quote:Originally posted by Lisa: I can't believe no one has mentioned Milanos or Thin Mints. Or Mint Milanos, which are the ultimate cookie.
This is exactly the sort of shameless, ugly, patronizing commentary that should never be accepted in civilized
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um, in civilized
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uhhhhhhh crap, nevermind. she's totally right.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
man i am going to go get some right now
Posted by Armoth (Member # 4752) on :
Hahahaha...
It's so funny that you isolated that suggestion, bc when I read it in the other thread, I wrote it off...But now, I have SUCH a craving. Cya'll I'm heading to the store.
Posted by DDDaysh (Member # 9499) on :
I have no idea what the context of that was, but I'm having a craving now myself!
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
I am posting in this high quality thread (and daydreaming about Mint Milanos...)
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
I have never had mint milanos! How have I missed this! I must go get some.
Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
It's all about double chocolate milanos which they don't make anymore. Which is sad as chocolate needs to be pure and doesn't need mint or fruit in it but MORE CHOCOLATE!
Posted by Mike (Member # 55) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lisa: I am posting in this high quality thread (and daydreaming about Mint Milanos...)
Blasphemy! Orange Milanos are the best.
Posted by romanylass (Member # 6306) on :
I do not like Girl Scout cookies.
Posted by Raymond Arnold (Member # 11712) on :
quote:I do not like Girl Scout cookies.
*twitch*
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
quote:Originally posted by romanylass: I do not like Girl Scout cookies.
More for me!
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
I've just been rickrolled.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike:
quote:Originally posted by Lisa: I am posting in this high quality thread (and daydreaming about Mint Milanos...)
Blasphemy! Orange Milanos are the best.
It is a difficult call. Orange and Mint Milanos are both awesome.
Posted by DDDaysh (Member # 9499) on :
Isn't it weird how thoughts of certain foods can take you back in time? The first time I had Mint Milanos I was 16. My (then) boyfriend introduced me to them because they sold them at the snack bar in the building where he had his Political Science class. They still make me remember sitting outside his classroom on Thursday evenings reading Star Wars novels. :-)
Posted by CaySedai (Member # 6459) on :
We call them "potato chip cookies" because my sister's kids called them that. I like orange better than mint. They have raspberry, too.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Raspberry is nice, but not on par with mint or orange.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
I am shocked that this kind of blatant prejudice against the gluten intolerant is tolerated here at hatrack.
Isn't it enough that we can never again eat Milanos or girl scout cookies. Must you rub it in?
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
I've never had the orange ones. KitKat put out a limited edition of orange flavored KitKats some years ago, and they were delish.
I tried the double chocolate Milanos, but the proportions were off for my taste. I'd choose regular Milanos over probably any cookie in the world except for Mint Milanos.
The day Pepperage Farm went kosher was an even happier one than the day Oreos went kosher. At least for me.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
Thanks for reminding me about Oreos. Knowing I will never feel obliged to eat another Orea is one of the few perks of being gluten intolerant. Oreos are vile.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lisa: I've never had the orange ones.
Bizarre. The supermarkets here always have them.
quote:Originally posted by The Rabbit: Oreos are vile.
AMEN!
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by rivka:
quote:Originally posted by Lisa: I've never had the orange ones.
Bizarre. The supermarkets here always have them.
<shrug> Maybe it's a California thing.
quote:Originally posted by rivka:
quote:Originally posted by The Rabbit: Oreos are vile.
AMEN!
When I was a kid, long before they came up with Double Stuff, I used to make my own double Oreos. Sometimes I'd just say the hell with the cookies, scrape the middle out of half a dozen of them, roll it into a ball and snack on it.
But have you tried the mint Oreos? Much, much better.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Rabbit: Thanks for reminding me about Oreos. Knowing I will never feel obliged to eat another Orea is one of the few perks of being gluten intolerant. Oreos are vile.
You just don't remember how good they are. Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade:
quote:Originally posted by The Rabbit: Thanks for reminding me about Oreos. Knowing I will never feel obliged to eat another Orea is one of the few perks of being gluten intolerant. Oreos are vile.
You just don't remember how good they are.
O contraire. I remember quite well how vile they are.
Years ago, when I first met my SIL, I made a crack about how horrid Oreos are (flavorless rock hard black cookies filled with sugar lard frosting, blickk). She took deep offense for which I have still not been forgiven. For years there after I felt obliged to eat Oreos when they were offered despite their vileness. But now I can polite say, "No, I'm gluten intolerant" and I never have to eat another Oreo.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Rabbit:
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade:
quote:Originally posted by The Rabbit: Thanks for reminding me about Oreos. Knowing I will never feel obliged to eat another Orea is one of the few perks of being gluten intolerant. Oreos are vile.
You just don't remember how good they are.
O contraire. I remember quite well how vile they are.
Years ago, when I first met my SIL, I made a crack about how horrid Oreos are (flavorless rock hard black cookies filled with sugar lard frosting, blickk). She took deep offense for which I have still not been forgiven. For years there after I felt obliged to eat Oreos when they were offered despite their vileness. But now I can polite say, "No, I'm gluten intolerant" and I never have to eat another Oreo.
Lactose intolerant people also hate Oreos. It's the same reason for why bread bereft of butter and butter bereft of bread are inadvisable.
Posted by Uprooted (Member # 8353) on :
So Rabbit, I'm trying to figure out whether your offense was in holding the opinion that Oreos are vile, or in expressing that opinion after she offered them to you? If the latter, I can get why she was put out (although never forgiving such a minor offense is clearly not a good way to maintain family relations). If the former, I'll bet she's one of those people who walks around in a perpetual state of umbrage.
I love the little lardy black things. But I try not to eat them around other people because I always end up w/ black stuff in my teeth.
And Orange Milanos chilled in the fridge are scrumptious.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
I am intolerant of neither gluten nor lactose, and Oreos are HORRIBLE and NASTY. And the very notion of deliberately eating extra of the vile Crisco-plus-powdered-sugar-nastiness they call a filling made me gag.
I've had the mint. It doesn't help much. Nasty + mint is still nasty.
Posted by Uprooted (Member # 8353) on :
I'm with you that the double-stuffed aren't my favorite. But I still like Oreos.
Now if you want HORRIBLE and NASTY - how about cotton candy? (shudder)
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Cotton candy is one of those things I like once every 12-24 months, at a fair or other outdoor activity.
More often than that, and it becomes unpalatable.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
I can't stand cotton candy, licorice though is probably hands down the most disgusting confection I know of.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: licorice though is probably hands down the most disgusting confection I know of.
Assuming you mean the black stuff, I'm with you.
The red can be good.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by rivka:
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: licorice though is probably hands down the most disgusting confection I know of.
Assuming you mean the black stuff, I'm with you.
The red can be good.
I had such a terrible experience with red, I had to believe black was just as bad. I know it's wrong to have come to such a snap judgment but I don't know if I could build up the courage to put the stuff in my mouth again.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
The black is nasty because of taste, not texture. And black and red have VERY different flavors.
Posted by maui babe (Member # 1894) on :
I think there should be different words for the cookies that are sold in bulk (oreo, thin mint, milano) and the type that are baked at home (chocolate chip, oatmeal, peanut butter, snickerdoodle etc). They are so far removed from each other that they shouldn't even have the same name. I can hardly stomach most commercially baked cookies of any description, but love love LOVE home baked (or fresh bakery like Great Harvest-baked) cookies.
Posted by Wendybird (Member # 84) on :
Mint Milanos are good but have you tried the Mint Brussels? Now those are heavenly.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Agreed.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Originally posted by maui babe: I think there should be different words for the cookies that are sold in bulk (oreo, thin mint, milano) and the type that are baked at home (chocolate chip, oatmeal, peanut butter, snickerdoodle etc). They are so far removed from each other that they shouldn't even have the same name.
I agree 100%. I think we should borrow from the brits and call the hard dry mass produced kind "biscuits" and the soft chewy home baked kind "cookies". I do actually like many of the hard dry boxed cookies, but you are correct that they really have very little in common with a good soft chewy delicious home made cookie.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Originally posted by Wendybird: Mint Milanos are good but have you tried the Mint Brussels? Now those are heavenly.
Just what I don't need. One more heavenly food I can never even try.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
quote:From Lisa: But have you tried the mint Oreos? Much, much better.
Amen to that. They're little discs of minty goodness, but the local grocery stores around here seem to only stock them as a holiday item. They aren't here year round.
I'm not a huge fan of normal Oreos, but those are the best.
As far as cookies you can buy, I've never had a Milano, but nothing beats a Samoa as far as I'm concerned. When they came out with Samoa ice cream, it was the best day ever.
For home made cookies: Molasses cookies and pumpkin cookies are the best. The absolute best. Anyone who disagrees with me is wrong. Wrong.
Posted by scifibum (Member # 7625) on :
Someone should invent a gluten free Oreo.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
You know I always used to roll my eyes at work (I work at a restaurant) whenever a server would ask me what our gluten free options were. Really, other than salad, we didn't have that many, and the ones we do have are a huge pain in the butt to prepare.
But then last year my future sister in law was diagnosed with Celiac's, which means no gluten. I never realized just how limited their options were, or how much of an insensitive jerk I was being.
[/mea culpa]
Posted by Tatiana (Member # 6776) on :
The reason heavenly foods you can't try are so heavenly is that you only know of the ideal, and can't partake of the real. What's true is that ideal cookies always taste far better than real ones. So, the answer is clearly to eat virtual cookies, which contain no gluten and have all the taste properties of ideal cookies, i.e. perfection!
(tosses out large zip-lock bags filled with virtual cookies of every description)
Here, enjoy!
P.S They're also cheaper and have no calories. How can you beat perfection such as that?
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn: As far as cookies you can buy, I've never had a Milano, but nothing beats a Samoa as far as I'm concerned. When they came out with Samoa ice cream, it was the best day ever.
True.
Although the fact that you like Oreos make me hesitate to agree with you. Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Originally posted by scifibum: Someone should invent a gluten free Oreo.
Luckily, no one has offered these to me yet. But some day some one is going to go out of their way to get me a gluten free treat and buy these. And it will be such a considerate thing to do that I will feel obliged to eat them, no matter how nasty they turn out to be.
It is a real problem. It hasn't happened with these cookies yet, but it has happened with other gluten free items. And the thing is, that I really do appreciate it when people go out of their way to get something gluten free for me. Its very thoughtful and it makes me feel warm and fuzzy when people do it. Its such a pity when it goes a rye either because they've purchased something nasty or because they've purchased something that isn't actually gluten free. If the problem is simply that the product is nasty, I eat it because I really do appreciate the effort. When the product turns out to contain gluten, its a much bigger problem because even though I really appreciate the effort -- I'm not willing to poison my self to show it.
Posted by scifibum (Member # 7625) on :
"goes a rye" grain pun! Nice.
Posted by scifibum (Member # 7625) on :
BTW, I just had a fantastic idea for your Christmas present, Rabbit. If you'll email me with your mailing address. *whistles innocently*
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
Silly Rabbit. That's not how it's spelt.
Posted by Ron Lambert (Member # 2872) on :
Fairly decent cookies can be made gluten free out of rice flour, tapioca flour, etc. But they still can't make a decent gluten-free bread substitute. Rice flour just produces a texture that is too heavy. I can lighten it a little by adding pure corn starch, but it still is not adequate. Adding a little flax seed improves rice-based bread somewhat, as well. But there simply is no substitute for gluten, and it is the gluten that is needed to make light and fluffy and tastey bread.
As for your wheat-based Oreos--us Celiacs can't eat your Hobbit food!
Speaking of presents--silly Rabbi, kicks are for Trids.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:As for your wheat-based Oreos--us Celiacs can't eat your Hobbit food!
Does this mean that the sweeter we are to you, the more out of sorts you'd get?
Posted by Uprooted (Member # 8353) on :
Jon Boy, I can barley understand what you are talking about.
Posted by romanylass (Member # 6306) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade:
quote:Originally posted by The Rabbit:
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade:
quote:Originally posted by The Rabbit: Thanks for reminding me about Oreos. Knowing I will never feel obliged to eat another Orea is one of the few perks of being gluten intolerant. Oreos are vile.
You just don't remember how good they are.
O contraire. I remember quite well how vile they are.
Years ago, when I first met my SIL, I made a crack about how horrid Oreos are (flavorless rock hard black cookies filled with sugar lard frosting, blickk). She took deep offense for which I have still not been forgiven. For years there after I felt obliged to eat Oreos when they were offered despite their vileness. But now I can polite say, "No, I'm gluten intolerant" and I never have to eat another Oreo.
Lactose intolerant people also hate Oreos. It's the same reason for why bread bereft of butter and butter bereft of bread are inadvisable.
I am pretty sure Oroes are dairy free. Not that it matter to me, becasue they are vile. Give me Trader Joe's Joe-Joe's anyday.
Posted by romanylass (Member # 6306) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade:
quote:Originally posted by The Rabbit:
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade:
quote:Originally posted by The Rabbit: Thanks for reminding me about Oreos. Knowing I will never feel obliged to eat another Orea is one of the few perks of being gluten intolerant. Oreos are vile.
You just don't remember how good they are.
O contraire. I remember quite well how vile they are.
Years ago, when I first met my SIL, I made a crack about how horrid Oreos are (flavorless rock hard black cookies filled with sugar lard frosting, blickk). She took deep offense for which I have still not been forgiven. For years there after I felt obliged to eat Oreos when they were offered despite their vileness. But now I can polite say, "No, I'm gluten intolerant" and I never have to eat another Oreo.
Lactose intolerant people also hate Oreos. It's the same reason for why bread bereft of butter and butter bereft of bread are inadvisable.
I am pretty sure Oroes are dairy free. Not that it matter to me, becasue they are vile. Give me Trader Joe's Joe-Joe's anyday.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
They're OU-D, so there must be some dairy.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
Not necessarily by any standard other than kashrut. I mean, it could have maltose in it. It could have any number of chemicals derived from dairy products that no one but us considers dairy.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
quote:Originally posted by Uprooted: Jon Boy, I can barley understand what you are talking about.
Wheat's wrong with you? Do you have some kind of bran damage that impairs your reading comprehension?
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lisa: Not necessarily by any standard other than kashrut. I mean, it could have maltose in it. It could have any number of chemicals derived from dairy products that no one but us considers dairy.
True. They used to contain lactose, but apparently not anymore.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
I have a serious concerns about lactose intolerance.
First the background, Lactose intolerance is caused by a difficiency in or total lack of the enzyme lactase which makes it difficult or impossible to digest lactose. Since lactose can't be properly broken down in the small intestine, it passes into the large intestine where it is broken down by bacteria that produce gases which can then lead to bloating, diarrhea and flatulence. From a simple mechanistic perspective, there is no way people with lactose intolerance, even people with absolutely no lactase, could have problems with very small amounts of lactose.
Lactose intolerance isn't like allergies or gluten intolerance. There is no immune system involvement that can amplify the effect of a few molecules. The number of molecules of gas produced will be simply related to number of molecules of lactose consumed.
So now to the question. Despite the indisputable facts I have explained above, there are a lot of people who identify themselves as lactose intolerant who claim to get very sick from eating trace amounts of dairy products in things like Oreo cookies. What's going on? Are these people
a) suffering from lactose intolerance and also IBS and confuse the two problems.
b) misdiagnosed and actually suffering from some other digestive disorder or a genuine dairy allergy.
c) hypocondriacs who are imagining symptoms.
d) wackos obsessed with the "evils of dairy".
e) other.
And finally, I'm a person who suffers from gluten intolerance, which is an immune system mediated disorder and therefore really and truly mechanistically sensitive to trace amounts of gluten. How much do I need to worry that people will presume that gluten intolerance is just like lactose intolerance and a little bit can't possibly hurt me? How much do I need to worry that people will think I'm a hypochondriac or a nut job because I'm worried about the little bit of flour they put in the sauce? How much do I need to worry that friends and associates will lie to me about what they consider to be "just a little bit of flour" that won't hurt me if I don't know about it?
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jon Boy:
quote:Originally posted by Uprooted: Jon Boy, I can barley understand what you are talking about.
Wheat's wrong with you? Do you have some kind of bran damage that impairs your reading comprehension?
All these puns are really starting to rub me against the grain.
Posted by Ron Lambert (Member # 2872) on :
Oreos use vegetable oil in their filling. In fact, Kraft Foods has been under pressure to reduce the amount of trans fats from what is in the partially hydrogenated soybean oil used presently. Link: http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/05/14/oreo.suit/
Think Crisco mixed with sugar and vanilla. And maybe some wheat flour to thicken it.
Posted by Uprooted (Member # 8353) on :
quote:All these puns are really starting to rub me against the grain.
Indeed. Corny puns are the sure sign of a bulgur sense of humor.
Posted by Shmuel (Member # 7586) on :
quote:Do oreo cookies contain any dairy ingredients?
Some Oreo cookies do not contain any dairy ingredients as of now.
However, they can change at any time to contain actual dairy. We advise checking the ingredient panel. Additionally, they are made on dairy equipment.
...one might note that the suggestion to check the ingredients is in direct contradiction to what they say elsewhere. Why they think not noting DE is a good idea is beyond me.
Posted by Brian J. Hill (Member # 5346) on :
quote: Indeed. Corny puns are the sure sign of a bulgur sense of humor.
The flax of the matter is, grain puns are becoming a bit oat of style.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
See, now if that was aural and not visual, I'd think you were doing a Canadian accent.
Posted by Tatiana (Member # 6776) on :
I'm lactose intolerant but I'm not bothered by cheese or yogurt, that I can tell. It's hard to know what is causing your problems when you eat a wide variety of things over the course of several days, so I'd go with the idea that people are trying their best to figure out what's causing their problems and once they realize dairy bothers them, they just prefer to have none. It's always possible that they could have actual allergies, too, as in celiac disease.
I usually eat almost no bread, but lately I got out my breadmaker and have made multiple loaves. I've noticed a real difference in how I feel from it. So I think I'm going to try going gluten free as soon as my current supplies are used up. Rice has always made my tummy feel good.
Rabbit, I think the only safe thing is never to eat food that you didn't prepare yourself (or close family). Other people will never be as careful as you are, because to them the problem is not acute and unmistakable as it is to you. Because they're not accustomed to cooking gluten-free, they're often going to forget, or else think it's too much trouble, or believe a small amount won't hurt, etc. And they're likely not to mention minor ingredients if you ask.
Of course, that makes travel almost impossible. =(
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Shmuel, the D (rather than DE) decision by the OU a few years back is a question of politics and convenience.
And checking the panel is probably being recommended for those with lactose intolerance. Although it would make sense for batul questions as well, those nasty politics come back into play if they admit that publicly.
Anyway, when Oreos first got their hechsher, they definitely had lactose. And once I tried them and was sure I didn't like them, I stopped paying much attention to their ingredients. Posted by King of Men (Member # 6684) on :
Wow, we haven't had a cascade of buns in this forums since at least 2006.
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