I'd hit that.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
I think she's fabulous. I thoroughly enjoy the music - it's perfect for the morning run. I think the videos are works of art, and I like the performance art. I bought The Fame Monster the day it came out. I wish her well.
Posted by AchillesHeel (Member # 11736) on :
I do not find her impressive, just another supposedly risque female singing songs she didnt write through computer programs that make you pitch perfect. Its this recipe that is still responsible for Britney Spears, and she cant even perform as well as Gaga (who seems to simply dress scantilly in Picaso-esque clothing for artistic originality) I didnt think it was cute when Spears did it and Gaga will not trick me either. Why not Tegan and Sara? or The Pierces? women who can sing thier own hand written songs live and do so with a straight face, I have no appreciation for a trollip with lyrics like Kiss or hug you, 'cause I'm bluffin' With my muffin, I'm not lyin'.
I do not respect her, and I do not believe she expects to be respected acting like she does.
Posted by MrSquicky (Member # 1802) on :
Achilles, Lady Gaga went to the Tisch School of the Arts (the one from Fame) and had a career working as a song writer (ironically, one of the artists she wrote for was Britney Spears) before becoming a singer herself.
She's got a remarkable voice and musical abilities and is the primary composer for a lot of her songs. You may not like her music or her persona, but she's not just another studio created pop princess.
Posted by Flaming Toad on a Stick (Member # 9302) on :
It's hard for me to appreciate someone's voice when it's synthesized and auto-tuned up the wazoo. That said, she seems to be a competent performer, and some of her songs are catchy.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
Kinda rude that none of those back up dancers or MTV staff had the decency to let Lady Gaga know she'd forgotten to wear pants in her performance.
Posted by Shmuel (Member # 7586) on :
(Also, she does write or co-write her own songs, AH. It's fair to dislike her style -- I'm not a big fan myself -- but she's not somebody else's product.)
Posted by paigereader (Member # 2274) on :
She is entertaining but I think she looks like Blossom in a blond wig. Whoa!
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
Shmuel: Your video made me realize how much I hate not having a proper piano.
Posted by AchillesHeel (Member # 11736) on :
If she has so much potential why is so much of her public works centered around "kissing boys raises my self worth" and "look at my crotch, the small amount of cloth is only slightly legally admissable." Tori Amos is an artist, and I have never seen her vagina or nipples despite any amount of her music I have enjoyed, and yet I remember seeing Gaga's bits before I ever heard her music. Hell I didnt even know she was in music for the first three months that I saw her in the news.
And no, she is not a pop princess because she doesnt even have the class to attain such a title. When Mandy Moore first hit national coverage it was for a bubble gum sweet chomo bait of a song and video, she intelligently refuted the control of record companies willing to damn near put her on a corner if it would get them money and attained her own career based on her own abilities. What if Natalie Imbruglia had worn less clothing, or maybe Kylie Minogue had worn more in her return to international music in the nineties? would thier careers be the same today?. Gaga is currently the most astute representation that sex sells, I cannot dissagree, but it bothers me when gratuitous crotch shots are called art. Music is near and dear to me, from singing Tanya Tucker songs as a child with my mother to reciting the opening to a particular Snoop Dogg album in preschool when the teacher asked what I wanted to be when I grew up. All music has to be is honest, wether its complete nonsense (come together- The Beatles) real life tragedy (freshman- The Verve Pipe) because its entirely new and funny (piece of shit car- Adam Sandler) or maybe your life experiences through an unlikely filter (pitch dark- MC Frontalot) but a grown woman nearly molesting herself or having a male dancer do it for her onstage for attention is not music. I do not intend to refer to it as such, I have had this conversation in RL with a few people already, so I may be predispositioned even in a debate setting.
How the hell did I end up on the conservitive side of an argument? I may need to commit some lascivious acts to shake off the smell of morallity.
Posted by AchillesHeel (Member # 11736) on :
Where did that go? I see nothing wrong with music about love and lust, but why did she go from songs about anticipating a lovers touch and smile to "bluffin with her muffin."
That big voice at the end of electric kiss deserves an MTV Music awards performance, until then Norah Jones has nothing to fear, neither does Regina Spektor.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
Her music doesn't do anything for me, but I respect her as a performer, and enjoyed the visuals in the one video of hers that I've seen (I can't get to youtube from work, so I have no idea whether it's the one linked to here or not).
Posted by AchillesHeel (Member # 11736) on :
The link above is her with her natural hair, singing unaltered and playing the piano with no back up instruments. Instead of spreading her legs, and croaking into an auto-tune program.
Posted by MrSquicky (Member # 1802) on :
quote:but why did she go from songs about anticipating a lovers touch and smile to "bluffin with her muffin."
That is a great question.
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
I'm sure if you compare her bank account now with what it was then, the answer seems pretty obvious. Nobody made hatrack threads about her then.
(Now I've never heard of her before this thread, but I'm somewhat out of the pop music loop these days.)
Posted by AchillesHeel (Member # 11736) on :
Maybe ten years from now we'll all be listening to "Stefani Germanotta's favorite Christmas Carol's" no matter what she does now I'd rather hear her sing let it snow than Rod Stewart.
Posted by Strider (Member # 1807) on :
Here's Stefani and her band playing a reggaeish version of D'yer Mak'er.
Lady Gaga has mentioned several cool eighties bands as her influences, but I couldn't hear those influences in songs like "Just Dance." So I bought the album, and I've found that "Summer Boy" is my favorite track, and really has that eighties glam band feel to it. It's not much like the other songs on the album, and it makes me wonder how much of her creative expression was squashed in her big singles, before letting her write exactly what she wanted.
I could be wrong. She may love her dance singles as much as the others. They just don't sound like what I'd expect music influenced by Queen and David Bowie to sound like.
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
And, 'cause I'm bored, David Bowie! Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
Her work, Poker Face, is catchy, clever and provocative. While not amazing, it is on the upper tier of what you can expect from the hip-hop radio hit pool. And Just dance isn't that bad either.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
Bad Romance is fantastic.
Posted by Alcon (Member # 6645) on :
That video of her in the talent show is unfracking believable. It gave me cold shivers. Can we have that artist, please?
I want more exactly like that, with that feeling, and that intensity. Take away the glimmer and glam the died hair, the weird music videos, the stupid synthesizer, the backup band and just give her the piano. I'd buy every cd she made like that...
Posted by Alcon (Member # 6645) on :
Figured out who she reminds me of in that video. She reminds me of Amy Lee (of Evanescence) during the relatively rare occasions when she sits down at the piano sans her band.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
quote:Originally posted by katharina: Bad Romance is fantastic.
Is that the one you linked to on sake the other day? If so, that's the one that I've seen. I absolutely agree with you about the video, but the music didn't stick with me.
Of course, I almost always have to hear something a couple of times before I start to appreciate it, so all that really means is that it was in a style of music that I tend not to enjoy, and that I only heard it once.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
I've had it stuck in my head for the past week and a half. I love it.
I don't wanna be friends... Posted by CaySedai (Member # 6459) on :
I switch the channel when her songs come on. They are too catchy, and not what I want my inner radio station playing for hours.
Posted by Sterling (Member # 8096) on :
Honestly, something about her viscerally gives me the creeps. She seems to have a sense of humor about herself, though (if her SNL performance is any indication), and there have certainly been worse pop acts foisted upon us in the last decade.
Posted by Alcon (Member # 6645) on :
I really hate the glam acts that she claims to have used as inspiration. David Bowie in particular gives me visceral creeps the way your talking about Sterling.
If I don't watch the videos and just listen the music I can enjoy it as much as I enjoy most other modern dance pop. Which is, when I'm drunk and looking to dance and not much beyond that.
Posted by SoaPiNuReYe (Member # 9144) on :
Her albums do absolutely nothing for me. Most of the studio versions of her songs are nothing but a bunch of Madonna/Annie/Saint Etienne knockoffs. The stripped down live performances of them are much better in my opinion.
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
I hadn't seen anything of her except as a mad celebrity until this thread.
The first link, the stage show, I disagree without however thinks she's autotuned. Whether she's pre-recorded and messed with or not, she can clearly sing and sing in tune. She's no Britney Spears who can't sing very well at all.
The second link is someone who could really make a name for herself. Someone who can clearly sing. Someone with a small band, who could really make some music.
Unless it's an elaborate stunt, if this isn't an argument for the end of large record labels and overproduction, I don't know what is.
No wonder most modern music is boring. They take legitimate artists and turn them into people are essentially copies of people who are mostly talentless or a hodgepodge of unexciting talents (like Spears).
Posted by aeolusdallas (Member # 11455) on :
Lady Gaga > Brittney Spears Lady Gaga < Bjork
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Hmmm...I am gonna have to think about this for a while. She can sing, and I don't see anything wrong with dance music....I enjoy it when I am in the mood....but I don't see the need for all of the other stage persona crap.
I like her less now, after tracking about 8 videos and seeing who she has become. I think I'd rather meet the person she was in 2005 than the overblown persona she has become now.
Posted by Eaquae Legit (Member # 3063) on :
I really enjoyed that when she was in the Live Lounge. I heard it live, and the interview too. The cover was totally not what people were expecting. I'd never heard of her before, so when I heard the album version of Poker Face I was really surprised! In the interview, she basically said she enjoys dressing to shock and she picks all her own outfits. *shrug* If so, good for her.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by Teshi: The second link is someone who could really make a name for herself. Someone who can clearly sing. Someone with a small band, who could really make some music.
Unless it's an elaborate stunt, if this isn't an argument for the end of large record labels and overproduction, I don't know what is.
Amen. Of her Lady Gaga stuff, the only one I like at all is Just Dance. And I'm not crazy about it.
Her pre-Gaga stuff is great.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
All I know about her is that her manager is in my ward. And she bought them the most annoying to install infant seat known to man and a very nice stroller as their baby gift.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Ask me again in a year or two, and see if anyone remembers her, really. Maybe we will have an idea if she is worth listening to by then.
Posted by Alcon (Member # 6645) on :
Holy cow, that cover of her doing Coldplay's Vida la Vida in the Live Lounge is incredible. A Coldplay song sung by Lady Gaga in the style of Regina Spektor!
What's even more telling is when she covers Poker Face.
It's so completely different from the album version like Eaquae Legit said it was. If you ask me, it's rather better Posted by Tarrsk (Member # 332) on :
I like Lady Gaga's approach as an artist (reading her Wikipedia entry is something of a revelation). AchillesHeel, I don't know if this would make any difference for you, but Gaga's explicitly stated goal with her stage persona is a commentary on female sexuality and how women are perceived in modern culture. The music she made as Stefani Germanotta was different from the music she makes as Lady Gaga not because the record companies demanded it, but because it is a piece of performance art that she is putting on. "Elaborate stunt" is pretty close to an accurate description. Think of Lady Gaga, to some extent, as being similar to Stephen Colbert's television persona.
That being said, as interesting as I find Gaga's artistic ambitions and obvious intellect, her actual music leaves me cold. Dance pop just ain't my thing. Ridiculously catchy dance pop even less so, because not only do I have to deal with the usual head-throbbing I get from quarter note bass beats, but the melodies then irreversibly wrap themselves around my brain and squeeze.
Oy. Time to wash out the insidiously earwormy "Poker Face" with some shouty Dropkick Murphys.
Posted by Alcon (Member # 6645) on :
quote:Oy. Time to wash out the insidiously earwormy "Poker Face" with some shouty Dropkick Murphys.
Cheers, mate. May I offer some Gaelic Storm and Flogging Mollies to supplement?
To be fair, I actually kind of like the version of Poker Face she played in that video. It was... I dunno... not pop. I can't even really place it in a genre.
I'm just going to hope that she won't burn out. I'm just going to hope that she's just having her fun and making her point. That she'll eventually move beyond it to a point of making the truly beautiful music we now know she's capable of.
Posted by AchillesHeel (Member # 11736) on :
quote:Originally posted by katharina: Bad Romance is fantastic.
It may be some kind of artistic attack on my sensory organs, but Im still not entirely convinced that her portrayal women in our society would intentionally include lyrics "I wanna take a ride on your disco stick" and performing with a medium sized band-aid as panties. If it truely is all her, well then I await the day she abandons the character, especially after watching live performance video. She cant even reach Lady Gaga notes while dancing, let alone the Sefani notes she achieved on the piano bench.
[ November 29, 2009, 11:00 AM: Message edited by: AchillesHeel ]
Posted by Flaming Toad on a Stick (Member # 9302) on :
I'm still not too crazy about her CD recordings, but my opinion of her just shot up a little.
Pizza! Posted by BackwardBlackbird (Member # 12224) on :
quote:
quote: Oy. Time to wash out the insidiously earwormy "Poker Face" with some shouty Dropkick Murphys.
Cheers, mate. May I offer some Gaelic Storm and Flogging Mollies to supplement? [Big Grin]
Nice taste in music!
I think that Gaga is intending to shock, and that's really all. And she's certainly good at that. She can sing, she can dance... she's what pop stars look like these days. Adam Lambert seems on the road to being a male version of her (at least that's what he reminds me of). Personally, I'm not a huge fan, but it can be enjoyable in certain moods.
But to those who criticize her for being sexually provocative, I think that she's trying to say that women these days should be open about sex and sexuality. Whether or not you agree with it, she's trying to make a social comment and I admire her for at least having some kind of motivation behind her music, unlike so many 'artists' these days.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Meh.
Funny how her message about how women are portrayed in society involves her dancing half naked while making tons of money.
LOL
Posted by dabbler (Member # 6443) on :
I had a lot of free time this evening at work and watched numerous interviews on youtube. My favorite is by NoiseVox but it's over 40 minutes long and may not appeal to most people.
If you can't trust that what she is saying is what she believes, then you will probably never like her. I find her fascinating, well spoken, and confident. From what I've seen, she truly loves the clothes she wears. She needs no other excuse. I think she feels the same way about her music.
For anyone who doubts her singing capabilities, I suggest listening to the songs she performed on Ellen this week. Speechless is all on the piano with none of the pop stuff. Why think less of her because she enjoys creating both styles and continues to perform both styles?
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
I didn;t say I disliked her, just that I questions why she does what she does.
I think she has a good voice, and I LIKE pop music so that doesn't bother me. I do think her choice in clothes is atrocious though, stage presence/performance or not.
I just think she can do better, and I hope she does in the future. Pop performers have a fairly short half-life, at least most of the time. I hope we get to see more of her as long as she doesn't limit herself to shock value.
As for myself, It also has nothing to do with her bisexuality, in case anyone was wondering. I could care less who sleeps with who (or which sex) as long as I enjoy their music. Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
I had a bit of time as well, and I think I did the same thing as you did, sort of. I went though about 6 songs of hers, and a few interviews.
I missed the Speechless one somehow though, so thanks for bringing it up.
It was pretty good. I did like the interview as well.
Posted by dabbler (Member # 6443) on :
My response wasn't directed to you in particular Kwea. More that people tend not to trust what performers say. And I'm glad you liked the link.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
I didn't think it was, or I hoped not.
I had just been reading about the flap about Adam Lambert and his performance at the AMA, and wanted to clarify that point lest someone think I simply disapproved of her sexuality (as he claims some people have).
I like her a LOT more now that I researched a bit, that's for sure. And anyone who buys pizza for her fans wins points, to be sure. Not for the pizza, but for thinking so much of them rather than just accepting the perks of fame and then ignoring them.
Or even worse, bitching about their fans, as so many performers do.
Posted by Tarrsk (Member # 332) on :
quote:Originally posted by Kwea: I think she has a good voice, and I LIKE pop music so that doesn't bother me. I do think her choice in clothes is atrocious though, stage presence/performance or not.
Part of the point of her "look" is that she wears the outfits she does because she likes them, and that's all the justification she [i]should[i/] need. I don't happen to like that look any more than you, but you've got to admit that the motivation behind it is a helluva lot more "authentic" than the thirty million emo kids trying to outdo each other in the eye shadow department.
Lady Gaga is this year's equivalent of Freddie Mercury (or Madonna, if you prefer a non-LGBT example), that rarest of celebrity breeds: the intellectual pop star. One can admire her brains and ambition, even if one doesn't personally care for her aesthetic.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
I really like the aesthetic.
I think I approve because she writes her own music and clearly has a great voice. Plus, I love the songs. I all around approve of her as a performer, and it is only as a performer that I need to have any kind of opinion.
She has developed a public persona, and...I think that's very healthy. In fact, I think it is fantastic that she has a public face and keeps a private face for private. I like that in entertainers. I especially like that her public face is so outrageous - that she isn't faking sincerity and an innocent old me act for her public face, which is...less healthy.
Posted by Flaming Toad on a Stick (Member # 9302) on :
She strikes me as someone who has seen fame crush a lot of people, and is determined not to let that happen to herself.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
I'm like katharina in that a major cause for me to respect an artist is that they write and perform their own music. It's a sad indictment of our music scene when people are surprised that a singer sings their own music. To quote Lady Gaga "That's part of the gig isn't it?" I think her aesthetic tastes are not very similar to my own, but I too respect her reasoning behind it. She's making a statement that that is who she is and she doesn't want to hide it. She's does that as a means to encourage her fans to be themselves. That's an important lesson. Some of her music is a bit too sensual for me, but that's fine if somebody else enjoys it. She has a beautiful voice, clear talent, and some of her songs have messages I think are good. I admit I wish she'd stick to being a brunette, but more power to her if blond is doing it for her these days.
Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
They aren't God, and I am glad they aren't my neighbors. Posted by umberhulk (Member # 11788) on :
Some of her videos are unintentionally funny.
Posted by brojack17 (Member # 9189) on :
IMHO, she's weird and really "out there", but I really like her music.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Blackblade (and kat ), I agree. I don't think it should be surprising that a singer actually sings live in concert, and I wouldn't pay crap to see anyone who doesn't.
Posted by Jim-Me (Member # 6426) on :
quote:Originally posted by Tarrsk: Lady Gaga is this year's equivalent of Freddie Mercury... that rarest of celebrity breeds: the intellectual pop star.
I think the argument can be made that Brian May was the brains in Queen.
quote: May earned his PhD in Astrophysics in 2007 and is currently the Chancellor of Liverpool John Moores University.[1]
Posted by Raymond Arnold (Member # 11712) on :
So Lady Gaga has this new video out that is causing some stir. It is rather decidedly NSFW. Here is a link to both the video and some commentary about it (which I do not entirely agree with but I think is a fun read anyway).
I love Lady Gaga's music. I love this SONG (the lyrics are shallow, but the music is great). I hated this video, however.
Apparently, the song was just an excuse to make a disjointed, incoherent short, which tries too hard to be shocking. What the heck does any of it have to do with the song?
Sigh...I was expecting something better. I mean, the video for Bad Romance was fantastic.
Posted by dabbler (Member # 6443) on :
I don't like much Tarantino stuff so I don't really mind not really liking the video (in that they have a similar feel). It was okay. I hope she does things primarily because she feels it's beautiful/enjoyable/interesting (which is the reason she tends to give in interviews) and not primarily due to shock value (which is what it comes across as, sometimes).
Posted by LargeTuna (Member # 10512) on :
I pretty much avoid everything about her except for her music, but I love her music so much. Me and my friends sing all of her songs for no reason all of the time. I like how pretty much every song on both of her albums are enjoyable. I don't care about all of that asthetic stuff.
I just wish she would make a song as fun to sing a long to as Tik Tok by Ke$ha. I love quoting that song, it's even fun to do without singing the lyrics.
I just did finish going through an electro pop phase (right after my rap phase). Now I'm moving on to indie pop. (stuff like Suburban Kids With Biblical Names, Jens Lekman, Nouvelle Vague)
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
Love the gratuitous product placements.
Posted by AchillesHeel (Member # 11736) on :
So... am I supposed to respect her now? you know as an artist... and not for the soft-core nudity that may or may not play on MTV at night.
Posted by Raymond Arnold (Member # 11712) on :
Did anyone actually read the review I linked?
Posted by AchillesHeel (Member # 11736) on :
I read a bit here and there, after the review started with MJ I decided to skim. Humorous writing, the consternation towards the sanwiches was great and the vid definitly raises the question of is it still sexist/rascist if the stars are female and minorities themselves?
Posted by dabbler (Member # 6443) on :
Raymond: thanks I skipped over it the first time but read it this time. It has the funny. Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
That video was possibly the most stupid thing I have ever seen. I have lost what little respect I had for either of them.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
For a better commentary, try The Atlantic.
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
I'm hoping that that piece in the Atlantic is satire.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Horrible. Overblown, pretentious, and exploitive. Huge pile of crap.
Posted by Raymond Arnold (Member # 11712) on :
Honestly I don't think so. I don't particularly LIKE it, and what I first watched it I wasn't sure what to think, but having read several takes on it I honestly think there's some worthwhile stuff there. (There's also some less than worthwhile stuff in there, and I don't think it's the greatest video ever, but dismissing it as pretentious crap seems to be missing the point).
First of all, I did not find any of the "exploitive" stuff particularly sexy. I'm sure there are people out there who are turned on by it, but in general I think it was crafted on purpose to be deliberately weird, in a way that lets it be a commentary on exploitation rather than pure exploitation on its own. (While it's not very clever about it, the video is a pretty blatant anti-misogyny piece. And I think this IS a big deal, all by itself. Gaga's stated that her goals are to stretch the definition of what a pop video can be, and the vast majority of pop videos treat women like objects. "Telephone" does that... but a) in a way that I think makes most people rather uncomfortable instead of turned on, and b) the "objects" turn around and kill a bunch of people, which is a pretty distinct message from the passive sexy girls we see in most videos, c) the relationships between the women, while cartoonish, feel more like they are actually about the women as opposed to about putting on a show for men.
Could they have done it without being so deliberately shocking? Yeah, but then most people wouldn't have heard about it.
Also, from what I can gather, Gaga being nude isn't just a matter of "hey look at me I'm naked," but it's kind of giving a "screw you" to the people spreading the rumors about her being a transexual.
Posted by AchillesHeel (Member # 11736) on :
"You wanna insult me by making sexist and erroneous comments about my body, my womanhood that I am proud of? Well I wont have it, I am sick of tired of women just being physical scenery in videos and bowing to the wants of a mysogynistic society. So in short here is my protest, look at my vagina."
Correct me if I am wrong, but that is your argument Ray from a first person is it not?
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
The video was meh, but I don't understand how some people are actively repulsed by it. She's doing for a lot of gen x'ers what rock and roll infamously did to parents decades before -- marked the end of their ability to understand why 'kids these days' watch/listen to 'that stuff.'
Posted by Raymond Arnold (Member # 11712) on :
quote:Correct me if I am wrong, but that is your argument Ray from a first person is it not?
Yeah that's pretty much it. But I don't think it's as ridiculous as that makes it sound - as I noted, an important part of the video is most of the stuff that looks sexy and exploitive is constructed in a way that also makes you really uncomfortable, so that it's not really the same thing as a video that just throws around a bunch of naked women for gratuitous eye candy.
You might say the video is not as successful at this as I am claiming it is, and that a lot of it ends up being more hypocritical than poignant. And I might agree with that. But I don't think it's accurate to say that the video is nothing but meaningless garbage.
quote:The video was meh, but I don't understand how some people are actively repulsed by it. She's doing for a lot of gen x'ers what rock and roll infamously did to parents decades before -- marked the end of their ability to understand why 'kids these days' watch/listen to 'that stuff.'
Hmm. Interesting. I reminded of the Battlestar Galactica motto - "All of this has happened before and will happen again."
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Just because I thought it sucked doesn't mean I didn't get it. I did. I just think she is all I said, and more. She's a drama queen, and I think I have had enough of her already.
That video was one of the worst I have ever seen, and just because it was trying to be preachy doesn't make it good, or worthwhile, of even fun to watch. I don't care is she wanted it to be fun or not, I just seriously disliked it, and now pretty much her as well.
Although I thought the comment while she was naked was the funniest part of it all.
Posted by Mucus (Member # 9735) on :
quote:Originally posted by Raymond Arnold:
quote:The video was meh, but I don't understand how some people are actively repulsed by it. She's doing for a lot of gen x'ers what rock and roll infamously did to parents decades before -- marked the end of their ability to understand why 'kids these days' watch/listen to 'that stuff.'
Hmm. Interesting. I reminded of the Battlestar Galactica motto - "All of this has happened before and will happen again."
Yep. Happens in other places too.
For example:
quote:* Anita Mui The Hongkong diva's 80s hit song, Bad Girl, was banned in Guangzhou.
She had infuriated the Chinese authorities when she chose to sing the song on the last day of her concert there in 1995.
* Teresa Teng TERESA Teng's ballads were labelled "spiritual pollution" and banned in China in the early 80s.
Of course, both ended up being huge mainstream pan-Asian stars but especially in the former case, were labelled as being too sexually provocative earlier.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
quote:That video was one of the worst I have ever seen
y'all ain't trying very hard. Any given day, tv's regular music video lineup will show off at least a hundred music videos that are way worse than Telephone. No jokes.
I mean, go watch lil jon's Get Low on youtube. Beginning to end. you're watching a fantastically well-known video for an iconic hit that's above the, uh, music video's 'industry standard,' and I dare you to tell me it's better than Telephone.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
quote:Originally posted by Raymond Arnold: Hmm. Interesting. I reminded of the Battlestar Galactica motto - "All of this has happened before and will happen again."
yeah I kind of imagine in, like, 30 years or so, I'll see a music video my kid is enjoying and it'll sound like a Merzbow album cut to nonstop pictures of thrusting genitals, and I'll be all like "I absolutely cannot understand why you listen to this stuff."
Then, POW, I get deported. welcome to oldville. here's your goiter.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Not in my opinion. Mind you, there are a lot of bad ones out there, but most of them don;t seem to think they are better than the others.
One of the worst I have ever seen. Plain and simple.
Posted by Da_Goat (Member # 5529) on :
The videos of her as "Stefani Germanotta" were very good. It saddened me to realize that she and Lady Gaga were the same person. And it really breaks my heart that she apparently found more success as Lady Gaga.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by Kwea: Not in my opinion. Mind you, there are a lot of bad ones out there, but most of them don;t seem to think they are better than the others.
So this is based in large part upon ... the pretension you infer to the end product itself. Not uncommon, sure, buuuuut.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
In part, but not in large part. I'd say. I never said that a lot of video's were good, just that this was worse than most of the ones I have seen.
Crap is crap, but calling it art doesn't make it smell any better IMO.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
Calling it crap doesn't make it bad. You're wrong about the video and her work.
Posted by MrSquicky (Member # 1802) on :
quote:And it really breaks my heart that she apparently found more success as Lady Gaga.
As Lady Gaga, she's unique. There's hundreds of girls with good voices playing the piano out there. How's Michelle Branch's career doing? A tier up, you've got Regina Spektor. Another tier, you've got Tori Amos.
And these are the really successful ones. There are so many others trying to make it in this mold. My favorite is Terra Naomi. You should totally check her out if you haven't already.
Whereas, Lady Gaga is her own category, not necessarily with her music, but with the whole package.
Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
Just saw that clip, aspectre. The girls in the audience look entirely unimpressed. Well, except for one of them.
--j_k
Posted by Jake (Member # 206) on :
Kirk, I know! It's funny--every article I've read or heard about that clip describes the audience as being stunned by his performance, but with the exception of the one person listening with rapt attention, everybody else looks bored out of their skulls.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
Not just bored: actively hostile. There's this one girl sitting behind him who looks like she wants to pry out his brain with her eyeballs. Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
quote:Originally posted by katharina: Calling it crap doesn't make it bad. You're wrong about the video and her work.
No, I'm not. It is a matter of taste, and I did say IMO.
What's next, a clown suit with holes cut for her breasts to stick out?
I enjoy some of her music, and she has a good voice, but I just don't understand the appeal of the rest of it. It seems forced, fake, and trite to me.
Posted by James Tiberius Kirk (Member # 2832) on :
quote:Originally posted by TomDavidson: Not just bored: actively hostile. There's this one girl sitting behind him who looks like she wants to pry out his brain with her eyeballs.
OK, so I found higher-quality another video with more adoring fans. Not sure if this is a different camera, or the first one was just cropped:
That kid rocks. I loved his Ellen appearance. Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
There's a (slightly) older girl in the audience who looks stunned -- as if shocked that something so small and cute can be worthy of interest -- and, well, intrigued by his performance. It reminds me of that moment in Goonies where our hero kisses his brother's girlfriend in the dark and totally rocks her world -- and she finds out a little bit later. The facial expression is exactly the same.
Posted by LargeTuna (Member # 10512) on :
As insane and nonsensical her persona is, she's a wonderful musician and song writer, and seriousy, I think it would be better if people separated the two when judging her.
Just listening to the song Monster is amazing no matter how many times I tune it up. As a lover of Pop music I can appreciate her work just as much as I love Bowie or MJ.
It's not like she's Ke$ha or someone who's music is one dimensional and sad.
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
Now I have Poker Face stuck in my head... but with Cartman singing. >_<
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
quote: It's not like she's Ke$ha or someone who's music is one dimensional and sad.
Her music isn't one-dimensional, but her lyrics certainly are. All I've taken away from her writing is the fact that she's shallow and materialistic, and happy about that.
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
What surprises me is how much more I like the 6th grader's version of that song than the Gaga version. It's by like a factor of 5.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
quote:Originally posted by twinky: Now I have Poker Face stuck in my head... but with Cartman singing. >_<
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