morning getting paperwork together. In addition to the interview, I also have to deliver some letters of reference to a different board of ed. So, I've been copying and sorting and am about to get ready to leave the house. Wish me luck!
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Luck, and lots of it!
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
Well, that went.....great!
She has to interview two other people - both of which were coming in this afternoon after me, and so I could possibly know something as early as tomorrow. More likely it will be next week or later, but still.
We talked about various aspects of classroom management, pedagogy and the type of commitments she expects from her teachers.
I'm very excited. I've interviewed enough to know when one goes well, and this one went well, I think. Unless I completely misread her. It would be 9th grade, which is world literature and the curriculum guide includes my favorite book of all time - To Kill a Mockingbird. Romeo and Juliet, and the Odyssey are also on the curriulum. I would not have to teach any electives, so I would only have one class to prep for.
On an added note, I stopped by a board of ed for another school system to drop off my completed application (I had been waiting for letters of recommendation). I chatted with one of the people there (whom I have an existing relationship with) and told her I had to leave to go to an interview and she said "Don't go interview with them! We're trying to hire you!" This is the system that asked for my references and proof of all my test scores, so they are definitely interested too. So, if this 9th grade position doesn't work out, maybe I will have a shot with this other school system!
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
Well, it looks like it will become necessary for me to frequent this particular thread in the very near future.
I hate budget cuts.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
A new job opened up today at a high school close to home and one of my top five places I'd like to work. I've applied for it officially but have to send a letter of interest - which I will do tomorrow. Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Bando, I'm sorry. That sucks.
Belle, good luck!
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
So sorry Bando! That is terrible. I hope you find something quick.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
Delivered a resume to a county school board and she told me to apply in August to be a long-term sub if I didn't find anything before then. She said there was a great need for certified subs and that it would be a good way to get my foot in the door.
I hope I don't have to resort to that, but it is at least a fall-back. No news from the interview the other day, but then I didn't really expect anything so soon. Waiting is so hard!
Posted by neo-dragon (Member # 7168) on :
Just out of curiosity, other than the obvious and non-trivial fact that it's not permanent, how does long-term subbing differ from a contract position in your neck of the woods? ie. pay? responsibilities? benefits?
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
A long-term sub usually fills in for someone on maternity leave, or medical leave or personal leave. For the first two weeks you make the daily rate of a normal sub. For weeks three until the end of your assignment you make the same daily rate as a teacher under contract. Only certified teachers can work as long-term subs.
So, it usually works out to be two weeks sub pay, and about four weeks at the same pay as if you were working, but you do not have a contract. You can be let go at any time. As for responsibilities, you are the teacher in that class, so all the responsibilities that go along with that. There are no benefits involved, as you are just a temporary employee.
[ May 15, 2009, 05:42 PM: Message edited by: Belle ]
Posted by neo-dragon (Member # 7168) on :
And the duration for say a mat leave is typically how long?
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
Usually six weeks. That is the most common reason districts need long-term subs, is maternity leave. I know of one teacher that is taking nine weeks leave for the birth of her child, though. So, it is possible you could work longer.
I really don't want to long-term sub, as the money is not so good the first two weeks, and the position is temporary, but if you can line up several long term sub positions you can make decent money. Some school systems will employ a "permanent sub" where you do get a contract and get paid as a teacher, but your job is to travel around and fill in for long term openings as needed. If you don't have a long-term position, you will work as a sub day-to-day.
Posted by neo-dragon (Member # 7168) on :
Weeks?! That's what you people get for maternity leave? Teachers usually take a full year here...
Posted by Sala (Member # 8980) on :
We've had many, many long-term subs get hired when the teacher of record ended up not coming back for various reasons, or another teacher leaves or loses her position. Good luck, Belle. Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
Very sorry to hear that Bando. Hope you find something better or at least as good as your former job.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
Neo-dragon, you are certainly entitled to take more time under the Family Medical Leave act and many schools have policies that allow up to a full year's leave of absence for tenured employees. But, that time is generally unpaid. Most people can't afford to take off a year without receiving a salary.
Posted by neo-dragon (Member # 7168) on :
I should mention that I'm officially job hunting as well. My second consecutive year-long teaching gig comes to an end when the school year finishes in June, so I'm back on the hunt for something permanent starting in September. I really hope I land something...
Edit: Ah, I see.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
I have still heard nothing from my interview last week. I'm taking that to mean it is bad news and I didn't get the position.
Today I put in another letter of interest at the same school I did last week because they posted another position - computer teacher. Everywhere I go to apply, they are very impressed by my technology skills and by my background as a corporate trainer teaching people to use computer applications.
So, I'm hoping that I will have a chance to get an interview for at least one of those places. The bad news is they will not even begin interviews until the closing date of the posting - which is next week. So, I am back playing the waiting game.
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: Very sorry to hear that Bando. Hope you find something better or at least as good as your former job.
I really like my current job, so the best outcome, as far as I'm concerned, would be for the financial outlook for our state and district to improve so that they can reinstate positions.
Our school district jumped the gun compared to other districts in the state, initiating layoff notices before the May state budget forecast came out. My district built the budget and layoff model on a projected state budget of 5.4B for education. Three days later, the state comes out and says that they expect to be able to budget 6.0B on K-12 education throughout the state. That's enough to reinstate 70 of the 101 positions that were layed off last week.
Still, our superintendent is looking at the numbers from the state and saying that just because the state SAYS they will fund 6B for the next biennium, it doesn't mean that it will turn out that way. Particularly since our state's budget relies almost exclusively on income tax and lottery proceeds. Grrrrr.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
Oh man, Bando that's terrible. I hope they do reinstate you, though.
Fifty more jobs were posted today, but most of them are too far away for me to drive. I really don't want to drive more than 40 miles one way, not with gas the price it is. So, I'm debating whether or not to even apply for these jobs. An 80 mile round trip is better than no job at all...but I really am hoping one of the places I applied at closer to home will come through. ARGH!!! Frustration.
Posted by Tstorm (Member # 1871) on :
quote:looking at the numbers from the state and saying that just because the state SAYS they will fund 6B for the next biennium, it doesn't mean that it will turn out that way
This is true. Kansas still doesn't know what the exact budget will be for next year.
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
I got a job, didn't even have to interview, in fact I got to interview them! Of course it's working for some of the professors here at UT but still... Actually that's even better for me in the short run since it will hopefully turn into a research assistantship which will pay for the rest of my schooling on top of a stipend. Yay!
I'm doing testing on the fatigue performance of certain connections for a steel girder bridge. It starts this Tuesday!
Hobbes Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
That's great, Hobbes. Good luck turning it into the assistantship!
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
Thanks Rivka! The timing is just right, it would probably go through August (of next year) and I'll be done with the necessary course work by May. I wouldn't mind hanging around for one more semester like most RAs would have me do, as there are some pretty interesting classes, but this could work out just perfectly!
Hobbes Posted by DDDaysh (Member # 9499) on :
Any other good new on the job front? I just found out that our school district isn't going to be hiring it's elementary teachers until August because the (idiotic) superintendent wants to wait until the new elementary principal officially starts in August and let HER hire the new teachers. Grrr!!!
Ok, I get the fact that he wants to let the new principal be in on the hiring decisions, but why not just "contract pay" her for the time she spends interviewing before then. No decent teachers want to be waiting until August to find out if they have a job. I shutter to think what we'll end up with...
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
Oh no! All the good candidates will already have jobs by then, most likely. That is terrible!
No news, and nothing will happen until after the holiday. The job I really, really want will not even begin interviews until after Tuesday, so I'm not expecting a call until Wednesday at the earliest. That is if I get a chance to interview...but I'm hopeful.
This principal is looking for an English teacher and a computer teacher and I applied for both. When I turned in my app for the computer education position, mine was the only one...and that was Thursday, leaving only Friday and Tuesday for others to apply. I'm hoping that even if some more people get their apps in, the number will be low enough that I get an interview.
I would take either one if he offered it, the school is in the same district as the ones my kids attend, so it would open the possibility of eventually transferring to be right here close to home. As it is, the city this school is in is also where our church is located so I already have ties to that community.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
You're so amazing, Hobbesy. Posted by erosomniac (Member # 6834) on :
That sucks, Bando. Just north of you, over 200 public school teachers were or are in the process of being laid off in the Seattle public school system. In the greater Seattle area, it's at least twice that number. It's terrifying.
In related news, if anyone's looking for very part-time work in the Seattle area, my friend is hiring for 16-20 hours a week, $13/hour + commission, customer service work. If you contact me first, I can tell you how to ace the interview and let them know you're coming, but do it soon, they already have over 200 applicants.
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
Hobbes Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
I should check this place more. I need a JOB! I worked most of last month and none of this month!
Maybe next month will be luckier.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
Oh, the ups and downs of job hunting! I found out that a teacher at the school where I did my internship has been non-renewed. I feel terrible, because she was a mother with a young child and really loved her job there. On the flip side, she's certified in the same area as me, so it means a potential opening for me to pursue. *sigh*
I feel like vulture, swooping down to poach on someone's misfortune.
On a positive note, the job that I really, really want at a local high school is still open and I found out my cooperating teacher knows the principal. I sent him an email, sending regards from her, and hope that he will call me for an interview.
Posted by neo-dragon (Member # 7168) on :
On what grounds does a teacher get "non-renewed"?
Sorry if my questions are a bit off topic for the thread sometimes, but I'm fascinated by the differences in the teaching profession in the US compared to in Canada.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
If the teacher is non-tenured, it can be anything from poor job performance to the principal doesn't like the way you wear your hair. Seriously, a non-tenured teacher can be non-renewed at the end of the contract period for any reason. They don't even have to disclose the reason (and often don't.)
People are often non-renewed for budget reasons, especially right now. If there is a reduction in enrollment, they will let teachers go because they no longer need the unit. In short...there are tons of reasons why someone may be let go and often the teacher doesn't even know why.
Posted by neo-dragon (Member # 7168) on :
Yikes. Here's hoping that you not only get a job, but get tenured as soon as possible.
Posted by Sala (Member # 8980) on :
Unfortunately, I've known many people who were non-renewed, and for three years I had the "opportunity" to sit in on some discussions by the leadership of the school about whether someone should be renewed or not. Some of the things that would be said included . . . shirt was too tight and neckline too low and skirts too short (despite repeated directions from admins to change wardrobe) . . . too critical and harsh sounding . . . too deadpan (not enough variation in tone and affect) . . . too subversive (lots of natter, natter, natter in the teacher's room) . . . acting too young . . . . Rarely were the abilities to teach and the growth of students stated. I've moved on since then, but I'm sure these attitudes are reflected in more than just the one place I was in.
Posted by airmanfour (Member # 6111) on :
I'm unofficially job hunting, too. My contract expires in a couple of months, and, following that, I will be entering the private sector.
If anyone here happens to be a defense contracting executive, I'd like to chat. My resume should be cleared in about two weeks.
Good luck, Teachers!
Posted by Coccinelle (Member # 5832) on :
I've been half-heartedly job hunting as I'm finishing my PhD this fall.
My current boss has asked me to apply for a manager position in the department where I'm working. I'm crossing my fingers in hopes that it works out and I don't need to hunt!
If anyone is able/interested in giving an ABD doc student in Family Studies applying for a manager position in Instructional/Technical Support any resume tips, I would certainly appreciate it Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
Resume tips are to always emphasize the qualities you think the person hiring is looking for. I have two resumes right now - one for applications for English teaching positions, and one for computer education teaching positions. The same information is on both, but there are slight differences. For the English one I highlight my education and student teaching experience. For the computer one I highlight my past experience as a database programmer and web design experience.
In both resumes, the first thing you see is that I am certified and highly qualified, because principals need to know that up front - it's the most important piece of information.
Ask yourself what the person interviewing needs to know and in what order does he/she need to know it and lay out your resume accordingly.
As for me, I applied for a new position today - a true, new position. Due to some changes in the state requirements, the county vo/tech center needs to add an academic teaching position for a person certified in English. I applied for it - even if I'm not sure what I'll be teaching. The kids who attend our county vo/tech center take their core courses at their home high schools and only attend the vo/tech center for half a day. So, I'm confused as to why they need an English teacher there. Maybe to teach occupational/business English? The person at the board who accepted my application didn't know.
At any rate, it's an English position in my home county so I applied for it.
Posted by KetchupPrinceConsort (Member # 8047) on :
In the last two weeks I have applied to eight companies, had four interviews, three second interviews, and today I got my first job offer.
It's only a 30 minute-ish commute, my starting salary would be 20,000 more a year than my base salary at my last job (well, with bonuses around the same as I made last year-- but it's hourly so if I work overtime I will get time and a half), and they are willing to pay for my CE to maintain my EA license. It's a tax resolution firm (negotiating with the IRS and other agencies, something I'm good at and enjoy doing.) I like the atmosphere and the hours-- it's 8-5 so I would get home pretty early, and during tax season still have time for tax preparation on the side (independently or as a contractor for someone else, like one of the small firms that expressed interest in part-time help during tax season.)
And, I wouldn't even have to wear a tie!
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
That's great, KPC! Congratulations!
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
Yay!
Posted by neo-dragon (Member # 7168) on :
Hypothetically speaking, what does it mean if a principal calls and leaves you a message on Friday evening, says that he'd like to interview you, mentions Monday as a date (no time) and the number he leaves you to call back is the school's number, where if you leave a message he won't hear it until Monday?
Posted by Eaquae Legit (Member # 3063) on :
Through some very unfortunate circumstances, I have to quit my job. This bums me out, because I like it a lot for a part-time gig, and because I'm terribly nervous about getting another job.
So today I submitted an application to a posh private girls' school. I do not have an education degree, but I've got a lot of class and teaching time clocked, so I'm hoping that persuades them to give me an interview. Which, most likely, I won't be able to go to since I am in the wrong country. But it can't hurt to try, right? It's a 1-year contract internship, and it would be so amazing to have a consistent schedule instead of the variable supply-work one that is my other likely option.
Darnit, I did not want this, I wanted to stay where I am with my nice secure employment.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
neo-dragon, it means you either call first thing Monday and confirm the time, or (and this is what I would do) you show up Monday morning and present yourself in person and say "I was told to come for an interview but there was no time mentioned."
Posted by neo-dragon (Member # 7168) on :
I think It'll be best to go with the former, especially since I have my current job to be at on Monday morning. I did in fact call the school and leave a message saying that I would call back Monday morning.
To clarify, he didn't actually say that he wanted to interview me on Monday. It was more like he wants to interview me, and he wants to start doing interviews on Monday. It's kind of what I inferred from what he said and how he said it. Plus, in my experience they usually like to get these things out of the way in one day and be done with it.
Posted by Sala (Member # 8980) on :
If you show up on Monday morning, he'll probably take you right then to interview you, unless a parent or other pressing issue comes up. Unless he uses an interview team and hasn't gotten together with them yet to discuss interview techniques or questions to ask. If you call, early Monday morning, you'll probably get to pick a time more convenient. Good luck with it, either way! I wish you the best.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
I'm so depressed. One school system I had high hopes for, where I had a preliminary interview and where the assistant principal interviewing me said he "strongly encouraged" me to apply has filled all their openings and didn't even bother calling me for an interview.
I've had one interview, and nothing came of it. Nobody else will even give me the chance to interview. I check the boards of ed and they are constantly taking down their opportunities, or sending me emails saying "The job has been filled" and I don't even get an interview before I'm rejected.
I'm beginning to think I will not get a position after all. Posted by scholarette (Member # 11540) on :
You still have several months before the new school year though. There's still plenty of time!
Posted by neo-dragon (Member # 7168) on :
quote:Originally posted by Belle: I'm so depressed. One school system I had high hopes for, where I had a preliminary interview and where the assistant principal interviewing me said he "strongly encouraged" me to apply has filled all their openings and didn't even bother calling me for an interview.
I've had one interview, and nothing came of it. Nobody else will even give me the chance to interview. I check the boards of ed and they are constantly taking down their opportunities, or sending me emails saying "The job has been filled" and I don't even get an interview before I'm rejected.
I'm beginning to think I will not get a position after all.
Belle, take it from someone who has been (hell, is) in exactly the same situation; these are still the early days. If your neck of the woods is anything like mine a few lucky people get jobs in May or June, a LOT more get them around August. I think I've mentioned before that I've held two year-long positions, the first of which I landed in the last week of August, and my current one in September. I know that knowing this doesn't change the way it feels when you see an opportunity pass you by. In fact, I got a nice taste of that feeling just today...
An update on this situation from Friday:
quote:Hypothetically speaking, what does it mean if a principal calls and leaves you a message on Friday evening, says that he'd like to interview you, mentions Monday as a date (no time) and the number he leaves you to call back is the school's number, where if you leave a message he won't hear it until Monday?
I called the principal first thing this morning. As I mentioned, actually showing up there wasn't an option since I still have my current job for the remainder of the school year and couldn't get coverage for my classes on such short notice. Also, they do these things in teams and in my experience getting 3 school administrators to all take 30 minutes out of their busy schedules without an appointment requires the kind of crisis that SWAT teams are called for. So I called, introduced myself, and asked about scheduling an interview. He rattles off the times he has available which all happen to be in the early afternoon. I explain that I can't get coverage for my classes on such short notice and politely ask if we can do it after school. He politely says no. He goes on to say that he will contact me if he is still interested in interviewing me AFTER he interviews all the other candidates... I know that unless it's a poor crop of candidates he has no reason to bother. No calls for me all day. Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Ugh. In both cases. Posted by Sala (Member # 8980) on :
I hope things change soon for both of you. Sooner rather than later. And for the better.
Posted by Tstorm (Member # 1871) on :
Cheer up, it could be much worse. Keep your hopes up, be positive, and keep working for it.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
Finally some good news! I have an interview tomorrow morning (Tuesday) at 9:00 am. The same system where the curriculum supervisor at the board interviewed me and said she wanted to find me a position...I give her credit, she continually sends my resume out to principals and now another one wants an interview.
Funny thing, this is at the middle school that is located right next to the high school where I already interviewed and was not offered a position. I an actuality, this will be preferable to me - I LIKE middle school. So, here's hoping the principal likes me!
Posted by Tstorm (Member # 1871) on :
Good vibes... Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
I have an initial phone conversation with a company in Rockville, MD tomorrow Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
Good luck fugu!
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Lots of luck, Belle & fugu!
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
Good luck fugu and Belle!
I have some good news of my own. I have a job interview at a new school opening in the town in which my wife and I bought a house. It would be an exciting challenge to build a middle school band program from scratch, essentially. It would also be great to live 5 minutes from work!!
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Good luck to you! That does sound perfect. Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
Good luck!
My interview went well but not all that great because the principal was called away due to an emergency. I interviewed instead with the assistant principal. This was disappointing, because if the principal interviews the other candidates, he is probably more likely to hire someone he interviewed himself.
The interview went well...I think I answered all his questions and he said there is a big push to integrate technology into the classroom in a variety of ways (moving beyond the "put the lecture notes on PowerPoint" philosophy) and that is something that I also agree with.
It is upsetting that I didn't get to see the principal however. I'm really scared that I won't get a chance at the job because I didn't get to see him.
Posted by Sala (Member # 8980) on :
Oh, I hope it all goes well for each of you. Belle, maybe you can call the principal and talk to him over the phone at least since you couldn't talk in person. That might help.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
He contacted me at first through email, so this afternoon when I got home I sent him (the principal) an email explaining that I was sorry I didn't get to see him but I enjoyed talking with the asst. principal and if he had any additional questions or needed more info I would welcome a chance to do a phone interview or even come back out if need be.
It's definitely not ideal...I wish I could have talked to him. I should know something within a week.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
Okay, another interview...Monday. This is for the county career tech center...I don't even know why they want an English teacher, because they don't teach core subjects at the career tech center in my county. But, this is a job in my home county, where conceivably if I got it I could eventually transfer into my hometown school. It would be wonderful to at least get into this system.
I'm very hopeful, because the director of the center was my daughter's assistant principal back in middle school, and I remember her. I also know her husband, because he was the elementary principal a few years back. I know enough about both of them to respect them as educators and as administrators. I think she would be really great work for, so I'm really excited.
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
Sounds promising, Belle
Continuing the overlap, I'm being flown out on Monday for an interview for the job I mentioned before (though the interview is on Tuesday).
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
Good luck fugu! They wouldn't fly you out if they weren't sincerely interested. Maybe we will both hear good news soon.
Posted by neo-dragon (Member # 7168) on :
Let's hope for good news all around. There's a permanent position open at a school where I student-taught a couple of years ago, and another semester long position at the school where I am right now. I'll be throwing my hat into the running for both.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
Got a form letter today from another district, where I applied for never interviewed. It says, in so many words "thanks for applying we hired someone else." I didn't even get an interview.
I hate the up and down nature of this - one minute I'm on top of the world that I even got an interview, one I'm depressed and sad that I wasn't even deemed worthy of interviewing. I hate being rejected out of hand...without even a chance at something.
Posted by Jhai (Member # 5633) on :
fugu - will you be landing in time to meet up with us in Northern Virgina on Monday night?
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
That is an excellent question. My plane arrives at 4:50 at BWI, then I'll have a chartered shuttle to a hotel in Rockville. When and where are people meeting, and how would make sense to get there (if anyone knows)?
edit: from the other thread it looks like I could probably arrive while people are still eating, provided my plane isn't delayed (I'll only have a carry-on, so no luggage pickup). Figure about an hour to hotel + checkin, followed by getting to the nearby metro (shady grove, about a mile away), followed by about an hour transit, looks like. That would put me there about 7:30, perhaps.
Posted by Jhai (Member # 5633) on :
I can save some bastilla for you, if you like. :-)
Posted by neo-dragon (Member # 7168) on :
quote:Originally posted by Belle: I hate being rejected out of hand...without even a chance at something.
You think just not getting an interview is bad? My school board allows (and in most cases requires) the entire application process to take place online. The thing about that is that once you've submitted your application you can view its status. In particular, it tells you if the principal has viewed your application and if the position has been filled or not. On several occasions I've eagerly checked the status of an application day after day only to keep seeing that the principal still hadn't ever looked at my resume, and still hadn't done so when the position is finally listed as filled. How frustrating is that? I could have the most impressive resume in the universe but how can I even get an interview when the principle doesn't even give it a token glance? The rationale is simply that for a given position there may be over 100 applicants and the principal doesn't have time to review every one (never mind that it's part of his/her job, or that he/she could at least delegate it to vice-principals). And yet, secretaries have given me strange looks when I drop off a resume in person in addition to applying online. Can you blame me?
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
I always apply in person - I've been taking my letters of interest in person to the school board for this county...and it didn't work. So, when the job for the tech center was posted, I sent a letter to the principal directly telling her about my background and stating that I thought I would be an asset to a career tech center given my prior work in corporate communications, training, and database management.
That seems to have gotten me an interview at least...we'll see how it goes on Monday.
The form letter today really hurt though...this system contacted me and asked for my letters of reference, and a bunch of other paperwork which I busted my behind getting together for them and delivered in person to the board only to have them not call for an interview. I really thought that if they were to the point of checking references they wanted to at least talk to me. Alas, no.
Your situation does sound worse, I must admit. Having something filled when they never even looked at your resume...it must be tough. Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
Okay, so I'm going to the interview in about 30 minutes. I am extremely nervous because I cannot prepare for this interview at all - I have no idea what they want me to teach.
Usually, before I interview I review the course of study and curriculum guides for the grades at the school where I'm applying. That way, if I get asked a curriculum question, I can answer it intelligently. In this case I haven't a clue. The school is a career/tech center. But, students only go there part-time, for their career/technical courses. They take all core courses at their home high schools, including English.
They do teach some business English type courses, like corporate communications, but they already have a business teacher there, and I'm not certified to teach all the business courses, like the ones in finance and marketing.
At any rate, I am confused and anxious but excited to at least find out what it is this principal wants or needs and why she requested someone certified in English.
Posted by Alcon (Member # 6645) on :
Yeah, I've had similar experiences to neo-dragons - only applying for programming jobs. I've sent out several applications which never got looked at. I've got more stuff on my resume now - I landed a temp job for the summer that I'm at now. It ends in August though, so I'm back to searching. I'm hoping to end up in the Bay area. There are so many tech companies in that area, I've gotta be able to land a job at one of them...
Belle, good luck at the Tech Center interview!
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
Oh my goodness, I want this job! The tech center employs two academic teachers - one certified in math and one in English. The two work together in a computer lab, where students do all their learning through self-paced computer programs. The program is there to serve students who through scheduling conflicts can't take their core courses at their home schools, and also for students who are more than a year behind and at risk of dropping out. The program is their last chance to catch up and graduate.
I have worked with a similar program in a summer school remediation situation, so I'm familiar with the concept and how it works. There would be no lesson planning, no real prep work - all the lessons are on the computer. My job would be monitoring progress and working one-on-one with students who have problems. Since we teach all four core subjects, I would work with more than just English. Usually, the math teacher said he handled math and science and I would take English and history, though technically both of us "teach" all four subjects.
I am very excited, I really want the job. My experience in the summer school situation is a plus for me, because I've participated in that environment. My technical skills are also a boon. They seemed to like me and said they would let me know something by the end of the week.
I'm really, really praying this will be the one!
Posted by Alcon (Member # 6645) on :
That sounds like a really good gig! Good luck! *sends lots of good vibes*
Posted by Sala (Member # 8980) on :
Oooh, I'll hope and pray for you, Belle! It sounds wonderful for you. I hope you'll hear positive things soon from them!
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
Well, I had an interview this morning for that local job. It's going to be some tough competition, what with all of the other laid-off band teachers and the current scarcity of available jobs. Here's hoping!
I think I presented myself well; now it's a matter of the selection committee determining whether they think I'm a good fit for the new program.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
Good luck Bando! I hope it works out for you. Tough competition or no, if you made the right impression you'll get it.
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
Still no word on the job interview from yesterday. However, our school district handed out recall letters to about half of the teachers who were laid off. I did not receive one, so that was disappointing.
To make things worse, instead of being bumped by another band director (who would actually have been qualified to take over for me), I'm getting bumped by an elementary music teacher. The truly unfortunate thing is that about 1/3 of my students had her in elementary school and DON'T want to have her again. This may decimate the program here.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
I'm so sorry Bando.
It's been a week since the interview that said they'd let me know within a week so I'm guessing I didn't get that position either.
No word from the tech center today. That is also frustrating. I'm thinking of emailing the principal with copies of my reference letters....because she mentioned wanting to check references.
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
Well, I didn't get the job. It went to a friend of mine (all of us band directors know each other), which is cool, although in the interests of honesty I have to express my disappointment that I didn't get the job.
On to the next application!
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
Oh man, I'm sorry. Hey, I'm impressed they actually let you know! I've interviewed three times and not heard anything back from any of them. I pretty much just have to guess that I didn't get it when it's past the time they said they'd notify me.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Belle, I;d stop by and hand deliver the references, and indicate that you still would like to hear about it ever if you don;t get the position. At this point it can't hurt, and you haven't made a pest of yourself if you haven;t checked before this.
There is a difference between pestering someone and indicating a strong desire for a job. Posted by Alcon (Member # 6645) on :
quote:Belle, I;d stop by and hand deliver the references, and indicate that you still would like to hear about it ever if you don;t get the position. At this point it can't hurt, and you haven't made a pest of yourself if you haven;t checked before this.
There is a difference between pestering someone and indicating a strong desire for a job.
*seconds the suggestion*
And hey, pestering even sometimes works. I've gotten jobs before - even ones that I probably shouldn't have - just by being aggressive and indicating that I really wanted the job.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
Too late, already emailed the references. I thought about going out there, but vetoed myself.
Even sending the references by email seemed so intrusive and pushy to me so I'm glad you guys don't think so. I also sent a thank you card the same day I interviewed, I always do that.
So, she will have heard from me three times in three days, I think that's plenty.
But, I'm so anxious. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think every day I don't hear from them my chances of having gotten the job go down substantially. I interviewed Monday, this is Wednesday (though, admitedly, early on Wednesday still) and I haven't heard so I'm beginning to think I didn't get it.
I will cry, a lot. I wanted this one, badly, and with the rejections piling up and no prospects in sight (no new jobs posted in over a week) it's looking bleak for me, I think.
It just hurts - I worked so hard for this degree and spent so much of my family's money and I really need to earn some of it back.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
*hug*
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
Thanks for the hugs. They help, really. I hate to be such the downer and depressed Nellie all the time.
And, I actually have good news. Here I was watching So You Think You Can Dance and my phone rang. I didn't recognize the number, but I answered it and it was a teacher who is on the interview committee at a local school (really close to home, not my hometown but the town next door). The position isn't even posted yet, but they got my resume from the board - where I have taken the trouble to go in person and apply every time - and they want to interview me tomorrow!
I'm so excited, because it's another chance. As long as I keep getting chances, I believe something will open up and someone will eventually say "She's the one." So, as long as the chances keep coming I'm going to stay positive. I hope. Except for when I come in here to whine.
Again, thanks for the support and hugs and just plain listening so many of my hatracker friends have given me.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by Belle: The position isn't even posted yet, but they got my resume from the board - where I have taken the trouble to go in person and apply every time - and they want to interview me tomorrow!
Yay!
Posted by Sala (Member # 8980) on :
Good luck with your interview today! That's a phone call worth taking during SYTYCD.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
Awesome, don't lose heart, just keep trucking along.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
In my inbox this morning was an email asking me to apply for a job online so I could be interviewed for it.
The downside - loooong drive from home. At least an hour, maybe more in traffic. Upside - hey, somebody wants me to apply.
I'm getting scared and desperate enough that I am willing to interview for it. At present I am getting ready for my interview by dyeing my hair. Gotta cover those stray gray hairs! LOL
Posted by Alcon (Member # 6645) on :
Keep at it Belle, eventually you'll get something. And hey, it's still less than a week since you interviewed at the Tech place. Sometimes these things can be surprising.
I've gotten offers of jobs or interviews weeks after I applied and long after I had given up on them.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
Thanks Alcon...you're right, it might be too early to give up, but the board meeting is Monday and they told me they had to give a name to the board on Monday. So, seems to me they would make a decision before that time. Then again, you're right - things can be unexpected.
The job I'm interviewing for in a couple of hours is even closer than the tech center...except for the schools in my actual hometown, this one is probably the closest school to me so I'm excited about today's interview.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
Okay, this would be a good job for me - 7th grade reading and it's less than 20 minutes from the house.
I think the interview went well - at the end, one of the teachers on the interview committee said "You did a great job with this interview" so I was excited. But, I've decided not to even begin to try and predict if someone will hire me or not.
They won't be able to let me know for two weeks at least because the job is not posted yet and has to stay open for two weeks. So...I need to just put it in the back of my mind and try to forget it.
Posted by neo-dragon (Member # 7168) on :
quote:Originally posted by neo-dragon: Let's hope for good news all around. There's a permanent position open at a school where I student-taught a couple of years ago, and another semester long position at the school where I am right now. I'll be throwing my hat into the running for both.
Update:
Oh boy, what an exciting day it's been! It's final exam time, so although I had to go in to work today, I didn't have have exams going on or other supervision responsibilities, so I was all set for a productive if boring day of quietly marking exams in my office. After a couple of hours, as I marvel at how I can never achieve this level of productivity marking at home, the phone rings and one of the vice-principals says he wants to see me. When I reach his office, he asks me if I'd be ready to be interviewed for the semester-long position in oh... 30 minutes. I unconsciously looked down at clothing, which happens to be jeans and a t-shirt. He laughs and says not to worry about it. I head back to my office and whip up a makeshift portfolio (my actual one being at home) containing copies of lesson plans/assignments that I'm proud of. I tell my colleagues about what's going on and they make jokes about needing to find me a tie and making sure I leave early in case traffic is bad. I arrive back downstairs a full 10 minutes early . The two V.P.s who are conducting the interview certainly keep things lighthearted. They make a point of having the secretary formally show me into the room (I was just in there not 30 minutes ago, and a number of times prior to that) and I play along by giving each a handshake and "introducing myself" To make a long story short, when I checked back with them at the end of the day they said that I gave a "fantastic" interview (except for my being under dressed ), and they'd let me know officially tomorrow. I was happy, to say the least. The position isn't permanent but there's a good chance that it will extend to a full year, and even a chance that it will then become permanent, as someone within the department is expected to announce his retirement. In any case, if I get it, I'll still be free to pursue other permanent jobs, but at least I'll have something for certain in September.
But that's only half of my good news: On the way home my cell phone buzzes... The school that I student-taught at which is offering a permanent position wants to interview me tomorrow. Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
Yay! neo-dragon! Good luck with both of them! Sounds like you did do a good job under stress. That has to count for something.
Posted by neo-dragon (Member # 7168) on :
Thanks! Actually, I think I learned today that interviews aren't as scary when you don't have time to stress over them. This actually changes how I will prepare for tomorrow. I think I really needed to know that I can walk into an interview without my usual scripted responses memorized and do even better! I also wish that I could do all my interviews in jeans and a t-shirt. I felt so much more at ease than when I'm in a suit and tie.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
The tech center did not call today so I assume that means it's completely off the table. *sigh* I really wanted that one.
I can't hear back from yesterday's interview for at least the two weeks it has to be posted...so I'm on to other things. Unfortunately, there are no other things to consider...no new job postings at all. Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
Belle, it has to just be a matter of time.
I'm searching now, even flying out of town for interviews, and I am astonished to realize all over again how demoralizing this process can be. It's a Catch-22: the less you have to be upbeat and positive about, the more you need to be upbeat and positive. What a viscious cycle.
Over the years, it has seemed to me that "chance favors the prepared" underlies success in times like this. It's just that the very act of preparing can make you less prepared because you stress out about it more, one way or the other.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
I think it's starting to really wear on me. Today I needed to mail out a resume to a job that I heard about yesterday, and I had a completely "Why bother?" attitude about it. I forced myself to go to the post office and put it in the mail but I was so down about it I almost became scared by my own reaction.
I don't want to end up depressed about this, but it is so very upsetting and so hard to be rejected at every turn...most of the time without even an interview. It's not as if I'm under or over qualified or anything - I have all the certifications I need. Granted, I have no real experience, but most of the people I've seen in passing during my interviews are all new graduates too. You begin to wonder then if it's something personal about you - am I too old? Too unattractive? Too whatever?
I can't really pinpoint anything in that tech center interview that was negative...I thought I hit every note right. I even had experience in an academic lab similar to the one they have using a computer self-paced learning system almost identical to the one they use. So, I thought I had a real shot.
Posted by neo-dragon (Member # 7168) on :
I think that my interview today for that permanent position went awesome! But then, I've been disappointed before. All I can do is try and maintain a cautious optimism until I find out sometime next week.
I do know one thing for sure though. I've been offered the position for next semester at my current school! I should be happier about this. I now know that no matter what I'll still be teaching fulltime come September. But I really, REALLY want a permanent contract. I've been trying to get one for 2 years now. I know some lucky bastards who landed such contracts before they even had their education degrees in their hands. But then I also know of people who have been like me (a year here, a year there, etc...) for as long as 5 years. It hardly seems fair.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
WTG neo-dragon! I am also conflicted because a long-term sub position came open near to home...but I also would prefer a permanent placement.
At any rate...I am still trying to be positive and hopeful. Now that the weekend is officially here, I can quit thinking about it for a while.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
And the weekend is over and the new week came at me with a vengeance.
My contact at the board has informed me she knows of no more openings that will be forthcoming...and given that we are about at the limit where a person can contractually inform their principals they won't be coming back, I think she's probably right. Her recommendation is to look for long-term sub jobs.
I have literally cried for an hour and a half. My head hurts. I feel completely defeated, and that I have wasted my time and my family's money for the last three years getting my degree.
Posted by neo-dragon (Member # 7168) on :
Don't give up yet, Belle. It's impossible to know what will happen between now and September. It's not necessarily a zero sum game. Again, I don't know how things work where you are, but here, actual enrollment numbers sometimes work out to be higher than what was projected, which is what leads to teacher hiring continuing right through the summer.
(sigh) I'm so tired of seeing people being beaten down by the teacher hiring process; myself included. Even if I get the job that I'm really, REALLY, hoping and praying that I did, I still have friends out there who are in the mix. Just today one such friend emailed me expressing concern over the fact that he's applied for a half dozen positions without getting a single interview. Remember that as hard as this is, it's simply the part that precedes a long, successful, and rewarding career. Good luck to us all.
Posted by Tstorm (Member # 1871) on :
It's not over till the school year begins.
And a long-term sub job wouldn't necessarily be defeat, it could be just the opening you need to finish breaking down the door. Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Oh, Belle. I'm sorry. That sucks.
quote:Originally posted by Tstorm: It's not over till the school year begins.
And a long-term sub job wouldn't necessarily be defeat, it could be just the opening you need to finish breaking down the door.
Also very true.
Posted by Sala (Member # 8980) on :
quote: It's not over till the school year begins.
It's not even over then. I already know that the three fourth grade classes where I teach will have 32 or more children, and Georgia's law says that the maximum is 28. But they won't hire a fourth teacher until they "see the whites of their eyes" for the first ten days of school. So it is very likely that on the eleventh day they will authorize the hiring of another teacher. Also, it is very likely that someone who was hired will have a change of heart once they actually get into the classroom, and bail out within the first month or two. I've seen that happen about six times. And, its very possible that a teacher becomes ill, pregnant, etc., and decides to not return, or starts back and then realizes that they shouldn't have returned, and then that position is open. So, never give up hope. And often, those long term sub positions lead to fulltime positions, especially since the admins see what a great job you're doing and its just easier to hire you on full time than to look for someone else.
Posted by Sala (Member # 8980) on :
So, in other words, don't give up, don't despair (I know, easier said than done). You have many people rooting (and praying) for you.
Posted by scholarette (Member # 11540) on :
Also, keep in mind, that your timing is not so great- which is not your fault. Hopefully, next year, things will be better and you'll have that degree still. So, it will not be a waste of money, just a delay. And things could still work out for this year.
Posted by neo-dragon (Member # 7168) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sala:
quote: It's not over till the school year begins.
It's not even over then. I already know that the three fourth grade classes where I teach will have 32 or more children, and Georgia's law says that the maximum is 28. But they won't hire a fourth teacher until they "see the whites of their eyes" for the first ten days of school.
Yes, that's exactly the kind of thing that I was talking about when I mentioned populations not matching projections and such. A lot of it is based on estimations and teachers do get hired even into the first couple of weeks of classes because any competent administration will rather err on the side of caution and start the year with possibly too few teachers knowing that they can hire more rather than have excess staff.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
Oh, you have so not wasted time at all! This isn't the end of the search.
I wish that the jobs were like you can just graduate and then get then one you want and step right in. Sometimes it is true, but sometimes it isn't. It's really frustrating, but sometimes it's like all that school just qualified you to start your apprenticeships. I know that I've been working for eight years now, and it is only the last year that I'm in a job I don't see an end to in the next yea or two. I liked the other jobs a lot, but they were always a stepping stone to something better. On the other hand, there's no way I would have gotten my present job unless I had had those earlier stepping stone jobs, even though I am working in the field for which I have a degree.
In other words, a long-term sub job isn't the ideal or the ultimate goal at all, but it can be a stepping stone job. That's frustrating, but okay.
Posted by neo-dragon (Member # 7168) on :
Well, that permanent position which I thought I had an awesome interview for is listed as "filled". I think I can go out on a limb and assume that I would have been notified if I'm the one who's filling it . Man, I really thought I nailed that one. It looks like I will be at my current school for another semester and then I can look forward to being back to square one for the 4th time in less than 3 years. Better than nothing though. At least I actually know what I'll be teaching months in advance for once.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
So sorry, neo-dragon.
I'm back in the saddle today. A position opened up about 30 miles from home and I'm sending everything. They want a lot...application, references, letter of completion...never mind that all that is online they insist on having hard copies.
At any rate...I'm still very discouraged and upset by the whole ordeal. Like neo-dragon, I have felt that I nailed every single interview. I can't point to anything I've done wrong. A friend who works at one school who rejected me said the principal moved a special education teacher over into the English slot instead of hiring me. She was one of my references, and said the principal came and asked about me and seemed very positive that she wanted to hire me...but instead moved the special educator over.
Plus, the fact that I was interviewed for one position before it even opened has me convinced now that every job that opens up is in fact, already filled and they are just posting it to fulfill the legal requirement. My friends in education this is often the case...that a principal decides who to hire long before a position actually gets posted.
Things feel hopeless. But I realize whining about it won't change that so I'm trying to suck it up and deal.
Posted by Zalmoxis (Member # 2327) on :
quote:that a principal decides who to hire long before a position actually gets posted.
This is often the case in any public or non-profit position. Don't let it get you down. You just need to get in to the system somehow -- which is why long-term (or even a series of short-term) subbing is an excellent next step and nothing to be ashamed of.
Posted by scifibum (Member # 7625) on :
"This is often the case in any public or non-profit position."
In my experience it's very common in the business world as well. HR requires documentation of a candidate selection process, but it's often just a sham.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
I just got a call for a second interview! Yay! This is the first time I've made it this far, so I am seriously excited. It's tomorrow at 10:30 am.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
That's a very, very good sign! Yay!
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
*crosses fingers*
Posted by Derrell (Member # 6062) on :
Good luck.
Posted by Sala (Member # 8980) on :
My turn. My husband has been out of work for the past six years. His work prior to that has been sporadic at best. The longest he's been in one job is three years. He started out in our married life wanting to be a writer, and he's pursued that goal for most of our marriage (nearly 29 years now). For most of our marriage he had undiagnosed depression issues which displayed as anger which led to the loss of several jobs. After a major collapse four years ago he was diagnosed and started on medication and it has made a huge difference as far as that goes, but his sporadic job history has made it very difficult to get work.
All of this to say, he got a possible job offer today! He worked for a computer company for two weeks last year . . . it was meant to be two weeks, it was a temporary assignment. The company emailed him this week and asked if he was interested in a three to six month position which could possibly move from temporary to full time. He wrote back with a resounding yes.
Now, I just hope that he will get the job. He's been starting to slip in the depression department lately because the area we live in has the highest rate of unemployment of the entire state (12.6%). Anything is better than nothing, but this is actually a good paying job that will last longer than a couple of weeks. And, it could possibly get him the professional references that he hasn't had in so long for applying to other jobs if it doesn't last more than the three to six months.
So, wish us luck! And pray if you are so inclined.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
That sounds wonderful for him. Good luck!
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
Sala, good luck to your husband! It sounds like he has a good lead in a tough market and that is definitely something to celebrate. I hope he gets the temp position and that it turns into permanent.
I'm about to wash my hair and throw on some makeup and go. I'm really, really nervous. This interview is with the principal, the librarian, the drama teacher, and every English teacher from the school. The drama teacher called me and said all the other English teachers wanted to meet me. I'm really praying I have a good shot at this!
Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
Best of luck, Belle. Posted by Alcon (Member # 6645) on :
Good luck Belle!
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
Oh man, how depressing. I assumed call backs were going to be held today and that there would only be a couple of us.
Instead, I found out that they were interviewing six people - 2 callbacks, me and one other, and four new people. Why interview new people if you already have folks you want to call back and decide from? Must be that you are not happy with the quality of your call backs and want to get some more candidates.
Plus, I could hear the interview of the person before me, and she has just moved back to Alabama from Georgia and has several years of experience...to my 15 weeks of student teaching.
I am dejected again. Doesn't seem to be much hope for me.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
They would have to pay her more. It's not over yet.
Posted by scholarette (Member # 11540) on :
I was talking to a future teacher today and he hasn't interviewed at all for next year. He has been subbing though and one of the principals he has worked with swears that there will be an opening- just the teacher has not submitted the paperwork yet. So, there is still hope.
Posted by Tstorm (Member # 1871) on :
quote: They would have to pay her more. [Smile] It's not over yet.
Heh. Yup, for every benefit, there is a downside.
(Warm, cuddly blank statement intended to make Belle feel better.)
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by Belle: Must be that you are not happy with the quality of your call backs and want to get some more candidates.
Not necessarily. First of all, schools like to have backup candidates on file (because if someone suddenly leaves mid-year, that way they already have people to call that have been through the interview process). Second of all, in some states/municipalities, they may be legally required (or not actually required, but inclined to to avoid legal issues) to interview all reasonable candidates until the job is actually filled.
I think you have a great shot at this. Good luck!
Sala, that sounds like a great start for your husband. Good luck!
Posted by scifibum (Member # 7625) on :
quote: Why interview new people if you already have folks you want to call back and decide from? Must be that you are not happy with the quality of your call backs and want to get some more candidates.
Let me just add that if you have decided not to hire from already-interviewed candidates, you wouldn't invite them back for another interview.
You're just gonna have to face it, the 2nd interview is a good sign. Posted by Tstorm (Member # 1871) on :
quote:First of all, schools like to have backup candidates on file (because if someone suddenly leaves mid-year, that way they already have people to call that have been through the interview process).
This, and they may want to have a few more 'interview backups'. Not everyone who interviews and is offered a position actually accepts it. At my current place of employment, pay is on the low side, compared to other geographic areas. When we interview 3 candidates, our first pick doesn't always accept.
As my father eloquently put it this year, when he was being interviewed/vetted for a position: I'm examining them as much as they're examining me. If there's something I don't like, there's no obligation on my part to accept the offer.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by scifibum: You're just gonna have to face it, the 2nd interview is a good sign.
Yup.
Tstorm, good point.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
Thanks guys. I think I'm getting defensive...being pessimistic as a way to guard against all the disappointment I've been feeling lately.
One girl that interviewed after me is a friend...we spoke in the waiting room. She, however, is not certified so chances are not that good they would hire her over me. But, if they did...she is working at a Christian school and said she would recommend me to take her place. It doesn't pay as well as public school but it would be better than nothing.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Backup plans are good. *hug*
Posted by scifibum (Member # 7625) on :
I'm sure you are probably already doing what you can to stay positive, but try not to let pessimism take hold. It conceivably could affect the way you come across in interviews. Just remember, you are qualified, and you know you will do a good job, and you need to share those convictions with people who aren't yet aware of the facts.
Posted by Alcon (Member # 6645) on :
Hey Belle, any word yet from any of the recent interviews? Keep us updated, I've got my fingers crossed for you!
And in another note, I'm about to go talk to my current boss and ask him if he'll be my reference in my just beginning job search. *sigh* I feel like I was just doing this two months ago. Oh, wait, I was.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
Nothing at all. They said they would notify everyone the day the job closes..which is Monday the 6th.
In other news, I applied for a long-term sub position. That felt like giving up and made me cry to do it but I have to face the facts I may not get a full time position. I need to cover my bases and have my options open. I also began looking into other institutions for job openings. I want to stay in education, so I've been looking at the local universities and junior colleges. There is an opportunity to be the supervisor for campus tutoring services. I also have the chance to be a part-time employee at the local junior college tutoring people with reading problems. I may have to pay my dues with the JuCo system while working on my master's and perhaps move into an instructor position with them.
Posted by Alcon (Member # 6645) on :
quote:They said they would notify everyone the day the job closes..which is Monday the 6th.
It's not over yet then. But yeah, it's good to cover your bases. Dues paying time is disappointing, but it is something and may very well lead to you eventually being where you want. It just means it may take a little longer than you wanted.
Still maybe on June 6th...
Well, for myself, I have a reference. Time to start sending out the resumes and see if I get any nibbles.
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
Yay!!! I got my old job back!! Recall letter got emailed to me last week, I printed it, signed it, and faxed it in last night.
As a bonus, I'm also getting a student teacher next year!! Woot!
Edit: hm...not quite a landmark post, but ah well. I'm satisfied.
[ June 30, 2009, 05:00 PM: Message edited by: BandoCommando ]
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Sounds like a landmark to me! That must be a great relief, Bando!
Belle, good luck. I can't actually keep my fingers crossed for a whole week, but consider the thought there.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
Bando that's awesome! Congratulations! Try not to abuse the student teacher too much. Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
Thanks rivka and Belle!
It was only 5 years ago that I was a student teacher myself, so I pretty clearly remember the agony of working pretty much a full time job and having to PAY for it through tuition. I promise I won't abuse the student teacher, but I hope I have some relevant and useful advice for her.
I'm really glad I got my old job back; it's a great school with good support from both the parents and the administration (this support being a large factor in my recall). Also, I'm currently attending a summer graduate program, and one of my prospects wanted me to drive back up home (a 5 hour car trip, one way) last Monday for an interview. This would have caused me to miss a day of my two-week session, and would have likely delayed my degree for a year. To boot, it wasn't a position I was terribly enthusiastic about. So when I got the news, I was thrilled to be able to withdraw my application from that particular job.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
Well the sixth came and went with no call. I'm assuming that I did not get the job and will get a form letter in the mail to that effect.
I did better...only cried for a minute and that was because a good friend called me to check on me and see how I was doing. I was handling it really well until I got some sympathy. I wiped my eyes and told her I would be applying for sub jobs this week.
I got a message back from my contact at the board of ed who said, in a nutshell "Don't give up. But, I will serve as a reference for you to get on our sub list." That pretty much tells me what I need to know, huh?
I am looking at furthering my education. If I don't get a full time job, I will sub and try to bank enough to cover tuition by January. Then, I'll start a master's program. I don't think getting a master's in my current certification really makes me much more employable, so I'm going to add another certification. Given the number of people who asked me in interviews if I either spoke Spanish or had ESL training, I'm thinking of adding an ESL certificate. In fact, I'm going to sit for the exam in the fall - I believe I can pass it - and that will allow me to obtain certification by examination.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
*hug*
Sounds like a good plan. Posted by Alcon (Member # 6645) on :
((Belle)) Good plan though, hang in there. If at first you don't succeed, try try again. And if at first you do succeed, try not to break your jaw when it hits the floor.
I went job posting hunting, and every time I do that I feel like I'm under qualified or like the current work I have to show doesn't nearly represent me well enough. The result is I go on a desperate programming spree trying to get all my various sample websites and programs into a shape I feel I can show off. That's the stage I'm at now. I never finish a project, I always think of more to add to it, so my projects are always in a constant state of development and half completion. Not very pretty to show
I think I'm almost ready to apply to a few of them though. There's one that's a game developer position at an MMO company. I didn't particularly set out to be a game developer, but it's the job I feel like I'm most qualified for - what having been developing a Multi-User Dungeon (text based RPG) since I was 16. Wish me luck...
Posted by Sala (Member # 8980) on :
My turn, again. Well, hubby didn't get the job. We'll keep trying, though.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
Sala, I'm sorry. I know how frustrating it is.
I have been looking for a job steady since February. Checking online listings, mailing resumes...I feel so defeated it's hard to keep my head above water most days. However...quitting isn't an option, so you just have to keep going.
Posted by Glenn Arnold (Member # 3192) on :
I subbed for a year before I got my teaching job. That seemed to be par for the course. Subbing doesn't pay very well, but where I am it's pretty much a guarantee of work any day you're available.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
And hope is not quite dead...got a lead today on a middle school job. Should be posted within days.
Still working on my backup plans. I'm going to take the ESL certification test in September and have applied for a job as a parent and community liaison with a school district. Not as much money as a teaching job, but would be an education-related job.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Good luck!
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
The middle school job has not appeared...my lead was not as good as I hoped it would be.
Tomorrow I will head to the local board of ed to fill out paperwork to add me to the sub list. I'll do the same at the school board for the county next door.
If I can average 2.5 days a week the first semester, I estimate I can bank enough money to pay for two classes in grad school. Even better, if I pass the certification test in September for ESL I will be eligible to teach at the local junior college where my husband teaches. So, if there is an opening for an ESL teacher at the junior college I might get a job there. If not, I'll just keep working on my education and try to make more contacts with principals.
I've begun to accept I am not going to find a full-time job this year. I'm actually very excited about pursuing the ESL path, and looking forward to getting back in school. Maybe this will turn out to be a positive development.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
I'm glad your plan looks like it will work well. Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
Well things are moving forward. The professor over the ESL program emailed me advising info and invited me to an information session. I'm really happy and excited.
Then...on top of that I got a call this morning for a middle school that needs an English teacher! Even better, the school has a large popoulation of migrant students and one of the questions the principal asked over the phone is "You don't by any chance speak Spanish or have ESL training?" I could honestly tell her I wanted my master's in ESL and had already taken steps to pursue that by contacting the university!
So, I'm back to hoping for a full time job again. But, I'm convinced now that if it doesn't happen, the world won't end. I think I needed to get to that place, and I'm glad I worked my way around to it. No matter what happens, I'm going to make this work.
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Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
Once more I went to an interview and thought everything went well. But, I don't think I can trust my read of things.
I should know quickly, which is one saving grace. The Board meets Monday, and they would need to put their recommendation before the board, so they'll decide tomorrow or Friday.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
Good luck! Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
Nothing. I have heard nothing so I am assuming I did not get it. They would have told the person they wanted today, I think.
I did however find out about a job at at local community college I'm qualified for. The deadline to apply is today at 4:30. I faxed over the application and stuff at 4:28. Cutting it a wee bit close!
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Good luck!
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
Maybe yours will be on top of the pile then. Good luck!
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
I have a lot going on right now.
First of all, another interview scheduled for Monday with a middle school. This is not a school of high choice for me (pretty long drive) but at this point I am not choosy. There are some good things about it - it is a school involved in an Alabama Reading initiative improvement program for adolescent literacy, which does appeal to me. The students are mostly economically disadvantaged. I have been trained in this program and I really think it is a good one and it has made a difference in many schools and I would love to be part of a progressive school that is actively working to improve literacy for students who need the help.
Secondly, I'm putting together everything I need to apply to the master's program in English as a Second Language. I also applied for several part time jobs at a local junior college. I think I would be content working part time while I complete my master's and move toward a future position with the junior colleges.
Finally, my hubby proved to me once again why I am the luckiest person in the world to be married to him. He told me that whatever I wanted to do with my life he is 100% behind. He wanted me to know that I didn't have any pressure to work full time from him and if I wanted to work part-time teaching a class or two per semester at the junior college and never get a full time job he was fine with it. In fact, he said if I wanted to stay home and write novels he would support that too. He wanted me to know that the pressure to get a job was completely self-imposed and was not coming from him.
I love knowing that the man I love supports me no matter what. It gives me the support and freedom to know that I am not a failure even if I don't get a full time job. That makes me very happy. Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
Wow, what a positive interview! The principal told me I was her favorite interview, then asked me if I would look up some info on the reading intervention program they use when I got home. I hope that means she is considering hiring me.
I should know quickly - even tonight. Registration is tomorrow so they want someone in place ASAP.
Of course, even if the principal says how much she likes me in person it doesn't mean she will hire me so I don't have my hopes up too high.
Posted by Tstorm (Member # 1871) on :
*crossed fingers*
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Good luck!
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
Didn't call tonight..but still may tomorrow.
Two more jobs were posted today and I applied for both. That brings the grand total of jobs I've applied for the 2009-2010 school year to 51. Out of those 51, I've gotten 6 interviews. One called me back for a 2nd interview but didn't hire me. One wanted to hire me but had to give the job to a tenured special educator whose position was just cut instead.
Posted by Valentine014 (Member # 5981) on :
I have a good feeling about this one, Belle!
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
I do too, Valentine, but nothing yet. It's funny, had anyone asked me even as recently was three months ago that the job I most wished I could get as this one, I'd have been shocked.
It's in a very poor section of town, mostly minority students and test scores are not so good. BUT...the principal totally blew me away. She didn't hide the problems...told me up front there would be challenges in discipline and also with students who would need reading intervention. What impressed me is that she had plans in place to address those problems and shared those plans with me.
But, I don't count on anything. I applied for the other two jobs that were posted yesterday and I'll be looking for more today.
[ July 29, 2009, 06:50 PM: Message edited by: Belle ]
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
My search is over!
I have been hired to teach 7th grade English at the last job I interviewed with. I am so excited. Yes, it's a longer drive than I wanted but it will be worth it. I love what this school is about, and how committed the principal is to making this school - a mostly minority school in a poor community - into one of the best in the state. She is excited to have me, I am excited to be working for her this year, and all around I could not be happier with the way things have turned out.
Thank you Hatrack for the encouragement and support you've shown me, even when I was down and convinced that I would never get a position...you guys forced me to snap out of it and keep my spirits up. Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
Yay! That's wonderful!! Congratulations!!!
I don't have enough exclamation points for this. Well done!
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Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
Congratulations Belle! That's fantastic.
It sounds like your job will be challenging but ultimately very rewarding.
Posted by Jhai (Member # 5633) on :
Congratulations!
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
Awesome news Belle, I'm very proud of you. Please do all you can to make the school you work at a better one. The potential good a teacher can achieve is so difficult to overstate.
Posted by scifibum (Member # 7625) on :
Woohoo! Congratulations!
Posted by Tstorm (Member # 1871) on :
Whoohoo! Congrats for the 8th time!
(Well, I can't just reiterate what everyone else said. I have to make this unique.)
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
Thanks everyone! I'm beginning to get overwhelmed at the huge amount of work ahead for me.
I don't think I've mentioned, but this job came with another job built in - I am also the cheerleading coach! Yeah, I know - crazy. I have no idea how to coach cheerleaders and I have no time to learn because practice will start immediately.
But, I was always told that new teachers are called upon to coach and sponsor things and to be prepared that it might be a requirement of the job. So, I'm not upset (I'm actually kind of looking forward to it) I just feel bad for the girls that they will be stuck with a coach who knows very little about their sport!
Posted by Mama Squirrel (Member # 4155) on :
Yay Belle!!!
Posted by Sala (Member # 8980) on :
Yeehaw! I'm so glad for you Belle. Good luck with getting all of your preparations done. And good luck with the cheerleading. I'm sure you'll be fantastic. Posted by Valentine014 (Member # 5981) on :
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I got a camp councelor job at the JCC! it's practically slave labor because i think i get less than 2 dollars an hour, but I got a job and my parents are'nt mad at me! Thaks for the support everyone ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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Actually that's even better for me in the short run since it will hopefully turn into a research assistantship which will pay for the rest of my schooling on top of a stipend. Yay!![[Cry]](graemlins/cry.gif)
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