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Posted by Erondites (Member # 11967) on :
 
I haven't seen this elsewhere on the internet, so I'll just list my observations.

Graff and Doon are Minister of Colonization and Assistant Minister of Colonization, respectively. Both act largely independently in pursuit of their interest, which is in both cases the good of humanity. Both effectively control their worlds (Doon the Empire; Graff Earth--as noted by Valentine in Ender in Exile). Both are responsible for the dispersion of the human race among the stars. Both, with the best of intentions, manipulated children to accomplish their goals, Doon using Jason Worthing and Graff using Ender Wiggin; both come to love these children. They both intentionally put the children in potentially deadly situations (Ender against Bonzo, and Jason against the twik).

Less substantially, they both send their "proteges" to lead a colony on another world. Both of them sleep for long period of time (Doon with Somec, and Graff in "stasis") in order to see their plans come to fruition. At this point it seems that what happens to Graff because of his sleeping parallels what happens to the Empress.
 
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
 
Depends, how old is the source material for the book Abner Doon is from?
 
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
 
Those are some interesting parallels. It makes one wonder if the author of the Ender's Game books had ever read Capitol, or if the similarities are purely coincidental, like the similarities between Ender's Game and Starship Troopers. [Wink]
 
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
 
Truly this is a mystery for the ages. Will we ever know? [Wink]
 
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
 
Some things man was not meant to know.
 
Posted by steven (Member # 8099) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head:
Those are some interesting parallels. It makes one wonder if the author of the Ender's Game books had ever read Capitol, or if the similarities are purely coincidental, like the similarities between Ender's Game and Starship Troopers. [Wink]

Somebody should tell these guys that Orson wrote both.
 
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
 
OSC is Heinlein!?!?!?
 
Posted by Tatiana (Member # 6776) on :
 
Yeah, he had to change his nom de plume when he joined the Mormon church. Cause like his bishop would have freaked out over "Stranger in a Strange Land".
 
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
 
As well he should.

It's nice to see that he settled down and started creating nice Mormon stories like "Highway Games" and "Kingsmeat".
 
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head:
As well he should.

It's nice to see that he settled down and started creating nice Mormon stories like "Highway Games" and "Kingsmeat".

I believe it's called "Freeway Games" Porter, or "Hard Driver." I remember reading it, and looking at the table of contents again to make sure Orson Scott Card actually wrote that.

His earlier stuff always feels a bit more dark and edgy than current offerings.
 
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
 
It's "Freeway Games".
 
Posted by Tatiana (Member # 6776) on :
 
Yes, those are much better for us to study in Relief Society. Oh and that one about the sucker babies in the public toilets.
 
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
 
"Eumenides in a Fifth Floor Lavatory", IIRC.
 
Posted by scifibum (Member # 7625) on :
 
Fourth.
 
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
 
Mine goes up to five.
 


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