The second one was covered by a local paper, but the link to the Courier is now dead and their archive yields nothing. Fox News and a local college paper each have something, but neither is what I'd call a good source.
Posted by Shmuel (Member # 7586) on :
I would disagree with rejecting Fox News as a credible source for straight news... in any event, the story linked to in this case is credited to the Associated Press. (Hopefully they qualify?)
A followup, also from the AP notes that the case was settled about two months later. It doesn't actually say "the school realized it didn't have a leg to stand on," but that would seem to sum it up.
Edited to note that the first and second links are about the same case; as Rivka noted, a jury ended up agreeing with the school's contention that there was a misunderstanding involved, and that students were never actually prohibited from studying the Bible during recess. (I don't see a link in the original post corresponding to Rivka's second link?)
[ November 11, 2009, 04:19 PM: Message edited by: Shmuel ]
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
OP has three links, not two.
And Fox sets my teeth on edge, even when they are supposedly reporting "just the facts, ma'am". My bias is therefore to take EVERYTHING from them with a huge grain of salt. (Even when they cite a secondary source, like the AP; they have been known to omit key paragraphs.)
Posted by MattP (Member # 10495) on :
This first case occurs in Knox County, which is the same school district that is involved in an ongoing case with a teacher accused of branding crosses on his students' arms and evangelizing in class so they are probably on a bit of a hair trigger for religious stuff, though it sounds like the school is overstepping its bounds. The second case sounds similar.
Posted by Glenn Arnold (Member # 3192) on :
First, it was this Youtube video that go me started in this.
What got my attention was that the case with the girl singing the song was nothing like the description of the chorus not being allowed to sing "traditional Christmas Carols."
Posted by MattP (Member # 10495) on :
"Awesome God" is not exactly a traditional Christmas carol, so their advertising is misleading, but I don't see the constitutional issue with allowing a student to perform an overtly religious piece for a talent show.
Not that the ADF isn't often on the wrong side of things, but in these particular cases their position seems pretty clearly correct. That's probably why they were selected for the marketing materials.
Posted by Shmuel (Member # 7586) on :
quote:Originally posted by rivka: OP has three links, not two.
Yes. As I said. But the first and second are about the same case, re: Bible study at recess; neither is about a Kentucky student who wants to object to homosexuality.
quote:Originally posted by rivka: And Fox sets my teeth on edge, even when they are supposedly reporting "just the facts, ma'am". My bias is therefore to take EVERYTHING from them with a huge grain of salt. (Even when they cite a secondary source, like the AP; they have been known to omit key paragraphs.)
Fair enough, but I don't think they're worse than any other mainstream media outlet in that regard.
quote:Originally posted by Glenn Arnold: This case was left out:
quote:Originally posted by Shmuel: (I don't see a link in the original post corresponding to Rivka's second link?)
Huh. That's the wrong link. Oops!
Posted by Shmuel (Member # 7586) on :
...and I just deleted the post you just replied to upon seeing the edited post, but not before you replied to it. Oops.
Anyway, I'm glad that's cleared up. Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
I'm sure I don't know what you're talking about. Posted by Shmuel (Member # 7586) on :
Posted by Glenn Arnold (Member # 3192) on :
Shmuel: I also support the student's right to sing Awesome God, but it seems to me rather disingenuous that they totally misrepresented the case in the video.
It seems to me that the song is provocative, and therefore I can understand the difficulty the school had in allowing it. What I'm trying to do is to point out that there is a distinct line between a school promoting religion, and allowing religion. What the ADF is doing is intentionally blurring that line, in an effort to gain yardage, so to speak.
Posted by CaySedai (Member # 6459) on :
Am I missing something? I don't think the girl in the video is the same girl that wanted to sing "Awesome God." The video says a school choir wanted to sing songs at a Christmas concert - they could sing about Santa and reindeer, but not about God. The case of the girl who wanted to sing "Awesome God" was a talent show - in May 2005, I believe. I wasn't able to find anything about the story of the girl in the video, though.
Posted by Shmuel (Member # 7586) on :
Like Cay, I doubt the video is referring to the "Awesome God" case at all. Something like http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6745305/ seems more likely. (Though I also don't think any of the people in the video were actually involved in any such cases, and it might have been nice if that had been indicated somewhere...)
Posted by Glenn Arnold (Member # 3192) on :
The video was produced by the ADF, and the ADF says these three cases were the cases the video was based on.
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